JRR Tolkien was a white nationalist

I don't mean he was a Nazi, in fact he fought against the Germans during WWI, but he was extremely pro-white, pro-English, and pro-western.

Q: Why were their no POC in LOTR?
A: There were, they just worked for Mordor.

When characters in the Middle Earth talk about "the west" they mean almost the exact same thing an early 20th century European meant.

The elves, which were held up as examples of physical perfection have light skin (in some cases literally white) and Nordic features (but no facial hair). Basically the picture of what 20th century eugenicists were trying to achieve.

I could go on much longer but most people won't read it. If anyone here hasn't read Tolkien, you should.

Both sides in WWI and WWII were all nationalists, and were not fighting to have their countries overrun by genetic outsiders and violent cultural incompatibles.

>no poc
tolkein referred to dwarfs as being like Jews, who are poc.

Jews are white you dumb nip

go shag some sheep you dumb kiwi

Jews aren't white....

Pro-tip anyone who has served in the military are Nationalist by default, and if not they should be

>The elves, which were held up as examples of physical perfection have light skin (in some cases literally white) and Nordic features (but no facial hair). Basically the picture of what 20th century eugenicists were trying to achieve.

Stop this meme. Elves were just as flawed as Men. They were wrathful, vengeful, petty, arrogant, jealous, and greedy. They are a tragic literary device, because unlike men, they lack the ability to transcend them baser qualities by realizing meaning and purpose in a finite life of sacrifice and bravery like Men can. Elves are a foil to show the the Gift of Death is so important.

They're not pre-falled Man, or perfected man, or angles, or any of that bullshit implied by the movies.

But yes, Tolkien was an Anglo-Saxon culturalist, took the nationhood of his people for granted.

Where did he refer to them as being like Jews?

Its always the fucking leaf with the dumbest comment of the thread

there's more to being white then looking white, you know. Then again, if you understood that, you wouldn't be fucking sheep.

I was talking strictly about their physical appearance.

He has other groups that were supposed to be the descendants of actual human Europeans, back when he intended for ME to be an ancient mythical Europe (Rohan being the ancestors of the English, for example).

I agree Japanbro, but what about answering my question? Did Tolkien actually say this or are you implying this because of how dwarves were greedy and liked to stockpile gold?

>Q: Why were there no POC in LOTR

If you read the book, Gondorians are depicted as somewhat swarthy - the ones working outside Minas Tirith specifically.

The Gondorians of Numenorian descent look more fair. They're described as noble looking. Denethor, for example, looked about as wizard-like as Gandalf the White. He had strong Numenorian blood. Faramir too.

He was philo-semitic and very anti-Nazi.

I respect him greatly. though Sup Forumsestine will probably hate him now.

>kiwi kike detected

Either that or you're astonished ignorant; I'd prefer the former over the latter

What can one expect from a 3rd-world shithole anyway?

Not Gondorians in general, but if I recall there was a guy from Southern Gondor (Pellenor?) described like that. The Gondorians have darker hair, but so did the pure Numenorians. Anyways once you go south of Gondor you start getting into Harad territory, which are essentially that world's analog of MENA.

He was a White racialist, but he was okay with Jews living in Europe. Had no tolerance for gypsy subhumans though

There's no rule that says in order to be pro-European you have to be anti-Jewish.

Tolkien was also a Christian, so there are subtle Biblical themes and analogies in his books.

> He fought against Germans during WWI

What does this have to do with being a Nazi?

Agreed, and I consider that to be the reasonable view. As long as Jewish people aren't leftists I don't see any reason to hate them.

I know that, but most of the kids here don't.

Nothing. The point of my statement was to say that nazism isn't requisite for being a white nationalist. He probably would have also fought them in WWII had he not been to old for it.

I think WWI and WWII were mistakes, but I can understand how the high-test young patriots of the day would have been eager to sign up. Had they known what would happen in the late 20th century both sides would have thrown down their weapons and worked together to wipe out communism and permanently colonize the 3rd world.

jews are white when it suits them and ethnic minorities when it suits them

then Orcs who were once elves must be SJW commies

no he wasn't he was just a trad before all this liberal bullshit

1, whites aren't that great
2. humans can do better than 'whiteness'
3. sperm donation eugenics can breed a new super-intelligent race. And I'd prefer it have darker skin, because skin cancer sucks.

He was a traditional catholic that would want you degenerates to begome

>humans can do better than "whiteness"
100% false

I don’t think that Jews have the natural sin like many idiots do, I just KNOW that due to inbreeding and being so closely related many behave in a manner dissimilar to ours. I’ve met noble Jews, but mostly shitty hysteroid mama boy rats. What can I say? They are not European and have to go to Israel. I don’t make any special case for Jewry - they are simply not native to those lands of ours

Generational welfare users.

LOTR is red pilled, only black people are Orcs and well, they all get what they deserve

>implying Jews are white
Shut the fuck up and lurk moar.

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OK, there are more versions of White Nationalism than German National Socialism. You do realize that your country is the only Slavic nation that Hitler considered to be White? He just arbitrarily declassified half of the European race as being white.

>There's no rule that says in order to be pro-European you have to be anti-Jewish.
Yes there is.

> My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) – or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate realm of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could get back to personal names, it would do a lot of good. Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people. If people were in the habit of referring to ‘King George’s council, Winston and his gang’, it would go a long way to clearing thought, and reducing the frightful landslide into Theyocracy. Anyway the proper study of Man is anything but Man; and the most improper job of any man, even saints (who at any rate were at least unwilling to take it on), is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity.

Even if he liked white people this is the only part that matters when deciding what ought to be done.

only a handful of people are responsible for these scientific advancements. Most whites are dumb. We can do a lot better. Why be satisfied with mediocrity? what if everyone was a genius? it is doable.

Agreed they are not native to Europe. They are more closely related to Arabs, and we are more closely related to Iranians and even Indians.

That being said, I think the most immediate threat to Europe is the Muslim and African incursions, and those people all need to go back. Also the Turks need to be expelled from Constantinople.

No, Hitler doesn't get to make all the rules.

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Also thanks for those sweet (you)s

Even by the standards of the time Tolkien was very religious. He loved the Jew like evangelical Christians in America love Israel.

multiculturalism was a mistake, what else is new?

No, but jews are genetically antithetical to European existence. They rapacious, tribal and parasitic by nature. What we are experiencing now is the result of not cutting out the tumor. They ALL have to be deported or they will destroy you.

It's very easy to tell you are Muslim... No white man has this much animosity towards the Jew.

Yeah but he was like every stupid Englishmen back in the day brainwashed by propaganda about England and thought it could do no wrong, Jews were a-okay and Hitler was a mad power hungry lunatic who wanted to destroy Britain and enslave them.

Most people of all races are dumb, but averages and means differ between races, as does the frequency of geniuses.

It sounds like you are advocating for an Ayn Rand type society as advocated in "Atlas Shrugged." I would have no problem with living in a society like that but it's unrealistic to expect that ever to happen. Some times the old ways are the best ways because they have the greatest potential for longevity and stability, and I would much prefer to return to them rather than continue these haphazard experiments which have only made my life worse.

Superior genetic collectives breed genetically superior individuals with higher frequency. No mongrels of foreigners should be living with us based on aesthetic levels alone
>and we are more closely related to Iranians and even Indians.
Bleached niggers first, bleached abbos second. Don’t be a kanglologist.
>That being said, I think the most immediate threat to Europe is the Muslim and African incursions
Personably I think it’s all the people below orange line trying to get up and those outside of blue, trying to get into blue

We did for the last 2000 years.

t. Never been to Poland, Russia, Ukraine, rural Germany, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia the post

this

The stupid leftist argument BUT LOOK AT THIS ONE SMART BLACK GUY is so retarded. We should sacrifice and struggle with millions of inferior people to get just that one rare case of a negro who is on par with an average white. Complete madness

t. Achmeds

Comintern/the left is antithetical to European existence. No one can help what race they are born into. I do have (some) racist tendencies myself (typically toward Mestizos), but if I find out that someone is not a leftist and shares my values and politics then I see no reason to continue hating them because of an accident of their race. Generalizations are fine as a protective measure, but they're not absolutes.

There are stereotypes about Jews, and also stereotypes about Canadians. Not all Jews are anti-white communists, and not all Canadians are cucks.

He's a natsoc. Most natsocs are atheists, and since they don't believe in God or Satan they essentially use the Jews to fill the role of Satan in their worldview.

Gandalf fighting as the gate was breached in the city was a direct parallel to the final emperor of the Byzantine empire casting off his regalia to fight in the streets at the breach

Tolkien was a neo-reactionary before it was cool. LOTR is basically Good vs evil and at the end it shits on the industrial revolution

There is difference between Arabs and Jews? Not racially and phenotypically for sure. We should not have Meds out of their contamination zones, let alone Jews

Except most of Europeans for all of recorded history. Also I can tell you're a kike because you're using the "if you hate jews you must be a muslim" dialectic.

Also you're clearly new to this board.

It's easy to look back with what we know today and call them dumb, but people back then didn't have all the historical precedent or experience that we do to understand how deeply a government could portray the people. Remember, the main forms of tyranny they learned about were things like the Mongol Empire, Feudalism, and chattel slavery. They were at the turning point in history and didn't have any way of anticipating what could happen.

nobody gives a shit
nationalism and racialism is something not a single traditionalist/reactionary subscribes to
also kinda what this guy says:

I don't hate anyone. It isn't anyone's choice that they're born into a race, but they will still display the attributes that is in their DNA. I don't have to hate jews to realize they will do what they always do. I also don't want to cause jews any amount of suffering, but they have to be deported.

You sound like the prototypical boomer conservative. You have to become racially aware or you're only going to be chasing symptoms of the problem.

K, Achmed, whatever you say!

notice how you didn't deny!

Great argument. My family is from Fruili faggot, I don't even tan.

fuck off larper incel. Race, tradition and reaction are eternal, interconnected and interchangeable by itself

I remember the common folk of Gondor - at least the ones working the fields of Pelennor - are described as more Southern looking. Visibly different from the old Numenorians. Makes sense since guys like Faramir and Denethor are described as looking distinct. Not to mention Dol Amroth, which retains much more of the old blood and looks notably different as a result.

T.never read the books in his life.

If you knew anything about Tolkien, he was aware of his subconscious racism (or what only he perceived as racism) within his works. As a result he actively worked against it way before he even completed lord of the rings, as he corresponded to a friend in one of his mails. Now fuck off before you embarrass yourself any further.

>fuck off larper incel. Race, tradition and reaction are eternal, interconnected and interchangeable by itself
>t. larping retard who has no idea of life outside of his moscow apartment
don't you have navalny's cock to suck?

Slavic hippies are just yarn wearing wood elves.

So you hate Southern Europeans and you hate Germanics?

I just hate leftists. Actually the difference between a Russian and German is miniscule to the point of irrelevance compared with the difference between any sort of European and an African or Muslim.

traditionalism, reactionism are enemies of nationalism and racialism

ideas of nation and race are inherently modernist

traditionalism/reactionism believe in cultures, in local tradition
ideas of nation and race are modernist inventions intended to replace them

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>I don't mean he was a Nazi, in fact he fought against the Germans during WWI


the NSDAP didnt even exist during ww1 you moron. What was this sentece supposed to mean?

Oh wow
You deluded kike shitskin.

Wow you're so cool! i bet you are a laugh at parties.

I don’t care about those. I can see the aesthetic genius and soul in quest for beauty in Tolkien’s works. Aesthetically, genetically and culturally Southern Europeans are something “else”.
Incel, please. Just because you happen to live in a fake nation not made of Kajkavian or whatever race exclusively, doesn’t mean that the idea of Nation is modern

Truth that is you are a mongrelized pleb who believes himself to be an expert in things his monkey brain is too stupid to comrehend
Not hippies. Militant ethnotribalists

well.. they are obsessed with gold

I'm 36.

I am racially aware but I'm also pragmatic. Not all people of other races are enemies, and not all white people are friends.

I'd like to see Europe be completely white, or at least maintain itself as 90+%. The US and Canada aren't as important because they aren't the original white homeland. That being said, I still don't want to be overrun with Mexicans or Muslims. But I'm not bothered by Jews or Christian MENA being in my country provided they aren't leftists.

Only because he was naive and didn't recognize the true threat. Jews are actually the Nazgul.

But if he envisioned the Nazgul, that must mean he knew about the Jews.

I'm 36.

I am racially aware but I'm also pragmatic. Not all people of other races are enemies, and not all white people are friends.

I'd like to see Europe be completely white, or at least maintain itself as 90+%. The US and Canada aren't as important because they aren't the original white homeland. That being said, I still don't want to be overrun with Mexicans or Muslims. But I'm not bothered by Jews or Christian MENA being in my country provided they aren't leftists.'

>accidentally replied to myself

>But I'm not bothered by Jews or Christian MENA being in my country

fucking grow up dumbass

A kraut is a kraut is a kraut, toilet cleaner.
Want to hear something really mind blowing? Dwarves = Jews

>not bothered by Jews
>bothered by Muslims

A good Muslim is better than the best jew.

>love Tolkein and his books
>too dumb to understand them
I admire him so much. He was so much more intelligent than me it's astounding.

>He's a natsoc. Most natsocs are atheists, and since they don't believe in God or Satan they essentially use the Jews to fill the role of Satan in their worldview.

Not true, Tolkien advised Hitler and Nazi Germany about the Jews

I don't care if you don't want to consider me part of your particular movement. You don't get to speak for everyone.

The Russian guy is right

His house is a mill outside Birmingham,
once it looked like the Shire, now its a dead ringer for Mordor (Most of Birmingham, really)

He wasn't just pointing out that niggers have no part to share in our story, but he equally disliked regular wage cucks, flooding the city and destroying the community
(imagine back when even city people knew their neighbours, this was Brummystan until the 1960's muslim dream)

Of course they need to be deported, just like all other non whites. This however, is not out of any hatred for Jews in particular, in fact, I see no reason why the white ethnostates and the Jewish ethnostate(s) couldn't live in harmony with one another, peaceful trade relations/alliance and whatnot.

Blessed Ukraine gets it. Morgoth's devices worked best when the people of Beleriand and Middle Earth coveted treasures through their own greed. LOTR's main villain isn't Sauron or the orcs. Each of these resulted from the malice of desire. Desire to be like Iluvatar, desire for treasures and wonders to dress themselves in so that they can pretend to be greater than they are... Yet all that treasures such as the Silmarils ever offer is temporary.

tolkien quotes:
>"I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White."
>"Anyway, I have in this War a burning private grudge—which would probably make me a better soldier at 49 than I was at 22: against that ruddy little ignoramus Adolf Hitler (for the odd thing about demonic inspiration and impetus is that it in no way enhances the purely intellectual stature: it chiefly affects the mere will). Ruining, perverting, misapplying, and making for ever accursed, that noble northern spirit, a supreme contribution to Europe, which I have ever loved, and tried to present in its true light."

none old school traditionalists believed in race or suported nationalism

so you can have sickle cell then

>implying he actually meant that literally
pagan dog whistles, desu

russian guy is a larping 15 yearold idiot
you're a nationalist/racialist
im a reactionary/traditionalist

theres a HUGE difference

You are either making that up or repeating something that someone else made up.

Either way, fake news.

The problem with that is that jews have been shown to hide underneath ideologies again and again to subvert a nation. You're right in that not every jew is going to be destructive, but if you want to be %100 sure you aren't subverted you have to deport %100 of them. It seems harsh but to me even the slightest chance society succumbs to this kind of degeneracy again has to be taken care of.

pls stop killing me with these sick arguments you've already won.

>don't mean he was a Nazi, in fact he fought against the Germans during WWI
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t. lives in delusional blog NRx larp web segment that is spat on and laughed on by people he tries to emulate
You are just a BYDLO that learned how to use google. That comes from someone who has ancestral records exceeding the age of most modern nations
Jews, Armenians, Greeks, Lebs are just those kinds of “people” you better to stay off away from