I need a German to explain to me what is going on over there right now. Our system of government over here is pretty straight forward. We have elections at set intervals, two parties (basically), and it's just.... simple. Yours seems rather complicated.
So what's the deal with all the news lately? Why is Merkel in a panic? I don't get it. What changed?
What needs to happen in order to expel the immigrants and usher in a 4th reich?
Please explain to this American how your system functions.
simplefied a coalition, an alliance of multiple parties, needs at least 50% of the parliament so they can form the goverment and elect the chancellor.
However this time the formation of such a coalition failed since FDP (liberals) SPD (social democrats) have decided not to govern with Merkels Union party and the union party itself does not want to form a coalition with the Linke (communists) and AfD (nationalists)
>Linke (communists)
Why are they even allowed to exist? Commies are banned in most European countries today, even Russia.
So nobody has 50%?
So does that mean the chancellor is chosen in some other way? Or that there is no chancellor? Or that Merkel is chancellor until the tie is broken?
Why not let the people elect a chancellor?
theyre banned only in name potatobro
they exist everywhere to varying degrees of popularity, they often just wont call themselves communists
I dont know really.
Its not just "a" communist party, its THE communist party. They ruled in eastern germany and basicly started the january uprising back in the day
Säge and Hide amerimutt threads about germoney.
>Why not let the people elect a chancellor?
this is a good question
>So does that mean the chancellor is chosen in some other way? Or that there is no chancellor? Or that Merkel is chancellor until the tie is broken?
Yes and no.
After two elections for chancellor failed it will be enough to have votes to become chancellor, however this chancellor will not have any real power.
Basicly Merkel would be a chancellor but she couldn't rule anything
>Why not let the people elect a chancellor?
Jews
>*to have the most votes
>FDP (liberals)
that's a false friend fellow kraut.
We use liberal in another way as the mutts use the word liberal.
FDP is better described as (pseudo-)libertarian
bullshit "Die Linke" is not really communists but they have former commies in their ranks and lean strong in this direction but they are not real commies.
So she will be an almost ceremonial figure? Like the queen of England or the vice president of the USA? Everyone knows them but no real power?
Nice... but...
1. Does this help Germany? Can you guys start expelling the foreign invaders if Merkel has no power?
2. If Merkel weren't chancellor who would be? Any good candidates to take her place?
3. Does any if this actually matter or is Germany beyond hope?
ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH
at this point germany could only expell the foreign invaders if poland or another country with real balls would take over and be the new foreign invaders.
>potato
This stupid meme has to die. Belarus is bulbash, not us.
>they are not real commies
How likely is a black/blue/yellow coalition if Merkel chokes on a migrant dick and dies?
I bet you autists think that's her natural hair color
>1. Does this help Germany? Can you guys start expelling the foreign invaders if Merkel has no power?
No. But the opposition has the power to kill every new law in parliemanet if they want to which might be favorable. But mainly it means more stalling.
2. If Merkel weren't chancellor who would be? Any good candidates to take her place?
None at all. Schulz from the SPD (Left leaning workers party, formerly political middle) is a trainwreck and no other party has a real chance of putting up a chancelor. Usually the biggest party in the coalition gets the chancelor spot. Merkel grabs on to the chancelor spot as it might seem for now.
3. Does any if this actually matter or is Germany beyond hope?
Maybe, maybe not. If it comes to new votes, the AFD might get more percent but it is also possible that they will get less. But i think it is a good sign that Linder(FDP, the pseudo libertarians) blocked the colaition because of free travel for refugee families to Germany, which ofc the greens wanted.
So are the German people totally blind to this immigration problem?
I mean everyone knows about the rapes and violence right? Probably can't walk down the streets of Berlin anymore without seeing it all over the place.
Whats up? Did they fuck your minds up in school over there? Tell you germans are evil?
>So nobody has 50%?
Yup, that's the problem we're having right now. Since we have aronud 5ish major parties coalitions need to be formed to reach the 50% majority. No coalition, no government.
>So does that mean the chancellor is chosen in some other way?
Unlike in America where you vote directly for your president, in Germany the people just vote for parties. The parties themselves decide who their leader is gonna be. The title of chancellor goes to the leader of the largest party within the ruling coalition.
>Why not let the people elect a chancellor?
J**s
Yeah because we're all faggot hair stylists who give a shit about hair color.
>So are the German people totally blind to this immigration problem?
yes
>I mean everyone knows about the rapes and violence right?
no
Did they fuck your minds up in school over there?
yes
More and more Germans start to think that it is a bad idea to have a lot of muslims and blacks in the country. That has changed a LOT since 2015. But also there are still a lot of people who think we are basically responsible for every single hungry child on this planet and want to help everyone. When you point out, that its better and cheaper to help them in their home countries they usually don't answer. It's this guilt trip that makes them totally blind to every reasonable thinking when it comes to real world problems.
But every rape, murder and mass fight is one more drop in the barrel.
And Berlin is still not that bad as i imagine Detroit or Paris, cities with a lot of blacks. Yes, Berlin has no actuall state structures anymore and in some districts you cannot read the shop signs anymore since they are in turkish but the number of blacks is not that high. It's mostly the arab mafia gangs and low level criminals that fuck the city up. If nothing changes soon though it will inevitably go down hill since the current local government is doing absolutly NOTHING. And i mean this literally. They basically surrendered to drug dealers completly.
And when it comes to education in school i don't really have a comparison. But yes, there is of course a mandatory history class on the third reich and how awfull it was. But its not as much indoctrination as that the normal teacher is a normie who thinks that patriotism is bad and is in general pretty leftwing. However i have never felt that the school is indoctrinating its pupils as much as i have feelt the pressure from other pupils. Its way more common, that nobody actually has any vagly conservative or libertarian positions in the room and there will always be a wight knight that screams you down in the classroom, if you do. It was hardly the teachers.
>Shilling for the two party system
>I need a German to explain to me what is going on over there right now. Our system of government over here is pretty straight forward. We have elections at set intervals, two parties (basically), and it's just.... simple. Yours seems rather complicated.
>So what's the deal with all the news lately? Why is Merkel in a panic? I don't get it. What changed?
The government can only function (pass laws, etc.) if it has more than 50% of parliament. Since we have more than two parties, usually no single party gets more than 50% of votes, which means they have to form a coalition with another party to form a government. Merkels party had the most votes, but now she has trouble finding other parties to form a coalition. (SPD, Linke and AFD won't work with her, so her only option to get a majority of parliament would be to have both the FDP and Greens in her coalition and those won't work with each other.)
>What needs to happen in order to expel the immigrants and usher in a 4th reich?
Instability. The average German loves stability and won't do anything to risk it. After stability is gone, radical change will happen quickly.
Would the nationalists and liberals be able to form a coalition?
>commies banned in Russia
Nope. In fact, they are the second most popular party here.
>So are the German people totally blind to this immigration problem?
>yes
Isn't one of the main reasons why the AFD for existing in the first place is because of the immigration problem it seems like at least a decent amount Germans realize this problem.
> Not realizing that most countries have 2 parties that can legitimately become the ruling party
> Not realizing that both parties in the US have caucuses
>Not realizing that the US primaries are a lot more "open" then other countries.
is 13% decent enough an amount?
you have to keep in mind that Germany never had a right-wing party in it's post-WWII parliament (except for Merkel's center-right party, which under her became center/center-left).
having an actual right-wing party in our national parliament is a huge change already, no matter how many seats they got.
Right now, every party said they will not cooperate with the AfD. They just can't, they have attacked the AfD as a nazi party, and pretty much every party had one or more politician at one time calling the AfD unironically "nazis". It's impossible to do this and then open up for coalition talk that would have the AfD participate in government.
This probably also won't change for the new elections, if they happen, but in the coming years, depending on how the AfD presents itself and how desperate the other parties get, especially the center/right parties like CDU and FDP might tone down their rhetoric to keep a coalition with the AfD open. Which however would open them up for attacks from the left wing parties, as they surely will continue to paint the AfD as nazi party.
Well, technically, the SED was a socialist party, at least in name, not communist.
Basic rundown:
People vote parties, parties have runner up candidates to go for chancellor if they get the biggest chunk of votes. Now if the party has 50%. This is done for "practicability" - that is: To make sure bills are passed in the parliament.
And when 2 or more parties want to form a coalition, they have to negotiate on a shitton of points. And in this case, the negotiations failed, because one party (the FDP) didn't want to sell out again (for history purposes: They were in the government with Merkel 7 years ago and failed horribly because they sold out their own ideals and so on, leading to them not even being re-elected into the parliament in the last legislature period, but were voted into it now, again).
I hope that helped.
>What needs to happen in order to expel the immigrants and usher in a 4th reich?
It will not happen anything. Germany is done. Today a self proclaimed got a page online. Where they brag about how they followed the most known AFD politician with Stasi Methods. And today they reacted concrete blocks in the neighbor estate, as a sign of the memorial for the holocaust in germany. Said AFD politician Höcke statet in a speech he did a while ago it would be a "monument of shame". Media run the story and made his words into he said it was a shameful monument. The artists say: "If Höcke won't come to the monument he comes to him as a reminder.
Under the Hashtag #Hoecke all kind of leftist clebrating this kind of "art". The federal state of thuringia where Höcke is AFD part of the parliament has a left government with coalition of SPD (socialist) and DieLinke (former PDS what is pretty much ex SED of the former German Democratic Republic)
The month long stalking of the family or that the artist has violated property rights of neighbor. By the looks of it nobody is condemning such actions. All established media is left leaning at the best and they enjoy it behind the curtain.
Here a newsstory about it (Titel: Höcke is getting his own monument of shame): t-online.de
AFD thuringia made a statment: twitter.com
As you see alone by this story and what is going on in the german media or in the social media. Germany is a shithole. And on the nation level the gouvernment with Merkel, who won't let go, is every day more in broken fragments.
As of now we are getting a messy Weimar-Style period of politics.
She can't be german since she isn't ugly.
It's better then nothing and caused Merkel to lose a lot of votes. Didn't FDP gain a lot of votes as well. I would imagine that the people who voted for FDP voted for Merkel in the last election and did not vote AFD because they thought they were literal NAZIS or just to economically left wing.
Also wasn't Merkel forced to come out against the current "refuge" policies.(I wouldn't actually trust her word on this though)
Sage and hide Krauts still be butthurt from the last two wars.
>Why is Merkel in a panic?
She seems to be calm as always. Maybe because now she can stay in office forever.
>Commies are banned in most European countries today
The European parliament is a luke warm form of communism; e.g. everyone can continually pay 'just a little extra' for the migrants.
>even Russia.
People keep saying Russia is behind so much of what's going on in Europe but I honestly think the KGB is probably kekking it up watching Europe essentially repeat the same mistake the Soviet Union made.
>4th reich?
Where do I send my CV?
>But yes, there is of course a mandatory history class on the third reich and how awfull it was.
If so, it should also be mandatory for them to listen to Mein Kampf as a primary source behind the reasoning of the Third Reich. It's quite ironic listening to what Hitler said then, and watching what is happening now.
>it caused Merkel to lose a lot of votes
not only Merkel, but also Schulz' party. both got btfo at an unprecedented level in this election.
>the people who voted for FDP voted for Merkel in the last election and did not vote AFD because they thought they were literal NAZIS
pretty much. they saw voting FDP as a moderate form of protest. they also wanted to make a "big coalition" (Merkel + Schulz) mathematically impossible by weakening Merkel's party. they almost succeeded. current polls have SPD (Schulz' party) + CDU (Merkel's party) at less than 50% combined (19,5%+29,4%).
I have to point out to non-German Sup Forumsacks that a couple of years ago it was unthinkable to see these two parties at such a low. just 10 or 12 years ago SPD was around 37%, CDU was at solid 42-44%, if my memory serves me well.
>wasn't Merkel forced to come out against the current "refuge" policies
no, Merkel hasn't moved a fucking inch on this topic. and she never will. she backed herself into a corner on that one.
>Why not let the people elect a chancellor?
They fixed that after Hitler, my friend.
Still a goddess.
>wasn't Merkel forced to come out against the current "refuge" policies
The cunt has literally stated "I have made no mistakes" she cant hang soon enough, even if we get someone worse there will at least be the biggest happening since WW2
If you want to see Merkel panic, hand her a German flag in public.
In Spain we have Podemos, in France they have Melenchon, in the UK they have Jeremy Corbyn, Sweden is ruled by commies, Portugal is ruled by commies... I think commies are all over Europe.
It's pretty much the same that happened in Spain after the 2015 election. Parties didn't reach an agreement and we just had to repeat the election in June 2016.