Defend this, Sup Forums
Defend this, Sup Forums
Henry Russell
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Alexander Hill
Can’t defend either side. Pai is a fag, but so is OP
Julian Hernandez
all this ruling does is give back authority to the ftc which was how it was pre-2015 fuck of shill
Christopher Sanders
That's an obtuse generalization.
Christopher Powell
>Defend this.
Reddit is against it.
/thread
Ryan Lee
r*ddit on suicide watch
Bentley Rogers
Re.ddit users are against it.
Re.ddit itself is big enough to pay for bandwidth.
Sites like Sup Forums and 8ch.an, can barely afford their bills now.
Video heavy sites like Infowars will probably go under when their costs skyrocket.
That's a vague criticism.
pre-2015 (and even after), ISPs were caught multiple times giving preferential treatment to their own services at the expense of others
Zachary Allen
reddit will defend this
Nathaniel Rivera
Content providers already pay for bandwidth between their servers and the internet backbones.
The content providers' customers already pay for bandwidth between their devices and the internet backbones.
The internet backbones have peering contracts with each other, so that bandwidth is also paid for.
ISPs are trying to charge content providers a second time for bandwidth they already pay for. A cost that will be passed onto their customers.
Doing this, they can make competitors more expensive than their own products and abuse their monopolies/duopolies in most markets to kill competition.
Lucas Hall
Let the current (((internet))) break down.
I look forward to a new internet designed by far right autistic Sup Forums-tards. Imagine decentralized drone servers syncing Sup Forums hu-White blockchains while captcha mining cryptocurrencies. Also, porn is disabled on our new internet to raise T-levels and encourage natty feedback loops.
Ian Hall
>asking rural and suburban retards to think critically and defy Trump
William Powell
>I look forward to a new internet designed by far right autistic Sup Forums-tards.
You don't seem to understand.
The companies that this decision helps are the far left liberal media organizations that conservatives have been decrying for years.
This helps CNN and MSNBC at the expense of Fox News and other "alternative" media outlets
Gabriel Evans
>defending Fox News
Or are you trying to frame it so that the death of neutrality is bad for right wings as a way to get Sup Forums to fight for it?
Logan Clark
I'm not going to /pol has been infested with dumbasses who think this will be a good thing
Brayden Kelly
YOU don't seem to understand that we will simply create a new internet not piggybacking off Jew faggotry
Jonathan Thomas
Then why haven't you already?
Owen Lee
Only after an isp fucks up the lanes like the picture depicts will there be an incentive for someone else to build a new road.
Hunter Howard
wow! this is how the internet worked prior to 2015 when net neutrality was put in place????
oh wait, no, it wasn't.
fuck off comie
Robert Wilson
The US was under the assumption that net neutrality laws applied for 30 years going. It wasn't until Verizon won a lawsuit about it that the rules no longer applied to them. They promptly began fucking everyone over:
2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
cnet.com
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones.
fortune.com
2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube.
wired.com
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit.
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2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction.
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2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
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2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
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2017, Verizon caught throttling customer data in direct violation of FCC Net Neutrality rules
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Evan Bennett
Remember to archive
>wired com/2011/01/metropcs-net-neutrality-challenge
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>businessinsider com/verizon-blocking-google-wallet-2011-12
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>washingtonpost com/blogs/post-tech/post/fcc-fines-verizon-125m-for-blocking-tethering-apps/2012/07/31/gJQAXjRLNX_blog.html
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Mason Kelly
Every person shilling for the kill of NN is a fucking contrarian with 0 arguments.
>HURR Obama is for NN so it must be BAD!
>HURR Reddit is for NN so its shit
How are these 2 things arguments?
Atleast they have arguments to back up their stance why Net neutrality is usefull and should be protected.
Every argument for killing it benefits big cooperations.
Tyler James
And who has the millions of burgers laying around to build a new road, exactly?
>Google
>Amazon
>Facebook
You think they won't build a road with the exact same bullshit, but focused towards their content? Where the fuck do you think sites like Sup Forums fall on that blocklist, retard? ISP's have a monopoly on the infrastructure, and even if another tech giant comes in to swing their dick around and build their own, there is exactly 0 guarantee that it won't be just as biased. Kill yourself.
Jason Perry
I wonder this myself
Henry Rodriguez
I'm one person.
When enough people are tired of something, they make new services, such as the history of Linux
Jordan Ward
>Re.ddit itself is big enough to pay for bandwidth.
>Sites like Sup Forums and 8ch.an, can barely afford their bills now.
>Video heavy sites like Infowars will probably go under when their costs skyrocket
So what happens if Sup Forums's (or its host's) ISP chokes but my ISP is wide open? Do I get big lane access to Sup Forums or not
Sebastian Ross
So you're useless and just waiting for other men to do the hard work for you. You disgust me.
Christian Rogers
retard, this shit was passed under bush in 04
Elijah Rogers
>pre-2015 (and even after), ISPs were caught multiple times giving preferential treatment to their own services at the expense of others
Nothing is going to change in other words.
Logan Hall
And who do you think is going to build the new "roads"?
Sup Forums? Breitbart? They don't have the capital.
It will be Google, Amazon, Facebook and others as said.
Joseph Adams
>we will simply create a new internet
kek, that's not allowed thanks to the laws funded by big isp
Isaiah Carter
>prior to 2015
you mean when we had bush net neutrality?
David Price
>Trucks doing actual useful shit fuck oiver bernshills
>Sup Forums didn't exist before Obongo rules
OK, you take 6 million mb of data you pay for it you African swine
Bentley Young
>Do I get big lane access to Sup Forums or not
Yes my Norwegian retard friend. When the only road to the city is destroyed it does not matter because the road near your cuckshed in the woods works just fine.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I swear to God that most of these retards are paid Russian trolls who want to see the American internet to go to shit.
Eli Richardson
defend this
Chase Jenkins
Sup Forums uses cloudflare, so I'm not sure how their distribution model works. But I think (just an educated guess) international users would be fine, while US users would get fucked hard unless Sup Forums pays more for bandwidth.
Sup Forums gets half of its traffic from the US, so the site overall would get worse. It'd be like the days when Sup Forums was running on absolutely garbage tier servers.
Camden Turner
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Carson Gutierrez
Communists were our allies in WW2 to defeat the far more evil Nazis.
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Benjamin Edwards
>murders will always occur therefore punishing murderers makes no sense
Henry Wright
>far more evil nazis
what are you implying?
Christian Nguyen
Based on?
Communists - especially the (((Bolsheviks))) were way more evil and killed far more innocent people than the nazis - not even close
Austin Cooper
God I feel so sorry for you Americans. You're going backwards but only in a negative way.
Luke Rogers
>less americans
>bad
wow mayne
Ethan Thomas
>liberals and globalists are against an idea that would make their propaganda harder to distribute across the web due to ISP's jewing everyone.
Everyone loses from this, retard.
Colton Barnes
It's actually going to fuck over video-streaming jew sites. That is why the big push is from sites that rely on streaming 4K video. They'll get fucked especially hard, because they compete with cable TV, offered by the same telecoms.
>jew starts YouTube RED basically cable TV
>ISP is undercut and losing cable TV subscribers
>says fuck you to YouTube, your data spikes cost more on my network so you get throttled or customers need to pay more
>REEEEEEEE
It's jews jewing jews. I hate both of the giant jew-owned companies on both sides of this so fuck them all.
Joseph Torres
Hiroshimoot would be forced to either gimp or close down Sup Forums if half the fucking traffic vanished overnight. If you want to see what Sup Forums with most of its traffic gone looks like, either close your browser or go to 7chan. It'll be gone or gimped.
Owen Thompson
> visit 4 chan is 900kbps spike in network traffic
> 1 NetFlix video stream at 4K is 12mbps
Guess who's getting throttled.
Alexander Davis
>Defend this, Sup Forums
First, explain what's wrong with that?
Bentley Perry
If they just went after the people hogging all the bandwidth when NN is gone, then yeah it'd be fine. If the tiered internet is as bad as everyone is fearmongering (like Sup Forums being inaccessible), they'd still lock it behind a paywall for the sake of profit.
Realistically, the ISP's will probalby just throttle/add in a tiered charge for the big streaming services. I imagine they'd lower the cost for the rest of the internet as a result, but you never know.
Colton Murphy
Netflix is already big enough that it won't be affected by this.
They have servers INSIDE the ISPs networks, which means they pay nothing for the bandwidth outside of the initial burst from their central server.
The ones that are going to be harmed are small content providers and people who would compete with the big guys.
Anthony Martin
Something in this entire thing stinks...
Josiah Davis
fake news
Gabriel Brown
It's been a few months, norbro, we missed you
Liam Russell
>making sense
Hudson Nelson
Companies have convinced Sup Forumstards to fight against their own interests.
There's a reason Comcast and others are heavily lobbying the Republicans now that they're in the whitehouse.
Samuel Collins
You're the shill
>No you're the shill
No you're the shill
>No you're the shill
Lincoln Perry
>tfw I left an original comment on FCC site and know that the libtards are late to the party and no one cares about their opinion
Ayden Evans
more like netflix driving a 9000 axle truck down a toll lane and getting pissed they have to pay per axle instead of a flat $1.25 fee
Jayden Stewart
I do not believe that. Something else entirely.
Levi Baker
Netflix has servers inside most ISPs, meaning they pay very little in bandwidth compared to what their customers actually consume
Nathaniel Gray
Thanks
I'm also thinking about tracking and publishing all deleted tweets on blue checkmark media accounts. I used to do this way back and it caught a lot of interesting things. Send ideas to make it even better this time.
Landon Ortiz
>government should regulate who can and cannot provide internet services
>freedom
You net neutrality faggots are retarded.
Dylan Ortiz
Where do you get "forced sharing of infrastructure" out of Section 202. It clearly state that ISPs can't make unjust or unreasonable discrimination against traffic and that they can't throttle things that run rental or go through their lines.
Blake Harris
Hiro will probably delete Sup Forums to save bandwidth
Can't wait desu
How much longer till NN is gone?
Ayden Mitchell
At this point, it comes down to whether you want to give the government more power or not. So even if you hate both of them, if you hate the government you should be against it.
John Young
/wsg/ and /gif/ would probably have to go
filesize reduced to 1mb max.
maybe offsite hosting/embedding would be allowed
more likely it just shuts down
Cooper Cook
No it wasn't, liar. It's amazing how none you fucking brainlets have any idea what Net Neutrality is. We're talking about the FCC classifying ISPs as "common carriers" and then implementing 400 pages of "regulations". This happened in 2015. All of the problems you stupid niggers claim will happened were not a thing prior to Net Neutrality being implemented. You fucking children are falling for (((their))) oldest trick in the book.
Joseph Miller
Anyway, my 2 cents from other thread that was prunedd 2 minutes after i posted
Net neutrality isn't the true issue here. I think bigger issue is the proverbial shitbucket that is called USA internet infrastructure. That is a problem. Net neutrality is there as a band-aid that won't solve issue in the first place. It will delay the inevitable. Following will be me just giving this entire thing a thought and spin so bear with me.
>Either US keeps NN and ISP are status quo. End consumer will get butt fucked regardless and you probably won't get shit done.
>Or US trashes the NN, giving ISP free reign. End consumer will get butt fucked regardless and you probably won't get shit done.
I understand the reason why people would support NN, not blaming them for it. Having someone throttle ones browsing experience is shitty enough, having proverbial guillotine on top of that enjoyment won't make anyone dance.
I understand the package deals are scary. Checked the deals on Verizon Fios myself and they proclaim the following
>Download and upload time estimates based on maximum connection speeds. Actual speeds will vary.
But if every SJW troglodyte and normie hits netflix, you will never get that speed cause that infrastructure is taxed and cannot handle the load and requests and you will get throttled regardless of NN existance. I had similar experience during conscription day.
>We used cellphones but the idea is pretty much the same. 19:00 we had free time. Everyone logged into internet, using various services. There was lots of bitching and no one got anything done
You can complain about it when it happens. Under NN, ISP will tell you to go fuck yourself. And no-NN, ISP will still tell you to go fuck yourself cause he is the only one there.
Those will packages come out if NN exists or not and it will be result of of the situation at hand. Situation can be used against against them if they pull that shit but as Americans, its fucking hard to stop consuming shit.
Julian Clark
>pol wants CNN to be the most successful website in America
kek
Mason Roberts
Pic is from apps.fcc.gov
39% of Rural areas have NO provider and only 13% have more than 1 provider. 52% of Urban areas have only 1 provider That is by report made in January 2016. (Like what the shit? We europoor have it way fucking better)
Only way to solve this entire waterfall of piss is to start rapidly building out infrastructure and making it easier for new ISP enter the market by making regulations that allow it. Possible government support in building it out and tax breaks for new ISP. In our land of eternal depression we have enough providers to keep price low. 50Mbit no datacap and no throttling up & down, cable and telephone with unlimited calls for 25€. Proper infrastructure and amount of providers (I can count 5 on top of my hat), keep the price low.
Carter Jenkins
>by making regulations that allow it
You mean REMOVING regulations?
Nolan Peterson
Shitcanning the ones now in place, making ones more beneficial to startups and construction.
Should have specified it more
Caleb Rodriguez
You'd think that, wouldn't you? It's not "regulations" stopping competing ISPs appearing. You're not going to have humble internet farmers tending their crops for the local community.
Lincoln White
>The ones that are going to be harmed are small content providers and people who would compete with the big guys.
When I think about it, "small guys" might have to host their own platforms on a CDN or something. Even then, I'm not sure how much congestion one small studio could make. How much (worthwhile) content can a small operation actually make? "Content producers" will actually have to do more than let their milkers hang out while they badly play League of Legends for 4 hours at 1080p for $30 of cuck donations.
When you look around, a lot of high-bandwidth content really is just crap.
Daniel Hill
i can't defend it; its a shit cartoon
Julian Clark
This is fake.
Shills are out in full force today.
Defend Net Neutrality. Destroying Net Neutrality means the Internet will become a controlled medium like television. Net Neutrality keeps the internet open, like a free market, where shit like Sup Forums can become mega-popular.
Thomas Carter
>Only way to solve this entire waterfall of piss is to start rapidly building out infrastructure and making it easier for new ISP enter the market
They got huge tax subsidies already and fucked it away on CEO bonuses. If they're going to try that kind of bullshit again, the money needs to go to towns, and only towns that can prove they don't fuck away federal money.
Isaiah Brown
This is only video you have to watch to understand net neutrality
Eli Reed
Yes it is. Local governments regulate who can and can't create the infrastructure. They also decide which businesses can and can't operate within the city. Google has paid millions trying to get into the industry and have faced legal obstacles at every turn. After years of trying, they've managed to only get a handful of locations, some of which they may lose.
Nathaniel Bennett
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Joseph Wright
Maybe you should actually read the legislation put forward.
anti throttle measures will still be in place.
Cooper Evans
SHUT UP THE INTERNET IS BEING SHUT DOWN WE MUST RISE AND RESIST TRUMP FOR THE SAKE OF GOOGLE.
William Carter
My jewish masters tell me it's just fine and not to worry.
Landon Hernandez
>murdering racists is ok but dont murder poor people
Adam Gray
>Fox news
>Alternative
Newfag
Jace Johnson
And now the FCC do that - an even smaller group of (((people))). What a lovely solution..
Jason Parker
>where shit like Sup Forums can become mega-popular
kys
Sebastian Allen
The Bolsheviks were the Antifa of 100 years ago, only they went completely ignored and their movement was able to catch on like wild-fire unabated. In the West, we are lucky because of things like the internet and net neutrality, independent media stations could cover Antifa and go viral, while kike media like CNN and MSNBC remained hushed on the subject, not letting the American public know about it (trying to prevent us from stopping it).
Antifa has basically been failing to get off the ground because of things like Net Neutrality. Support Net Neutrality. Don't let the kikes kike the internet like they did with television. Kikes are trying to control all forms of media, Internet included.
Parker Reed
Google isn't trying to be a competing ISP, it's trying to become a monopoly.
Hudson Mitchell
except you can just google
"open society foundation net neutrality bill 2015"
Hunter Smith
>the Internet will become a controlled medium like television
>unless we keep a regulation that controls the medium under the monopoly of the govt
Adam Anderson
Just stop, Muhammad. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Benjamin Rivera
>Don't let the kikes kike the internet like they did with television
>support regulation written by kikes
?
Ryder Jenkins
>quoted everyone in the thread
>didn't get a single (You)
Literally a nigger.
John Gutierrez
>The trump administration is literally fascist
>We need to give the FCC under the Trump administration full regulatory control over the internet
Kayden Gutierrez
One of us has sold several million quid's worth of fibreoptics, one of us hasn't. Your infrastructure is nigger rigged and fucked beyond belief and it's not because of too much regulation.
Adam Clark
>give total control to government to control what you see on the internet
OR
>give total control to companies to control what you see on the internet
Is there definitely no 3rd option or are we fucked
Juan Morgan
net neutrality means the ISPs can't determine what you see on the internet
the government can't control what you see on the internet unless it violates an existing law
Isaac Bell
>infinity symbol
How old is this image or does 8 actually still make OC? They seem dead as shit this year.
Jordan Johnson
You forgot to add 'people who vote against their own interests' to the right side.