Norden, please explain me this
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Literally you think youre hot shit dontcha
I'll give it a go.
Hygge is a strong sense of comfyness that you only really get in ethnostates/very high percentage of same population living there. It's essentially just enjoying eachothers company, and especially since it tends to be quite cold and rainy and cloudy it's about getting comfy and enjoying eachothers company.
Essentially hygge = as comfy as possible.
Jante law/janteloven is an implied/unspoken law to not boast about your shit in front of everybody to make them feel better about yourself, it's a sense of humility and respect to the society. Like, people don't boast about how much money they make and if you ask them sometimes it's seen as disrespectful. And people don't overexaggerate either, so when they say they're somewhat good at something, you know they are good, and when they say they are good at something you know they are really fucking good at it. It's a way of not boasting too much about things but simply just less talk more action type of deal.
Both are instruments to ensure and provide and maximize social cohesion between both different classes of society and people with different skills and talents.
And people say you have no culture.
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Aside from those there are many many implied unspoken rules in our societies, especially about being polite to any dane you meet. Even if you just meet eachother on the street and don't know eachother. Or in other situations. Very strong ethnic bonds facilitate that situation so you feel like they are all kind of your family. And it's also a super awesome thing imo. And inspires trust in eachother so you know "it's a fellow dane, they won't fuck you over but others might" kind of thing. It's those kinds of things that multiethnic and multicultural societies totally destroy. And is part of the blood and soil thing that is the essence of nationalism.
Noone likes a flexer. It's perfectly fine to be successful, but if you act like you're hot shit, you'll be brought back down to earth.
You were cooler when you were vikings
>muh humility
>muh epicureanism
civilizing you is what killed you
Exactly. You can be fucking amazing at shit but let others point it out not yourself. Don't flaunt your shit or you might quickly be met with resentment and even exclusion or ostrasizing. It's a sense of reminder that we are on the same team and don't fuck up the team with your ego tripping. Just do your thing and play your part.
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>You were cooler when you were vikings
What makes you say this is a new thing? you watched too many hollywood movies perhaps.
It's a team work kind of thing not about pulling people down who do well. If you're good at shit just be good at shit don't try to demoralize the rest of the team and just play your part and then everyone likes you and appreciates you.
And if you do that then people aren't shy to point out if you do something well just don't grandstand like a cunt about it, so it's not like you're not rewarded for it, but don't say to people how great they are supposed to think you are. It's interpreted as insincerity and a big talker instead of a doer. If you are good at something just show it, then no further explanation is necessary then people will recognize it and tell you. I don't see how you think that's a bad thing.
tak skal du have
Det var så lidt.
I think USA would be a lot better place if you applied some Jante yourself.
I think so too but it's their country, they have their way we have our way and that's fine too.
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I'll go a little further with this if you don't mind brazil. Also on top of this it instills a very high ingroup mentality. That is for example exemplified in this little bit comedic song.
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about 1 minute 20 into the song it goes translated.
>there are other people in the world who are not danes
>they live in caves and fight all day
>this is not something we have ever done
>the warmer countries are totally shit
This is ofcourse a bit comedic but essentially you have to prove a LOT of loyalty to denmark and danes to be accepted into the danish ingroup. And same with other nordic countries. You are treated politely ofcourse but if you stray from those kinds of behaviour you are quickly seen as an outsider. You can be on our "team" but the requirements to JOIN our team are steep and you have to play by the rules, if you fuck up you're out on your ass in the cold again and have to prove yourself all over. This safeguards our culture values and the state of our country so that it keeps being good like we want it to be.
Many other countries could learn a thing or two about that, but the fact is many european countries had the exact same thing going in the past. This whole multiculti/multiethnic bullshit which destroys all the things i've mentions, is very new and are gradually turning those nations into crap.
And it's not something about wanting to take over world or anything stupid like that. It's simply this is our small place, you want to be in our small place, you go by our rules or you are out on your ass.
And there's NOTHING wrong with that! And it's actually a very good thing and produces good results!
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BUT that being said, if you are accepted by your own effort through those strict things. You are accepted completely as part of us as long as you play by those rules. And also trusted very highly and all of that. BUT IF YOU FUCK UP and betray that placed trust, we get pissed off!
And if you want to go full controversial about this whole thing.
The kikes have very high ingroup which is similar to this kind of thing. This is what they call being a jew.
But since they didn't have a nation jewry was a transnational thing. But totally similar to nationalism.
This is why the kikes want to destroy nationalism because aha what are they destroying? all the stuff i just mentioned. And then everyone is fighting eachother and only the kikes are united and have strong ingroup and through this they can then dominate. Hitler pointed this out which is what i am hinting to with regards to controversial notion.
Hitler said this in mein kampf;
>The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate. For as long as a people remain racially pure and are conscious of the treasure of their blood, they can never be overcome by the Jew. Never in this world can the Jew become master of any people except a bastardized people"
THIS is why they don't want you to read mein kampf because it tells you exactly why the kikes are so adament in promoting multiculti/multiethnic societies.
Because hitler is right about this, people who have such a strong ingroup mentality could never ever get conquered by the kikes. Because they simply would not allow it. So they have to call nationalists racists, whilst themselves having jew nationalism galore. And through immense nepotism then place themselves in positions of power and favour other jews in every step, whilst having the national population fight eachother. And how to do this.. MASS IMMIGRATION because it destroys this ingroup blood and soil thing!
folk af /pol burde allerede vide om denne regel, tror jeg
Once you realize this, you will realize very quickly that the jew emperor has no clothes! and why they want to destroy nationalism. You will also realize immediately the logic of why they have ethnonationalism in israel whilst the jews try to deny blood and soil nationalism for everyone else. WHY?
BECAUSE THEY CANNOT CONTROL OTHER COUNTRIES as long as they have blood and soil nationalism! Why do you think the kikes got kicked out so many times? precisely because it was the case.
And once you realize this and realize that's the game the kikes are playing with all this "racism" bullshit, there's no way they can put humpty dumpty back together again.
So ofcourse the burger in this thread things these ideas are bad, but he simply doesn't know that they're good. Why? because the kikes have tried for a LONG time to drum those ideas out of burgers precisely for that reason!
>folk af /pol burde allerede vide om denne regel, tror jeg
Det ville vel ikke være en dårlig ting?
Blacks and Mexicans cannot genetically into it.
I know a guy who works in Sweden and he bought himself a brand new Q7 because we like nice things because we've never had any before.
He told everyone it was a gift for his father and he's just using it temporarily to escape Nordick judgement. I never understood that but now I kinda do. Having nicer things than the Joneses is illegal in Sweden.
>Having nicer things than the Joneses is illegal in Sweden.
No it's not at all! just don't flaunt it and talk about it constantly. You can ride right up in the most expensive car possible but if you otherwise don't behave like some jackass nobody would mind. let others point out if they want to that's a nice car. And you can say yeah it's nice i like it, it's alright. But don't go
>ah yeah this car is awesome look how awesome i am for having this car.
this is not acceptable. What you don't think people realize you have a nice car if you don't talk about it all the time in their face? Ofcourse they do, people aren't stupid, so don't insult them.
Jeg tror ikke det. Folk ville være litt mer rasjonelle og siviliserte.
Nothing wrong with a nice SUV. It's practical. It's not some sports car that is useless in the winter.
It's pretty interesting Estonia doesn't have these same social 'rules'. I guess it goes to show Estonia is more slavish than nordic.
this whole thing is quite interesting. it's a good throw back from earlier times. In south africa we have the San people. Traditionally when a San hunter arrived back in the village people would curse him, why is the animal so small, you are a fucking shit hunter, better you don't hunt for us again, why do you bother.
this meant that hunters didn't hunt all the time. so less pressure on game, and also prevented people from becoming too big headed. a big deal in an egalitarian society without formal leadership structures.
sounds like norden is based original humanz afterall.
>Det tror jeg ikke. Folk ville være lidt mere rationelle og civiliserede.
FIFY nice of you to try to speak the language to me, very kind of you.
But anyways to answer: That's something they have to decide to want to be. / Det er vel op til dem selv at beslutte om de vil være det.
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Its all cucked. We are the white niggers. Dont come here.
Yes listen to him, don't come here. It's very bad here everything is bad. So it's better that you stay where you are that's much better!
People used to report their neigbours to the militia for having nice drapes on their windows.
Complaining about others having nice things is fucking commie shit.
We were all equal when the Union collapsed so if you're a bum now then it's your own goddamn fault.
Keep barking, muttcunt.
>He still didn't get it
Yawn. Is this the limit of Eesti intelligence?
This is not commie shit you fucking retard. If you can't tell the difference shame on you. It's a whole different value system than that. It's promoting merit instead of hot talk, aswell as unity as a blood and soil team instead of egotripping. One of the reasons for it is to promote team work rather than provoke jealousy. There's nobody that has any fucking problem with someone wearing the most expensive clothes possible, having the biggest fucking house or driving the most expensive car possible as long as they don't act like a retard. People know instantly their quality and point it out to THEM and they get in positions of merit not by boasting and hot talk and pointing it out to OTHERS, it's a big big difference.
>Jante law/janteloven is an implied/unspoken law to not boast about your shit in front of everybody to make them feel better about yourself, it's a sense of humility and respect to the society. Like, people don't boast about how much money they make and if you ask them sometimes it's seen as disrespectful. And people don't overexaggerate either, so when they say they're somewhat good at something, you know they are good, and when they say they are good at something you know they are really fucking good at it
this is true here to a certain degree as well, although I guess it's fading away
if you boast about something you have to do it in a jokingly way otherwise you do come off as a cunt
there is another interesting benefit to this kind of social arrangement which you touch on when you say 'hot talk'
That is social resistance to psychopathy - i.e. the ability of society to neuter the impact of psychopaths on that society.
Psycho's are masters of obtaining power through low expertise undertakings ( see modern 3rd wave feminism and the pejorative nature of the modern left). If a psychopath spots a space in which all they have to do is vilify and shout the loudest to obtain the most power, they will find the space populated with their on kind ( e.g. mattress girl sacrifices some innocent dude etc) .
Power obtained through merit and action is less difficult to achieve because you have to work for it - something that does not satisfy the psychopath.
A review of politics and the characters that play within political systems across europe is indicative of the types of personalities that are rewarded and tolerated by those societies.
I suspect for instance that the anglo political experience allows for a far higher number of psychopaths to enter positions of power - and for the populace to not see it.
There are undoubtedly psycho's in scandi/norden culture as well, however, the social mechanisms mollify their impact in such a way that their impact on society is lessened.
>Law of Jante
Denmark is highly taxed and most people will be kept down their entire life. People are jealous that some people still succed and redicule them by saying that they shouldnt brag.
>hygge
Just a danish word for cosiness with social interaction as a big part. NOTHING SPECIAL.
You pretty much nailed it!
They will start pulling apart society into a caste society if such things aren't in place and then there goes the team down the fucking tubes!
See we VALUE people of quality VERY VERY MUCH. And we recognize them very easily as most people do. And we want them to be rewarded for their efforts that they have truly earned. By switching the recognition to everyone else to recognize their merit, instead of themselves declaring how great they are. You destroy psychopathic tendencies/identify them to be dealth with, aswell as you ensure the integrity of the team to have great teamwork together as a unit from the worst to the best and everyone in between functioning as a cohesive unit. We want the best of the best, we want them to succeed and do great things but at the same time we also want the team to do well because we are all part of that team, so don't provoke jealousy! And that team is torn apart (class based societies) if we don't have those things.
See the norse are a very very old societies so they learned those things long ago that several others are toddlers in comparison to understand this. And the US a very new nation in comparison is walking right into that mistake.
Not to say that global cultural shift hasn't caused problems for us aswell, but are very mitigated in comparison because of this.
Either very young/ignorant or migrant background, please excuse yourself from the conversation and don't make us look bad. That is the least you can do at this point.
Shill blive skor med denne tråd
>make us look bad
People already know about danish taxes mate.
>Migrant background
I'm a 26 year old white guy
>people already know about the taxes mate.
that's a whole different discussion. Those tax rates aren't endemic of how we are. And i agree aswell that it's too much. Even the left wing social democrats fucking realize that by now that it's unsustainable especially with regards to immigrants.
>I'm a 26 year old white guy
upbringing seems to be the problem then. The point is i gave a perfectly reasonable and sound explanation that was also accurate. And you're shitting all over it. Why are you doing this just shut up and go enjoy your day somewhere else.
Wait, what? This is how you interpret the law of jante? I always thought Aksel wrote the law of Jante as a critique of nordic mentality. The Law of Jante encourages anyone to NOT aspire to anything unconventional. It is the social contract that restricts us and keeps us from realizing ourselves fully. Basically its a law that says "you should be a mediocre pleb, and you should scorn those who try in some manner to not be mediocre. Don't strive for greatness, such things are all vain. Just be a pleb, accept life as a bland, conventional thing and be content with that."
Why would you want an ego-driven society? Noone survives the winter alone. Teamwork is not only beneficial, it's a must this far North. These 'rules' did not come to be by accident, people who didn't adhere to them froze to death.
I guess you've missed the point entirely. Go read through the thread. specifically No it's not telling people to be an insignificant pleb it's for entirely different reasons. Do you think we got to where we are because we are insignificant plebs and promoting that. Not at all. It's to not provoke jealousy when you have recieved a good reward according to your merit, and to identify psychopathic tendencies.
The law of Jante is ridiculously hyperbolic. Taking it at face value would be a mistake on your part.
Your explanation is shit - might aswell just read the wikipedia page
>upbringing seems to be the problem then
:^) Keep cucking Hr straamand
You keep making your nation and people proud then mr. smileyface.
i think it's a natural condition of people - at least it's something that you see in more traditional societies. the 'big man' syndrome that you see in modern anglo-based cultures is simply the 'forgetting' of this old lesson. In australia for a long time they had what has been described a s 'tall poppy' effect - the people who tried to become too 'important' were shunned. This shunning is slowly disappearing. you nordens have the advantage in that you have probably had relatively stable societies since the stone age ( with small breaks of chaos in between) whereas colonial cultures have often embraced 'new' norms.
Currently, in south africa I feel we whites are ignoring these old lessons - we are shamed for not adopting more social norms (even tho our oldest cultures used to embrace them ). Blacks too ignore these.
It's interesting because the 'emancipation' from royalty is one thing that drove this change in our behaviour (i.e. everyone can be like a king) - it is seen as justifiable fulfilment or actualisation of who you are.
you norden are lucky in this sense as your liberation did not cause you to question your basic cultural nature.
I have lived in europe and have noted these cultural features. I enjoyed my norden experiences more than I did my anglo experiences. But it was interesting to see the differences and to be shocked by them.
I always had better convo's with norden than anglo's (well mostly ). All hail norden in your northern halls of snow. where is the vodka?
Trips of truth. Yeah I read through the thread and I see it a bit clearer now. Dont you agree that it could have a restrictive effect as well, though? It stigmatizes any personal revel of ones success, thus diminishing ones drive for it. Maybe I'm overthinking it because I always saw the law of jante as a critique.
>It stigmatizes any personal revel of ones success
But it doesn't. Success is infact highly encouraged. People are pushed to be successful; socialized education is one "symptom" of this. It stigmatizes behavioral patterns that are detrimental to the group as a whole.
The opposite of nigger behavior.
If you think that it means you should be an insignificant pleb that should never amount to nothing. Yes then it ofcourse has a massively negative effect. But that's the opposite of the point!
It's simply don't brag. If you're the best of the best everybody already knows it, they will recognize within themselves according to what you DO that you're the shit. And they'll point it out to you, dude you're fucking awesome at this, you need to be put here to do this etc. People recognize those who are invaluable. They don't have to SAY IT. People who say it constantly "look how great i am" it's insincere because if they are so great why would they say it two options. Either they are not great but want you to think they are to fake merit b) they are a psychopath and are identified as such. Too much bragging is a bit of a red flag.
Now ofcourse murica it's all about bragging so that's more cultural, but within that type of thing is also a very high risk of psychopathy because how can you tell who's just bragging cause they really are great and who is because they are a psychopath, it blurrs the lines and legitimizes it. And destroys the team cohesiveness by belittling everyone else on purpose and for no reason.
Like if you are so great why brag. Just do your shit everybody already knows you are just by what you do just keep your mouth shut about bragging, don't be a jackass. And nobody will mind, they realize you're quality and you need to be where you need to be.
Also being great at something and not bragging signifies true quality in and of itself. It implies an underlying understanding of the social contract that ultimately you are part of a team and you are rewarded for being a crucial indispensable element of that team by the effect of you doing what you are capable of doing and the rest of the team appreciates that. And why rub it in? It only serves as belittlement and provokes jealousy on purpose to grandstand. And only bad things come of that.
>bringing up the Law of Jante on a board dedicated to shitting on anyone who dares to do anything or be anything more than an anonymous neet
choose your fighter
Plaguebringer is my main
Here I thought hygge was a case of beer or 2
>no Sup Forums, you are the Sweden
Thank you. I love Hygge. Will try to practice it among mine.
Yw, hygge and the other stuff ensures a society where you can sit and have a beer and one guy might be on welfare or working a low end job and another guy might be a fucking millionaire and they see eye to eye either way and have a good time regardless if one drives home in a lambo and the other drives home on a bicycle, they can both have a fucking blast cause you don't talk about work shit or about how much money you earn that's insulting to talk about, that's their private things. They're each part of the same team and not trying to fuck eachothers shit up having a beer and some laughs without bringing up all that shit. According to their merits but all of the same team. But ofcourse promoting that you try to do the very best with the cards you have been dealt. Don't you think that's a little bit better than having some VIP lounge where they tell themselves how awesome they are. Ofcourse you'll always have that but atleast it's minimized a bit for the wellbeing of society.
I've experienced this myself in massive multinational corporations that have stuff in denmark that shall remain nameless for the sake of the discussion. That have a policy where literally some guy signs logistic orders for many many hundreds of millions in just one order. But even a pleb can walk right in and talk to them without any problem for maximum cohesion, that's path to success. They paid very different salary and have very different job demands but can all sit down and have a few beers regardless. Just different roles and different merit. Also fuck communism cause it destroys all that and turns it to shit. But unfettered capitalism without this sort of thing, is fucking disastrous aswell. People have a lot to learn same as usual. But i really do believe that we've got the long end of the stick. Far from perfect but definately not entirely bad either.
I agree with everything you say, and I follow such tenets myself. Everyone here immediately recognizes hollow boasts coming from a poser. I just never attributed these qualities of ours with the law of jante.
It was just pointing out what was there and put a spin on it is all. It wasn't "invented" there it was there as a result of a long time of lessons.