Now that I tnink about it, isekai fad isn't a bad thing at all

Now that I tnink about it, isekai fad isn't a bad thing at all.

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Why does it have to be isekai? What's wrong with simple high fantasy?

This. We need more anime like Chaika

>Why does it have to be isekai? What's wrong with simple high fantasy?
Because High Fantasy was influenced by what was popular at the time. Just as Cyberpunk was influenced by the Japanese boom. You can't bring back something without changing popular trends.

High quality sports anime that focus on the characters and not the sport > isekai shit

Most Isekai is just high fantasy with a tiny irrelevant twist.

Hardly anyone actually uses their real world knowledge as a modern man in their fantasy medieval world.

Especially the ones with "OP cheats" because that means they have to rely on their knowledge of modern society EVEN LESS.

What, you gay?

is this gook shit?

All those are reasons to NOT make them isekai.

I mean, if there is no actual interaction between worlds and the origin world of the MC doesn't matter at all there is no point on it.

That's why I prefer traditional fantasy. Not because Isekai is a bad concept, but because if you are not gonna use the isekai part then its pointless.

>Not because Isekai is a bad concept, but because if you are not gonna use the isekai part then its pointless.

Well, the few that DO use the isekai that actually has isekai as a major plot point is good.

The rest should just stay high fantasy, right.

Wait until they make a Isekai with gay sports, it will be glorious.

You mean a story where a band of jocks use their sports knowledge and power of teamwork to defeat the demon lord?

I'd watch it, probably

Too late.

>traditional fantasy

At least this fad results in some cute fantasy romance shit being produced.

-fish out of water story
-technology vs magic
-genre crossovers
-to add characters that wouldn't belong to fantasy normally
-In Medias Res (character already competent/experienced from the get go just not accustomed to the world)

as for the actual reason
-HikkiNEET MC (like you) getting beastgirl harem

I hope Dungeon Meshi and Goblin Slayer get anime soon

Arifureta?

>not liking gay pole dancing
Pleb.

>Among the class transported to another world, Nagumo Hajime is an ordinary male student who didn’t have ambition nor aspiration in life, and thus called “Incompetent” by his classmates.

>The class was summoned to become heroes and save a country from destruction. Students of the class were blessed with cheat specifications and cool job class, however, it was not the case with Hajime, with his profession as a “Synergist”, and his very mediocre stats.

>“Synergist”, to put it in another word was just artisan class. Being the weakest, he then falls to the depth of the abyss when he and his classmates were exploring a dungeon. What did he find in the depth of the abyss, and can he survive

This underdog but actually overpowered thing is what triggers me most about Isekai.

It would be nice for a change that the isekai included a character making achivements through efforts knowledge or tactics.

problem is the knowledge and tactics characters also just get OP in that every strategy completely wins because of his "superior modern japanese knowhow"

For me I wish for balance, MC can have a cheat so long as it doesn't "defeat everyone and everything forever" just a small boost that he has to work to his advantage (like Devil Fruits in OP or Stands in JJBA)

>MC wins because of power/cheat
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of efforts
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of knowledge or tactics
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of [insert here[
>"plotarmor!"
You know it's true, that's what you usually hear on Sup Forums all the time after all, with slight variations.

Forget it man, Isekai MCs are always going to be Esdeath-level broken Sues, pulling a new OP power out of their ass any time shit goes sour. The people buying LNs don't want realistic conflict or tension they just want escapism

>pulling a new OP power out of their ass any time shit goes sour
It's almost like it's a shounen (or Hollywood blockbuster) or something... Oh, wait.

wouldn't the escapism and powerfantasy be better and more satisfying if the MC worked for it?

I was more invested in Rudi getting his harem than other series because he spent multiple arcs and heart-breaks trying to obtain it (though once he got it it became boring).

>MC wins because of efforts
>"plotarmor!"
>MC wins because of knowledge or tactics
>"plotarmor!"

I have never been someone in Sup Forums complaining because Kanta wins.

Because isekai isn't about fantasy.

It's about pandering to SAO fans who want a self-insert protagonist and video game mechanics.

Don't like men pole dancing? Are you gay?

...

>every strategy completely wins because of his "superior modern japanese knowhow"

A good story would model how his enemies would begin adapting to his "superior" know how and the next great challenge for him would be growing into his own person with skills and abilities beyond his "otherworldlyness."

Shounen MCs grit their teeth and prevail through the power of friendship and GUTS or some shit. Isekai MCs just go lol nope because they're either level 999 or have some one of a kind power/artifact that nobody else can even come close to

The best part of Isekai is when the Isekai swaps our to our world. Not enough series do that.

Snowflake powers for main characters are fine, but you know, at least they could be creative about it and start low and increase them as long as the story progresses.

You know, like he gets a sacred sword and little by little learns how to master it and use it in a different way.

Instead of getting an unbreakable armor, healing factor, a sacred sword that cuts everything and eyes of mistic perception, all in chapter one.

yes that is a good story

but a lot of the "uses brain and strategy" series won't have that.

feels like a downgrade imo

Well that's because that makes Isekai...proper Isekai. The other world thing has a meaning if they swap between worlds

Its not even just special snowflake powers. Theyre also Jesus blessed by the writing to always win.

SAO never had much to do with the narou trends though.

that's just terrible. wtf kind of world building would you get with that idea?

The chink novels whack off to power a lot, but most of isekai I've read in moon that have super broken off the bat MCs aren't actually a series based on action. It's based on comedy and harem hijinx.

I don't understand how you guys can keep complaining about something that was never intended. Do you guys actually think action is the meat of say, Death March? It begs the question if all of you have some extreme fetish towards shit posting or you're completely devoid of empathy.

Now whether or not those series are any good is a totally different matter, and obviously is mostly subjective. But it's basically a fact that most isekai with OP MC is mainly based on comedy. It's pretty nigger to complain about the lack of tension.

And it's not like Sup Forums is even trying to bring attention to the series that supposedly fit their taste other than goblin slayer. Every one of you is too pussy to share your shit taste and promote it.

Best Isekai are written by koreans. Jap isekai is basically
>MC given power up with no training
>MC gets harem without doing shit
OR
>MC betrayed
>Betrayal gives him power up

these are some of the worst stories i have ever read with some of the worst MCs i have ever seen.
Compare the 2 best KR isekai and 2 best JP isekai
Dungeon Defense
Running away from the hero
and
Mushoku Tensei
Overlord / Shield Hero

Like it's easy to take a shitty Isekai and improve it

>SAO
make him an average gamer, spend the series showing the progress in leveling, get rid of his abilities save the ones you will show him getting (LMS is sort of a good example)

>Re:monster
remove harem, make some of the raids outright fail, him getting injured (basically more battles like the Red Bear battle), have him work to be the leader of the race make the leader a great challenge and have him persecuted making the eventual take over a better turning point, and if you are going to have them rank up do it after great difficulty (hell make it a heroic death system where he has the choice to rank up every time he gets killed while checking certain criteria). Also either make him a against rape and have him no rape or make him unhinged and not care about the rape from the start.

>Kumo desu ga
Split the story and SS into two different series all together. In the main series make getting out of the cave just the beginning, have the outside monsters stronger and more variant, and the humans actual heroic monster killers that you have to worry about their strength and intelligence

Enjoy your new fujo overlords.

>Running away from the hero
how is running away from hero

I always try to read KR novels but they always make me cringe for some reason (mostly just reading CN novels nowadays)

As much as I like Dungeon Defence it has a very very weak worldbuilding. The war aspect was also kind of a joke. Its obvious it can't compare to the usual senki series that focus on them but it should try more in the strategy department, especailly when Dantalian has Centaurs and other monsters in his army there's so much more room for creativity.

Other than that I riked it.

Chaika was surprisingly not as shit as you guys made out to be. It's a straight 5/10 fun dumb shounen.

I miss Hataraku Maou-sama too.
Then again, gay pole dancing.

a very interesting read

MC uses survival instincts like a cheat. not much i can explain from there.

give it a read and see. you won't regret it

>the best show this season isnt because man-love is icky

Coming from the guy who's probably jacked-off to cartoon horse porn.

I was thinking more in the line of Dunbine. First half set in another world and the second the characters from that world come to ours and take their conflicts with them.

Cat porn yes, horse porn no.

How can you enjoy anything under 7/10?

Because nowdays anything that is 5/10 is better than most things since the average is 3/10?

Dungeon Defense isn't any better (or worse) than Mushoku or Overlord.

Can't talk about Runaway hero cause I didn't read it

>Dungeon Defense isn't any better (or worse) than Mushoku or Overlord.
everyone has different tastes user. yours is clearly lacking

>it has a very very weak worldbuilding.
Yeah seriously, I want to print out a guide on creating fantasy worlds and slam it on the author's head because his world is just ridiculously incoherent. It's twice as frustrating because I suspect he's smart enough to get this stuff so he was probably just too lazy to think it through.

You are the one using that picture but Isn't 4'6 vs 4'7 clearly is an argument on my favor?

Unless of course you are posting it cause the number of votes instead of rating, as if being more popular meant anything.

In any case, that was a retarded move on your end.

5/10 is supposed to be the average and you add/subtract points from there. Too many reviewers start at 10/10 and only detract points.

???

???

>4.6 is better than 4.7
>this level of retard
>having more votes doesn't mean more people read it
>even though it came out years after Mushoku tensei and mushoku tensei is supposedly a must read in JP light novel isekai community
>this level of retard
Pushing this argument will be a mistake on my part. Your reply is unneeded

When I said the average I meant that most shows are a 3/10

There's a VN with that. vndb.org/v74

Wow someone with actual comprehension
Every one of these threads is filled with people who want a completely different writing style and levels of writing that literally never existed in LNs

More people reading it doesn't mean a shit, by that logic Sao is one of the best anime ever

And 4'6 is not any worse than 4'7, its almost the same

>virtually the same
Actually no, 88% of people giving one 5/5 and only 77% for the other is a pretty significant gap.

I disagree, they use so much game terms and otaku pandering and cliche, that it looks like they are parody, but, and that is exactly the problem, they don't intend to be parodies or comedies or at least most of them doesn't

I give that things like Konosuba, Slime, Gunota or Death March are OK because those ones are comedy, but all the rest (Like Mushoku, Re:Monster or Overlord, Shieldbro, Grimgar, Zero, Distpari, Dungeon Seeker, Maou no hajimekata, Spirit migration...) never were parody or comedy.

Fund it. The more I think about it, the better it sounds.

Gachimuchi in Isekailand?

If i wanted GAY porn actors i would have said so already. But that'd be interesting to watch.

>revolutionizing adult entertainment in a medieval setting

>Overlord is not comedy
are you serious

I know, its hard to believe.

The divine comedy is called a comedy for a reason i guess.

>a play characterized by its humorous or satirical tone and its depiction of amusing people or incidents, in which the characters ultimately triumph over adversity.

The literary use of the term comedy and the modern colloquial use are only vaguely related at best.

Yep.
>In the Middle Ages, the term expanded to include narrative poems with happy endings. It is in this sense that Dante used the term in the title of his poem, La Commedia.

Actually, he's basically underpowered but coincidentally stumbles into being overpowered by having livesaving medicine he stumbled on moment's before allow him to survive eating otherwise fatal demon meat, which gives him bullshit stats and abilities as he eats more demons.

Not saying it's any better, but his class isn't really the better part of his being overpowered.

>MC is overpowered alpha
Sup Forums reaction
>shitty gary stu self-insert, I'm tired of OP MCs

>MC is weaksauce beta
Sup Forums reaction
>shitty betamax self-insert, I'm tired of beta protags

>MC is completely average
Sup Forums reaction
>Shitty boring and bland self-insert with no personality

I think his class would have been good if he managed to find a way to exploit it. He was able to bind a behemoth for a few moments and let the rest of his classmates escape. Not to mention one of the world magics is a beefier version of his transmutation magic.

>Sup Forums is one person

4. The MC has a heterogeneous mixture of strengths and weaknesses.
Has never happened in an Issekai so reaction is unknown.

>Last kumo chapter was almost a month ago.
Kill me.

is this show good? I dropped it since it seemed no better than boys Hollywood and Uta no Prince-sama. most of my friends love it but they have horrible taste and often confuse melodrama and slow burners for deep story

Don't ask Sup Forums

>mentioning Shounen Hollywood and UtaPri in the same breath
Besides being about male idols they have nothing in common.

Isn't that basically the very same premise than Re:Monster and Slime?

Well, may be they could try more with a relatable main characters with a set of skills that uses in a right way and evolves through his quest.

It have some parody elements, but comedy, not at all.

And no, not all parodies are comedy

>revolutionizing adult entertainment in a medieval setting
Sign me up.

Can we just go back talking about male pole dance? Isekai is boring unless it has mecha on it like Dunbine, Rayearth and Escaflowne.

Nobody reason those though, probably because they're usually not isekai.

I'd watch this.

FMA was isekai done right.

I agree though, male pole dancing crossed with magical boys is the way forward.

Yeah and no. The main difference is that base Hajime sucks completely, and he happens to hit an extremely fortunate circumstance that would have benefitted anyone in his shoes at that time, while Monster and Slime entail a MC who is born as a shitty class/species but with exploitable abilities.

Well, what reaction do you expect when all of these are done wrong 95% of the time?

>Everyone thinks Ainz is hypercompetent at everything but he's usually just being Ciaphas Cain
>Absurdly overpowered beings who act like children with ADD or sitcom archetypes
>Romcom hijinks with inhuman monstrosities
>Gap moe/humor and exhilaratingly abnormal situations

Seriously maybe 20% of it is serious, the rest is just shitty gags and wasting too many pages setting up shitty gags.

Never saw FMA as isekai, not even the original show.

Have you watched the Shambala film?

Also you claim it's not comedy when some of the sub-plots could pass for Moliere plays.

Can we forget that movie exist?

Also, Isekai means "different world" but having a different world doesn't authomatically make something isekai, the same way that having an original world doesn't qualify something as fantasy or being set in the future isn't enough to qualify as sci-fi

The movie was good, why should we?

>having a different world doesn't authomatically make something isekai
So what makes isekai? In FMA you have magic travel from one world to another. That's enough of a definition of isekai to me.

Yuri on ice is a masterpiece that can't be compared to anything else.

The show does really well steering clear of forced drama and that's one of the biggest reasons why it stays enjoyable throughout.

Best chink isekai is the ones that doesn't focus on power levels or cultivation (there are actually some):

Release that Witch is amazing.

Isekai are works where the main character travels or its reincarnated into a different world , so the story takes mostly in that different world. Doesn't matter which is his original world, what matters is that he travels a new world he explorers.

In FMA there was a twist in the end where he travels to our world.

To be Isekai the traveling should have happened at the beginning and he should have expended all the story in our world (that for him would have been a different world).