Rebellion

Find a flaw.

>muh doka

When the hell is concept coming out? Fucking never?

>Find a flaw
Homura's hair isn't coloured correctly for a second at 23 minutes and 47 seconds in

Don't think there is any. It was really good and I enjoyed it more than original anime.

>Find a flaw.
It exists.

Shattered the fan base.

Best girl turns into a lolicon

That just makes her more best.

the flaw is they fucked the plot with the ending and now they can't come up with the end of the trilogy. it's a typical case of jacking up the ante to fanfiction level and not being able to resolve everything within the scope of the story. wouldn't be surprised if some or much of what happened gets effectively retconned.

Homu fighting against madoke has been foreshadowed since the beginning

This show attracts dumb tripfags.

I mostly agree with you. I think the problem is that the one most effective way to fix everything can be seen miles away.

No it wasnt. Read literally any interview by Shinbo or Urobuchi on the subject.

You posted it.
This. Should have ended bittersweet with faust beating the devil instead of ending the initial series with a hook for $$$
But mostly this.

Madoka and Homura aren't together.

An unwanted cheesy loli.

You and I are together but you do not love me. Also, you were not able to receive a reply from Kevin-kun at the thread. I wanted to be at that place. Okay, I'll give you a (You) now!

This so fucking much. You can no longer discuss this show without 10 tripfags showing up doing nothing other than dumbing images and telling everyone how much they wish ship xy would be canon.

Looking at you you cancerous idiot.

I didn't post an image. I also didn't say I wish for MadoHomu as cute as it would be. If they end up together fine. If they don't fine.

Fanservice

Why did you ignore me? I wanna talk to you. Don't you think Nagisa is pointless?

Do you think Nagisa is pointless?

Not at all. She will rise in the new project. She is a good girl.

i hope homu kill madoka in the sequel

I want her to be killed brutally in the fourth movie.

protip: you literally can not.

I hope she doesn't get brutally killed

She'll live. Who else will live with Mami?

Fuck off, moron.

>Not at all.
Why do you think so? What did Nagisa appear in Rebellion for? It's enough for you to see Sayaka as Madokami's agent. Furthermore, she ruined Mami's character. Also, you just pander to !Bebe.

No one can.

The art is kinda bad.

The art was great.

What makes you think so? What do you think was the reason Nagisa made an appearance in Rebellion? Sayaka was a secretary of sorts to Madoka.

Mami has someone to care for. The most likely reason Bebe was thrown back in Madoka Magica was for things like which sells a lot. Even so, it was nice that she did make her appearance because she had felt bad for what she had done to Mami.

>lawnchair complains that apple cant discuss madoka
>had a small yet nice discussion with apple
Lawnchair confirmed for liar. This is not even the only time I discussed with Apple.

I know not why you listen to the idiot.

>Plot basically gets abandoned and replaced about 40 minutes in
>People act out of character
>Homura goes from #best to frustrating bitch
>Not as good as original animu
>Wholly unnecessary in every way

The art style is nice, though.

It turned Homura from top-tier to absolute irredeemable trash

Yeah, Homura looks really strange in this shot.

Makes for interesting doujins though. Madoka just needs a huge futa cock to slay Homura with.

Homura was always just a thirsty, selfish bitch, though.

Yea, I can't believe I watched this in theaters.

There was about twenty minutes of actual movie buried in an hour and a half of untrimmed fat.

The ~we're all friends who go on a witch hunting treadmill together~ part in particular was about twenty minutes too long. Bebe's character was entirely useless.

Bus-riding scene and cake spell were dragged out. Too many 'look at dis architecture' with nothing else going on.

The visuals in Rebellion are amazing though. I could watch the architecture for 2 hours and like it.

The only reason they fucked the ending so hard was so they could have a new timeline where Sayaka survived.
Urobuchi didn't want to do this in the original series so they made him do it later.

Here, from Urobuchi himself:
>...producer and Shinbo-san got attached to Sayaka and I got the request that “could something be done in the final episode to bring her back to life?”. For me, it was “That's enough.” In “Madoka” Sayaka is a character who would be a problem [to the story] if she was brought back to life

They betrayed good story telling by bringing back the piece of shit Sayaka for Shinbo

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we need your help lads, get in here.

The only people who dislike Rebellion are waifufags buttmad because Homura (MC) is the absolute center of it and their side characters became obsolete.

That's the one and only reason.
All other bullshit about "it's bad development for Homu", "it wasn't needed because my sayaku has no screen time" is laughable.

Madoka Magica was always about Homura.

I hope there will be a season 2, just to shitpost nonstop about it. I wish I visited the original madoka threads when it aired.

No, it's just a mess of a movie on a craft level.

no kissu

I think the odds of her getting killed right in front of the blonde's face to be quite high actually.

Not enough futa Madoka dominating Homu.

>Someone actually checked.

Needed more Homura, less of these other skanks.

The entire second half

It brought us ACK-kun.

No, being against crack shipping shitters has been a thing on this site forever. Look at pic related. It's logs from the Sup Forums staff IRC channel. Here it shows old mods banning shipping cancer like yourself.

Or scissoring

This

It made a hash out of the cosmology of the series while trying to be artsy.

I liked it better when it was just Magical Girls/Incubators vs. Witches before all this God shit happened.

Holy shit!

>useless cheese loli
>The "conclusion"

I want Mami to purify my soul gem!

Why am I saving this?

Isn't that what you want Kyoko to do to you?

Maybe

The threads.

In a sense that is Homura since her subconscious played the part of the nightmares

Not enough Sayakachan though

Thank you for defending my daughteru, Apple-chan. Nagisa is a very good girl. I do not know why so many people attack her now.

Okay, I will give my description of why Nagisa was a good addition to Rebellion.

The first thing she did was with her first appearance as Bebe. She was a sign to the viewer that something was wrong right away. Why was Mami with the witch that killed her? It let you know that things were not all happy like they seemed.

Then, she was the red herring that Homu went after. If she had not been in the story, who would Homu have gone after? There might have been no progression. Nagisa advanced the story by being Homu's target.

Then Nagisa revealed her true form. In the battle at the end she was more of a comic relief than anything else. Her transformation is really cute but also funny. I do think she made sure that the scene was not completely serious. It is good because it helped to make the viewer feel better about what was happening, and set up the complete shift in feeling when Homu initiates her plan later.

And, most importantly, at the very end, we see her with Mami. They are together and they are happy. Mami is not longer alone, and Nagisa has a Mami to fill in for her mother. It is very nice.

It is only 1 person who truly means every attack who just happens to be a severe autist.

>who would Homu have gone after
Sayaka, who should be dead.

The problem isn't so much that Nagisa is unnecessary; but rather that she's more of a plot device than a properly fleshed out character. She's just there for the benefit of the narrative and audience, rather than being part of the story as an individual.

They can fix that in the next project which looked like they did in the concept trailer. I have the strangest feeling Nagisa will have a better time than Kyouko.

it's consistent with the core conflict in the series and what her character was becoming

She did not have a lot of screen time but from what we saw of her I really did like her. I think Apple-chan is right; she will have more time for character development in the next movie.

I really doubt Nagisa will be anything more than a pet for Mami.

>I hope there will be a season 2, just to shitpost nonstop about it. I wish I visited the original madoka threads when it aired.
Mostly this. I miss active Madoka threads.

Goddamn, talk about punishing Homura. Look at Madoka's face!

Not enough raspberry

You're implying that's a flaw

>Mami attaches hidden ribbons to her friends if they ask questions
Reminder that Mami is crazy

But a great pet she will be

What's the point of Rebellion anyway? What was so bad about the original series?

Very boring and very little plot. Felt like fan service was the first priority

I with what said, the plot is spread too thin. I would have preferred seeing any of the spin off manga getting animated over Rebellion.

Right now, I'm choosing to ignore it for now until it gets a follow up.

To expand on Homura's character, draw home the point of her wish, and open the oportunity to milk the series dry

Original series was good, but since it became so popular and the fandom reacted so strongly, they wanted to make a continuation. Even though they didn't (appear to) plan for such a thing.

>Right now, I'm choosing to ignore it for now until it gets a follow up.
I think that's the opposite of what they wanted though. The movie is, to some degree, their attempt to interact with the fandom. Ignoring it will probably just make them think no one wants more Madoka.

>I would have preferred seeing any of the spin off manga getting animated over Rebellion.
Are they at all popular? I haven't even seen fan art of them. Also, secondary stuff, probably not canon, blah blah.

The point of Rebellion was to cash in on Madoka's popularity.

That's why two movies that were barely re-animated but released in theaters at full price were released before Rebellion.

>Ignoring it will probably just make them think no one wants more Madoka.
Hey, I bought the DVDs and the manga that gets translated and released in my region.

Except for the first two movies; fuck that noise. I'm just not thrilled with the blatant cash grab that Rebellion was but I still bought the DVD and the manga.

The manga isn't advertised at all and isn't as well acclaimed. A lot of people might not know that they even exist.

People looking for Madoka fanart typically aren't going to be looking for or commissioning art of the Pleiades Saints or Joan of Arc if they don't know anything about the characters.

But from what I can tell, Different Story is the most popular. Going by fanart; Oriko is the most popular spin off with original characters.

Suzune is by far the least popular. Homura's Revenge is treated as not canon by most English speaking fans since they assume it's another gag manga. But, it's story is serious enough for me to treat it as a canon alternate timeline.

>Nagisa Momoe
Are her and Mami canonically related or something? Or has it just been so long that I forgot?

1. Mami got killed by the witch Charlotte in the anime.

2. A fuckton of fanart of Mami and Charlotte fanart was made after the reveal that magical girls become witches and the pairings of Homura/Madoka and Kyoko/Sayaka stabilized with the fans. This left Mami all alone.

3. In Rebellion, Mami was paired up with Bebe/Nagisa to pander to fans.

3a. Nagisa is Charlotte.

I'm not even talking about just support through buying, but fandom interaction. Fan memes, fan art, fan works, fans interacting, etc.

Ok, but why would they have the same surnames?

That part is setting up Homura's character conflict and that is the entire movie. It's important.

Also Bebe was there because Godoka needed an angel with a trumpet in addition to an angel with a sword.

best girl didn't win the gunfight and had to be bailed out by sayaka.

They are not biologically related. I think you are confused about their names. It is Tomoe Mami, not Momoe Mami. They do not have the same name.

The spin off manga just hasn't attracted a lot of fans. Not a lot of fans = not a lot of fan art and not much to talk about. Have you read any of the manga?

Tomoe and Momoe aren't the same surname.

In my opinion Bebe was just added in to pander to Mami/Charlotte fans. She's not a bad addition to the movie. There's just almost nothing established about her besides being cute and liking cheese (which is also cute). Doesn't help that she doesn't do much on her own in Rebellion's plot.

it was so much better than the original series that many of the tards who sincerely enjoyed that shit failed to appreciate it
that was a real mistake on the part of the production team, they should have put out more empty tedium instead

Both Mami and Kyoko were established to be able to incapacitate Homura despite her being able to stop time. And that was when they weren't at the top of their game.

Rebellion establishes that Kyoko and Mami are one-girl armies if they don't have to worry about rationing out their magic while also being in emotionally stable condition. Especially Mami.

They will soon.