It's become quite clear that there are a lot of people who unironically support this idea, so I was hoping someone could set the record straight on a few things.
Let's say that the Canadian government decided to literally give you Manitoba (or whatever), and you could set up whatever kind of government with whatever kind of rules you want.
You're a white nationalist, so obviously, you want to create a white nationalist state.
1. How do you decide who is allowed to become a citizen? In other words, how you deal with the fact that there are many "whites" with a % non-white ancestry? There are slavs and southern europeans, and there are also a lot of middle eastern folks with light skin who can convincingly pass as white. How do you deal with these people?
2. Would you prohibit a non-white with >100 IQ and right-wing beliefs from becoming a citizen? Or entering the country at all?
3. Would you grant citizenship to leftist whites?
4. What kind of government services do you plan on offering? Healthcare? Education? Police? Courts? Military? Welfare? etc... And what % of the average income do you think you'll need to take from your citizens to finance all of these services?
5. Who leads the country once you're done setting it up? Would you rule as dictator? Or King? Or would you have elected leaders? If you plan to employ some form of democratic system, who will be allowed to vote?
6. How will you prevent leftists from getting into positions of power (news, entertainment, education and government) and effectively taking your state in the direction our society is headed? Remember, you can require right-wing beliefs to gain citizenship, but what is going to stop people from simply lying about their beliefs to get citizenship? From there, they could simply obtain careers in influential positions and begin making changes. How will you prevent this?
7. Are you familiar with any of the issues with government raised by anarchocapitalists and libertarians? If yes, how do you plan on dealing with some of them? I'm talking about the incentive problem (government employees have a financial incentive to abuse their power for personal gain), the calculation problem (government employees are not as good at allocating resources as many individuals following their self-interest), the uninformed voter problem (if you plan on setting up a democracy), and lastly, the monopoly problem (government is essentially a business with a monopoly on the provision of all the services it provides and therefore is not subject to competitive pressures which is bad for consumers).
Luis Murphy
>1. How do you decide who is allowed to become a citizen? In other words, how you deal with the fact that there are many "whites" with a % non-white ancestry? There are slavs and southern europeans, and there are also a lot of middle eastern folks with light skin who can convincingly pass as white. How do you deal with these people? Nuremberg racial laws. You can also do DNA testing to determine phenotype.
>2. Would you prohibit a non-white with >100 IQ and right-wing beliefs from becoming a citizen? Or entering the country at all? Yes. There are billions of asians with IQs over 100.
>3. Would you grant citizenship to leftist whites? Yes.
4,5,6,7 are really the meat of the debate and are really the hard questions. Even in Fascist states there are still leftists, Internationalists and Corporatists. If you make it too repressive no one will want to live there. If you make it too liberal then it wont last long as a white nationalist state.
Adrian Barnes
>Nuremberg racial laws. You can also do DNA testing to determine phenotype. Do you mean if 3/4 of the grandparents are "white" then they are allowed in? So you want 75% white ancestry? Can you elaborate on this? I don't really think this answers the question at all... And going by grandparents doesn't help things at all. We're all a mix of a bunch of different things. Some of us have 1% african blood, some of us have 15%, some of us are mulattoes... Where is the cutoff point? Is there a cutoff point?
Also, allowing self-proclaimed leftists in over >100 IQ foreigners seems like a really fucking bad idea. How do you justify placing so much importance on race when leftists are literal retards who will fuck up your country?
Christopher Ramirez
>We're all a mix of a bunch of different things Bullshit. Even in America, a great majority of white people have no non-white blood at all, and hardly any are even 1% non-white. I assume that would be even more true in Canada. As for me, I wouldn't let in anyone left-wing, unless they are truly repentant after shit really goes down (lie detector tests would be useful). And as for the ones already there, I would punish open leftist sentiments severely (hard labor for years on end, with possible re-education).
Brandon Perez
Genetic testing would be far better, at least 90 or 95% European DNA, with
Luke Foster
> How do you decide who is allowed to become a citizen? Genetic testing and a citizenship test like something the US has, knowing background history, civics, etc. I'd probably set a low-end benchmark as having 75-80% genetic ancestry from European countries. > Would you prohibit a non-white with >100 IQ and right-wing beliefs from becoming a citizen? Or entering the country at all? Yes to the first no to the second, that's literally impossible and doesn't even benefit you. > 3. Would you grant citizenship to leftist whites? Yes, although there would probably be some restrictions on what they'd be allowed to do in terms of speech/activism. > 4. What kind of government services do you plan on offering? Healthcare? Education? Police? Courts? Military? Welfare? etc... And what % of the average income do you think you'll need to take from your citizens to finance all of these services? All of the above and more, probably something approaching basic income, universal healthcare, a food ration allowance, free education for all up to a basic level, and free college for those who show intellectual merit, publicly provided housing for the most part, free drug clinics for addicts along with free counseling, expansive/extensive paternity leave and benefits for parents, free marriage counseling, all among others I'm not mentioning. Taxes would probably be really high and progressive, I'm particularly fond of a land value tax. Also certain natural resources like oil would probably be nationalized to make money for such programs. > 5. Who leads the country once you're done setting it up? I'd probably set up some type of corporatist technocratic syndicalist system of different economic syndicates like agriculture, labor organization, manufacturing, etc. making laws together. > How will you prevent leftists from getting into positions of power That's a tough one that I've devoted a lot of thought too. Firstly Judaism would/will be banned. Continue in next post, too long.
Nicholas Gray
It is quite simple i don't see the controversy. Nuremberg racial laws were used the by National Socialist government of Germany. If it was good enough for them to determine racial purity then it should be good enough for us. If you want me to determine something arbitrary as white then it is 3/4 grandparents who have a Native European phenotype as that is the generally accepted definition of white.
Austin Watson
>3. Would you grant citizenship to leftist whites?
Fuck no, white leftists are self-hating TRAITORS and worse than even the lowest IQ nigger ape criminal.
Mason Johnson
> 6. How will you prevent leftists from getting into positions of power > Continued: Additionally, it's now known based on some repeated/repeatable studies that political beliefs are largely heritable and that Right-neurotypical "Genetic conservatives" have different observable physical properties than Left-neurotypical "Genetic liberals". Many of these can be observed at a young age, so what we then need to do is create incentivized breeding/eugenics programs which favor genetically Right-leaning people so that the society drifts/stays that way over time. > 7. Are you familiar with any of the issues with government raised by anarchocapitalists and libertarians? If yes, how do you plan on dealing with some of them? I'm talking about the incentive problem (government employees have a financial incentive to abuse their power for personal gain), the calculation problem (government employees are not as good at allocating resources as many individuals following their self-interest), the uninformed voter problem (if you plan on setting up a democracy), and lastly, the monopoly problem (government is essentially a business with a monopoly on the provision of all the services it provides and therefore is not subject to competitive pressures which is bad for consumers). With a largely white, high-trust population I'm not too worried about most of it, Denmark, Iceland, Germany, Finland, and Sweden all do pretty fine, that's really all I'd care about or aim for, just for a country which was racially aware and knew the importance of demographics. Really all I want is Denmark or Iceland or something like it, a well-functioning white country with free markets and an acceptable level of individual freedom which cares for its citizens.
> Identify white haplogroups > demand 75%+ DNA belonging to said haplogroups > in practice allow 50%+ to allow enough people to feel like they've been given leniency while still improving the genetic stock of white nations > deport everyone else > remember that the ocean is international territory for those who don't have dual citizenship
Dylan Martin
As far as I'm aware, many southern europeans have north african or middle eastern ancestry (
Henry Ward
How does such a country last when many other countries wouldn't want to ally with them?
Josiah Gray
>1. How do you decide who is allowed to become a citizen? pic related OP. 100% white is as practicable as almost 100% white; fringe cases aren't important.
The US Supreme Court ruled Asian Indians were caucasian but not white less than 100 years ago. I'm sure we can figure it out how to implement white only citizenship again.
Jack Gutierrez
1. Scientific studies show that people can self-report race with upwards of 99.5% accuracy, even among so-called "grey areas" like "Hispanic". Therefore if you lie in your self-reporting you will be asked to leave.
2. Yes. A large part of the problem with the third world is we have been stealing the high IQ, cream of the crop. These people should be staying in the homelands so they can improve them, not fleeing to the West.
3. Yes. We can have a liberal society that values individualism in a homogeneous white nation. However, we will need to curb Marxist propaganda, feminism, race denial, etc in schools and media.
4. Yes to all of the above. Less money than is currently spent supporting the non-white tax base today. Alternative Hypothesis on YouTube recently did a video where he broke down the tax base into white, black, and hispanic. The blacks and hispanics take more than they put into the system, with the whites shouldering the burden.
6. We may have to institute some kind of affirmative-action quota for political beliefs so that all sides are equally represented or represented by demographic reality. Since most whites living in a white ethnostate will naturally lean right, it won't be difficult to spot subversives.
7. Voting will be restricted to men who own property.
Jeremiah Foster
also fuck democracy
John Sanders
Well back then things were a bit simpler... we didn't have DNA tests capable of detecting non-white ancestors going back many generations. There's also been this whole race-mixing thing that's been going on for the last little while, to the point where we must have a significant number of mixes. Then there's the question of which ethnic groups are white. There are many different ethnic groups which have light skin.. Are they all white?
Blake Morris
>who is allowed to become a citizen? dna tests are cheap and the vast majority of whites are 100percent european. i would also specifically limit citizenship by iq AND military service. it would also be a good idea to regulate the voting rights of the indebted. from there reproductive rights can be controlled and it doesn't matter so much if there are fake whites. citizenship should not be in any way automatic, and should carry responsibility as well as privilege.
>smart non-whites they're welcome to visit, but no they shouldn't be citizens since you can't expect them to even try to look out for someone else's people. its about the people, the iq is just the negative argument.
>leftist whites? this is fine, actually. i would expect the nation to be ambitious, and from that ambition you can create scarcity, requiring austerity and precluding libertines as a matter of practicality. hard men create good times etc. sans libertinism and marxist parasite farming, the left/right paradigm is irrelevant.
>Healthcare? for accidents but not for negligence or genetic defects. ancaps might argue, but this is one of the main points of governance, otherwise you might as well be in a state of nature
>Education? private. a state-recognized system of testing and accredation are all that's needed.
>Police? citizens should be responsible for their communities. they should be armed and available to help. a white community should be able to reasonably police itself. a professional force would only be needed in heavily urban areas which i don't recommend.
>Courts? jury of citizens, local law.
>Military? all citizens
>Welfare? none unless privately organized
>Taxes a progressive tax will function fine as long as there are positive checks on the poor. this has been absent from most socialisms. rates to maintain scarcity with surplus going to infrastructure and large projects
>leader confidence vote of sufficient citizenship a la joint-stock company
Blake Hughes
>leftists >incentive problem >calculation problem >uninformed voter problem >monopoly problem
a limited enfranchisement that carries duties
a central task can unify the state with the community. i suggest a mars colony.
Ian Roberts
Radical capitalism in these (((multiculti))) countries is truly all that is necessary to cleanse them. Niggers wouldn't be able to fend for themselves, and they'd die due to the lack of welfare, the ones that do manage, are not nearly numerous enough to destroy white civilization. Spics and Arabs will have an identical fate. If we implement radical capitalism we will only have 1% of blacks and 1% of the spics and Arabs left. White nationalism would be perfectly and peacefully achieved, without talking race, Balkanizing or genociding anyone. Closing the borders is necessary also. Pic related, it's what they're doing
Jose Powell
So what about jewish ancestry? There are a lot of europeans with some % of jewish ancestry...
Also, I ask again... Many ethnic groups have light skin... which ethnic groups count as white? Surely near wherever you place the geographical border of "whiteness" you're going to find a lot of mixes...
No one seems to want to talk about the southern europeans with african or middle eastern ancestry. Are they still white?
Between jewish mixes, border mixes, southern european mixes and combined with all the recent race-mixing... I'm not seeing anyone who is even going close to the issue here. Everyone just wants to pretend there will be no mixes? No one wants to say which of the many light-skinned ethnic groups are part of the "white race"?
Elijah Richardson
It isn't skin colour it is ancestry get the concept of light skin = white out of your head it is messing with you. >what about Jewish Ancestry Jews are Semites and not European. >Southern Europeans are Africans. Stop. Southern Europeans are Europeans still Europeans. >Between jewish mixes, border blah blah blah Why cant you comprehend Phenotype and Haplo Group.
Logan Jones
>Jews are Semites and not European. Many people have done DNA tests, and they are 12% ashkenazi, 8% ashkenazi, whatever. The point is, they are mostly european, but a small % jewish, or some other type of "non-european" as you put it. This is very common. Just because you're from germany, it doesn't mean you're 100% german. You could be 80% german, 10% french, 10% ashkenazi or whatever... And you could still have 4 german grand parents and all the french and jews in your family could be from older generations.
Many europeans have some % of non-white DNA. Those europeans breed with other europeans, and the non-white DNA % changes again. And again, and again.
When southern europeans get tested, it's common to see a small % of middle-eastern DNA and even african DNA... this is why I keep asking about these people. I didn't say they were African... no idea where you got this from...
I understand that not all light-skinned ethnic groups are considered white, this is why I'm asking which ones ARE considered white. Are slavs white?
Jack Taylor
I find it really strange that no one is providing a list of which ethnic groups are part of the white race... seems like a fairly straight forward request...
I assume if someone was 100% british, french, german or scandinavian they are obviously white... But as you approach the border of europe, I'm not sure where you guys draw the line of "whiteness"... Can someone clarify this?
Samuel Wright
>Let's say that the Canadian government decided to literally give you Manitoba (or whatever), and you could set up whatever kind of government with whatever kind of rules you want.
>country created by white people is so cucked that white people now only can rule a part of it, and only because it was a gibsmedat from the shitskin-loving LGBT-sympathizing leftist cuck government
Joshua Butler
We don't want gibs you faggot nigger leaf. We want are fucking homelands back.
Ethan Ross
>are homelands lol but seriously... why don't you imagine that you and the other white nationalists cucked trudeau and the rest of us leafs by capturing manitoba (or whatever other province you want there probably wouldnt be much of a fight we'd probly just give you guys w/e you wanted) with all your guns and stuff. now what? how you gonna run that shit?
Wyatt Miller
it really isn't that common. something like 97+ percent are 100 percent.
>slavs see haplogroup chart already posted to you. not even a straw man.
Benjamin Kelly
>how you going to run that shit?
it seems like you're suggesting that it would be more difficult without dependant races. that's stupid, there are zero forms of government that aren't easier to administer with more white homogeneity. it can be run any way they like and be more efficient. hell, i've seen commies put up numbers that show that they could make it work without all the deadweight
Brandon Nguyen
White Nationalism is retarded as fuck and can never be in line with a NS/Fascist worldview
A race isn't a nation, just like a nation isn't a species. Saying white nationalism is just as retarded as saying human nationalism, neither are nations and NATION is in the name NATIONalism
All your stupid questions just show how really stupid white nationalism is
Elijah Cruz
>see haplogroup chart already posted to you. not even a straw man. ????? I saw the chart. What am I supposed to be seeing? There are a bunch of pie charts representing "Y Haplogroups of Europe". This is close to meaningless to me and it looks like there are gradual changes as you move away from europe, so where exactly is the line of whiteness drawn? You just post an image and think that answers all the questions I asked? lol...
I'll ask again... which ethnic groups are part of the "white race"? Or how about this, which of those pie charts are "white"?
>it really isn't that common. something like 97+ percent are 100 percent. Where are you getting your data on this?
Sebastian Murphy
I say throw it to the free market and let the chips fall where they may. A hundred different proprietary communities will come up with a hundred different solutions.
Luis Rogers
Simple. 1. Only whites who have an ancestry of less than 5% of anything else. This is more than enough to prevent inbreeding.
2. Prohibitions on any non white person below 90 IQ points, 90 is more than enough and not everybody needs to be super intelligent, its more import that they're white.
3. No lefty ideologies allowed, strict right wing only. Libertarians are allowed.
4. Healthcare, education, police, law and military are all running on individual non-profit business sustained by a combination of payments from customers and government subsidies. Its not free and its not socialized. Its in unison with the efforts that individuals apply and the governments obligation to them.
5. Ofcourse the system will be National Socialist structure with elected leaders until one demonstrated unmatched aptitude to lead the country. When such people appear they are granted dictatorial powers other than war powers.
6. Only conservative values such as family, being smart with money and opposing degeneracy will be allowed to be in news, entertainment, education and government.
7. Draconian laws surrounding where politicians get their money from and how they spend it. Severe penalties for abuse of power. Mandatory education by means of internet and libraries as well as tutors. The means of education will not be by classroom but rather by drive and allow those with passions to indulge in them. To solve uninformed voters there will be mandatory town meetings where everyone is forced to express both their opinions and ignorance mandating the mayors to address them. Foreign monopolies are addressed with import tax, domestic monopolies are addressed with value added tax and government monopolies are addressed with laws mandating that government cannot be the sole provider of any good and must encourage competition for the health of both the market and to encourage innovation.
Jace Anderson
>If it was good enough for them to determine racial purity then it should be good enough for us. >If it was good enough for a short-lived fascist state 75 years ago that couldn't even conceive of a cellular phone, it's good enough for us You're just a LARPing faggot
Connor Robinson
We already have a white nation-state, it's only a matter of taking it back from the traitors and invaders.
>How do you decide who is allowed to become a citizen? In other words, how you deal with the fact that there are many "whites" with a % non-white ancestry? That's not the case. 1-2% of low confidence noise is irrelevant. >Would you prohibit a non-white with >100 IQ and right-wing beliefs from becoming a citizen? Yes, it's an ethnostate, not an IQ-state. >Or entering the country at all? Vetted non-whites would likely be given visitation and temporary guest visas. >Would you grant citizenship to leftist whites? Probably not; they claim they love the multikulti and that diversity is their strength, so they should live their ideology and relocate to Africa. >What kind of government services do you plan on offering? Healthcare? Education? Police? Courts? Military? Welfare? Depends on various contexts. Governmental policy should be adaptive and responsive to actual needs rather than a slate of idealized one-size-fits-all solutions. >Who leads the country once you're done setting it up? As an American, I favor patriarchal republicanism as the political system: political office and the franchise restricted to married white males with at least one child (with the added restrictions that the marriage must be the first and only marriage of either partner and the child must be born in wedlock). I would keep the tripartite federal system the Founders established, though I'd favor reform to weaken the judiciary and the executive branches which have grown overmighty over the the past century and a half.
Joseph Wilson
1. 7/8th or greater Western European genetics. Genetic testing for all, like they do in Israel.
2. NO. It doesn't matter. They might have 100 IQ and then their kids are 80 IQ and start ghettos like Chicago.
3. Deport leftist whites.
4. As a national socialist I think in order to maintain population you need socialist policies that promote birth rates by White women (IE tax cuts per child, loans with reduced interest per child etc). Military and police is obviously needed, but not as much as multicultural democracies. Court system with common law. No welfare generally. Probably hybrid privatized health care. No welfare unless for a specific reason like requirement to boom birth rates.
5. No to democracy. It will destroy the country. It has to be a constitutional monarchy or it's successor, fascism.
Kevin Bennett
See America isn't a nation, and hasn't been for at least 160+ years. Whether white or non-white.
Levi Richardson
>WN can never be in line with a fashy weltanschauung
orly? i always figured that having biologically driven intelligence and temperaments would simplify fascism significantly, not to mention having family groups driving loyalty
so you're what, a cosmopolitan fash elitist? i guess a starship troopers thing with eugenics, then? capitalism?
Robert Barnes
National Socialism/Fascism believes heavily in race and nation, and race is an integral part of the nation, but a RACE IS NOT A FUCKING NATION not like a humanity isn't a fucking race
National Socialism/Fascism embraces ethnic-nationalism and racial ideas, but any concept of "race nationalism" is incoherent and goes against the ideas of truth.
>obvious d+c that was already answered nope >where's your data 23andme released that last year. everybody in the us who thought they were 1/64th whateverthefuck indian or whatever, wasn't. its more or less just a myth. miscegenation among whites is exceedingly rare in the bigger picture. its class suicide.
Matthew Cox
>1. Only whites who have an ancestry of less than 5% of anything else. This is more than enough to prevent inbreeding. Ever got your dna tested? It's not an exact science. For example, my results say 39% great britain, but when I click more info, it says between 12-68%. That's an absolutely fucking massive margin of error. How do you even determine how white a person is with this level of technology? 5% is just an estimate, and there is a massive margin of error on that number, apparently...
I've asked this a few times already, but I'll try again. What exactly is white? Which ethnic groups are part of the "white race"? You guys act like this is self-evident, but it quite clearly is not. As you go from northwest europe to the south and east, you get gradual changes. Where do these people go from being part of the "white race" to being "non-white"?
Nathaniel Green
>How will you prevent leftists from getting into positions of power Restricting full citizenship status to married white fathers will go a long way of weeding out most leftists due to their lifestyle choices. The primary means of keeping subversives and traitors from positions of power is eternal vigilance. >the incentive problem The personal success of the ruling class must be inextricably intertwined with the well-being of the folk and the proper administration of the state; their lives and the lives of their entire line must depend on the honest execution of their duties. >the calculation problem Has never been definitively established and is largely a matter of subjective judgement and selection biases in the particular regimes being held up as examples. >monopoly problem This is a values "problem", ie it's only a problem if you particularly value the facilitation of consumerism.
Logan Young
can you answer the questions? and can you link me to this data? I would love to take a look.
Evan Hill
for everyone saying deport leftist whites, do you think people should value ideology over family? why would anyone live in your country if their family members are being deported? and 2 right wing parents can have leftist children, should their children be deported too?
Jason Bell
>5% this is probably fine as long as some basic genetic screening is instituted >90% democracy fails at that average, see intelligence and the wealth of nations. i would suggest to accept them as citizens but sterilize at a g that rises until we reach a replacement rate. limited enfranchisement is also an option here. >no leftists that's difficult in practice, they can just constantly produce bad ideas to sabotage progress like they do now. they can say they're right wing all they like. >ancap whatever >dictator sweet >censorship probably dangerous in the long run. propaganda can sabotage decision-making. >that's a lot of mandates
Evan Reed
>America isn't a nation The historic American stock, the white American nation whose ancestors arrived prior to Hart-Celler Act, have a coherent series of regional cultures united by an over-arching national culture, common ancestral roots, common lifeways. There is an American nation and various American regional sub-nations, though rootless urbanites and suburbanites are likely alienated from this.
Matthew Butler
No, it just goes against your autism.
Jacob Jackson
Are you that fucking sheltered? Do you seriously not get out enough to know what America has become?
Any sense of American "nationhood" has died long ago, as demonstrated from either the civic sense of "Americanism" or a retarded sense of "white nationalism".
Are you actually from the United States? If you're looking at a book from 150 years ago, your analysis would be correct. But now, the very fucking core of the country is anti-nation, degenerate, and shit.
>Are you that fucking sheltered? I don't live in a third world urban core. Get out into Real America.
Benjamin Gomez
so would you give me a 3 or a 4 out of 7 so far?
Christopher Campbell
so a 3 or a 4 out of 7 so far?
Ayden Young
>we know. we just don't know why you keep asking. because you're not answering... why on earth you think posting another image answers this question, I really don't know. are you just trolling? what is so difficult about this?
can you list, in writing please, which ethnic groups make up the "white race"? I'm starting to think you don't actually know since you keep dodging this question.
Carson Turner
I literally don't know any of my ancestors who haven't come from colonial settlers, and I live in a place where probably a huge chunk of people can say the same, but I am not sheltered enough to think for even one fucking moment that these communities have any hope. I have traveled around the country to cities, suburbs, and rural areas, and looking at that and also demography will be able to tell you that this sense of "Americanism" no longer exists as a "nation" and a few scattered sheltered communities means nothing.
Americanism, "white nationalism", all need to be thrown in the fucking garbage, so something new and organic can rise from the ashes
What you are basically doing is LARPing for the past that is dead and will never fucking come back. Ever. What exists now is our enemy, and we need to focus on destroying that.
Connor Perez
yea DNA testing has massive flaws theres no doubting that, but thats why i made my numbers so tight. I would say the moment where the cleche ethnicities from europe become less than 60% the person is no longer considered white but its more notable in the melanin which is entirely accurately measurable. There are people with high european ethnicities who are more orange than white which is more of an asian trait but they are still very much european and very much white.
Jaxson Martin
>muh score
oh shit, look at those trips!
i just think that your responses indicate a libertarian protofash. a mandate/ban mentality rather than trying for a more elegant design that makes things happen incidentally. a people doing a thing in a place, and all else follows.
Michael White
>land value tax Everything else you said is good shit too.
Andrew Cooper
the word you might be looking for is Serendipity
Carter Hernandez
>newfag asks a bunch of retarded "gotcha" questions assuming Sup Forums has facebook rules and everyone will gasp. >receives well thought out, nuanced answers. >GOTCHA BUT WHO WAS WHITE??????
OP must be either 12 years old or in his freshmen year of sociology.
Easton Clark
I am asking questions because I'm interested in what white nationalists believe as more and more people subscribe to this ideology. Not trying to come up with "gotcha" questions I'm trying to understand how you think a white nationalist state would operate. If you read the questions, you might understand this. You're obviously just incredibly insecure.
Also thank you to everyone who has replied. Except this faggot.
Asher Morris
if you were both legitimately interested in white nationalism and carrying a +100 IQ, you would start by consulting the literature and history. The doctrine of fascism can be read in a few hours and if you had spent even 10 minutes actually looking you would have found it. Additionally I am sure you are aware of the history of several nationalist countries. You are either an idiot or disingenuous, that is, a shill. Whichever you are, you are not welcome.
>BUT WHO WAS WHITE??????
clearly not you.
Michael Barnes
In all honesty, national socialism was an ideology that was more than 100 years in the making and may seem complicated by really isnt. Its more like looking after your own people first and wishing everyone else would too. Its not hating the other side, much like how you would put your own kid first before others. Its not that you hate the other kids, its that your obligation is to your kid i.e. your kind before others. You should help the poor homeless person down the street before you help the wandering refugee.
Nicholas Sanchez
Asked and answered.
Kevin Gonzalez
>le bad faith question face Every fucking thread
Luis Ward
This white nationalism shit is a relatively new phenomenon. Sure it has roots in the past, but this "movement" is a response to recent history. Feel free to direct me to some literature about the recent white nationalism trend so I can review it. In the mean time, I would like to hear what some of the white nationalists on this board have to say since this place seems to be overrun with them.
You can believe what you want, but really... I am legitimately interested in what actual self-proclaimed white nationalists think. That's why I made this post. That's why I'm asking questions. I don't mean to obsess on the "who is white" thing, and I would not have, if the question was simply answered. But time and time again, it has been asked and left unanswered. How hard is it to give a list of ethnic groups which make up the white race? It's a fucking straight forward question and if you can't answer, I really fail to see how you can call yourself a white nationalist. It's not supposed to be a "gotcha" question, it's supposed to be a question that I assumed a fucking WHITE NATIONALIST would have a good answer for that I was simply unable to think of myself. Honestly... why is that such a triggering question for you? Is it perhaps, because you don't have an answer and is that perhaps because you haven't put any real thought into what you believe? Feel free to answer the question and watch me not ask again. That's all you need to do and I'll drop it... Just answer! lmao!
Honestly, for once someone actually cares what you have to say and wants to hear what you believe, and you question their motives and insult them. The problem here is you, not me. I'm not trying to trap you. I'm just trying to find out what you folks think. Don't be such a faggot.
Jackson Carter
Fuck up you stupid mutt.
Jonathan Collins
Why is it so triggering when I ask you for a list of ethnic groups which make up the white race? There's actually another thread going with a nice image (pic related)... This is all I'm trying to find out... who do you people consider white? Where is the line drawn? ANd now I'm wondering why you're all getting so fucking triggered by this question?
And where's the 23andme data? I tried googling and didn't find anything. Would love to take a look.
Caleb Smith
You can see the races by using you fucking eyes nigger.
Samuel Ortiz
First immigration law of Usa limited immigration to whites only. This is literally white nationalism in 1790, you are full of shit and ignorant as fuck.
Caleb Myers
So again, a WHITE nationalist reads my question and does not provide a list of ethnic groups that make up the "white race"... Is there something complicated about the question? What is the problem here?
I suppose maybe it seems like a stupid question to you guys... but surely someone could just answer and we could move on from this?
Cooper Russell
>South Italian >white bitch please
Christopher Williams
Yes and times have changed since 1790, right? White nationalism is gaining popularity, right? This is a recent trend, right? So I'm wondering how you folks think this will work in 2017. Now how it worked in 1790.
Henry Long
Because there is no fucking point beyond your mindless divide and conquer kikery. We can list the ethnic arabs and niggers and asians to it doesn't fucking mean anything, we have fucking eyes.
Carter Scott
>This white nationalism shit is a relatively new phenomenon.
nope.
>Feel free to direct me to some literature about the recent white nationalism trend so I can review it.
the OP said nothing about 'recent white nationalism', you need to tighten your posts up. OP just asked about white nationalism, which is not a new movement at all.
>actual self-proclaimed white nationalists think. as opposed to non-actual non-proclaimed white nationalists?
>I'm legitimately interested in this whole movement >but I'll sperg out only on 1 part of it and continue to write paragraphs of posts about this one part only and disregard ALL the other questions I asked in ALL my other posts, almost as if I only cared about this one question, almost as if I'm shilling about it, almost as if I'm fitting the pattern on Sup Forums for the past several months of divide and conquer shilling that is going on non-stop.
Liam Wilson
Fuck off you retard, everyone knows who is white or not, if you would not know there would not be anti white policies of affirmative action. Why don't they define who is white? Why don't you ever ask them? Why don't you ask who is really black, jew or Asian? Because really all your questions are just here to deconstruct white identity in particular. All your questions are in bad faith and you don't deserve any answers.
Oliver Sanchez
Europeans with 3/4 grand parents that are Europeans themselves. Why is this so hard? What Ethnicities are European? See the Haplogroup charts being posted.
Tyler Myers
my immigration rules: 1. no unemployed people 2. no people with an empty bank account 3. no single women over 25 4. no muslims 5. no niggers 6. 80% european genes at least 7. no leftists, socialists or people who think the state should provide roads (mens no natsocs welcome) 8. invent test for r-selected scum and filter it out 9. only people who can comprehend and implement the NAP (means no one under IQ of 115) 10. no criminals 11. no mentally ill (includes trannies, depressive, etc) 12. no fags 13. no russians
Ethan Campbell
1. Most people of middle eastern origin really don't pass as White, and distinguishing them from Southern Europeans is not difficult. But checking last names and family history records can always help resolve fringe cases. Again, despite the narrative the media pushes most self-identified Whites (>95%) do not have any traceable non-White ancestry. The point is to make the society normatively White, not necessarily 100% racially pure. Even if you gave all every "racially ambiguous" person a pass our situation would be drastically improved anyway.
2. There are a variety of reasons why non-Whites who have a reason to visit our country can of course stay temporarily, regardless of their IQ. But they will not be allowed to marry natives or have the possibility of gaining citizenship. This temporary class of visitors would remain less than a percent of the total population.
3. Yes, but that doesn't mean they would have political power. Most Whites would not even have the right to vote ideally. Leftists would be allowed to voice their opinions but policies that lead to White ethnocide would be seen as reprehensible and taken off the table for debate in polite society much like WN politics are today.
4. The structure of government would not need to be radically different from the ones we have today.
5. Enlightened aristocracy kept in check by a level of democratic power given to White land-owning men of good character.
6. Everything is slated for decay eventually and no government lasts forever. Ultimately the best way to crush internal dissent to provide the conditions for a healthy society to flourish. The education system will teach the necessity of biological realities, evolution, and racial health as common sense good things.
7. White people have a long tradition of building functional governments that have led to us organizing large-scale empires spanning the entire world. Autistic libertarian quibbles about muh free markets don't keep me up at night.
Cameron Russell
Yeah there will never be a white etho state created in the future. Anyone who thinks that could happen successfully is LARPing.
Even if you somehow create one successfully and set it up to maintain itself, power WILL corrupt and society WILL become corrupted. Leftism WILL enter under the guise of "mah personal freedoms" and you will just be back where you started, albeit with only white people around.
Sebastian Ross
The only whites part was until 1960 and this does not delegitimize anything USA was made, built and for whites. This a fact, and founding fathers knew who was white or not they knew to whom they wanted to limit immigration and had no problems enforcing those laws. If you really give a shit and I know you don't, go watch alternative hypothesis videos.
Aiden Sanders
>There will never be a white etho state created in the future. They literally exist right now, fucking Canadians man your people are very retarded.
Julian Miller
>and you will just be back where you started, albeit with only white people around.
if there are only white people around you will by definition NOT by 'back where you started'.
Bentley Young
My country is white only...
Tyler Brooks
>White Nationalism is retarded as fuck and can never be in line with a NS/Fascist worldview Funny how you say it, since NS is pan-germanic nationalism and Fascism is high authority system which doesn't care about race... As an amerimutt, you probably thought National Socialism is pan-european ideology...
Angel Cox
People probably thought the same about a lot of movements. Yes there will be left cucks, but I highly doubt there would be that many. We probably wouldn't fall for the same shit the second time around, and if you successfully get some sort of power under white nationalism most people would be redpilled anyways. Honestly I'd rather try then be taken over by pajeet and lee.
Jace Thomas
Usa is a nation of whites Why do I have to defend your own identity more than you do, how gaslit are you fag
Hunter Baker
>Genetic test. Muslims, Jews banned. >No. world needs people who can tolerate braindead jobs >There would one state/province(hopefully an island) that has a system that attracts and siphons them away from the rest of country. >Typical ones. Without minorities and other dead weight the private or private route will be far cheaper >Revoke universal suffrage, only married can vote for legislature. Executive branch only males can vote. Head of state is an elected monarch, has no legislative power. Has a Kings purse to fund cultural and traditional events/objects.
Elijah Jackson
>Who are we then? Who is white? Who is European? A simple but pragmatic answer is that we are the branch of the Caucasian race that has inhabited Europe since the last Ice Age. Pragmatically, this common ancestry embraces all groups that we recognize as Europeans, but also excludes the non-European Caucasians in the Middle East, the Caucasus Mountains, and Central and South Asia.
A lot of you in this thread appear to be anti-democracy....
Allow me to remind you that it was only through the indirect Republican system of governance that policies regarding non-White immigration could be made that the majority of Whites were not in favour of.
Even today, at the height of anti-White conditioning, opinion polls suggest that directly asking the people of Europe (and I think America, but I'm not certain) as to whether they want ANY more immigration receives a negative response.
The pic I have related only accounts for Muslim immigration, but there is reason enough to use this as a proxy for the general sentiment of the nations asked.
Wyatt Lee
>literally defeatist faggot Just fucking end yourself already
Joshua Rodriguez
>1. How do you decide who is allowed to become a citizen? In other words, how you deal with the fact that there are many "whites" with a % non-white ancestry? There are slavs and southern europeans, and there are also a lot of middle eastern folks with light skin who can convincingly pass as white. How do you deal with these people? if you have white skin then you're white
>2. Would you prohibit a non-white with >100 IQ and right-wing beliefs from becoming a citizen? Or entering the country at all? No, while it can be tempting to do so, these gifted people should work towards building their own homelands, i see merit based immigration as theft from other sovereign states
>3. Would you grant citizenship to leftist whites? No
>4. What kind of government services do you plan on offering? Healthcare? Education? Police? Courts? Military? Welfare? etc... And what % of the average income do you think you'll need to take from your citizens to finance all of these services? Socialised healthcare (although if everyone is white then there's no real class discrepancy to even begin with). Parents educate their own children, they must adhere to a fundamental rubric, after a certain age the child is free to decide whether to work or begin higher education in a state university.
>5. Who leads the country once you're done setting it up? Would you rule as dictator? Or King? Or would you have elected leaders? If you plan to employ some form of democratic system, who will be allowed to vote? absolutely zero democracy is allowed, I wouldn't mind an aristocracy but these days there's no pure royal blood left, but i think a more elaborate mode of hierarchy could be possible
Colton Morris
Do you guys know what the words "created" and "future" mean? Because I told you that there won't be any new white ethnostates popping up, your argument is "but there are old ones!".
You call me retarded but you can't even read English properly.
But we came from white ethnostates and then retarded white people let minorities move in so they could "work". So tell me again how you wouldn't be back where you started? Where you do think the leftist cucks came from? They came from conservative lineage...
Look, I know that this LARP gives you guys hope and feelings that maybe the future won't be so bad. But it's just a LARP and that's it, there is literally no way this will ever be like you guys picture it in your heads. Sorry to rain on your parade.
Samuel Perez
>So tell me again how you wouldn't be back where you started?
Direct democracy. The people never got a say in this arrangement.
If your argument is that Europeans are genetically predisposed to being too tolerant and empathetic for their own good, then that is a challenging problem to face.
I suppose I'd suggest that Europeans were never really in favour of this, the lack of White nationalism only ever came about due to relentless conditioning on the part of the media to hate the concept of their own being.
Hence why Eastern Europe doesn't have these problems. They are of the race of Whites, but their environment is dissimilar. Thus, the problem must lie in our current ideology, not in our blood.
Also, see my previous post:
William Rodriguez
>Muh NAP >Tons of rules to prevent free movement thus nap violated Try again.
Oliver Allen
No there are ones in the modern world right now people posting in this thread live in them. For fucks sake.
David Walker
You aren't actually presenting any arguments. White Nationalists thinking they can gain political power is no more naive than believing that a multiracial globalist empire could never fall. The forces that drive history are mysterious and often unpredictable, but once in an while they present opportunities for political paradigms to shift. I see blackpilling a cowardly excuse to lay back and not invest anything in the future.
Logan Martinez
>Do you guys know what the words "created" and "future" mean? Because I told you that there won't be any new white ethnostates popping up, your argument is "but there are old ones How is this an argument? 30 and 99 years ago independent Lithuania was just a dream and look at us now still here still legitimate and we drew that legitimacy from the past, just as Americans whites can do the same and reclaim their country as we did.
Kevin Reed
>retarded white people let minorities move in (((fellow whites)))
