How well does Saint Seiya hold up?
I generally like mecha shows from the 80s, and I like Dragonball, but I've never gotten into Saint Seiya for some reason. It's got a lot of episodes so I'll have plenty of material to keep me entertained, at least hypothetically. But since it's an earlier shonen series I'd assume it'll have a lot of undeveloped stuff that while impressive at the time wouldn't be too notable nowadays.
Your thoughts?
I fucking love Saint Seiya but it aged like milk, both the manga and the original anime. Perhaps the best thing about the manga are the armor designs, some are nice to look at.
The Spin-offs Episode G and Saintia Sho receive a lot of good comments, though. I never read them so I can't give you an opinion.
I would recommend to stay away from the spin-off AND the OAV unless you really enjoy the vanilla series.
I like this anime. A lot. I am personally more of a manga fan (there are some difference between the anime and the manga), but the Anime has some of the best music I have heard in a show.
Though, I would advise to start with the original anime (as the manga at its start has an old style that can be really off-putting for new readers) up until the end of the Poseidon Saga, then attack the Hades Saga with the Manga first (as I consider it better than the Hades anime).
That's my advise.
It doesn't hide its age (which to me is a plus to be honest, it's basically all the maymay HOTBLOOD you see nowadays but taking itself seriously). But if you're talking classic shounen and casting off nostalgia glasses, the anime has aged a lot better than classic DBZ (I grew up with the original soundtrack, boyos, and it's pure arse even if it fits some scenes. Also chapters don't take up 20 minutes to have 2 minutes worth of coverage according to the manga, either).
If you like 80s shounen you know what you're getting into really.
>but the Anime has some of the best music I have heard in a show.
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The saga of the 12 houses is top tier, Odin not so much and then Poseidon saga is cool.
Ades saga only holds up on it's first 13 episodes then it starts to go to shit, as for the movies i only like the legend of the crimson youth and Heaven chapter but this last one is kinda weird.
Oh and as some user mentioned the music is incredibly good.
>as for the movies i only like the legend of the crimson youth and Heaven chapter but this last one is kinda weird.
None of the movies are good, IMO. Staying away from the OVA unless you are really into it is the best advice I can give.
>Ades saga
Which OVA
>if you like 80s shounen
I don't really know much about it besides Fist of the North Star, Dragonball, and JJBA, now that I think about it.
Were there a lot of shonen manga in the 80s that got anime adaptations? The only other thing that I could think of would be Ranma.
This is important, from which country are you from?
80s shounen is still basically what sets the rules overall (FRIENDSHIP, struggle, so on) for stuff nowadays, just they tended to be bloodier and more to the point back then. And they sort of had this really sincere attitude about MANLINESS and MANLY TEARS and things of the sort you don't see around much anymore.
I never said they were good or true to the source material i only said i like them.
USA. It was popular in Europe, right? Kind of like Getter Robo. I've got a friend from Cameroon who said he saw it as a kid.
Oh yeah, I figured. But what anime adaptations are there besides the one I listed?
I think you listed the big blockbusters that made the waves in other countries, but be assured there's a huge surplus of stuff in Japan. Countries where SS did extraordinarily well even got the SS knockoffs too (Samurai Troopers and Shurato).
All of them. At least all of those from the Orignal anime.
Though I don't count the Hades Saga as OVA.
Oh, boy. You should stay away from the fandom unless you enjoy being surrounded by spics constantly yelling at your hear how shitty modern Saint Seiya is.
Regarding Europe, Saint Seiya was popular in France, Spain and Italy. It was in South America where it exploded.
You should try the Cartoon Network DIC dub, it's fucking hysterical. You have Hyoga, the no messing around Ice Saint saying gems like "Chill, big ugly guy!" or "The Ice Man's coming, baby!"
ADV did release a serious English dub for DVD... it's average, sadly. Not spectacular but good enough to be unworthy of mocking.
But you will most likely see it subbed. Good luck finding good subs. I heard the English SS subs are pretty bad.
>You should try the Cartoon Network DIC dub, it's fucking hysterical.
Only after having seen the original. This is how you enjoy a good parody.
Why are spics universally the worst anime fans?
The ONLY OVAs in the original series are the Hades episodes. All the others were produced for and shown in theaters. You are against calling the only actual OVAs for classic Saint Seiya what they are
watch up to the 12 houses, but make sure to read the manga's version of the last fight, as it's a lot different. Then switch to the manga (unless your from a country that actually has subs for the rest)
also the first set of Hades OVA's are fucking great, with the exception of one really shitty episode where they changed things. The rest of the Hades' OVAs are fucking horrible and should be skipped
This should help you start out:
>be Huelander
>can only say "abuelo, go take your meds" when people start going on about how their childhood is being raped at every turn
>with the exception of one really shitty episode where they changed things.
Which one? It's been a while since I saw those 13 episodes. The only negative mayor change I can think of is stealing Shiryu's spotlight by making the other three main characters stop the Exclamation.
I also remember that incredibly shitty, incredibly out of place 3D animation of Seiya donning the Cloth. Never again was that style used.
the Papillon fight got interrupted by Seiya, only for him to get teleported away again. Same episode as CGI armor.
I'm afraid of watching Saint Seiya. Mexicans love Gears of War, Dragon Ball Z and Saint Seiya. I'm afraid something deep inside me will stir and I'll have to finish all the different series.
>typical spic
For the love of all that is sacred, where can I find full episodes with the Dic dub? I've been looking around the internet with no luck.
The only thing you should know is that Pandora is the best waifu and sadly she dies like a bitch.
Can't find them either, but it seems like they go for dirt cheap for murricans (like 5 bucks on ebay or whatever)
>How well does Saint Seiya hold up?
It was influential and has cool concepts, but the actual specifics are pretty lazy. If you can get over the abundance of bishonen designs the art is frequently pretty decent, though.
There's a lot of "What!? His cosmo is exploding!" It's repetitive to say the least.
The Divine Clothes(why are they called clothes anyway, they're fucking armors) were cool as fuck, and so was Hades. Athena getting her own armor and one-shotting Hades made me go "Fucking FINALLY, this bitch does something useful."
The Apollo movie/OVA or whatever it was, left me dissappointed about the lack of a proper Zeus saga, not to mention that the final battle ending up with a naked Seiya using all his power to scratch Apollo's cheek, who shouldn't be stronger than Hades was also pretty underwhelming.
All in all, I guess I liked it, but it made me realize that the fights were always "good guy gets the shit beaten out of him until he uses the only move he knows and wins". Regular shonen usually give a more fleshed moveset to the good guys than the bad guys, but it was somehow the other way around in here.
>(why are they called clothes anyway, they're fucking armors)
That's how the armors that Athena's soldiers use are called.
The armors of Poseidon's soldiers are called Scales.
The armors of Hades' soldiers are called Surplices.
The armors of the anime-only Odin's soldiers are called God Robes.
The ending of the fifth movie left me with a bitter taste in my mouth, too. The movie was so depressing it made me feel weird. Granted, Saint Seiya isn't laughs and confetti, but the movie had an extremely unhappy air. With that said, it is beautifully animated, pity it was the last SS product with that animation quality to come out.
>Odin
Is there some cool anime-only Norse shit?
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So how about this lads?
>Is there some cool anime-only Norse shit?
Yes. This is exactly what there is. Nailed it.
Saintia Sho is fucking SHIT
>Oh look there's a super duper secret order of Female Saints except these don't have to hide their faces for reaons
>Also, they all are jobbers and kept getting saved by Golds 99% of the time
It's literally a Gold Saint Otomege. I thought the 3DCG flop movie was the worst thing SS had ever done but this topped it in badness in every single way. Even Leo "I'm a Mary Sue who can Athena Exclamation alone" Regulus is less awful than Saintia Sho.
Is one of them going to be Next Dimension?
But is it good?
>anime
I don't know. I learned my lesson about being hyped for SS anime after Soul of Gold.
>live action
I... what.
>movie
I actually loved Legend of Sactuary. I hope it's a sequel made by the same team.
The fandom is divided about that matter. There's no objective opinion about the Asgard Arc.
Some liked it.
Some hated it.
It's up to to you if its good or not.
It's part of the original anime anyway. You might as well watch it.
>I actually loved Legend of Sactuary.
Holy shit, I forgot that thing existed, even though it was pretty advertised on my country back then; might watch it one of these days. Does it not feel rushed, at least?
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due to bad dub, or actual female Milo?
the end it hella rushed, but it looks 200% better than the old anime did.
I honestly like Movie Deathmask better
Actual female Milo so that fujos could self-insert.
Some things are rushed (this was expected, a lot of content for a single movie) but I found it solid. If you watch it without expecting the seriousness and the drama of the original work and don't mind some goofy moments here and then, you'll enjoy it. I remember being in the cinema and laughing like a retard during THAT scene, everyone else was groaning or completely silent.
Animation is pretty good. The Clothes are beautifully detailed. And as pointed out, FemMilo a cutie.
In any case, it flopped (was overshadowed by Frozen in Japan), for the sadness of some and the joy of others. From which country are you from?
>I remember being in the cinema and laughing like a retard during THAT scene, everyone else was groaning or completely silent.
How sad to be the only one there with shit taste. Did you get booed for being a faggot too?
>turning the fujo favorite into a woman
These niggas
I didn't watch the movie but I heard that there's a scene with Deathmask singing. Is this the one you're talking about?
Just finished Act 1 today. I'm just going to post this and leave the thread to avoid spoilers, but I'll post thoughts.
>Pros
>Opening arc being a tournament that introduces the main characters is pretty cool
>The mangaka has clearly tripped major amounts of acid and the influence clearly comes through
>All the main characters have time to shine and are built up very well.
>Cons
The art-style is weird. Clearly as you can see throughout the manga, Kuramada is a very good artist. However the style he uses can take some getting used to, and sometimes seems ill fitting for what's going on.
>It's honestly almost genius, but I'll still count it as a con. We barely get a lot of information on the main characters as the series begins, but throughout the series will get massive info dumps on a characters past that will lead to a story reveal or a power up. Most of them are clearly asspulls that were just thought up the week before by Kuramada, but it kind of works because we don't know much about these characters and they and the world(s) they inhabit are so rich that it's always neat to get a flashback.
Yes. It's fucking hilarious.
I liked the first season of Omega too. Fite me.
Also, the pacing of the series is crazy fast as well, and the fights are god tier. Even if it makes Dragon Ball look tame with characters dying and coming back to life.
Despite the flaws, the Sanctuary arc might be one of my all-time favorite manga arcs. Really excited to move onto Vol 14.
>Most of them are clearly asspulls that were just thought up the week before by Kuramada
There is nowadays a strong opinion about artist doing that, but in my humble Opinion, It's when he pull an idea at the very last minute that Kurumada shine the most. He is some sort of genius at doing that and many great moment from Saint Seiya stem from this habit.
>The art-style is weird. Clearly as you can see throughout the manga, Kuramada is a very good artist.
Good thing you actually enjoy his art. Personally it puts me off. He designs and details the cloths in a superb way, but his faces and anatomy...
Its fucking great and if you haven't seen it you don't know shit about anime.
Enjoy the upcoming Silver/Bronze Saints arc. Protip: Its the worst.
I'm pretty sure his original designs were pretty damn shitty, and then got touched up by Bandai to make them more detailed.
Or so I heard.
>Time to stop procrastinating and learn some Japanese or practice drawing!
>Saint Seiya Thread
Noooooooooo
I don't disagree that he's a genius with asspulls. Toriyama is as well. They're still noticeably asspulls though which is all I'm noting.
It's more than I dig his panel-work, his details, when he actually tries at shading, the way he designs fights, and the world he's created.
The character designs, faces, and anatomy are really weird, and I wouldn't say I like it, but I definitely got used to it and it doesn't affect my ability to enjoy the series. I've never seen it, but the art style kind of reminds me of that Steven Universe show that's so popular.
I finished up until the fight with Saga.
>an actual cherub.
Nice.
Is B'tX good?
>It's more than I dig his panel-work, his details, when he actually tries at shading, the way he designs fights
Yeah, that's actually pretty good when he decides to try.
>I finished up until the fight with Saga.
How hype were you when Ikki showed up? I pretty much yelled "FUCK YES" at my screen.
Still here, user?
Tell us who is Best Gold Saint.
Too bad he is terrible at drawing people.
The manga is good enough. The TV anime is awful. The manga's good because it's Kurumada's breakneck pacing for a good reason - there aren't "arcs" in this, just the main story from beginning to end and it just jolts straight from one thing to another.
The TV anime keeps bloating the plot for it to be episodic, so it really undermines the 'rush to the end' feel of the manga.
B't X NEO (OVAs) isn't bad in itself, but it's an anime original ending. Also Karen is best girl.
MUÑEQUERA MORTAL
Is there anybody else would kill to see Fūma no Kojirō scanlated?
Seeing how much Bleach ripped off Saint Seiya, I'd like to see how much Naruto ripped off Fuma no Kojiro.
It's a 12 houses redo, but with every enemy having a really melodramatic backstory which is revealed during their final battle. So, it depends on how much you like that type of thing, which is rather common for shounen series nowadays.
Reminder that Saga is the strongest Gold Saint.
I remember it fondly but honestly. You would better use a guide to watch it. I mean, The beginning is cool but lots of the saints post Ikki seem like bad filler, Iron saints specially... because those actually where filler.
The gold saint arc since Aioria shows up is basically the peak of what SS is. After that it's always the same formula. Athena is somehow kidnapped or whatever and 4 bronze saints have to deal with gold saint level threats... every single time. A fifth one occasionally shows up but that's it.
Gold saints are a lazy bunch that would rather leave the world faith on the hands of 15 year old kids... and most bronze saints are actually as weak as that.
I'll concede that some times SS filler is actually pretty good considering it's filler. Asgard was 100% filler and it's not bad at all... for filler saints.
I would recommend watching lost canvas though. But after you watch that most original gold saints become shit automatically.
LOURDES can muñequera mi mortal anytime she feels like it
It's scanlated in a lot of latino languages. Honestly not a lot to it (it definitely feels like a lot of it is just winged, much more than the usual Kurumada) and while "ninja" is a motif the most famous part of the series revolves around cosmic swords in the moon.
I clenched my fists and started nodding my head like a fucking autist with a massive grin on my face.
Shaka
user, do you really want to start a Thousand Posts War with Virgofags?
>I would recommend watching lost canvas though. But after you watch that most original gold saints become shit automatically.
How can anyone have such a shitty opinion?
Shura best gold saint.
Can you give me a link? I've looked for spanish scans in the past but had no luck.
Read the fucking manga, the anime is atrocious.
It has a lot of filler, even inside canon arcs it has fillers and changes to the story, fights, characters and their personalities.
It's gay as fuck because the animators were fujoshi or something who knows but it's really gay.
Filled with plot holes thanks to not being faithful to the manga.
Garbage pacing, seriously the sanctuary is done in 5 volumes it takes like 50 episodes in the anime
The Hades saga is trash, not only does it adapt the manga poorly but also has garbage animation.
The only good thing of the anime is the OST
It aged better than Kinnikuman at least.
Or maybe it didn't.
I don't even know anymore.
>I actually loved Legend of Sactuary
I couldn't even finish that shit, and I watched all of Omega.
Seems like a hue just took the scripts from here mangahelpers.com
>all of Omega
Why would you torture yourself like that?
How were you able to retain your sanity?
>Seeing how much Bleach ripped off Saint Seiya
How so? I haven't read this Saint Seiya, but is this claim as ludicrous as saying that Hunter x Hunter ripped off Naruto or does the claim actually hold weight?
>It's gay as fuck because the animators were fujoshi or something who knows but it's really gay.
>it's a "classic-SS-is-straight-as-fuck-full-of-manly-men-only" meme episode
Welp. I'm about to do the same thing but for English.
>I don't disagree that he's a genius with asspulls
I do. That "the same move doesn't work twice on a Saint" shit he pulls multiple times is the laziest thing ever.
Kubo has explicitely acknowlegded SS as a major influence fampaitachi
Damn, the site is region locked for US.
>but is this claim as ludicrous as saying that Hunter x Hunter ripped off Naruto
Nice bait, hopefully nobody falls for it and derails our nice SS thread.
Remember that one time a huahueBR published his original Saint Seiya mango with Ikki's son (DO NOT STEAL) as protagonist???
What happened to it? Still going? Died?
Unionmangas? I don't think these guys could block something as simple as a japanese proxy loaded through the browser to be honest (just google "japanese proxy server" and it should load a result where you can just slap the URL on top of it to load pages with a japanese IP - hopefully they didn't blacklist JP ips either)
He was going to release one chapter every two months IF he hit enough patreon dollers (which he didn't) so now he says he wants to do it as a light novel instead or something
Nice b8 there, fampai
>patreon dollers
Well shit. I didn't know that.
I'm glad he failed, then.
I thought it was Naruto that ripped off Hunter x Hunter?
The manga is great but the anime not so much, it starts and you think it's similar to other manga but after a while it becomes really unique
First of all there's no FRIENDSHIP, well there is but mostly between X and Teppei who slowly learn to work together, while the other 3 join with his and all that they're never considered friends. Teppei is similar to Seiya in the fact that he rushes in without thinking, but man does the story punish him for it. His brother Kotari is basically the deuteragonist of the story and he's a really cool and smart character.
The battles start fairly normal but after a while they have ridiculous strategy fights and cool shit going on, honestly when I was reading HxH it reminded me of B't X.
I don't mind creators setting up donations or incentives but if it's compulsory it's pretty "ehhh" alright
As soon as you start liking Saint Seiya, you become a mexican. If you like it too much, you become an honorary HUE
Asians love it though.
So do euros, except bongs because they're gay like burgers
It's not an opinion, it's a fact that Albafica is better than Afrodita, Manigoldo easily tops Deathmask too.
I would admit that Tenma is shit compared to Saiya and that Saga is a top tier villain compared to all villains after him though so the old one wins as an overall better anime but on lost canvas you get Shion and Dohoko too...
Not to mention El Cid... he easily tops Shura.
So yeah, Lost Canvas has the best gold saints even though the original gold saint arc is better.