Can some tech nerd explain to me why we need cloud computing?

Can some tech nerd explain to me why we need cloud computing?
Is this just a Jewish trick?
What is the large relationship between cloud computing and data analytics referred to by companies like IBM and Google?

Is data the new oil?

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So that, under the Patriot act, the government can easily go through your files without having to use the fucking Windows and Linux backdoors.

Also this

dbjournal.ro/archive/9/9_7.pdf

We don't, it's just easier for them to spy that way.

Automatically open up servers on a datacenter according to the workload, keep service up at all times.
But that's just business stuff.

Regarding your own personal data... that's a recent (((fad))) to make you easier to spy.

Is it literally really this simple?
Why do people fall for it if it is this simple?

All it is is storing your shit on another computer. All for that sweet sweet data to be sold to the highest bidder.
Also, it's a revenue stream through subscriptions.

This basically. It's taking your control of your data and giving it to someone else.

When you say highest bidder who are these companies?
What are they doing with the data?

or ... put something in there that compromises you, then tell you to stop asking questions or someone may visit your parents house listed in an archived email discussing their new home in Nebraska

Ppl are stupid, even more stupid if you import gazillions of low IQ shitskins.

Wtf is up with the captchas?

because the business world runs on data, cloud computing provides the infrastructure for businesses to get their data done as a service platform instead of having to maintain their own computing operations to do so, which can be far more expensive for them to do instead of outsourcing it to amazon web services/google/and other jewish cabal operated ponzi groups

people are lazy and willing to do stupid shit if it is (((popular))).
The (((cloud))) is for people too stupid to learn how to access their fileson their home machine from anywhere

Although saying that, some research tasks could probably use cloud computing, stuff like analysing the LHC output uses cloud computing I think. Not stuff the average person would need anyway.

There's also the fact that since the program wouldn't be local you never own it, not only does that mean DRM is pretty much foolproof but they can start up subscriptions to let you keep accessing to it.

First intelligent sounding response. This makes sense.
Do you believe it is necessary or just a competitive advantage that a company most likely should use to cut down on costs?
Why are so many everyday consumers switching to cloud based systems I can understand the business side of it but not from a personal stand point.
What do these companies do with the data that they are mining?

Another 'reason' to use it is to backup entire computers after 7zip'ing and encrypting the entire file in a single block.

If done properly they'll never get your shit out unless they put a gun in your mouth.

Could you give me an example of this subscription based service to access for an everyday consumer?
Like google could start charging to access your google docs?

youtu.be/0FacYAI6DY0

This video will tell you everything you need to know. Its a marketing buzzword to describe a return to the computer architecture of the 1960's and 70's. Larry is definitely /ourguy/ btw

unless you're a company that has to provide a service, don't use it

exactly, it is so simple and frankly a joke that this is considered new.
All it is for is making those dollars off of suckers and companies ran by morons who can't figure out how to do it well.

The US government can break any encryption out there. They love folks to think they can't because it means people will put all the stuff they want is in the encrypted files.

Like the recent Apple encryption thing.. FBI makes a big stink about it, then quietly says "we got this".

Because its fundamentally more economic to fill a warehouse that is strategically located for cheap electricity, full of high performance servers and divide up their resources to customers.

Customers now don't need to purchase thousands of dollars of equipment, most of which would sit at idle, and its inefficient running costs compared to cloud service make it hardly long term viable either.

it's a consequence of the internet and ecommerce as well as logistics and scale of globalism
as for consumers, because they are lemmings who but what is sold to them but also because they are not necessarily 'hardcore' computing/engineering types, they're lay people who don't care if their data is being sold on the deepweb by data brokers

It's a cheaper and more secure alternative to hosting your own servers. It's a good thing also that you don't have to worry about infraestructure.

Good point, thanks for the response. I didnt realize that companies would require such massive servers.
Are there large companies out there that use cloud based systems from Google IBM or Amazon?
Or is it mainly for smaller companies that lack the cashflow?
Do some larger companies build their own infrastructure?

You seem fairly informed on this. Are you just interested in tech and follow it or do you work in an industry?
Do you believe that there is a large future in data mining? I mean this in regards to the statement "Data is the new oil"

Do you believe that is true?

You need someone to maintain servers for your system that runs on computers. You have to pay these guys a lot, you don't really know what they do, and you have to pay for their computers, data centers etc. It's absolutely vital.

Turns out, some big companies like Amazon can own and maintain all the servers and expose the useful functionality to you. You pay a specific rate, and don't deal with any of the internals.

Suppose that, you want a website where, whenever anyone clicks a button, they register for a weekly digest email from you. Using a "cloud computing" option like AWS you configure some settings and upload some code and files, and you connect S3, Dynamo, lambda, and SES. You're done. Amazon makes sure all that shit will continue to run, your servers are always on, you can configure it to withstand unlimited traffic, etc.

In the non-cloud world you need to worry about web servers, load balances, content delivery, email server, application servers, chron job, and probably more. You've got to write, configure, and maintain it all yourself, so you need a team of highly paid IT professionals.

So you don't have to buy, setup, host and maintain 100 servers just to handle spike traffic? Cloud computing usually allows you to scale on-demand. At worst it just means you don't have to host and deal with hosting your own server apps.
Try scaling within minutes during spike, maybe a Youtuber made a video about your service, without something like AWS. Habeeb from IT isn't going to setup a new server machine fast enough. You need the elasticity of cloud computing to stay online in those cases.

Cloud computing is a big marketing meme for hosted services vs distributed services approached by cooperate businesses. The darpa/internet has been a cloud since the early 80"s. but the marketing of centralized vs. disturbing information as a marketing term only since 2010 or so.

Excellent I feel like I'm starting to rough out a basic understanding of this.
Do you work in tech?
Also, what did you think about the statement "Data is the new oil?"
Do you believe that is a true statement?
What is the downsides to all of this centralized infrastructure? You listed many positives just curious what the other side of it looks like.

Many companies use a mixture of cloud and their own infrastructure. It depends on the availability of data centers in certain locations and the costs associated.

Also depends on the "task", specialized tasks will be more suitable for private infrastructure. Think YouTube and the insane storage requirements, of which they have a massive data center for just storage.

But then, serving the videos/website and uploading/ processing can be done and will be done on general cloud servers, in the same data centers you can rent your own right now

there's ways around this, though
they can't break an encryption if they can't figute it out in the first place, thinking only in terms of known and practiced encryption methods, yeah they can break all of that, but there's nothing stopping anyone from creating their own encryption methods and other things
large and small companies do it, mostly newer ones that havent already invested in the infrastructure to meet their computing and data needs, "startups" such as uber etc etc
i've followed it for decades but i also have had personal interactions with individuals involved in such things and knowing what i know it's easy for me to find out a lot from these people from casual discussions about it, people generally are more comfortable to answer questions about themselves and what they do than politics because its what they know intimately and isn't as sensitive an area, that's the first thing to know about social engineering
and yes datamining is always going to be big, Sup Forums and Sup Forums are a huge dataming op, google amazon faceberg, they're all slanging the data on the side, the dumb goyim who can't get into the deepweb never know

I've heard some people meme about "alt-tech" as a way to branch away from some of these powerful social platforms such as YouTube and Twitter. Is there a possibility we will reach a point that is impossible to do since the infrastructure of their servers is so large no one would want to take the risk of building another platform?
I'm sure its obvious I have no idea how any of this works.
Do video game companies like League Of Legends have their own servers or do they outsource that to cloud companies as well?

Google probably isn't going to, they make money off analysing/selling the data they receive. I was thinking more along the lines of a program like Microsoft Word (although that already has a subscription now days) or a video game, just something normal that rather than running on your computer is on the cloud instead.
I think the main grab would be for very high detailed gaming and storage (Dropbox for example), something most people can't do on their own computer so they pay to outsource the work instead (and since they can't allow you to indefinitely outsource the work, you would have to pay in one way or another).

Actually, I think Visual Studio/Adobe After Effects/Maya and similar programs already have a paid option to use the cloud for compiling/rendering. Again, not so useful for the average person but if you consider an animation company would need like a year to process the final product for a movie even with a bunch of networked computers it makes sense.

Is there a chan on the deepweb?
So if you own a website do you own the data and then can sell it?
Who owns the data that is being mined from Sup Forums before it gets sold? Who is the original owner I suppose is how I would ask that.

leage has its own servers, the north american one moved to chicago a couple years ago, they are they own platform and monetized
each poster is supposedly owner of the data that they post, according to the site's claims, but at the end of the day Sup Forums was made by the NRO, so i would say they really own it

Whether you have data hosted on an Azure server, or whether it's stored locally on an onsite server (and it has internet access), your data is monitored.

Cloud services is what we're transitioning our clients too, liked hosted Exchange and licensing for the Office, SharePoint etc, whilst we just keep a NAS onsite for backups and other shit that needs to be stored locally

Sigh. I work for the literal CPU-Jew, you can figure out who.
I work in the data center group.
We make something like 80% of the profit with a few thousand people, for a company of close to 100k people.
Cloud computing is another way of saying: other people's servers.
What you store there is never quite secure unless you're encrypting everything before sending it. If you're using their compute cycles because you're too broke to buy your own infrastructure then your business plan is probably shit.

I do work in tech and am very familiar with cloud computing.

Data is the new oil? It's mostly hype. There's tons of value in some data, other data is useless. Facebook versus Amazon is a good example. Facebook has tons of data about you. Where you go, what you say, who your friends are, what you do, etc. They think they can use that to sell you ads - and to some extent they can. But ask anyone who advertises on Facebook and they'll tell you it's shit.

Amazon, on the other hand, knows what you buy. They are starting their own ad platform (like Google's) and it's much better than Facebook - because it turns out that knowing what you buy and how much money you spend is way more useful than knowing whether or not you fucking love science or whatever. Look for Amazon to crush Facebook ads soon, and start competing with Google in that space.

To sum up, some data is good, some is useless, and almost nobody understands how to effectively use the massive amounts of data there is. Look at Movie Pass for an absolutely insane version of this.

From a development perspective, cloud computing is obviously the way to go. There are some downsides:

1. Amazon will outcompete others, dominate the market, then raise prices when you can't switch out of their system because you've been integrating with them for the past N years.

2. Your cloud computing things fails = your service dies. This does happen, AWS had a few outages in services this year. The good news, if you are a developer, is that you won't be blamed for this because there will be major widespread outages across the net. Realistically, your cloud computing company will fail way less frequently than you would, so this is actually kind of a positive.

3. Like most innovations in computer science it makes it easier for retards to do this kind of work. That means the people doing it are kids fresh out of college willing to work sixty hour weeks patching together stuff they don't understand.

Cloud computing should ideally use your local (self-hosted) federation server for authorization requests but jewgle is easier and only requires your DNA to use

How do you know Sup Forums was made by the NRO?

how do your fellow cpujews feel about Sup Forums? are you all a bunch of shitposters or Sup Forumslow in the dark ni/g/Sup Forumsers

You are saying 80% of your profits come from cloud based services that are provided by the company you work for?

why do you think we use the NRO logo?

Eh, I've worked on a few startups where it is often necessary to use the cloud to cater to scattered b2b clients. We just don't have the capital to hire the specialists to develop the infrastructure and spending time to do it ourselves would detract from developing our core tech.

We're doing so at my current, but plan on building our own infrastructure down the road.

For more established companies I think you're probably right.

>Facebook has tons of data about you. Where you go, what you say, who your friends are, what you do, etc. They think they can use that to sell you ads - and to some extent they can
Implying their goal is ad revenue. I'm sure they sell the data to the NSA, exchange it for political favours or use it to change the political climate to cause change they benefit from.

thanks for eating my image senpai

>way more useful that knowing whether or not you fucking love science or whatever

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Thanks for the info. Trying to learn this it interests me.
The common theme I see here is that data is only mostly valuable to someone who wants to sell you shit?
That would make sense to me. I guess I hadn't really pieced together who else would be interested in the data aside from the Gubbermint.
What about AI companies? I had heard people mention that in the future data will be more valuable as AI becomes more viable.
Thoughts?

The NSA doesn't buy stuff from Facebook. That wouldn't make sense as Facebook is a public company and would need to explain the random revenue streams that would need to make up a significant part of their business. Furthermore, any Facebook employee who knew about it could lead the whole thing and become famous and probably rich.

The NSA is integrated into the internet at a much deeper, hardware level and collects all data exchanged on the internet without paying for it.

I guess that doesnt answer my question. Do you have definitive evidence or just any at all that they started or run Sup Forums?
I'm open to the idea I would just like to see some info or a few dots I could try and connect.

Data is useful mainly for advertises (and law enforcement). Data can also be used to improve your product. Google is famous for this. You want to and new button to your website - but what color should it be? Google makes twenty versions with twenty different colors, and shows each version to a million people (a tiny percentage of their users). They then use data to find that when the button is light blue (with such and such size and text, etc) people click it X% more, so then they change the website to use the button they just discovered was best and go on to make their next change.

Data is necessary for AI the way we know it now. However, this data needs to be labeled for it to be useful. The massive amounts of raw data we have about random stuff may be useful, or it may not be. Hard to know.

Imagine you want to train an AI to categorize birds. You could do it by making a bird watching forum where people upload their bird pictures with a title. Then you use your data to train an AI to recognize birds. Okay. Good use of data. However, Google could just hire 100 ornithology grad students to work 8 hours a day labeling birds for five months, they'd have a better dataset and train their AI on massive hardware and specialized TPUs that you don't have access to. So - data is good, but not game changing or better than having billions of dollars.

The question you are asking is akin to the question of why do we need apartment buildings when we have houses. The reason for establishing this analogy is such that the multiplicity of the reasons behind their existence is made trivial.

It can be much less expensive than paying for real estate, power, air conditioning, and connectivity for your own hardware if your peak needs greatly exceed your average needs. It may also reduce the number of IT staffing you need to hire (but not by much).

I am a cloud archetect, I build the systems that deploys microservices to the cloud for apps based on its demand.

Technically i love it, however, because of its high capacity, i can see how it can be abused.

But really it is just a big datacenter, cloud computing is just migrating from several small datacenters to large corporate ones like AWS and Azure. However, AWS is the market leader.

Remember the fappening? I wonder if all that was just stuff Weinstein saved on the cloud.

because 99% of sysadmins are retards and not having to hire sysadmins makes it easier to have a tech company