How hard would it be to take Somalia?

I fully understand the word hard is relative, but say a small cabal of grand thinkers were to secure some sort of financial backing, legal or otherwise, would it be feasible to do with mercs? What kind of pre-takeover planning would need to be put in place? Infrastructure? How would you keep it?

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>how do I steal shit from a garbage dumpster?

why in the fuck would you want somalia of all places

Maybe, but that's not the point here. A legit powerful country could be build from the "garbage dumpster". Resources are plentiful, and it's coastal. The land has value, it's just a dumping ground at the moment.

Coastal foothold into later intentions of expansion.

no you can't.. it's a barren hot dry wasteland...

Reason it was never colonized (besides the Italians for a couple of years) in history because it's a worthless piece of land with worthless people.

Muh rich in resources meme.

It has a lot of coastal area. A handful of desalination plants would vastly increase the amount of arable land. The construction and maintenance of the plants would create both agricultural and industrial portions of a society. Once population density is high enough, that would create the need for a technology sector. After those three, a solid economy would be established and then an entertainment sector, such as retail and arts can be built.

Need a wall to keep the rest of Africa out, though.

Mined resources. Also, if you have a foothold in the region, Eritrea and Ethiopia ripe for annexation once you've developed your ability. But let's say there are no resources at all. It's a coastal country, and with better control over import export, and no threat of pirates, you could, over time, accumulate a higher GDP translating into better military capability. Yeah, the people are worthless, I suppose this would require immigration of whites in promise of a wealthy future, like a new frontier kind of thing.

Nice try soros.

I think the conquest is feasible. But if you do not have nuclear weaponry, you have to dance to "The West's" tune, and I think it is clear that you cannot

A: Rule Somalians without being "Mean"
B: Be mean to Somalians if you don't want the Western World intervening because of "human rights" and all that.

>implying Europeans with their tech wouldn't make it a prospering region

It's a barren wasteland, because niggers are living there

See, this is what I'm talking about. Just because the people are incapable of exploiting their land, doesn't mean a more intelligent people couldn't. Thanks for putting some thought into this.

Maybe, unless you quickly allied with say, Russia. Conditional of course, but I bet they wouldn't turn it down.

Too much land border to defend against nog invasions. Using too much force would bring too much international attention.

>A handful of desalination plants

this is not Simcity kid...

Do you have any idea how much they cost (building and maintenance) and how much energy they use ?

There is a lot of weapons (including heavy weapons) and soldiers in Africa. You want Somalia, good luck fighting 30,000 somalian soldiers and 10,000 Al-Shabaab terrorists. You would need a lot of manpower and equipment to destroy all this. It might seem easy when US army do it, but they are spending billions of dollars to drop bombs on various shitholes and they still can't control them.

Also, all the global and local powers would want to stop you because you are destabilizing the region and controlling the Gulf of Aden and by projection also Suez Canal. USA, Iran, KSA, Egypt, they all will try to stop you.

All points valid, but that's the challenge. Identify problems, and overcome them. That's why I started the thread. There are a lot of things I can't think of, but someone will, and in the event of discussion, we bring about solutions.

its not 1700 you dumb fuck

I won't pretend to be a military expert, but since all of these things you said are valid points, are you saying their is no solution? We can't think it through?

FPBP

Why the fuck would you want Somalia? It is arguably the most failed state on a continent filled with failed states. Also it is filled with niggers. You are talking about MASS genocide to make it even livable.

Desalination as a byproduct of nuclear energy is rather economical. Uranium is one of the minable resources in Somalia.

Your comment in regards to what? The pirate comment? You've not heard of somali pirates? It may not be the largest issue, but it is still an issue that would be dealt with under "new management". Way to contribute.

A failed state is an unorganized state. Destabilized regions should be somewhat more feasible for conquering than a nation that has it's shit together. And location. Also, I'm not saying I want it. This was supposed to be a gathering of people trying to come up with ideas on how to make it happen. I don't get why this concept is so hard.

The only way I see possible is to gain popular support and overthrow the government. The only movement able to do that in Somalia is Islamism. Al Shabaab are already controlling parts of Somalia so you would want to infiltrate them and gain Somalis support. To do this you would have to study their mentality and beliefs. The leadership there are bad motherfuckers but let's say you are charismatic enough to pull that out and you suddenly control the whole movement.

Your problem is that USA does not like you very much and other powers will also probably do something if you would be to overtake the whole country. Now you need either (1) definitive popular support so they can't hunt you down without pissing off all the Somalis or (2) careful diplomacy so you normalize the relations with some powers so they accept you as credible Somali government while at the same time not losing the support of your followers.

This is the kind of post I was looking for. Thank you for not being a retard. I'll definitely have to think some of this through, and hopefully more will weigh in. Good post!

lol... why? What's in it for them?

Foothold into a larger region? Promise of African resources? China is doing much the same in Africa I hear. Why not join in the rush?

why don't we just go back to invading tuvalu

Russia doesn't have a lot of friends between them and Somalia. Logistics would be tricky to say the least. I suppose it's possible, but I doubt they could/would be much of an active ally.

I don't think that popular support is going to keep you alive in that situation. Just because USG nominally cares about popular support and the will of the people, peace, etc... does not mean that they do in practice.

Besides, I don't think that a bunch of pissed off Somalians without intelligent leadership are capable of doing anything significant.

The truth is that an african military force is pretty beatable.

What u really would wanna do is take a country with a false flag. Fake like some random freedom fighters won liberation.

You wouldnt want the attention from the leftist media of a white paramilitary group seizing an african country. The butthurt would be legendary. You would need it to be an inside job.

Bribe some faction of militants with untold riches to kill all the other fighting groups.

what is black hawk down ?

good KDR

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_(1993)

Both Eritrea and Ethiopia are long term Russian allies.

Beatable by what? They can't compete with the best armies, but neither can we (I assume that in this scenario we do not have top tier army at our disposal). I assume that we have money so we can buy mercs and maybe some heavy weaponry. This is something African armies are able to deal with.

I agree with your false flag approach, see:

Not sure if their activity as an ally would be necessary to a large extent. Just the knowledge of them as an ally, maybe, might be enough to skirt the small details of the newly formed nation through paramilitary takeover being without nuclear armament. But, Russia was just one example, however bad it may have been.

>Muh rich in resources meme.
There are deserts in the north as well. And fertile zones in the south. You'd know this if you had bothered to study the reality instead of Marxist dreams.

He's posting under the UN flag. Reality has likely been foreign to him for a long time.

Good post!

He's doin mayflower 2.0 i guess

You would probably need to storm UN garrisons. Best to lure them and the Somalis into killing each other by playing both sides as a double agent

You got me being stuck on stupid trying to figure out how to manipulate the UN and the Somalis into taking each other out. That probably is the avenue to success though. Fuckin' head scratcher for sure.

Maybe try and get the UN to relocate their HQ to Somalia.

Would be good for a laugh.

Chemical warfare with drones.

>that german shirt

I missed that. Haha!

Make it so bad there that the UN weighed it's usefulness, and thought their efforts would be best concentrated in this area. I feel like that would top any bit of memetic warfare ever carried out. I would never stop laughing.

Ask al shaban

Apparently it's not easy as one would think even with foreign backing in a country that was once an unstable hellhole

Years ago you probably could but now Somalia has enough gibs and is trying to turn the place around

Spoken like a true kike.

Come in with defensible cargo ship and say you are NGO here to help. Run ad campaign promising women super babies that will make them rich and gibs if they agree. Inseminate with white semen. Get significant percentage of population 1/2 white, then 3/4 white. Come in as conquering heroes to population that embraces you.

>How would you keep it?


Why would you keep it?

You'd need to do it until the entire population was 31/32nds white.

But then you'd have an entire nation of Shaun Kings.

Depends. Are you going to try and control the local populace or outright replace them?

I think we can all agree that outright replacement of the Somali population isn't achievable in the current geopolitical climate.

as this guy said, butthurt would be too much.

>I think we can all agree that outright replacement of the Somali population isn't achievable in the current geopolitical climate.
Then there is no reason to try and take Somalia.

This is the thing. Gawd why?

Land needs to be developed to be productive. Roads, irrigation, utilities, laws, etc.

The question isn't why.

But they would be surrounded with niggers and have niggers living amongst them. It couldn't work.

You're skipping right over the problem. The people.

I came up with a foolproof plan for you.

Equipment needed: A small ship, a submarine and a large supply of chicken tenders.
Step 1: Attach a small ship on top of a submarine
Step 2: Cruise around the Somalian coast with your submarine, so that only the ship is visible.
Step 3: Wait for Somalis to board your ship.
Step 4: Submerge and let the Somalis drown.
Step 5: Repeat until all Somalis are gone.

Why would you want to seize control of all nig country? You would have to genocide the locals, otherwise nigs will rob you eventually. I would seize Greenland, where it's cold and nigs can't live. The colonization of Africa will only be possible if you can stealth genocide the locals. Some bio-weapon targeting nigs. Then it all makes sense. Otherwise at some point the westerners will hire cheap nigs and its SA all over again. Even Israel has a problem with the jews hiring arabs because they are cheap. You will have that problem X100 if you want to settle Africa. Nobody can say no to cheap labor in the West. It's a failure off the get go. I say there is a shot in a very cold climate where there are no shitskins to begin with.

Easily if you have money to spare money for mercs and governmental things.

But I am 100% sure that UN or Nato would intervene.

Kek. Almost want to give it a try for a laugh

Easily if you have money to spare for mercs and governmental things.*

Draconian measures can keep them out of the way.

The tricky part, is the question of how you thread the needle. How can you be draconian enough to keep the friendly natives in line, yet without being so blatantly oppressive that the UN doesn't send its lackeys?

>Need a wall

Yeah this is ultimately the problem with settling Africa. South Africa is all you need to look at. It was a country entirely founded and built by whites for whites but when they attempted to maintain that status quo to deal with refugees from the rest of the continent they were destroyed by the liberal powers that be.

HOLY SHIT MONGOLS ARE FUCKING GENIUS
>>>>THIS

It seems so instable that Ethiopia could simply annex it and hit the rest button for the land.

probably be a lot easier to take a small, easily fortified island like malta. any country, even in sub saharan africa is likely to draw ire of the 'international order' against 'human rights violations'

I agree, but solving the problems of a vastly more complex situation makes everything else easier. So, if the general opinion is that Somalia is impossible, we'll take on Malta next.

Gentlemen, I think we have our plan.

I am not an expert on current geopolitical affairs, nor modern history, but perhaps Cyprus?

It is partitioned, the "international community" considers one half of the island "illegitimate". Seems like an opportunity to me.

My father was there with the italian army. Before WW2 that was. He told me they sneek into enemy lines at night and are ferocious knife fighters. Also tons of lice everywhere.

malta is a small, corrupt government that could be susceptible to george soros-style political machinations akin to 'buying the election'. plus it has infrastructure, strategic location and you could have a potentially powerful ally in the 'knights of malta' a catholic holy order who already have all the proper paperwork and designations in the UN and would very much like to regain a foothold in their former sovereign territory...

THIS
What happened with that 'project'?

Mods started removing those threads.

yeah but the illegitimate part is maintained by turks

If you allowed Weapons Free ROE - shoot anything that moves - then it'd be relatively easy. Even with a much smaller ground force proportionate to the defenders, because as we all know - Niggers can't fight for shit.

However, your best bet would be to neutralize the entire human population. And why not?

how do you know they dont know how to swim? or the sub isnt visible?

>know how to swim

Mate....

Well you don't drive the boat WITHIN SWIMMING DISTANCE OF THE FUCKING SHORE FOR STARTERS

also, niggers.

it would be relatively easy to tame any land if those pesky human rights didn't get in the way. Genocide really could make the world a great place though.

Thing is - do you need the whole Somalia? Perhaps the very southern tip (quite green) would do. For a start. When you have a bridgehead you can expand. But I cannot imagine doing this without, say, a help of Kenya.

Tuvalu and Niue could both be viable options. Niue only has around 1500 people. New Zealand is tasked with defending Niue, is there a country so tasked on behalf of tuvalu?

Have you ever smelled a Somalian? Believe me you don't want their women.

It's technically a part of the commonwealth.

This is an extremely good point. No one said we need the whole country right off the bat. Good post.

Niue seems like it would be the better option then, given they are their own nation. They also have pokemon money as legit currency.

Niue is also commonwealth, but the small population means it likely is the better option.

These larping threads are the fucking worst.

> How hard would it be to take Somalia?
Americans lost against them in 90s. Like in Vietname and Red Cloud's War.
Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States#21st_century_wars

They are too strong and even forced USA to import them in mass to Minnesota as part of the terms of surrender.

I think they're great. Because I have a boat which I can go to these places with. Finding others who aren't just larping neets is the problem.

exactly my question

He is a bored american child.
He would not last 30 seconds in somalia.
Dumbfuck cant handle walmart lol at op

>How would you keep it?

Genocide is the only way. Otherwise you'll be fighting against an endless jihad. The UN, encouraged very much by Saudi oilbux, would quickly pass a resolution to throttle any effort of this kind while it was still in the cable.

It might be possible to pull off if muslims did it.

If we do take somalia, what will are main export be due to that need of a better economy and actually taking advantage of the ports.

>the cable
cradle

I suppose nobody knows a thing about Somalian tribes. So what you need is to find a smart black guy from this part of Somalia and give him an army of mercenaries (preferrably black). He can claim he fights for freedom of his tribe, as his tribe was surely opressed by Somalian government. And to stop the leftist backlash, he must claim he wants to create a new small tribal state that would be socialistic. When this coup is successful, this smart black guy will build a wall, invite his white friends (you) to help him build a new government and a new society, will get a fat cheque from you and disappear. Tada, you have your own part of Somalia.

Bored? Yes. Child? Not really. Wouldn't last 30 seconds in Somalia? Never said I would, though, I've personally met a lot of Australians, you people are pussies of the highest order. And no, I can't handle walmart, but fuck you anyway.

Are they though? Maybe you could go wank it to some dipshit Q post, or better yet find a thread started with a BLM, or LGBT meme flag and rage your little heart out.