No matter how much Anno wanted it to be, it never could, because it was already through the looking glass of fan reaction and desire, altering his vision irrevocably. This is shown in the most literal fanwank ever, a scene very far removed from the spirit of the show, or the audience in the theatre scene.
Good movie though I liked the Asuka scenes she is such a show stealer.
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>implying
Drafts for episodes 25, 26 indicate that EoE-like ending was planned but discarded due to budget restrains
Furthermore, the original ending, while being superior to EoE in some categories, doesn't provide us with the whole picture of events
The original ending doesn't indicate whether Shinji accepts or refuses Instrumentality (accepting it wouldn't make sense to me) while EoE shows us that Shinji indeed has grown up and made a decision not only for himself but for the whole humanity by refusing it and accepting the real world
I think that both EoTV and EoE should be watched.
Why would EoE be non-cannon? There is no conflict between episodes 25-26 and EoE, they were designed to be canon together.
Also Asuka is a showstealer every time she's on screen, not just when she's crushing production evas.
whos to say the fan reaction informing his art isn't part of his vision? he's even admitted some of the story was improvised as the show went on. and seeing how the show is clearly an extension of anno himself, not reacting to a fans reaction would actually fall closer out of his actual vision.
>no matter how much Anno wanted it to be
>m-muh headcanon
Don't you get it? None of that mattered. That was the whole point of the ending, you watch this mysterious show for a while wondering what the fucking lillith is and what the hell is going on, and then none of your questions get answered, and the show explains to you that it never mattered what the hell was going on, what mattered was the characters.
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My interpretation is that Shinji accepted Instrumentality. Throughout the series one of Shinji's major flaws was self-hatred. He felt that he was not a worth loving and that is why his father abandoned him. When he became a pilot he perceived value in himself, by being useful he was now worthy of love. His motivation for piloting was being useful and his father's approval was validation of his self-worth. Of course halfway through the series everything starts to go to shit and his motivation disintegrates.
It is discussed that AT Fields are the separation between minds that creates individuality (although it is also used for a physical barrier. We erect them to protect ourselves from being hurt. During Instrumentality Shinji maintains his barriers because to avoid pain because he can't believe that anyone would love him. In the end sequence he has an epiphany that he is worthy of being loved and the theater begins to shatter. When he finally declares that he is worthy of love everything dissolves and he is in the blue sky with everyone clapping and congratulating him. (The title of the episode is "The Beast that Shouted Love at the Heart of the World") He dissolved his AT fields and joined everyone in Instrumentality.
There's tons of AT field imagery in the show if you watch. The carpet in Shinji's bedroom when he listens to Misato bawl over Kaji's death, the doorway Asuka peeks through when she's all fat, Asuka's panties have an AT field motif.
Episodes 25-26 were also not canon, and neither was the "revelation" about Shinjis mom being an Eva. Anno made up everything on the go, because the original story was too boring to go through with!
What brilliance.
Don't matter if the world he chose to live in was instrumentality ville, or the real one, what mattered is he got over his sadness so anywhere he lives will be fine.
> how much Anno wanted it (EoE) to be (canon)
> fan reaction and desire
Dude, hello? The fan reaction you are talking about is hate mail and fawning over waifus, two things Anno definitely didn't want. He didn't create EoE to please his fans and replace the original ending, he created it as a one big animated middle finger to all the "fans" who missed the message of the original ending and called it bad.
What drafts
Perhaps but in the TV ending he isn't given a choice over Instrumentality, he is simply experiencing it. Considering just the TV series my interpretation is that he accepted Instrumentality.
Then anno is a fucking retard. He coulda just made them ugly and that woulda done it, by he puts them in sexy skintight outfits and is flabbergasted to discover that people were attracted to them. And it's a fucking kids show, the target audience is the same age, of course everyone thinks Asuka and Rei are hot.
> He coulda just made them ugly and that woulda
... meant nobody watched the show to the end and got the message. The masterplan was to lure otakufags in with robots and waifus and then slam the reality check of 25-26 into their fucking faces. Too bad Anno had zero idea how dense such people can be, completely ignoring the parts they didn't like in favor of waifus.
People are visual creatures, especially people who like animation. I mean, look at Asuka herself. How many people notice the personality behind the plugsuit? How many people would still like the character if she had a plain yellow shirt and nothing on her feet?
I specifically liked the series the first time around because of the way it combined psychology and spiritual/paranormal themes in the same package, and because it was completely different from anything I saw before it.
That's not it, the show's production was like that, too. Interviews and Anno's claims of contributing anonymously to fanzines paint them as paying laserhawk attention to audience reception, drafts and storyboards for the episodes show them being rewritten and retconned week to week.
Engaging the audience with a secretive mystery plot was one of the goals for the project Anno declared first. It's difficult to make an entertaining puzzle striptease that all makes sense and was all planned for television, strict coherence makes it inherently predictable and the schedule gives the audience months or years to get ahead of twists or just to convince themselves they have and get bored. It's so difficult that nobody has demonstrably accomplished it yet.
Reminder that if you consider end of Evangelion canon, you must consider shinji ikari raising project canon too.
You do realize nothing you said has anything to do with whether EoE is canon or not, right?
Canon is a retarded idea in the first place, there's no "true" version of a fictitious story.
>Hayashibara: So there will be two episode 25s.
>Anno: Right, it will be a multi-ending.
>Hayashibara: So, a dual... ah, a multi-ending. After episode 24 the endings will diverge.
>Anno: Right.
>Hayashibara: There will be two of them.
>Anno: There will be two of them.
>Hayashibara: Ah, two endings.
>Anno: Yes.
>Hayashibara: In terms of gaming - is it called a simulation game? What do you call it? The ending for that [particular] self changes as you go on [through the game].
>Anno: Right, a multi-ending [game].
>Hayashibara: You took this road so you went here. You took this road so you went here. The ending changes. That's how it goes.
>Anno: Um. Evangelion is my live performance. Since I create it with this sense of it being live, what I'm thinking now, what I'm feeling now, my current mood, all this gets transferred onto film - that was the initial theme, or the theme I had in my mind.
>Hayashibara: Right.
MHAASCTKER
Reminder that you will never feel Asuka's delicate hands cradle your face gently while her head looms ever closer to yours as she lowers her sweet lips onto yours, cutting the world off from view with her hair around you like a curtain, leaving nothing but the two of you.
Sorry if it was 2deep4u
get some fresh air fag
No. Get choked, baka user.
>Anno is anti-otaku meme
No. And people didn't misunderstand the message. They hated the tv ending because it was a low budget copout.
I liked the ending. Someone had to convince to watch the movie.
>did you watch the movie user?
>No, wasn't that just made for people who hated the ending? I liked the ending.
>Just watch it.
>ok
Whatever Anno says is canon is canon, user.
If you go back in time, made Evangelion before Anno did, and told everybody EoE wasn't canon, maybe your claim might have been true.
What if he said something retarded like Shinji was gay for kaworu?
So even in a show that tells you, in your face, to think about what it means to (you), you still need someone else to get on the pulpit and tell you what to think?
Then it's true and you can't do anything about it because he has the power to make it into a film. You don't, user.
Tough luck.
But Anno said EoE isn't canon:
He said that 20 years ago.
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You wouldn't have long to wonder about Lilith before the ending, she's mentioned for the first time in 24. The first suggestion that wasn't Adam was the superimposed blurs of an Eva being made in 23, and that's just from the timeline or hindsight since the bitch explaining still only mentions Adam.
He doesn't say it isn't canon, he says that there are two divergent endings.
Reminder:
Neon Genesis is piece of shit
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Иди своей дорогой, сталкер
Eva fans are so pretentious. Evangelion isn't even good enough to warrant a meta discussion on topics such as these. You're supposed to jerk it to the girl you like and walk away. There's nothing of substance there.
Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi aren't canon because A New Hope came out earlier?
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"canon" doesn't mean anything in this context, you braindead monkey
Eva is not an actual gospel, after all.
wat
Reminder that Shinji is canonicaly heterosexual.
>Speaking about the blushing, is it because Shinji was happy that someone said they like him?
>Anno: Yes, Shinji-kun really didn't experience carnal desire there *laugh*.
Confirmed by Anno himself.
asuka luuvs shinji
Eva is just as real as a gospel.
End of Evangelion is an alternate ending to the TV series because people were pissed with the low budget episodes 25 and 26 even though the writing was exactly what Anno intended it to be. It's not a sequel to the original TV ending.
Why is it not a sequel? Because 25/26 and 25'/26' (aka EoE) happen concurrently and have two different outcomes, thus they are alternate endings.
In the original, Shinji realizes that as long as he loves himself he can be happy, so he comes to terms and decides to accept instrumentality.
In EoE, Shinji realizes that interpersonal relationships are more important than loving yourself because the happiness you get as a payoff is worth the pain and effort of interaction, so he decides to reject instrumentality and return to reality.
I'd consider EoE to be the "true" ending since Shinji finally grows up but Anno and the production staff left it ambiguous (see ) as to which version of events is canon.
Anno also had an idea for a movie that would take place in the world after EoE, but it was scrapped early in development. A lot of concepts from that theoretical movie were recycled and used in Rebuild (neweva.blog103.fc2.com
>In the original, Shinji realizes that as long as he loves himself he can be happy, so he comes to terms and decides to accept instrumentality.
Why the fuck do people still say this.
He was rejecting instrumentality.
Because the final scene has him surrounded by the other cast members in a dreamlike environment with them all congratulating him? There's no evidence to suggest that he rejects instrumentality and until EoE we didn't really know what the fuck the actual instrumentality process was.
Also, Yui's lines at the end of EoE tell Shinji that anywhere can be paradise if you have the will to live, so why would he reject instrumentality if he had found happiness in himself? He'd have no need to go back to the real world.
I'd say the actual physical outcome doesn't really matter because the real focus is Shinji's final conclusion, but I'd stand firm in saying he accepts instrumentality in the original ending.
>in a dreamlike environment
They were finishing the episode the day it was supposed to air, you can't honestly expect animators rushing the job to be evidence.
>if you have the will to live
After seeing the imaginary worlds in Instrumentality, Misato tells him in comparison living in the real world isn't so bad, to which Shinji accepts that he hates himself but realizes in time he can learn to love himself and the screen cracks and breaks.
It's most definitely him rejecting Instrumentality. There'd be no way for him to learn to love himself anywhere else but by continuing to live in reality.
>He'd have no need to go back to the real world.
Now you're just being retarded. You can't experience happiness in Instrumentality, you can't even experience sorrow. You just feel stagnant. This proves even moreso Shinji rejected instrumentality, him stating he will learn to love himself and won't just give up here cements the fact that he is continuing to live in reality.
Episode 26 was meant to be the good end to EoE's bad end, despite both of them ending with Shinji rejecting instrumentality. They run parallel, but their atmosphere and themes are significantly different.
You're stupid, your headcanon is stupid, and you need to off yourself for missing the point of Eva this hard.
>Interviewer: You said previously that that sort of JUNE-like, or should I say the sort of production that goes beyond friendship, came out that way naturally, didn’t you?
>You said previously that that sort of JUNE-like, or should I say the sort of production that goes beyond friendship
>production that goes beyond friendship
>Interviewer: Who worked on episode 24?
>Anno: A person named Satsukawa (Akio)-san did that. Satsukawa-san is better at—this is bad to say, but—he’s right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism. *laugh*
>he’s right on the mark when it comes to homoeroticism. *laugh*
>homoeroticism
Shinji is bisexual and in love with Kaworu.
>Asuka fags are this mad that she only won the choke-bowl
No sexual attraction, so just friendship.
>JUNE-like, or should I say the sort of production that goes beyond friendship
>production that goes beyond friendship
Also, there was sexual attraction. Anno just said it wasn't predominantly focused on carnal desire like the girls.
Because Shinji's love for Kaworu is pure.
anyone got the remastered torrent in 720p or 1080p of the series?
there was an user going around with those in here for some time
Check the usual place ;)
Aren't you the same user who got obliterated and banned by mods in that thread a couple days back?
Pretty pathetic desu.
Only friendship is pure.
Oh wow, there are people actually taking this shitty bait thread seriously?
Do all eva threads descend into yaoi?
Well then Kaworu and Shinji have definitely exceeded friendship, because they've already held hands
Evangelion is a yaoi anime. Only homosexuals watch it.
He held hands with Asuka at the end of 3.
No, Asuka only grabbed his wrist. Rewatch the scene.
Shinji's hand is for Kaworu only.
Shinji fapped to Asuka and probably to other girls.
>yaoi fags
Yes, what's your point?
That still doesn't negate his feelings for Kaworu. He's bisexual and Anno confirmed it.
If you hate yaoi fags, then why are you watching a yaoi anime?
This is the kind of shit you signed up for.
He basically said he's straight.
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No, he literally said he has a homoerotic relationship with Kaworu that goes beyond friends.
Meaning he's bi like Anno.
Stop being autistic and accept it already.
I won't accept fujo delusion.
It's not delusion, it's just quotes from Anno and the show.
What isn't delusion is the fact that you're sad and alone, and no one will ever love you because you're autistic and come off as creepy and a freak whenever you try to communicate with people.
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Oh shit, tumblr's leaking in.
containment breach!
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>Anno is tumblr
Well, you're not wrong. He wants to spoon with Iku-chan after all.
>every fucking thread descends into kaworuposting
>every fucking thread is asukafags and fujoshits arguing over shinjibowl
>every fucking thread
you all miss the point of Eva, all of you, waifufags, shippers, you all should die
>fujoshits are here again
Where's that user with his kawoshin pasta?
Are you fucking stupid? If your argument is not faithful to his original vision you can rule out the TV ending too and to some extent every fucking episode. In the creative industry you have to make concessions all the time. The ending product is never a carbon copy of what you had in mind when you first started. Every person collaborating takes it in a new direction.
Seems like false-flagging to me. The movie actually gives some resolution to her character arc. TV ending is more about Shinji.
It's a homobait of it's time.
No one is arguing over the shinjibowl or shipping besides Asukafags.
Me posting Anno quotes or quotes Shinji said from the show isn't any of that shit, you're just triggered by it.
Love transcends gender.
Oh, boy, here I come
>kawoshin
>implying "romantic" context of Shinji and Kaworu's relationship wasn't completely unnecessary and wasn't added there just because Anno wanted to self-insert his dirty fantasies about Ikuni-sama like a selfish homo he is
>implying Shinji's love for Kaworu isn't actually brotherly and friendly rather than absolutely unnecessarily romantic
>implying the whole kawoshin support isn't just a joke among the staff
>implying Ikuni-sama isn't disgusted with it himself because he knows of filthy Anno's 20-year long stalking
>implying Kaworu isn't the most typical and one-dimensional shit character of the show and is only popular because of his Jesus-like escapistic nature and twinky sex appeal pandering to fujoshits
Kaworufags are sure delusional
Waiting for triggered (You)s
Reminder if you like EvanGAYlion and enjoy it, you're a faggot because it's pro-faggot and pro-fujoshit and basically homosexual propaganda and you should all kill yourselves.
Mike Pence should electrocute Anno for making this gayshit.
Homosexuality is wrong.
In the lord and savior's name, stop watching Evangelion and allowing it to persuade people that homosexuality is okay.
>Asukafags mad Anno ruined their headcanon
Surprise, Surprise.
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Why is Evangelion so overrated? Its really not that deep.
>"The Beast that Shouted Love at the Heart of the World"
wait shit, is that a YU-NO reference?
The main problem is "happiness in himself". This requires Shinji to have a sense of self, which Instrumentality breaks. There is no point to the last two episodes if he undergoes purgatory and decides to give up.
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