Did you like the ending?
Shuumatsu no Izetta
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Fuck, how did I not appreciate how beautiful this shot is.
No, it was an unsatisfying, cowardly ending.
and izetta should have died
It was shit since they introduced Sophie. The ending didn't fix it.
Nah. It was rushed and not rewarding.
The only good things about this episode was the fight sequence (before they entered "who can make the biggest ball" contest) and Berkmann's survival.
I liked it as I liked the rest of the show: action and historical stuff are entertaining, character interactions not so much.
Even though we may never know the truth unless Yoshino tell us the answer, but for me it feels like Sophie end up decide save Izetta by collect the Leylines with her, so smiled in last moment, and free from the chain.
It should have been 2 cour.
If Sophie makes faces like that in the bedroom, no wonder the prince wanted her dead.
It didn't need to be longer, it needed a better writer.
they didn't have the balls to kill Izetta
kill Sieg instead
Come on, go hard or go home for gods sake.
You want to cum, don't you?
Sieg's death would have had more impact if he had been shown to be even slightly competent at any point through the series.
Most by the numbers ending possible
Shitty CG airfight
This is definitely the biggest waste of time I watched through to completion this season.
Agreed. This show suffered from a lot of inconsistencies that could've been fixed with a better writer. It had some good episodes, but it's pretty average and really wouldn't recommend it to someone who is looking for something new to watch.
sieg had it coming
it's a good ending for his character
This reminds me that last episode had one of the cheapest drama.
Sieg killed by young soldier
Rocket launched, but drained off magic
It's funnier than it is sad though. He dies because of his own issues over killing a kid to protect his country because of his own carelessness but it was entirely pointless because keikakuman magically figured out the secret in the very next episode anyway. So all his inner conflicts were stupid and pointless.
having your favourite position tattooed on your forehead
Could she be any sluttier?
This. As much as I liked Sophie as a character she didn't belong. Izetta being slowly worn down by the relentless Germanian blitz was the proper conflict for this situation.
Also her voice sucked ass.
degradation in the cloning process means each generation of clones loses more and more morality and becomes more and more depraved
They made Izetta too powerful.
She should have had a power level more akin to what Luke Skywalker was capable of in episode 4-6, instead of Anakin Skywalker in the Gendy Tartarovsky-Clone Wars cartoon shorts where an individual Jedi steamrolls through the entire Separatist Army, and the clones just happen to be background meatshields to look like badasses that are ultimately useless things.
That's true. She was probably the best character of this series, but she ruined the entre premise of the show about magic vs. technology, overwhelming forces being defeated by a character straight from fairy tales.
It's like episodes 1-7 and episodes 8-12 were completely different shows.
I'm surprised Seig didn't have a secret spy hiding in that alleyway to protect him.
The entire show was trash.
it was unsatisfying and cowardly because they didn't mash pussies
can you faggots just literally kill yourselves already
I always got the impression that he was more hardened than this. He didn't hesitate at all to kill Jonas. If he was so empathetic as to be haunted by his murder, he could have just put the kid into protective custody or something. There wasn't any particular reason to believe he'd leak information, just that he became a target for spies. Though it's already dumb enough this all started with Sieg shouting national secrets in the middle of the woods. The ending to his arc was paralleled right against Berkman's, and with his survival it just feels like the moral is that Sieg was too weak to cut it. Nothing about it seems honorable or redeeming.
Yeah, I agree. Thought so too when I rewatched it and noticed Sophie said Izetta's sure to die if she does this. I now think she didn't seriously want to kill Izetta in the first place, just wanted her to change her mind
I actually like that he killed him because it's actually unusually smart for a character to do that in a show. It's just that it was entirely pointless to have with the way the rest of the plot was written.
And end up Sophie changed her mind?
Great soundtrack gotta say. Got some genuine chills when it picked up in parts.
You've got a very cute brand of ESL, user. I like it.
I did. It was totally in line with what I was expecting.
Absolutely not. Sophie deserved a happy ending.
She looks pretty happy here
listening to post-grundge-nu-metal punk about how apart from society she is
Yeah, sounds about right.
implying sophie doesn't listen to kmfdm
Did they really have to make Izetta a cripple?
wanting a witch's hip to move on their own
Be glad that she's not on fire.
No. The magic blast should have killed her, and if that didn't do the job she would have drowned.
is that berkman?
The yuri was just baiting
No, I did not like it.
This post was just baiting
So was there yuri?
Corgi is still that Corgi, though of course looks pretty old in last episode.
He's right though. Izetta should've died. Right from ep1 we've been fed hints that Izetta was going to die. Then Sophie and the magic stone appears out of fucking nowhere and now we're getting a story that wasn't what it should've been. That's not to say that Sophie made it a bad story, but if they wanted to end it that way then the foreshadowing needs to reflect that.
I wanted a gay ending, but not that kind of gay.
The river of magic had so few magic that just a couple of witches drained it on seconds?
Also, doesn't draining all the magic of the world have some sort of consequence? Like plants diying or natural disasters?
And one crystal inside the missile could destroy an entire city but the two giants balls with the magic of all the entire world focused...how didn't they blow half continent?
But eh, even if was retarded at least had an ending, that's more than I can say about most shows so 6/10
in 20 fucking 16
Izetta should've died.
No. She didn't need to die. It's just the ending we got was a halfassed ending that didn't go full happy ending like it should have but also didn't have the balls to go full tragedy and so we got a shitty ending that offers no catharsis or satisfactory resolution.
Two strong witches with the forbidden superstone used the superstone to drain ALL the magic in the entire world. Now there won't be any pseudo-Uranium called Hexenium around.
The leylines have no consequences to the world, and are just a magical source of energy for witches.
Izetta focused the explosion into a beam upwards to the sky.
Apparently she sent the magic to space.
Also two giant balls of magic briefly touching to cause an explosion was a whole different layer of gay.
So aliens can use magic now?
a planet a zillion miles away was full of happy aliens going about their day when suddenly their planet just gets totally fucking annihilated out of nowhere
I wish I knew math so I could calculate the exact, astronomical (heh) probability that the beam would eventually collide with a planet or a star.
Even on BD we will never see Izetta´s izettas.
tfw lotte sees them every day
She didn't need to die.
Okay, I'll grant that at face value, this is true. But...
Izetta: The Last Witch (Jap: Izetta of the End)
The English subtitle really leaves two possibilities - either Izetta dies, or magic is eliminated. The Japanese name leans towards the latter, with a third possibility of total annihilation - but that sort of ending isn't a good fit for the story.
In ep2, we're told that Izetta is the last in a line of gypsies with witch blood, and that she's the last witch. Also in ep2, we see her use her blood as an offensive weapon against the planes. This pushes it very far towards the "Izetta dies" ending, and the series continues to feed us hints that this is how it will end. It's only at the end of ep7 where we see hints of the "Magic eliminated" ending. It could've finished cleanly in 12 episodes if it stuck with what it originally hinted, but having to add backstory and character development for Sophie saps a lot of screen time.
A good story knows where it wants to go before it even begins. Izetta knew where it wanted to go, and I think a lot of us are here not for the yuri but because it showed promise on the basis of the ep1/ep2 foreshadowing. But then it didn't have the balls to carry through with that intention, and that's why it's unsatisfying.
Did Izetta need to die? No, but then the story needs to be moulded around this from the beginning. Sophie should have been introduced earlier in the series, and she should have been a living descendant of the White Witch too instead of a clone.
Things that made me happy:
1. Broomstick date ride
2. Izetta alive
3. Corgi aka best wingman alive
4. Berkman actually alive
Things that made me sad:
1. THERE WILL NEVER BE A DANCE
That hurts, man.
I'm more upset about this more than anything actually.
The story was a setup to have Fine and Izetta's relationship parallel the fairy tale of the White Witch. We start off thinking that the White Witch story is all nice and good and at this point we also see Izetta kicking the shit out of everyone, seemingly undefeatable. Then we learn that the true story of the White Witch was actually bad and things start going wrong for our protagonists. We're supposed to feel that another tragedy is inevitable (as shown by fuckboy's speech) but then our heroes are supposed to defy fate at the end by achieving a different, better outcome.
1. THERE WILL NEVER BE A DANCE
At least it didn't end like Captain America movie.
Why didn't Matthias just tell Sophie to leave?
Either Vatican sent him some kind of a ultimatum or it was his wife's initiative to make Sophie suffer.
I think she's already obsessed with him just like Izetta with Fine. Only difference is Fine is single and loved Izetta back. Makes me feel sorry for Sophie really.
You're right. I wouldn't want it like that but personally, I actually love the Captain American ending.
The other difference is Izetta has a better understanding of Fine's position.
Post your face when Yuri on Ice ends full homo wedding
Yeah that too. Izetta's love for Fine is the purest kind that doesn't expect anything in return. Can't say the same thing for Sophie.
he was an idiot. izetta defending him was the worst part of the episode.
I get they were trying to explain his actions and draw parallels but izetta just came off as a bitch because their situations are completely different.
It was alright.
Honestly, I'm not one for the death fakeout. I didn't want Izetta to die, I just figured at that point, with all the fucking death flags and how much they were drilling it into us that using the stone and magic excessively would probably kill her, why even bother with the "pretend she's dead" part?
I do get why the rest of the world needs to believe Izetta is dead, I do, but the audience doesn't really need that.
The story was a setup to have Fine and Izetta's relationship parallel the fairy tale of the White Witch.
I agree with this conclusion, but again I differ on the details. I expected the things going wrong was going to be Berkman figuring out Izetta's weaknesses and exploiting them ruthlessly, with Izetta being forced into a final all-out effort. The ending and tragedy I expected from ep2 was Izetta ending the war (or more likely only turning the tide against Germania) at the cost of her life.
Well said. I think the fact that the original story turned out to be a tragedy is what saved Izetta's life writing-wise. Because what's the point of the whole parallelism if they'll just end it the same way anyway.
Still too few details about Sophie's past, i won't judge her love to prince yet.
But i would say in the end, the prince did not 100% trust Sophie, otherwise he can tell her about what he worrying before he died, not tell her wife go back stab her after he died.
Oh definitely. I'm not one to judge Sophie's character given how little information we got but if I had to, I would say maybe she was a little bit loco for the prince. The prince was definitely an asshole. No arguments here.
Fuck it. The nuke should have destroyed Landsbruck and then magic should have disappeared, with Atlanta honoring the promise. Otto should have fled to Silveria. I hate perfect endings where the good guys don't lose anything.
Having your country excommunicated in the 15th century or whenever Sophie's time was supposed to be might seem silly in the modern age but would have been a really big deal at the time.
there will never be a prequel OVA showcasing how much of a yandere Sophie really was, ending with the king on his death bed going 'I've made a huge mistake' and telling his children to never stick their dick in crazies
I do get why the rest of the world needs to believe Izetta is dead
No they don't. Finé already explained that witches wouldn't be able to use magic anyway. Fear of magic wouldn't be a relevant reason to hide Izetta from the world.
The reason Izetta ends up living a secluded life afterwards is because she's paraplegic and lost her memory. Finé wants to give her a quiet life of recovery.
implying his last words weren't "worth it"
The bits of flashback we got (assuming sophie or the queen didn't lie) seems to imply otherwise.
On a sidenote can I just say how gay it was for Izetta to be referring to Fine as "my himesama" during the argument with Sophie. Bitches were like two crazy girlfriends comparing notes.
Reminder that Yuri shows like this will never go full homo and confirm anything, leaving you all blueballed.
Meanwhile Yaoi on Ice has gone full homo and confirmed everything.
But that's only how you saw it, not what the show presented.
a quiet life of recovery
I would have loved that so much if it had been true, but it's more likely that Fine wanted to be with Izetta during her final years.
Bitches were like two crazy girlfriends comparing notes.
Most accurate description of the fight.
Bitches were like two crazy girlfriends comparing notes.
And for that the Eiffel Tower had to be destroyed and maybe casualties walking along the Parisian streets who had no fucking idea what just hit them: steel bars from the sky.
It was "meh."
I enjoyed it for what it offered, but a few little tweaks here and there in the writing could have turned a "meh" into a "wow that was good."
I was actually hoping to see a secret society of witches show up, and whether or not they would play an important role. They could have definitly opened up new ideas to flesh out the story of both the world and the witches.
Who knows, they could have dine many different ideas with the world and setting they built.
Will say I loved how it turned out that Mathias was the true betrayer. I actually didnt even consider it, I was still so blinded by the original fairytale.
She blasted it to the sky. That's what the column of light was.
Granted, but if you're following the hints/foreshadowing the show has let out so far, the parallel to the legend should still leave you expecting Izetta's death. Nothing really points away from that conclusion until ep9.
Tank throwing was great. There should be more anime involving tanks being chucked around.
Not "Burn Baby Burn"
Invent cloning technology
Can literally corner world market on personal clone QTs
Resort to military aggression
Germany is literally No Fun Allowed: The Country.
Edgelords please go and stay go.
How do you go from this
Oh yeah part was nice. Not enough to justify the shitty ending, though.
lost her memory
When did they say that?
I watched te episode to completion, I'm sure. Yet all they showed was the top of her head and the wheelchair.
Unless since those were the only things shown and not Izetta's full face for some odd reason.
Im guessing they were trying to imply through imagery.
wheelchair, cant walk. Top of head, lost memory.
It was confirmed since ep11, /y/
Being cucked does things to a person, Sup Forumsnon
That guy just made up his own headcanon since the ending wasn't edgy enough for him.
You're being baited. Stop being cute.
Now that they got the cloning technology from the germanians, Fine and Izetta can make a daughter for themselves.
Was Sophie the painkiller?
Ahh, I thought so.
I was trying to honestly figure out how user got to that logic, but it just seemed silly.
Seems I was right to think so.
Realizing she had the short end of the stick with her chosen royal.
Y-You think I'm cute??
Can i get a template, Sup Forumsnon?
To be fair to Sophie or everyone else, having Fine as your royal gf blows everyone out of the water living or dead.
Font is Edo.
A kiss would have been nice but the night date was in fact better than a simple kiss scene in my opinion.
No it's not. You damn well know that a kiss scene would change everything.
Even if it would, the date was still a more original way to do it, that's why it's better.
Well the date was beautiful, I agree. Maybe I'm reverting back to my old cynical yurifag ways in wanting a kiss. We will never have something as shameful as KnM or StoPani, won't we?
It's not stated outright, but implied by Izetta's voiceovers. There are two details that you need to pay attention to, because it's very easy to miss.
And so the war ended. Without Archduchess Fine and Lady Izetta, the war would've been much bigger
and laster years longer, they say.
She's referring to herself in third person. If she wasn't amnesiac, the dialogue would've used the Japanese equivalent for "us" or "our efforts" or some other first person plural, and been translated as such.
I once asked Archduchess Fine if this meant there'd be peace forever. And she said...
Note that for a SECOND time, Izetta is using Fine's formal title. Ep11 ended with Fine getting Izetta to stop doing that. Their relationship should be well past the need for any formality at this point.
Maybe I'm saying that because I like yuri but I'm not a /u/fag. I thought the date was beautiful and pretty explicit about their relation. I don't think it really need a "kiss" stamp to make it yuri and satisfying.
It's Lotte's narration, user.
It's Lotte who's talking though. Sounds like you're the one with brain damage.
Whoa, you insult me there if you think I'm a /u/fag. /u/ is cancer. I'm a yurifag.
Well fuck, I guess I'm wrong then.
So Lotte is the one with memory loss?
Lotte is just a flesh slave to the All Powerful Footstool.
Dont worry user, I thought it was Izetta too, until she said mentioned izetta and fine and then showed Lotte.
Understandble how it could be missed
special Izetta broadcast on Christmas
won't be subbed because it's VAs
Feels good to be rawfag
At least it was conclusive.
War ended in 1941 because of Izetta
Why exactly? What did she even do?
Involved not!USA, pretty much
Not germans got attacked earlier by all sides, Russia wasn't even invaded
Otto should have fled to Silveria.
Just pretend that he did and Elliot faked his death, we never saw the body anyway
I don't know. On one side I really liked the whole magic vs technology and propaganda thing they had going on, but everything in between the battles was shit and made the anime worse.
Sophie broke the original appeal of the anime, but with her arrival we also got more interesting character drama.
The best route would have probably been that . Izetta getting slowly worn down, then turning to the stone for more power and eventually becoming the demon she was fighting and eventually suffering the same fate as Sophie would have been a better direction and ending.
What's Silveria?, Not Argentina?
Another user, but I have to disagree. According to the last scene in OP, where Izetta flies away and fades, I thought she would go in hiding after the war, because no place for magic in this era. I didn't expect her to drain all the magic though. The legend made me think Fine will be the one to die, but I'm glad she didn't, since, as someone here said, what's the point of parallels if everything repeats exactly the same.
she would go in hiding after the war
I was expecting this too but with Fine not knowing she's alive. Glad to see it's not the case.
Imagine if she actually died. Her last words would have been "Fine". That's gay and poetic.
Well, did they kiss? Of course not. But I will probably like it, as I've been enjoying the entire series. I don't even like the characters.
dont bully sora chan
Thanks Sup Forumsnon. Longtime SOAD fan and I thought the song kind of fits.
I can't believe no one in this thread has mentioned the massive amount of QUALITY in this episode. This is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen. A tragedy that had me laughing for the whole 20 minutes.
Have we been watching the same series or am I the only one who saw QUALITY in every single one of them? This isn't new.
He was hardened but after meeting and talking with Berkman he started having doubts, and died because of that
Only thing that matters was that anime corgi survived.
Also, I feel it's kind of sad that Izetta is reserved to cripple house-in-the-woods waifu. With all the shit Fine's gotta deal with I doubt she could visit very often. I get it's supposed to be a "happy" ending and that Izetta probably would want to fuck off in the middle of nowhere but I can't help but feel like it's a bad ending for her.
I'm sure Bianca can help with some duties so Fine can spend more time with her girl.
Izetta wanted to die for Fine but now she's alive and the himesama thay she loves sees her on weekends and holidays. I would say she'd be pretty satisfied.
she got to see the world where fine can smile
Why didn't Izetta just suck all the magic in the world somewhere far away so that Sophie would be powerless anyway? She didn't need to fight her in the first place.
Remember the not atom bomb?
She was such a cutie.
Matthias was such a cowardly cuck, jesus.
she probably couldn't do it alone. she would've died before absorbing all magic.
she had to face sophie and get her to do it at the same time
Jesus I thought the protecting someone's smile is a meme but damn Izetta. DAMN.
I wonder if izetta has a "do it for her" poster lying around somehwere
To be honest it was shit. Sophie should have had her chance at revenge.. And maybe global domination.
I think they were a little too blatant with showing the top of izetta's head. Just show her face if you're gonna go that far.
It would have been just fine if they showed the feet in the wheelchair and then you see fine talking to someone but can't see who it is.
If they'd shown her face then you would have seen all the drool on her chin, and that wouldn't have been very nice.
Fine is sexy, but not that sexy.
Can cripples still be sexually aroused? I mean can Izetta be aroused if she sees Fine naked?
I just wanted my cute lesbian witch and Archdyke to be happy.
Will there ever be a show like Simoun ever again?
I would like a Noir reboot/sequel.
That technique is bad enough when used to lazily animate. There's no excuse for doing it in a still drawing.
Wake me up when DEEN decides to animate a s2 instead of NTR.
Honestly hate it too. There, 2 seconds on paint.
The saddest part is that Fine will never get that dance with Izetta.
Sophie was a good girl, she dindu nuffin
Reminder that Lotte being the royal dog sitter implies that Fine finally realized that Izetta is nothing more than a dog, a pet.
They didn't kiss, but they went for a broom ride after dark, which is just as good and confirms their relationship.
What, that was 11. Unless they go again.
No, that was what I meant.
did you like burd's voice acting?
Which is powered by magic. The missle was lauched anyway but then got its magic sucked out then dropped harmlessly.
Probably, I'll have to accept this if nothing else comes up.
we didn't get a scene showing her with the germanian spy, telling us how she hid him out of love
I liked Fine's acting in episode 12. I rarely give a fuck about voice acting but her despair was too fucking real especially in two scenes:
1. The way she was saying 'no no' and 'izetta' during the mountain top
2. When she was crying and making a speech in the conference.
Fucking hell. It's been a while since I've wanted to hug a character like I did with Fine.
I didn't like it
yeah that hit me hard
you can really feel her intense anger too, when she shouts at the germanian officer
This series could have been anything. Somehow reminds me of Gargantia, strangely enough. Both series had neat sounding premise but kind of lost themselves culminating on predictable and anticlimactic finale where giving powerful main character powerful enemy seems more like an asspull than a coherent scriptwriting choice.
At least Izetta is really cute.
Yes actually, despite all the flaws.
I figured I may watch it now that it's finished, I had too much to watch this season to keep up with everything. Did they manage to stay together somehow in the end?
It's a sort of "make up your own headcanon ending"
Does anyone know what's written on Otto's clock?
Did they manage to stay together somehow in the end?
The writers just sort of gave up and gave them a somewhat happy ending together.
Seriously, it goes from her being crippled and on the verge of death from abusing forbidden magic in the middle of the ocean with no way of returning to a timeskip 3 years later where they're happily living in a cottage together with zero explanation.
yeah but was it all yuri teasing or did that relationshp lead anywhere tangilbe?
Did they manage to stay together somehow in the end?
short answer: yes
They flew around on a broom together, what more do you want?
Tangible enough, just watch it.
when the bassline is too sick
to not be in any way ambiguous
They went on a magical broom ride in their nighties, gave each other lingering looks, and did stuff like face-stroking. That's about as explicit as it got.
They could literally confess eternal love for each other and people would still come up with some bullshit reason why it doesn't count.
She must be trippin' real hard.
are these my hands?
Yes because best the evil smug win this time
He should've winked to the camera.
idk, a kiss? I mean I guess Sophie got one but I feel pretty cockblocked
Implying Fine wasn't married immediately after the camera faded to black to some foreign prince and deep dicked to produce some heirs that Izetta loved as if they were her own children
They could literally confess eternal love for each other and people would still come up with some bullshit reason why it doesn't count.
to be fair...
Elliot is now the manwhore of Volgan leader?
It wasn't necessary after the ride.
Implying Izetta didn't attend the wedding with a smile upon her face, proud of her dear friend finally finding love
Homura stated she loved Madoka in rebellion and that was good enough for most people.
Karma is a good girl.
I'm going to have to read a lot of fluffy yuri after this ending.
It just kinda feels like you're settling for peanuts.
For me this show ended on episode 9.
Damn yuri magic ruining everything.
What happened to Elliot? Did Basler die?
For me this show branched off into another universe from the one where the Empire rules the world after episode 9
only found it stupid that Izetta still survived
Wouldn't it be much better for this show to introduce Sophie, but take away her magical powers?
She would still had her memories, therefore, her motivation, but the show wouldn't drift away from the initial premise of Germanians seeking ways to defeat magic with the use of technology. Sophie would've been a source of information for the Germanians and help them form their plans and form a smug duo with Berkmann.
Based chinks delivering a better ending.
Well ya bc its an echi
I feel you. Probably the same artist.
Well you're pretty shitty at samefagging, as expected of a landwhale.
I'm pretty much just going to watch it for that and I won't expect much else.
In that case you can skip ahead to episode 11 and drop it after that.
No, that would be dumb.
Whatever you say, Satan.
Episode 11 means as much as it does BECAUSE you know the journey Izetta and Fine have been through. Because you understand their characters. And because you've grown to like them and want to see them happy.
Izetta lived and there was no yuri, so of course. Also last fight with Izetta and Sophie throwing planes and tanks at each other was very satisfying.
absolutely fucking awful out of 10
there was no
Go away already.
Ep11 already delivered before the ending.
make up your own headcanon ending
How so? Only thing that didn't get resolved was the yuribait.
Still misusing that term to this day.
But it was a yuribait, /u/.
No, it wasn't bait.
Maybe with a smoother reveal of the white witch's true story, like with Sieg's family story first, a few eps for that to settle in, then they find Sophie's diary or Izetta gets ancestral memories or something like that for maximum suffering at the climax, to make it really feel like a temptation for her to abandon the whole thing and be a gypsy again.
Come to think of it, we never found out anything about the town that took her in.
/u/ thinks bait and subtext = real yuri
Come to think of it, we never found out anything about the town that took her in
This. Izetta have personal reasons to fight Germanians, but this flashback clears absolutely nothing. Why the only character with proper backstory is Sophie?
Ep11 already went beyond that.
Bait is only when they turn hetero, which they didn't.
It was the crowning of the 10 horrible episodes that followed a good Episode 1&2 combination
I'm really ashamed for having watched this, for having recommended this to friends based on the first two episodes
It's so dumb and bad
Germania shown as some all-powerful empire fucking everyone's shit up
gets completely destroyed within a year
I loved the ending, and how over-the-top the fight was
8/10 anime, will watch again in Bluray
The bait in episode 11 was no different from the bait when both were in the same bed. Nothing happened, they were always friends and will continue to be.
Two lesbians in this show though.
Episode 11 was already a romantic date with caressing of each other cheeks, it isn't comparable to a tickling session, it wasn't bait anymore.
That's just your own special definition. There isn't a solid definition on a buzzword, but it definitely doesn't have as strict conditions that you are trying to force.
Touching someone's cheek makes you gay
I want you to leave.
Well, fire+executions is a pretty clear picture, but when bit characters get their own episodes you have to ask if some of that time could have been spent on the leads.
So Izetta is like in hospice by the lake at the end, right? If she was just hiding but was otherwise okay except for her spinal injury, she'd have been able to wheel herself.
Lotte no longer needs Stool-kun
Why does she even still have it? Keeping it there is just a tripping hazard. Cute, though. She looks like she's grown up into a beautiful young lady.
That level of skinship is allowed between girls without having a romantic connotation. If two guys caressed each other than yeah, hard gay.
Try it with your friends.
They definitely don't apply in this show though regardless.
Because burning villages
We don't know how fucked up Izetta is after the explosion, all they show is the chair and her hair.
Yea, but we know nothing about these people and what they meant for Izetta who was living a nomadic life prior to this event.
In hindsight, one can always come up with something better than what was shown.
But as we all know from your typical anime production procedure, those scripts were written a year ago and had to be adapted and changed once again to whatever the realistic capabilities of the studio and the staff was or whatever the wishes of the other sponsors responsible for supplying the voice actors do.
Is the OST out yet?
3 more days.
No webms of the train and Eiffel Tower scenes? What the fuck are you doing
Please tell me there are at least enough sells so I can get an Izetta fig
To be fair they show her moving her head, so she isn't a comatose or a vegetable.
all they show is the chair and her hair.
And the fucking photograph.
Go to bed, user. You've been awake too long.
I understand you really like lesbians but you must admit you're basing all this on implications. No matter how much you like it, the series didn't have canon lesbian characters.
Also 3DPD girls touch each other all the time, even more intimately than anything the show had to offer.
I understand you really don't like lesbians but you must admit you're basing your argument on implications.
Wait, no, you're basing it on nothing.
You have to have literally been watching this anime with your eyes closed, and your fingers in your ears. You must admit this.
A prototype 1/8 of her on gun/broom thing from FunnyKnights, and GSC has a pic of her in nendo form on their twitter. Personally hoping for a Figma but at least these two they are coming.
That photo is from before the epilogue.
The anime doesn't contain anything that would make the characters lesbian.
B-But they hugged
Your fetish for lesbians is a non-canon delusion.
B-But they hugged
Fingers in ears.
Not sure if serious.
Are you saying that two people that hug are gay? That's a confusing statement considering that's not how interaction works.
I want Fine/Izetta figmas so I can make them kiss and do lewd things to each other.
Lotte is still little when Fine is talking and the photo is shown, which is 3 years before the epilogue where we see what's (left) of Izetta.
Eyes closed, fingers in ears.
They did a lot more than just "hugging"
3DPD girls touch each other all the time
Context matters. Girls don't caress each other during serious conversations.
Not wanting to cover Izetta in hotglue while Fine looks on.
A pole. Goddammit, I hate poles.
I know this pose can only be done with it, but I wouldn't have mind another pose
Yes, they even touched a cheek once. With their hand. Confirmed lesbians, am I right? Is this how this works?
I do too, and swap parts for lewds.
no magic rock
destroyed castle clearly visible
what's (left) of Izetta
I should have known. Forgive me, I shall pester you no more.
The show had its flaws, sure, but I liked how it had a soul. I can't say that much for most of what airs nowadays. I'll remember it fondly, kind of like Sora no Woto
Not that user, but Izetta didn't have a magic rock for the majority of the series. It's only logical it isn't in a picture that's taken before the fight.
In a country full of old castles
Izetta is clearly fine, just lost ability to walk, but that picture is taken before the end.
basically you jack off to the setting
Sora no Woto
Stop comparing this shit to SnW. This meme needs to die. It's almost insulting to even mention SnW and witchtats in the same sentence.
Bro, she only needs the rock for using magic. Taking pictures doesn't require magic.
In a country full of old castles
That looks exactly like the capital palace.
That they just decided to take a photo in front of, instead of taking one in front of a nicer, completely non-destroyed castle.
Makes sense, user.
They did and said a lot more of romantic things than just that and still the caressing part was pretty romantic by itself, don't make fun of it if you can't deny it.
This is anime, not real life.
Somebody wrote this. The things that happen happen for a reason. In other words, if they act like they're gay for each other, they're gay for each other.
If they acted like they were gay for each other but actually weren't, it'd have to be written this way deliberately, like Kumiko and Reina's relationship in hibikek.
it had a soul
It had the soul of an obsessive lesbian teenage witch.
Bro, she only needs the rock for using magic. Taking pictures doesn't require magic.
She also needed it to walk.
You know, to and from photo-taking spots.
if you can't deny it.
Characters touching each other in a series where they are not portrayed romantically is not enough proof for lesbians though. You can't deny this either.
what are wheelchairs
This post totally ignores the clearly visible aging of Lotte in favor of basing an argument around a background of a picture that looks a bit like destroyed palace. I think it should be immediately clear which one is more sensible supposition here.
But they are portrayed romantically, since the moment Izetta blushed to a Fine in nightgown the romantic portrayal started, then it continued, and finally it concluded with their date in Ep11
Kumiko and Reina relationship is added by Kyoanus in clear attempt to cash in some yurifag shekels. I thought this was obvious: I don't understand why you suppose this series operates under different set of rules.
Considering there wasn't anything homosexual in the supposed conclusion of their relationship your post seems kind of dumb.
But they hugged and touched cheek
Is that your idea of solid homosexual relationship?
It doesn't matter WHY it was written that way, user, what matters is that it was.
Izetta and Himesama are fucking gay.
Because Izetta and Fine romantic relationship is a prominent part of this show, it directly contrast with Sophie and the King relationship.
Don't respond. It's not like he's in denial, just shitposting. Report and ignore.
Glad I ain't the only one who thinks so
Yeah let's just stop discussing anything because all oppossing sides are clearly shitposting each other. La la la la can't hear you~! Report and ignore~!
SnW almost had the same shitposters reactions in the threads following its ending. The parallels are kinda funny, actually.
But you choose to ignore the wrong aspects. Sure, the subtext is there, but it exists because it's marketable strategy. If you are to draw parallels you can outright see this is nothing else than subtext. Hibikek is arguably even more sexual than Izetta, and the series is clearly nothing more than subtext. I can cautiously agree that characters are meme lesbians mostly because the thought is hot as hell, but if you at some point make the leap from lesbian subtext into full-blown homosexuality based on these implications, then you are nothing else than a sad victim of a successful marketing gimmick.
I agree SnW had kind of messy ending, but that's nothing compared to the level this series operated on.
There were clear romantic feelings expressed during the date, not just hugging and touching.
Surely you can quote these clearly expressed romantic feelings if they exist, right?
Because I can't give any solid proof of characters being lesbians the other side must be in denial
My point is that Kumiko and Reina act like fucking homos, but they are not. Why? Because the show makes it clear that they're not gay for each other. Reina likes the teacher, Cummies cheers her on.
Your argument was that "girls act like this in real life sometimes but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're gay", and it Hibikek, it happens this way.
In this show however, it's never ever implied that they might not be raging lesbos.
Anime is not real life, so if you want something in its reality to be a certain way then you write it that way. There are no two ways around it.
So it ultimately doesn't matter that they're gay just to cash in on some yurifag sheckels, they're still gay.
For starters, every time Izetta said "Fine" she sounded like she was orgasming, Fine also lean on Izetta shoulder after the ride too while watching the Moon together enjoying each other presence, for all intents and purposes they were basically a couple.
None of this matters, if Izetta didn't destroy magic Fine would eventually betray her to keep her country safe from full invasion.
Your argument was that "girls act like this in real life sometimes but it doesn't necessarily mean that they're gay"
Are you sure you're not confusing me with someone else? My argument was that it's clearly a marketable strategy to make characters ambiguously lesbian, but it's impossible to somehow deduct from this that the characters are actually lesbians. Even considering the fact the series premise, plot and progression would remain practically identical if this subtext was removed should be enough to showcase how it ultimately was just fanservice and a commercial move.
In this show however, it's never ever implied that they might not be raging lesbos.
Because you apparently need proof to prove a negative?
Anime is not real life, so if you want something in its reality to be a certain way then you write it that way.
You understand this is a double-edged sword, right? If your statement that fiction for some reason doesn't emulate the same rules reality works on, which is in many ways somewhat far fetched generalization in my opinion, then there's no practical reason why the creators didn't make the characters openly lesbian. By all accounts, writing the characters outright lesbians without any room for implications would fulfill your criteria of "to be certain way then you write it that way" more solidly.
Again, meme lesbians =/= lesbians.
You know it's true user.
So your solid quotations for clearly expressed romantic feelings is that "someone called someone's name" and "characters touched". How can they be a couple when nothing that would point out them being one happens in the series? If they really were a couple why would the series portray it only in a way that doesn't straightforwardly imply a relationship?
She was ready to let her country burn at the hands of Germanians before even accepting Izetta's help. She'd let her country burn just to save her, unless Izetta insisted upon letting herself be sacrificed for the greater good.
Since everyone's arguing if Izetta/Fine are romantically involved, I'll ask something else. Why so many people somehow thought Bianca and Rickert were in love, if much like with Izetta and Fine there was no actual proof of that given?
Have you never really experienced love, user?
Izetta saying her name is a pretty big deal considering Izetta's situation and position. And they did pretty much everything a couple does in a date, the show was clear while portraying this.
fine arrives at the lakehouse
lotte wheels izetta out
izetta struggles and manages to stand up and take a few shaky steps and stumbles into fine's arms where they embrace and the screen fades to black
That's how it should have ended.
Bullshit, she spent the entire season going muh people. If she really fucking cared about Izetta more than her country she'd have kept refusing Izetta's proposal and would have seeked asylum elsewhere with Izetta while Sophie glassed her home nation.
And they did pretty much everything a couple does in a date, the show was clear while portraying this
Expect for example doing anything that would point out them being homosexual.
They're a boy and girl. So, it's totally different, obviously.
The characters were openly lesbians.
Don't worry. She still has a chance of recovery.
If she placed her duty before her personal feelings and there was no other choice, of course she would. Izetta knows and accepts it, that was the whole point of her dialogue with Sophie
I don't even remember who they were.
When two characters do stuff that characters that are in love do, and the characters happen to be of the same sex, then the characters are homosexual.
If they really were then I don't see how this would spark this much discussion. Also I can't tell if you are just shitposting considering you ignored my entire post in favor of just blurting out your opinion.
She cared about her country, but was still going to do it for Izetta's sake until Izetta insisted upon letting her continue to fight. Just because she had an emotional reaction to the idea of abandoning her country doesn't mean it meant more to her than Izetta. Imagine if you had to let your best friend die to save your lover (not that I'm calling Izetta and Fine lovers or anything), you'd probably be pretty fucking disgusted at the thought of letting your best friend die, but it doesn't mean you'd choose him over your lover.
Usually people who are in love act in somehow sexual way, which is never portrayed in the series beyond "calling a name" and "touching a cheek".
Why are you still here?
I've lost control of my life.
This post totally ignores the clearly visible aging of Lotte
I think it should be immediately clear which one is more sensible supposition here.
Probably not yours, bro.
Whatever Lotte has to do with anything aside (I'm really not even sure why you're bringing her up), she looks exactly the same after the war as she did in the story. It's only in the 3 year time-skip that she looks different.
It was complete bullshit from start to finish. There was no reason for her to even go there if her endgame was just steal the magic from the entire world and blow it up over the ocean. Izetta never gained any kind of character or motivation beyond muh hime. The only problems that they solved were the ones they themselves created, so the whole thing was pointless.
I could have at least been somewhat satisfied if Izetta had died to atone for all the stupid bullshit she's responsible for and all the lives lost because of her, but apparently she can survive a point blank magic nuke that she's explicitly said to not be able to survive because she subscribes to the YuYuYu school of contrived good ends.
I expected it to be bad based on how the rest of the show has been, but this was far worse than I imagined.
Define and give examples of "sexual way" because they definitely did in a romantic way.
You're missing the entire point of this show user. Every character realized that having witches around was too dangerous, Fine would eventually have to get rid of Izetta too.
Is this a motherfucking JoJo reference?
WoW! It took all of you to beat me.
he doesn't believe in the power of love
Love is magic, and Izetta is the White Witch of Eylstadt!
And you are ignoring the fact that Fine was always an exception to this rule of "People are scared of and hate witches" she got a fucking pitchfork wound on her side defending one as a child because she didn't understand why you could just hate people for being too powerful. Technically possible she could have changed her mind over time, but it's equally possible she could have just stayed exactly the same and refused to abandon her friend, even for her country, even for the world.
What about Otto and Elliot then? One word "manwhore" was considered here enough for confirmation, even though it was said by Sophie and how would she even know?
Something that people who are not in love/attracted to each other wouldn't do. Calling other by name and touching cheek are deeds that cannot be used as evidence for romance.
Aye, having Izetta survive a magical nuke was utter bullshit.
They also didn't explore Sophie's story further since she was at the center of the plot the whole time.
This show has proven that smug cunts are always in the right.
What was that old Madoka thread saying again? "Deny the obvious, uphold the inane"?
You guys really latched onto that philosophy, huh?
Just like inception.
Another user, but Fine has changed. It happened during the last three episodes and it's called growing up. Of course, she doesn't give up easily, so she would have tried to come up with something like hiding Izeta, faking her death, etc.
can't stand watching a couple of her soldiers getting executed
surely she would've chosen to doom her entire nation over Izetta
That doesn't count as a proof but I totally agree.
How does this reaction image disprove my post?
Izetta expressed sexual interest when she blushed before the tickling scene, so from that moment her actions became sexual in nature including the date. Fine was more on the romantic side with the actions you posted.
S2 where she recovers and dances with Fine, please. Or at least an OVA.
I'd say the interpretation where you have to stretch implications to fulfill your autistic fantasies is the less obvious in this scenario, though.
The method of stopping the soldiers from being executed was giving up her own life. The method of saving her nation in this theoretical is giving up Izetta's life. She has always been shown to be self sacrificing. Simultaneously she has always been shown to try to stop Izetta from doing anything that puts her in danger, and is only convinced away from it by Izetta strongly insisting on being allowed to do it.
Unless Izetta could convince her to let her die for the sake of the country, there's no way Fine would allow her to do that. She would not sacrifice her best friend for her country, herself, sure, but she made a point repeatedly throughout the series that she didn't even consider this to be Izetta's fight, and that she doesn't owe them anything.
Does this mean the blushing I do because I'm autistic fuck actually means I'm romantically involved? The more you fucking know.
Actually you're right regarding Lotte, I just rewatched.
I still don't think it makes a lot sense series composition-wise. We are held in anticipation concerning if Izetta is alive or not, culminating on brief shots of her on a wheelchair. It doesn't make much sense if this reveal is spoiled before hand, rather it would go directly against the intention and flow of the series.
That's because she had some stupid martyr complex, but gladly she got rid of it by the end of the series. In episode 11 they both reached an understanding of what their priorities should be.
having Izetta survive a magical nuke was utter bullshit.
Do you even know what it was she survived?
Were you even paying attention?
I'm the same person as this post I'm replying to replying to further my point. Fine literally tried to beg Izetta into not stopping a bomb from blowing up her fucking country because doing so _might_ kill Izetta. The fact that you guys think Izetta doesn't mean more to her than her country is laughable.
It's not that simple.
In a hypothetical scenario where Izetta gets to live and have magic, Fine would at first try to sacrifice herself but that would either result in nukes or germania using her own people's suffering to blackmail Fine into backstabbing Izetta.
Furthermore Fine got rid of her martyr side before she heard Izetta's proposal.
She survived something she outright said she could not survive.
invent cloning technology
have to use magic to carry your nuke because missiles are too complicated
The tech level in this show was retarded.
It’s not much of a spoiler because by the time you really noticed it, you’d have seen Izetta anyway.
News at eleven, the whole composition is garbage, Yoshino can’t write for shit. Why couldn’t we get Fine ordering Izetta to come back alive, a few moments of Izetta struggling not to drown without her legs and a heartfelt reunion? Instead we get a tired old cliche that Yoshino uses in almost every story and it didn’t have much of an effect on any viewer by the looks of it.
Not that user, but are you saying a magical explosion that is seen from the ocean to all the way to the Germany is somehow smaller than a magic nuke? Because it makes even less sense Izetta is alive. Guess it was
They didn't show both Izetta's and Fine's faces in three-year-time-skip, so there should be another reason for that, not the fact they wanted the audience wonder about Izetta's destiny
So as they're not lesbians, they will each end with a guy, right, degenerates?
Then what is the reason? Izetta is obviously teased more than Fine.
DNA sequencing and cloning are far simpler on a purely technical basis than guided missile technology.
No, but Izetta blushed because she was sexually aroused as you can see how it got stronger when Fine got closer to her. And the comic of that week says it too.
They just see a light going into the sky. Not the actual explosion.
If you can make a light go straight up into space, it would be viewable from a pretty far distance.
a reason for anything
in a Yoshino show
And they could have easily shown or rather not shown Izetta’s face earlier while being just as ambiguous. The 3 year timeskip makes very little sense.
I also blush more if I'm closer to people.
Also all the characters repeatedly die in the comics too.
Not that user, but are you saying a magical explosion that is seen from the ocean to all the way to the Germany
It wasn't an explosion. It was all magic on earth being shot into space. What Izetta survived was the pain, physical exertion and life force depletion that using the stone causes to her body.
got rid of her martyr side
Bullshit, they had the same conversation they had like 6 times already in the series. "Please don't save my country you might get hurt!" "I want to save your country even if I get hurt!" "Okay fine since you aren't giving me any choice I'll let you save my country, just don't get hurt".
No, becuase Simoun was a show that was willing to take risks with the writing and try to be something more complex and interesting than yet another by-the-book piece of commercial entertainment. Very few shows attempt that, even fewer actually succeed. Simoun is truly one of the greatest anime ever made.
tfw a random alien planet might be hit by this magic burst
That's a mystery to me. Might have something to do with them aging and mentally changing and the story wants us to remember them as they were during the main events?
Meant to quote
The point of the skip was to show that Izetta is in relatively good health after her battle. Despite not being able to walk her life is not in risk.
She accepted that in the end. She would still cry but she'll do what needs to be done
You can do that without a huge skip too, unless you want to make a point out of it taking 3 years until she’s in relatively good health again, which is again rather dumb.
Yeah; once you get past the fuck-ugly CG, Simoun really is a stunning show.
No you don't, don't lie user. A straight girl wouldn't give two fucks about being naked in the same room as Fine, but we aren't talking about a straight girl, that's why she blushed with just her being in the nightgown.
And they don't even die, they just get a bump in the head.
I think bait has a pretty clear definition. Something that is made to look like something it's not as part of an attempt to trick those looking for the thing it's pretending to be.
Which is why she would turn on Izetta as soon as some crying kids from her country begged her to save them and their families.
If we start assuming things happen because series is badly written then we can just start throwing shit around and stop discussing the anime overall.
Try it with your friends
I'm touching my monitor right now, does that count?
Actually no, lots of balls kings got excommunicated a few times but didnt give a fuck by being absolute badasses like frederick barbarossa , frederick II etc. For a full list see here
Only original part in the story, too bad izetta being a mindless drone she is even tries to defend a faggot like matthias.
Please dont even mention god tier works of art in the discussion of lamely written pieces of shit like this anime.
A straight girl wouldn't give two fucks about being naked in the same room as Fine
It depends on personality. Some people don't feel comfortable being naked around other people even of the same sex
No you don't, don't lie user
I actually do, it's more nerve wrecking to be closer to people.
Also I'm not gay but wouldn't be comfortable around naked men. I can relate to Izetta's autistic side which undeniably exists.
she outright said she could not survive.
She said she might not survive.
Do you always automatically only hear the negative when presented with a statement about a possibility, user? That's a very pessimistic outlook.
But then this series would fill the definition? I don't understand.
Sophie explicitly said that she wouldn't be able to survive crystallizing a ball of that size. And that was before they finished sucking in all of it.
No, the conversation would go one of two ways.
"I need to think of a way to save my country" "I can help you save your country by dying" "No! Don't save my country by dying!" "Please I want to save your country by dying!" "Okay fine save my country by dying"
"How will I save my country?" "I don't want to die Fine" "Then run away, or stay here and we'll protect you. We only got this far thanks to your help after all."
uses "might" to avoid depressing Fine even further
survived the magical catastrophe that Sophie said not even she could survive
lost her magic after that
managed to survive the fall to the ocean
managed to survive the ocean itself
It's bullshit user.
It was when she was gathering magic. She said something like "my heart, please, beat for a little longer, my body, please, hold out some more", so it looked like she was near death at that time.
What was the point of the three year timeskip?
And what would the Cold War be fighting against?
Sometimes I think some people here just don't want to be happy.
It exists but taking into account the context it was left clear that it wasn't about that. The comic helped it, but it isn't necessary to see it.
It's all Lotte's dream, the epilogue never happened
To show us that Berkmann and Izetta somehow survived and in the end nothing was achieved because people will still kill each other.
Are you comfortable around lots of other dudes whiel you are naked? If so you are the weirdo.
But the context was just people in revealing clothes. Any socially awkward person would blush in that situation regardless of gender.
Volga and Atlanta both want to try out their new magic toys to carve up an empire because they're dicks, Eylstadt is caught in the middle again.
No, it doesn't.
Sophie also said that Fine was only using Izetta.
She probably prefers to see things her way.
It does. It isn't stated anywhere the characters are lesbians.
That's still turning on Izetta.
People killing each other is common knowledge
I'm just wondering what technology was given since the magic was removed
If you think retarded writers of the show thinks that far you are late by about 11 episodes to come to the conclusion that they dont.
What was the point of the timeskip?
Obligatory for the end of a story.
I just wanted a decent ending.
Probably cloning and magicless rocketry.
Not saying i agree with that user about what Sophie's thinking, but i guess Sophie end up saved Izetta for whatever reason.
The context was the two them alone together in bed, rewatch the scene, those were Izetta's words, it has nothing to do with social awkwardness, hell nobody ever thought anything about social awkwardness when it aired, people started calling Izetta a "bitch in heat" after that.
I wanted an ending where Izetta dies
Fuck off pretentious edgelord
Their actions and interactions state it.
I'm not arguing in favor of his delusional ideas, just stating that there is a clear definition to use as a framework for this back and forth shitposting. Anyone who feels the need to ignore that and create their own does so because they know they can't win if they don't.
wanting her to not survive all that stuff makes me an edgelord
For fuck's sake what is it with this generation of newfags.
I'm just wondering what technology was given since the magic was removed
The real-life Germans thought nukes were impossible before the Manhatten Project. Now they know magic is a thing, Atlanta isn't likely to be satisfied until they bring it back for themselves.
They aren't interactions of romantically involved so they really can't.
The writing was never good enough for me to make excuses on its behalf.
The date was.
Now that the series has ended, post lewd Izetta.
don't you dare!
A sequel will be filled with clone spies
And I thought this series was ridiculous with the spies
You have her with you, Fine.
Calling person by name and touching cheek are not actions directly pointing romantic involvement. We already went trough this.
The only "date" happened in episode 4 and Bianca went to eat pies with them as well. You need airtight yuri goggles to pretend their interaction in episode 11 was remotely close to being a date.
The name is a special case, and explain why the cheek isn't, you haven't even refuted that since the start, that's not what friends do, specially how it was presented this time.
How can it be a date if it wasn't romantic?
he could have just put the kid into protective custody or something
I think that would have been difficult since he was already bleeding out, so only a concerted effort to get him medical attention would have saved his life anyway, and then once he's being doctored it's harder to keep control of him. Especially given that people will want to ask why he got shot.
But that's what friends do. If you claim otherwise you're just detached from reality.
I can't be the only one who thought the name-calling scene was a slight hint of sex. You know, orgasm?
Every single person besides you was calling it a date since it aired. And I doubt all of them had "goggles" dunno who are you trying to fool with this.
I'm not kidding, I need lewd Izetta in my life. Post witch tits.
3 people on Sup Forums calling it a "date" means it's true
Calling it a date is a meme. Don't tell me you took it seriously?
Every single person besides you was calling it a date since it aired
My delusions are reality
It was not a date.
That is not what friends do, I don't care what you call me, but you have no examples of friends doing that ever.
looks a bit like destroyed palace
user, I know you'r ejust shitposting for argument's sake, but that's carrying things too far.
You have to prove why this action that isn't lesbian isn't lesbian
Because it isn't? Rather than that, you should explain why touching a cheek is inherently lesbian thing to do.
It was a romantic date because of what they did, some anons being in denial on an anonymous imageboard doesn't deny what they did.
I have multiple cases of empirical evidence of female friends doing that. Of course for your argument's sake you cannot believe this though, because admitting the interactions you have a prior ruled as lesbians do not correlate with your reality would destroy your entire argument.
What the ending should've been, if the writers had any competence at all.
Some anons being on denial on an anonymous imageboard doesn't make what they did lesbian.
I wanted more Sophie
It isn't inherently lesbian, it's inherently romantic, you have to prove why a romantic action like getting direct contact and gentle care a part of the face of other person isn't inherently romantic.
Why are you even discussing this, those people will even call the girls from Yuru Yuri not lesbians, it's a waste of time
That's not how burden of the proof works though, but sure.
To disprove you I only need to state it isn't inherently romantic, for example a mother can caress a child's cheek, and even if not directly linked with the series, it's enough to prove the actions taken during "date" are not unequivocally romantic. In other words, you cannot deduct from the actions taken that characters are unambiguously lesbians, disproving your entire train of thought.
I'll believe it when I see it, if you can't show real friends try with anime ones then. You'll only find romantic couples doing that.
making copies of copies
not just making copies of the same master
It was a date but not a romantic one. Friends dont romance each other, /u/.
the sky is black because it is unlikely that there is a star in any given direction
That wasn't so hard. If you claim this example doesn't count you are delusional, as there is canon and confirmed male love interest.
a mother can
Not even comparable and you know it, the actions is inherently romantic when both of them are the same age, I didn't thought I had to clarify this.
Me too user, me too.
You know perfectly well what is the case with Hibikek, that show had ulterior motives to do what they did using romantic actions in these cases. This show didn't, it's a show that directly portrays what it shows, so Hibikek isn't a good example.
Not even comparable
Because I say so
You understand that with the same logic you can claim that literally any deed ever is romantic and add your strange set of delusional filters on top? You cannot argue like that. I proved the deeds aren't inherently romantic and the proof is enough, showcasing how you cannot simplify any singular action to on/off scale of romantic/not. Not to mention I never had a burden of proof in the first place.
We already had this discussion this thread. The same ulterior motives apply to Izetta, as fanservice sells. This isn't rocket science.
rifle seems too short
it could be done with her feet on the ground. liftoff pose.
they are not lesbians because that's what the producers want you to think
i think being anime-original helps. that way they can structure the plot and setting to fit into 12 episodes without being compressed or padded too much.
The deeds are "touching each other cheeks isn't inherently romantic because friends can do it" then you showed a mother and her children, which doesn't even apply here for these girls, so if you wanted to say friends can do it without it being romantic, you didn't accomplish it using a mother.
That's like saying a kiss isn't romantic because in some situations, it's just CPR.
Not fanservice when it was crucial to compare their relationship to what Sophie had with her prince.
Hibike has the girls expressingly wanting to fuck men while Izetta has Fine and Izetta thinking about each other all the time, it's not even comparable
Friends touching cheek and relatives touching cheek is still the same deed, you retard. You asked me to prove how something isn't inherently romantic and I did it. In other words, I destroyed your logic where you claim an action automatically equates something. I don't understand how this is so hard to get: you're still trying to add your delusional filters to the statement.
Sure, but if the point of saying CPR isn't romantic was to disprove a statement "a kiss is always romantic" then the claim would be very valid.
How does that equate lesbians?
Not in the context of an argument about whether two characters kissing was a romantic moment, it wouldn't.
No, it's not even close to the same deed, actions also include who are doing them to define them, like the other user said that makes the difference between a kiss and CPR, touching lips randomly isn't enough.
When the relationship between 2 girls mirror a romantic one.
Kiss is much more direct implication of romance than a touch on face, though. Only reason why the kiss-example is even applicable to this case is that the core argument has the exact same formal structure that can be disproven in an equal simple fashion.
Are you a retard? You just keep adding refinements.
"A touch on face equates romance"
"No it doesn't"
"W-Well I forgot to mention that the people m-must be same age"
Again, the point wasn't to prove a touch cannot be romantic, but that a touch isn't inherently romantic, meaning you cannot deduct A -> B. How difficult is this to understand?
How did you get that out of the post?
And people try to deny the homolust. Hehe.
You say they only add those scenes for the sake of fanservice and that's why they are not valid to call a character a lesbian, tough Hibike and Izetta are two completely different shows
straight as a spring
It's almost as if he took the context of what is being discussed for granted because he didn't realize he was discussing it with an autistic robot.
No, it's relevant because it's something that is romantic outside of limited exceptions, all of which clearly don't apply here and bringing them up as if they do and the "it's a romantic action" discussion has no context is pure troll logic. When your argument is equally applicable to kisses not signifying romance, it's time to look for a new argument.
Because I didn't thought you'd play dumb to pretend I mean anything but them being the same age, sometimes context is enough to deduce from where someone is coming from. And basically you're using your apparently found loophole to try to deny what they do wasn't romantic, avoiding the point.
I repeat again, I only proved you cannot deduct A -> B. In case you haven't understood it yet, normally this would be your cue to start posting proof why the deed in fact was romantic, but seeing how you haven't done so I'm to assume you are unable to.
Other user here, you know that Izetta likes Fine in a gay way right? Or are you going to deny that?
user, I know you're feeling pleased with yourself for getting though your first term of Logic 101, but it's really not as applicable to discussions of real-world situations as your lecturer's "Why Study Logic?" slide in Week 1 made it sound.
No you didn't because the context was with characters that were supposed to be the same age, I don't care that you purposely ignored the context, you know it now, so you haven't yet proved that for me to say anything else.
I'll never understand the kind of autism required to watch and post in threads about yuri shows and claim they're not gay over and over again.
for me to say anything else.
Again, burden of the proof was on you in the first place. How else am I to interpret this than you being unable to argue back?
and confirms their relationship.
Good friends? Yeah, I agree.
I don't know man, being tortured for who knows how long does things to you.
They must have some kind of girl/girl friendship fetish
To be honest, I don't understand the point of this whole conversation. Well, the one who denies yuri clearly does it for fun, but why reply to him, I don't get. It's not like he would have changed his opinion even if Izetta and Fine had sex on screen.
Just like Aladdin and his friend Jasmine, sure.
To be honest I would have changed my opinion if the had sex on screen.
It wasn't on me, since when someone has to prove an action that couples constantly do in a romantic context is only done in a romantic context? If anything you need to prove friends can do it outside of a romantic context. I don't need to prove a rule because it's already a rule, you need to find exceptions.
No see, they kissed so we know they're romantically involved.
tfw still no artwork of alizetta and jasfine
We already established that kisses aren't inherently romantic.
If you wanted to see that, I'm afraid you were watching the wrong show. Also it's wrong too because sex doesn't necessarily imply romantic feelings between the characters. Just to be clear I don't mean rape here but some other occasions. For example, Pandora Hearts
has characters who have sex but aren't romantically involved and characters who are romantically involved but never kiss neither confess their feelings.
What has to happen in your life to make you a delusional yurifag who's this far removed from reality?
We were waiting for you to make them. You failed us.
I take it you realize how dumb the "it's not romantic because of something that can happen in a totally different context" reasoning is now, right?
Reading the points the anons in this thread are trying to use to deny the yuri.
Yeah context is only important when it's relevant to him, what a dumbass
Needed more Retoree on season 2.
I don't even want to watch it knowing there'll be few Retoree scenes
Girls are good friends
One shows loyalty towards the other
They don't actually kiss or have a relationship
"It's yuri because I like yuri and because I choose to construe this is yuri."
It wasn't yuri anons, get over it.
It's wrong to stab people, dude. Stop stabbing people.
No it's fine, surgeons do it all the time.
Are you a surgeon?
No, but it's still fine.
It was because of the date.
Otto/Elliot or Otto/Sophie doujins when
The "date" context wasn't romantic.
Man what happened to this thread? I just found this yuri manga and pretend it's Fine/Izetta.
I think the pool episode had a lot of her but the rest was meh.
Two people spending time together alone is a romantic date because I say so
It was, their actions and interactions showed it.
That's begging the question. But what the context definitely was not was parental.
their actions and interactions showed it.
Like when they confessed their love for each other (not loyalty, don't confuse the two) and kissed?
What they did is important too.
Two people reenacting Whole New World complete with emphasis on Japan's favorite love metaphor, the moon, is pretty romantic.
But I proved the actions aren't done only in a romantic context. Granted, the proof is retarded but you have to now prove why the action in question was in romantic context. Which you haven't done, outside "d-date".
I don't need to prove a rule because it's already a rule, you need to find exceptions.
It's not a rule though, as I've proven. But to humor you even further, even this thread has an example of Hibikek. Again, the burden of the proof is on you, and now it's your turn to argue back.
What they did
You're right, They didn't kiss and then talked about how Izetta would sacrifice herself.
Sounds like a hot date.
something is only romantic if a kiss is involved
No like when they did everything a couple does in a date.
Now you're just going again in circle.
Two people reenacting Whole New World complete with the lack of singing and any emphasis on romantic love
Something is romantic if there's no confession of love, no kiss, and it doesn't ultimately lead to either of those two things
If it was really a first date, there'd have been some follow up. There wasn't. It wasn't romantic.
The "date" is "romantic" because I say so
Don't forget the whole romantic broomride before they got to the mountain.
To be romantic you don't have to do anything romantic
Singing is more romantic than caressing someone's face and calling her name while on a magical moonlight escape for two?
Sitting on a stick is romantic
You mean Izetta just wanting to do something nice for Fine and take her somewhere isolated to tell her she was going to kill herself?
A subject showing loyalty for her ruler, and the ruler being sad that the subject will sacrifice themself isn't romantic, no.
Try a not retarded one and you might get an actual serious discussion.
It's hard to believe considering you haven't really countered a simple point, that considering your shitposting, should be easy enough.
people are still responding
That's not what I said, though. Try reading it again. If anything, finally getting beyond the loyalty and respect of "hime-sama" was what the whole sequence was about.
The fact that a kiss was pretty heavily implied aside, you're implying that there's nothing romantic beyond a kiss.
You're probably one of those people who think that a date is wasted if you don't get to fuck the chick at the end of it.
People haven't yet admitted utter defeat
/u/ is leaking
you're implying that there's nothing romantic beyond a kiss
That's not what I'm implying, what I'm implying is that nothing the characters did was romantic.
The fact that a kiss was pretty heavily implied aside
This is the funniest thing I've read entire day. How fucking delusional you must be?
Enjoying the scenery, the ride and each other presence while they share a experience they would only do with each other and with nobody else is romantic. It also happens to be the definition of romantic date.
Sometimes it's fun to reply to shitposters.
Yurifags angrily backpedaling
"I-I'm having f-fun really guys"
How retarded you must be to believe that characters are lesbians based only on how they are both female? I know /u/ is retarded but holy shit.
/m/ is leaking
/e/ is leaking
/d/ is leaking
/c/ is leaking
/cm/ is leaking
/y/ is leaking
/v/ is leaking
/pol/ is leaking
/r9k/ is leaking
It seems you aren't having fun. Why even start this if you won't? Would have been better to leave the thread how it was.
So you could only answer with an ad hominem? Didn't really expect anything else at this point, really.
But it is fun.
I think I kinda like you.
/out/ is leaking
Keep telling yourself that. Your thread was pretty much ruined and you couldn't even argue back. What a shit way to end the series.
(you) is leaking
Sup Forums is leaking
based only on how they are both female
No user, you were the retarded one all along
Does that mean you like me back, user-chan?
Ruined? I have fun like this everyday, and this is by no means the last thread. If you think this is bad I recommend you to not get into this topic anymore.
I will return to this topic every time until you either see the error of your ways or construct a coherent argument.
Just marry him
This thread is fun.
Yeah, delusional yurifags getting shit on by anime and then starting up the same cycle of delusion every season is funny.
I just wish they wouldn't shit up threads so much when people are trying to talk about good shows (obviously Izetta has nothing else going for it).
So if you accept Izetta is yuri why even come to their threads with people that you hate so much, you clearly aren't having fun.
you accept Izetta is yuri
I sad nothing remotely close. I sad it's funny to watch yurifags do mental gymnastics and grasp at straws when there's nothing else enjoyable about a series.
I guess I shouldn't expect much reading comprehension from you since by being a yurifag, you also admit to being retarded.
obviously Izetta has nothing else going for it.
You did. You said it has nothing going for it but the yuri since it isn't a good show for you.
It has nothing going for it except laughing in the threads.
You're not a bright one, and your habit of seeing yuri everywhere is unsettling.
You seem upset, this show was obviously made for yurifags to enjoy and that makes you so angry
this show was obviously made for yurifags to enjoy
Of course, that's why it had the confession and the kiss and the acknowledgement of romantic feelings, right?
Enjoy your delusions.
But you aren't laughing because you aren't having fun.
It had clear romantic feelings during the date that's for sure.