Be me.
Early 30's housewife w/4 kids happily married to college sweetheart. We plan to have at least 2 more kids. He works. I stay home. He makes the living. I make the life worth living. That was our agreement when we got engaged. We do many things on the cheap, like NO TV service. We use Roku's. I cook from scratch as much as possible. Very few processed foods because (a) they aren't good for you and (b) it's cheaper. We buy most of our clothes at Goodwill, yard sales, etc. I furnished entire house very nicely buying used furniture that I sometimes remake w/paint or recover. My house looks nicer than most of our friends homes and its always cleaner. Other than our mortgage we are debt free so we have less stress than other couples our age. When my husband comes home at night, super is waiting for him and I always try to have makeup on, dressed for him, to his liking. He treats me like a queen. Yes, I'm told its old fashioned and I'm wasting my education but I don't care. I wonder why more people aren't doing this.
Old Fashioned Fam. Why isnt everyone doing this?
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please learn how to greentext, I aint readng all that shit my nigga
Pride before
Sounds like my wife......................
>this is greentext
>learn it
Cute, just watch those kids on the fucking computer if you want them to grow up functional. Or just let them on the internet at age 10 to find furry porn and grow up a degenerate. That's a level of parenting that most of your friends will sure disregard and suffer the consequences of as a result. Not having cable is great, though. Advertisements warp kids.
Because of the god damn fucking Jews. That's why. I'm tired of re-explaining it.
>you both went to college
>you're getting clothes out of Goodwill and buying everything used
More people aren't doing it because they get memed into college by people who've worked public sector their entire lives, then end up with too much debt to afford not working. It sounds like you had yours paid for and you're STILL kinda struggling to generate surplus.
It's definitely preferable, but it's also luxury.
I grew up in a single income household and was still taken to museums, plays, zoos, and many other places and we drove a new car. I was also taken to many community events.
That description perfectly fits my mother. Is that you mommy?
And it was still fun, right? Even though it was simple. It was even kind of a treat vs. just playing outside with your friends so mom could make dinner or clean or whatever she needed to be able to do uninterrupted.
>I grew up
>grew
>past tense
>likely a decade+
Welcome to the new age, man.
It sucks.
remember to watch based films like Pixar's "The Incredibles" that show a strong traditional white family
I got that childhood in the 90s. Not too long ago. I also never went to a daycare, had a family that read the Bible together and was against things like illegal immigration, and always had a welcoming home to people so I didn't even have to work to make friends. I was given everything and taught everything including skills and facts of life. Was also given tons of freedom. My dad later confessed to me that he deliberately shielded me from all the bad things going on in my childhood and went out of the way to parent me the opposite way everyone else was.
On the plus side I'm glad I never experienced those things. I don't relate to a lot of the modern struggles and am fiercely libertarian as a result.
Your dad's a bro for explaining that. One thing I've been noticing in my family is that the dads are also trending toward trying to do better, but they don't pass on the wisdom explicitly and instead expect it to just sort of rub off.
I'm glad he did explain it. I've had to hide how old fashioned my family was not only in their beliefs but how I was raised. I've also had to hide how generous my family was. I've had to literally make things up to relate to the peers. But even when some of it slips out they get jealous and hate me for some reason. One could see right through me and said he could tell I was raised old fashioned and given everything.
We don't allow them on the computer without supervision.
Nobody?
>tits or gtfo
feminism
We aren't struggling. We're avoiding debt, paying off our mortgage and saving money
...
I was taught to learn a career just in case a man left me but to also make sure the kid never went to daycare and to stay home with it.
Dude she's a wife and mother have some respect.
We are basically libertarians as well but we supported Trump, not the fake libertarian Gary Johnson.
this is nu-pol. It eats this kind of roleplaying up.
Although if any of the user's on here met this woman in real life they'd hiss about her being a normie and a whore.
Lame. I don't know what your situation is but I grew up lower middle class East Coast farmers and factory workers trying to get ahead. It was shocking and saddening the first few Mormons I met who seemed like they should feel ashamed that they had housewives.
Over time I've found the need to engage people on this subject because there's nothing more important than how you raise your children, and it's like everybody agrees more or less about what it should be like but they're afraid to say it.
Oh wait, you're a woman? lel. Good for you. Old fashioned women make great spokepeople for how things should be. My mother's mother is especially good at that. She doesn't give a shit about tell it like it is.
TRUE!
But do you have any pet niggers yet ? That’s what you’re missing
Jewish media successfully brainwashed an entire generation into thinking that the way families have functioned and thrived for thousands of years is tantamount to slavery.
>t.
>Early 30's
>Two kids, one on the way
>With wife over 10 years
>I treat her like a queen, she treats me like a king
>I work, she keeps the home
>No debt beyond mortgage
Life is good desu
What's wrong with being raised old fashioned? We have less stress in our lives than most people. Neither of us were raised in old fashioned homes but we both had old fashioned grandparents and we've tried to fashion our lives after their patterns.
I didn't hide the stay at home mom aspect but I did hide their ultra conservative beliefs and how I was raised to not show dirty laundry or how many manners I was taught or my family's time with the Bible. I also hid how generous and giving they were and how much they taught me at an early age to look more independent. I had to make stuff up about helping my parents retire or whatever. I was helping my parents but not giving them money or anything. I had a strong extended family to the point nobody went to a nursing home either. Hell I even knew my dad's cousins and were close to them performing family traditions.
But still because I learned things early and I had so many family vacations and family free time and always had good healthcare benefits and a mom who could stay home with me they were pissed at me. They were pissed I got what they couldn't have so I had to make my parents seem more liberal and less giving.
Nothing is wrong with it. It's just that my dad literally gave me the same childhood and lifestyle he had growing up. When people my age even get a glimpse of what I had they get angry at me.
I'd ask if you were my wife, except we only have two kids. Bravo. Well done to you and your husband.
Looks like media didn't succeed in ruining everyone.
I can't believe you faggots are even going along with this Larpapalooza with such little resistance. I'm 100% convinced this thread is some kind of social experiment being done by a university or something.
Bringing back the role of extended family should be prioritized imo. That's an underrated thing to bring back.
But I don't think there's any reason to tell people what you do for charity. It's charity. You do it because you think it's the right thing to do. I don't call that hiding it.
>respecting women
What are you gay?
Reformatted OP's post because of my autism.
>Be me.
>Early 30's housewife w/4 kids happily married to college sweetheart.
>We plan to have at least 2 more kids.
>He works. I stay home. He makes the living. I make the life worth living. That was our agreement when we got engaged.
>We do many things on the cheap, like NO TV service. We use Roku's.
>I cook from scratch as much as possible. Very few processed foods because (a) they aren't good for you and (b) it's cheaper.
>We buy most of our clothes at Goodwill, yard sales, etc. I furnished entire house very nicely buying used furniture that I sometimes remake w/paint or recover.
>My house looks nicer than most of our friends homes and its always cleaner.
Other than our mortgage we are debt free so we have less stress than other couples our age. When my husband comes home at night, super is waiting for him and I always try to have makeup on, dressed for him, to his liking. He treats me like a queen.
Yes, I'm told its old fashioned and I'm wasting my education but I don't care. I wonder why more people aren't doing this.
No I mean I went out of the way to say my family was the opposite like how I was expected to take care of retirement. Sure my family will live with me but I gave them the impression I'd actually pay so that I could relate myself to the financial struggles of my generation. I never even had student loan debt. Because if I don't go out of my way to relate to the struggles of my generation people think of me as this privilege spoiled brat.
Thank you. Kudos to you as well. We're on our second home. Both homes were fixer uppers. My husband is handy and was able to do most of the work himself. I helped with painting and some tile. We plan on selling this house and continue doing that until we no longer have a mortgage at all but this house still needs some work done on it. We enjoy fixing it up though.
meh. Hope it gets better for you. My parents paid my way through school and when I tried to pick up the loans afterward they refused and told me that was their gift to me. I believe in leading by example and it should be a social norm to say things like that.
They know I'm going to take care of them in return as they age. I've already signed on to various kinds of end-of-life planning, and I'm learning from how they're having to deal with their parents dying probably before too much longer.
Your nostalgia is horseshit, the true way is extended family and clan living.
tits or gtfo
To each their own but this works for my family.
>Why isnt everyone doing this?
>Can't afford college.
>No sweetheart.
>Already scraping by just supporting myself.
>Can't even begin to think about luxuries.
Damn near half of men throughout history died alone. Sounds like you got a sweet deal, OP. Don't ever waste it. For the rest of us, we gotta get by on what we have.
>im 36
>wife 27
>2 handsome boys
>own house
>no debts
Bonus: Wife enjoys dressing in period clothing from 20's to 40's and some hippy era too for when we have fun together.
I like vintage clothes too.
This was weird. I was working class but because my family was union I was able to get the old 1950s lifestyle in childhood with my dad only working 40 hours a week with tons of vacations and places to go. When my mom decided to work more we were effectively upper middle class income and no one had to take loans for anything. Tax breaks paid for so much of it. If my parents ever get sick when they get old they're living with me.
Provided you're not a LARPing faggot, how do other women feel about your decision? Do they become jealous of your position and wish to be a housewife as well, or do they pity you and believe you're being "held back"?
Thanks, I wont. I sincerely appreciate my husband and our life. I guess I just wanted to people to realize this is completely doable if they try. It does take effort though.
There was a girl at my workplace who wore these old fashioned sun dresses and stuff for a while. At first I was like
>oh boy here we go
and then I was like
>man that's so hot
>better not say anything since she has a boyfriend
and I am helping my parent now (not financially but other ways) but sick as I mean like Alzheimer's or completely out of their mind or severely disabled. My dad says he'd rather be put down if he got like that but I don't think that's good.
Some friends tell me I'm wasting my education, etc but then I look at their lives and most are miserable or it seems to me their miserable. They bitch a lot, most are divorced, etc.
I hope that i will find a women that want to be a good housewife like this. Church seems to be the best place to find a girl like this
>put down
That's rough. There's longevity in my family and it's really tough when they get to the point where they're ready to go, and actually they want to go but they can't really say that, and then you have to sort of figure out what's the right thing to do from a medical perspective.
I'll probably have to make some of those decisions some day. Not really looking forward to it. But as a guy I definitely sympathize with wanting to die with dignity when it's pretty much over.
We don't go to church and we didn't meet in church but I'm sure that's a good place to meet people. We do read the Bible to our kids but we don't belong to any organized religion.
Sounds great and I wonder the same thing but I get the feeling you're just a larping literal faggot day dreaming about being a housewife.
>mfw I'm right
I forgot to add that sometimes girlfriends get pissed because I never go on any girl-trips with them but my husband never goes on any guy trips either. We've never spent a night apart.
No one cares whether it's roleplaying or not. We're discussing the ideas, not the person who posted them.
I don't know why anyone would larp about being a housewife but if it makes you happy to believe that by all means, carry on.
>social autist
>religious and concerned that if i have kids they will grow up in an immoral culture and become absorbed by it.
We'd call her a roastie, newfag.
>go back
People like you are a nursing on society.
You are the type of person to pay taxes to buy police more guns to shoot your kids because they said no to a rapist cop.
Not only that. You won't rise up when it's needed to fight for the rights of your dead children.
You will continue to lay taxes and not give a duck about God or humanity.
Lydia and your senpai
Do them a favor.
Your husband must make a shit ton of money if you have enough time away from all of those kids to shitpost on pol.
Women don't do this because their hypergamous nature is now maladapted to the modern 1st world environment, the greed of using their natural sexual market value (that they do not earn) to extract as much resources from men as possible means hopping from dick to dick as they ride the cock carousel.
The few men at the top who won the genetic lottery and have good looks plus have a high enough IQ to make a good living soak up all the pussy, but never settle because why would you?
The average man is only of interest when he's older, has an established career and a home, and then once women fall off the cock carousel they'll look for a beta bux to marry and take for all his money.
The divorce rate, alimony rate, child support payments all prove this, and men are wising up to it and going their own way.
That tradcon lifestyle ain't coming back no matter how much men fantasize about it, the reality of the pill for women, womens voting rights, and a re-distributive welfare state all prop up this dysfunction.
The 2 youngest are playing together in the same room I'm in. The 2 oldest are outside in the yard. This is the first time I've ever started a thread.
Can you teach my wife how to cook and be frugal?
Good for you user. I hope this is true because that sounds idyllic, it's certainly the life I'd want.
Unfortunately my hs sweetheart left me for some scumbag while she was on exchange.
I'm hopeful that I'll find someone worthwhile in the next few years and in the meantime my life is going well.
Wait... I mean, post mommy milkies or GTFO!
>Early 30's housewife w/4 kids happily married to college sweetheart, we plan to have at least 2 more kids...
Fucking Christ your life sounds miserable. This isn't the 50's anymore, Betty Jo.
I want this now, when it's virtually too late. Got sucked into feminism and being libtard and now am probably too old. I'll be a warrior instead, fighting for other girls to prevent them being like I was. It's the least I can do for society. I'm starting a charity with my mother and sister, to pay the legal fees of girls victimized by grooming gangs, and we have other things planned too.
Because that isn't good for the kike agenda. They want all goys to be fags and families destroyed so the state can take complete control.
It's not a perfect life I'm sure. We've had up and downs like everyone but we work through them. Like I said before, it takes effort and determination but we both knew what we wanted when we got married. Neither of us grew up this way.
I should be in a place earnings wise where my wife can stop working and do the full time house wife thing. We've been talking about it for a couple years now, it's just the cost of living is very high where we live.
How old are you? I want to know what you think is too old to start a family.
Never give up. I admire your generosity to others. That's important too.
Now that you're done spewing standard MGTOW and r/trp blackpill talking points, allow me to retort.
1. The game cannot be changed if you don't play it in the first place. Women will not change to meet the standards of men they will never meet.
2. Men are sexual creatures and no online movement will get them to give that up
3. For most men, wives and children are the most meaningful things they can work towards. I think almost all men know about divorce rape by now, but they still get married. And why? Because they do not put their personal wealth over their genetic future.
4. Bitterness with the system and male-female interactions is not the best way to approach your life plans
5. You gain nothing from posturing and overexplaining things online.
I have to finish getting dinner ready but I'll check back later.
Are you me?
get rid of your fucking goldfish attention span
>Wife enjoys dressing in period clothing from 20's to 40's and some hippy era too for when we have fun together.
>mfw I will never experience this
Post tits or gtfo fag
Sup Forums often makes fun of adopting, but it honestly is a very noble and viable option.
You sound gay and retarded, but I'm heartened you're a childless faggot.
You could always buy her a dress. Maybe she'll like wearing things that make you happy.
THIS
What the fuck has happened to this place?
Is it? My wife has had two miscarriages and she's 35. It's starting to look like an option.
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you could have had it all, white man
We wanted to do the lifestyle too as you and your hubby does but my back got injured at work so that stuffed that idea up sadly. She used to do what you did before with having dinner ready for me when I get home and looking pretty for me at night too but oh well, life happens.
Yeah I mean if there's something wrong and you can't make your own babies, that's one way to raise a family.
There's an infertile couple in my extended family who has adopted some siblings from a god-awful white trash woman who had them taken away because she can't stop shitting out literally tard babies because she doesn't understand you can't drink when you're preggos. It's sad. But at least they're not disappeared into the government-run pedo rape rings.
Can you imagine they taught this in school? They did!
>1
Maybe they'll change, maybe they won't. Maybe they'll need to hit rock bottom in happiness before they realise the feminist rubbish wasn't going to make them happy. MGTOW isn't about creating change it's about protecting yourself from the toxic system that treats men like disposable wallets.
>2
Isn't a movement. No one is asking anyone else to give up anything. We identify ourselves individually as MGTOW, that's each mans choice, we just discuss the dysfunction and tactics to deal with it.
>3
Actually they don't still get married, in fact you only need to look at the marriage rate in steady decline to know that. It was only the other day the BBC was publishing that unmarried but cohabitating couples are the largest growing group.
This indicates exactly what I'm saying, the system is brutal on men, they decide to cohabitate instead of marry but people are edging for "more fair" laws so that essentially unmarried women have the rights as married ones. There's already legislation going through UK parliament that will give cohabiting parents the same rights as alimony even if they do not marry.
>4
I'm not bitter about it, sure at first it sucks to find out that it's basically just one massive scam and you're the target, but people only stay bitter about it for a while, then you move on an accept it and eventually it just becomes about finding the next best thing that you can cope with, finding fullfilment in your career and building a stable life for yourself.
>5
Wrong. You need to communicate with others your ideas to even be able to think properly, Peterson points this out over and over. Every time someone argues and fails to actually tackle any of the arguments or refute any premises/stats you can be a little more sure of the validity.
Plus it's extremely intellectually stimulating to debate ideas and learn new perspectives.
When you get back, OP, I'd like to know what it is you do besides taking care of the home and the family. I think women have a lot more potential than that, and I mean that in the sense of having artistic talents. My aunt is a stay at home mom, for example, and she is an accomplished pianist and was a music tutor for some time.
Even though Sup Forums expects more out of the average woman than the average man does, I still don't think we expect enough. Caring for the family does come first, but that's not all we are as people. Should I find a worthy woman, I'd want to bring out the best in her in all ways. She should be writing a novel, painting a picture, doing something other than watching Netflix after the lessons are over and the house is clean. Looking the best for your husband is a wonderful thing, but it's not the only way women should pursue beauty. They should try to create as much of it as possible, not only for others, but for themselves, as an expression and affirmation of the joy they find in life and the wonderful memories the have
You clearly are trying to create change and you clearly are a movement. You have a label, signs and symbols, prescriptions for what members of the movement should do, ways that you would like to see society change. You spread information around all the time. Maybe you don't intend to recruit people, but that's the effect. I don't know why you always deny it.
Anyway, you're proving my point again. Even if men aren't getting married, they're still staying in long term relationships with women. Doesn't matter what you do. You can't keep the sexes apart on any large scale. It's just not feasible.
You do seem to be bitter, as you and your ilk keep spreading this blackpill nonsense everywhere you go without bringing up any productive counterpoints. Which plays into my last point. Nothing you said in your first post was new information to anyone browsing here. You gained nothing by posting that except further demoralizing people from doing anything about it. And maybe we can't do it on a societal scale. But we can set our own lives in order, and that's what your information should be focused on. The macros are only important insofar as you can apply them to the micro. I would think that a Peterson watcher of all people would understand this.
I see no mention of a robot gf in your mini wall of text
Because I live by pic related, but I'm grateful man, that shit is pervasive. Basically everyone I know outside my family eats that shit up.
>Are you me?
I'm you if you'd never been raped by an emu
>Implying I have a wife
>Implying I have a girlfriend
Having a label, a sign or a symbol doesn't make you a movement, almost all things that have these attributes are not movements.
There are no prescriptions about what anyone should do. A man who was prescribed what to do by other men would not be a man going his own way, by definition.
Spreading information doesn't make us a movement, there's a demand for discussion on the topic because when want to get the point of view of other men, what happened to them, hear peoples stories and learn what traps lay ahead. I want to hear the married mans divorce rape and fight for his family, it's what informs me about what the world is like. Discussing that doesn't make you a movement.
Sure that news spreads and as more cautionary tales get out there, more men adopt MGTOW as a personal philosophy, willingly and of their own decision, because it actually makes sense to those people.
What makes you a movement is having goals, such as political goals. Working as a group to achieve those goals, by making changes to society. MGTOW is individualistic, if it was a movement with common goals then it wouldn't make any logical sense to call it men going their OWN way.
Calling me bitter is just an accusation, there's no actual argument or substance there, it's just an emotional attack. I could just as easily call you bitter and where does that get us? No where. Not interest in personal attacks, I'm interested in the facts.
Almost nothing posted on pol is new information except for maybe breaking news, everything is discussed over and over again, because it's interesting. And because new people come to pol who get to read the debates for the first time and add their own opinion.
The truth is often demoralizing, the world is a harsh shitty place, if you want to do something about it then great, MGTOW aren't actively opposing you. Yes I agree with you, sort yourself out first, that's what me and many others are doing, women in the equation is not a prerequisite for that.
I'm sure there are ups and downs, its the fact you're willing to work through them that has made you so successful. One of the big messages of modern society is that you can and should be happy the whole time, that everything should be easy. People hit one obstacle and they give up instead of struggling through.
I see that daily in people who come to me complaining of depression or difficulties at work, and I saw it in my ex when we hit a rough patch - she immediately ended because she thought she deserved everything to be perfect ... only to call me months later begging to get back together.
Anothet piece of propaganda youve managed to avoid is the comsumerist buybuybuyworkworkwork culture of the modern west. Buying secondhand and cooking meals from scratch is something too many people these days think is necessary. I grew up in a family on welfare so we had to rely on that to survive (or at least it would have been stupid not to). Even now that I'm a doctor I've kept the same habits and couldn't be happier.
>almost all things that have these attributes are not movements.
Bullshit. MGTOW is not a company, it's not a non-profit, it's a common collective of people that identify under a certain set of ideas and symbols trying to change minds. That is what a movement is. If you were not trying to change minds, you would not be sharing this information, especially in the structured, robotic way that you shared it.
>There are no prescriptions about what anyone should do
Also bullshit. You may not intend to get men to give up on women, but that is what sharing this information does, especially in the absence of productive counterpoints as I noted. Do not pretend that your information does not have a bias in the way you frame it.
>having goals, such as political goals.
Which you all have. You want to change the narrative of the conversation about gender relations. You're on the politics board. You obviously see this information as politically relevant. You speak about things on a broad scale for a supposedly "individualist philosophy." Again, I don't know why you're lying about this. What's the point?
>there's no actual argument or substance there
I never was calling you in particular bitter. I was calling the mindset your poisonous movement inculcates into people bitter. You share this information about how shit's fucked, people notice these things in their personal life, they get sour on male-female interaction and decide to shut themselves off from it. It's not healthy. Nor is hedonistically fucking broads as you people sometimes claim that some of you do. We all have a need for real human pair bonding, and what use is this information if all it does is get in the way of that?
Understand that I have no objection towards your information. It is important to know the truth. What I have objection towards is the way you present it and your purposes for presenting it.