Libyan Slave Trade

Was backing the Libyan rebels in the 2011 civil war a mistake?

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So he blames the jews?

Well at least black ppl are starting to hate Obama and Hillary

thanks obama

>the people who are enslaving africans are muslim and POC therefore FUCK WHITE PEOPLE

No, he blames Obama and Hillary.

Obama has often said that the biggest mistake of his presidency was not having an effective strategy re: Libya after the rebels killed Gaddafi, but NATO had legitimate reason to get involved.

He just needs to Google the 14 American and European countries that operated together to kill Gaddafi to find the culprits.

>we came, we saw, he got horribly knife raped to death *hideous witch cackle*

thanks obunga

>the 14 American and European countries that operated together to kill Gaddafi to find the culprits
You mean the ones that provided air support in the form of a no fly zone to aid the rebels on the ground?
This wasn't like 2003 Iraq, where the U.S. was an invading force. Libya had already been embroiled in a multi-factioned civil war for a month before NATO involvement. Even if NATO hadn't gotten involved the country would still be in chaos today; there was no way Gaddafi could've united Libya again after half the country had risen up against him.

>enslavers arent responsible for slavery

It's only good if Arabs enslave them before they get here, also it's the stupidest form of slavery ever when they voluntarily travel into Libya and get scammed of their boat ride for European welfare. Suddenly they have to take Arabs' trash jobs even if they weren't threatened because they don't have a ride back home either.

Don't want to be slave? Don't go.

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>NATO had legitimate reason to get involved.
kys

Make no mistake though, the Arabs and Negroes weren't getting along fine pre-war; they were segregated completely, and Qaddafi's iron fist kept the natural order from happening.

Half of Syria had risen against Assad too but having the only air force in the fight does miracles.

Yes he could have, Libya is a desert country with only a few cities and half a dozen roads connecting them. Without the no-fly zone the rebels would have been easily contained

Are you retarded or just a paid neocon shill you disgusting piece of shit?

Regular army was on the brink of totally defeating the rebels/islamists, but then the (((no fly zone))) started destroying the air support, and then started targeting flying tanks, guns, depots, media and communications of Libyan Army.

Western special forces officialy operated on the ground to support the terrorists, and God knows how many mercenaries and scum like Foreign legion were sent clandestinely.

His surviving son will be part of re-united Libyan government.

Found him!

How stupid do you have to be to not see through the looting of Syrian golden reserves, the golden petro currency cause, and the fact that leading aggresor countries owed huge amounts of money and their concessions were set to expire soon?

Or the fact that "no-fly zone" enforcement immediately found flying tanks and artillery, in addition to flying buildings and bases?

It takes a country, what, half a century to heal from a civil war? Libya would still be in chaos today, and a long-lasting civil war on the border of Europe would be even more destabilizing than what's happening now.

You views on legitimacy are different from mine, I'm sure. Isolationism is reactionary 19th century way of thinking. Tell me though, since you love Stalin so much, were the imperialist invasions of Czechoslovakia and Hungary "legitimate"?

Obama's rescinding on the "red line" was a huge mistake.

You have to be trolling, you know that the Syrian (((rebels))) are literally al-queda right? You remember, the ones who blew up those big buildings you used to have in New York?

>He thinks there weren't Americans fighting with the Libyan rebels
It was a fully sponsored and supported overthrow of the legitimate Libyan government by the US. Who the fuck do you think got them to rise up in the first place. The whole Arab Spring was a CIA coup.

thedailybeast.com/americas-secret-libya-war-us-spent-dollar1-billion-on-covert-ops-helping-nato

Probably took like 5 years for us for state business to return back to normal, which would have already happened for Libya too without foreign involvement.

No fly zone is the biggest joke ever. If you think it's okay to dictate such things on other countries why stop there, take a map and start drawing no gun zones and no tank zones too. It's always done to damage their army to help the enemy win.

>You have to be an isolationist to not support over throwing foreign governments using thinly veiled pretenses
Kys Bill Kristol

They threw ghaddafi over, because he was ought to install gold value on money. I mean it's pretty serious.

Obama’s presidency was a mistake.

>over throwing foreign governments using thinly veiled pretenses
Once again, this wasn't Iraq. Rebels overthrew Gaddafi with NATO aid. Because of Libya's geographic location and geopolitical importance, it is impossible for a full-scale civil war in the country to *not* embroil the surrounding countries. When was the last time a civil war was completely "contained" within one country with 0 outside involvement? The American Civil War? Would it be wrong for a Gaddafi-led Libya to protect its interests if there was a civil war in neighboring Chad? Oh wait, that's right, when Chad had a civil war they got involved.

>Probably took like 5 years for us for state business to return back to normal, which would have already happened for Libya too without foreign involvement.
The circumstances were very different, Finland was coming out of WWI and had their first crack at independence, everyone wanted peace.

He was working to unite Africa into it's own power Bloc which would have fucked over Chinese colonialism on the continent.

Yes, part of this was undermining the Petro Dollar.

Hey everybody, it's that TV pundit that agrees with ever U.S. military action in existence

Define those reasons.

yes

>Moving goal posts this far

Just another excuse to keep niggers in Europe
Damn kikes

Before the US intervention Libya was the least poor African country.

After Gedaffi’s death they now top the list.

Then the human trafficking into EU started via Libya
#ThanksNATO

>hundreds of cruise missiles and other munitions dropped
>US/NATO forces destroyed hundreds of targets including: communications, air bases, radar, antiaircraft batteries, fueling, artillery and armored units

And like others have said, we gave them CIA and DoD intel, communications, financial and logistical support.

Our involvement killed more than 20x as many people as evil (practical secular) Gaddafi.
And now religious extremists are running the show instead.
Like we did in every shithole during the 'Arab Spring'.

our foreign policy for the last 100 years has been a huge mistake

Your logic is flawed because it assumes our only choice was supporting the rebels. Had Russian not trusted the West things would look much more differently. In fact, what NATO did in Libya is why Russia is involved in Syria.

Duh. Gaddafi was threatening a departure from central bank jewery. Ban imports, scarcity rises, civil unrest follows, call it grassroots, kill Gaddafi, install puppet, profit.

Literally the Jews favorite trick.

It was always there.

Niggers are meant to be slave's,the Arabs in Libya know Niggers are meant to be slave's.

>NATO had legitimate reason to get involved.
Please pray tell what reason?
Gaddafi was a powerless third rate despot who was as dangerous as a newborn kitten. This was also the case with Hussein and the Iraq War. He was pretty much contained, and would have been eventually killed by his own people, which would have had a better outcome for we the US. Both Bush, and Obama were doing the bidding of their masters in the NWO. The plan has always been to destabilize the region to keep us in a perpetual strange danger footing. This also includes the whole Syrian conflict.

IF I GO DOWN EUROPE GOES BLACK

Obama's black or white side has the blame then?
I'm guessing the white side.

>Your logic is flawed because it assumes our only choice was supporting the rebels.
What other choices were there?
>In fact, what NATO did in Libya is why Russia is involved in Syria.
You don't think it's the fact that Russia has had a naval base in Syria since 1971?

>And now religious extremists are running the show instead.
Willfully ignorant misrepresentation of what's happening on the ground. ISIS in Libya has been defeated and the Shura Councils have been kicked out of the most of the cities they occupied.

He was pretty much contained, and would have been eventually killed by his own people
The Arab Spring was spiraling out of control by March 2011 when NATO got involved, nobody knew what was going to happen. Better to contain and end by far the most violent civil war (at that moment) than allow it to fester. I'm not defending the Obama administration for how they handled the aftermath, but the no-fly-zone was necessary.

>The no-fly zone was necessary
Fuck off you neo-cohen shill. It was a full scale military intervention with SF "advisors" leading rebel units and the USAF and USN acting as their air force.

(((US))) did Qaddafi so wrong.

>Was backing the Libyan rebels in the 2011 civil war a mistake?
No because it would have collapsed the global economic system.

America's monopoly on oil would have run out and all those transactions backed by the USD would cease to exist bringing back over 10x more US dollars than we currently circulate inland. This would have led to such bad inflation the US economy and every currency tied to ours would have ceased to exist over night.

TL:DR Allowing Gaddaffi and other countries to back their oil transactions with something other than the USD would collapse the global economy to a state worse than the Great Depression

Lets start a patreon for slave traders in Libya.

Sup Forums wants white supremacy and the hegemony of Western civilization, yet cry when their "chosen" black or brown dictators are toppled.
The contradictions never cease.

Too big to fail, huh?

yeah yeah thats it keep it coming draw them in...I cant wait to see their faces when WE corner then against themselves

I don't give a shit about Libya other than the fact that their down fall opened the flood gates that are turning Europe brown. It's not a contradiction in any way.

My issue with you is your pretending like NATO only put up a barrier around Libya and let the civil war play out naturally when they actively attacked the Libyan military and government infrastructure and lead the rebels they were paying in combat.

>Too big to fail, huh?
not necessarily.

It's a lot like Jenga. The USD is the foundation of the global economy, as we are currently the world's reserve currency. We are the foundation. The minute you pull the foundation, USD, the whole thing implodes.

Regardless, the USD won't last another 10 years but the US is trying to keep its power for as long as possible

>implying the two are mutually exclusive
You are an imbecile.

Toppling Gaddafi was retarded, we've already established this. It was only a civil war instigated by NATO in the first place to get rid of a country hostile to them and to spread its sphere of influence under the guise of "spreading democracy". NATO imperialism with a humanitarian face.

>muh board consensus
Spot the pathetic redditor

>ISIS in Libya has been defeated
Remind me again how it was that they got a foothold in the first place? Oh and let's just forget to mention about the part that Libya still has several warring governments and much of the country is controlled by tribal rebels, eh?

>My issue with you is your pretending like NATO only put up a barrier around Libya and let the civil war play out naturally when they actively attacked the Libyan military and government infrastructure and lead the rebels they were paying in combat.
Not "pretending" to believe any of that. My contention is that this was a different situation from Iraq in 2003 in that this was a civil war already in progress, not an outright invasion on our part.

>their down fall opened the flood gates that are turning Europe brown
You're simplifying a complex situation. Libya, even under Gaddafi's control, has long been the jumping off point for African migrants trying to escape to Europe. The destabilization of Libya after the caretaker government collapsed did not cause the various sub-Saharan African conflicts that are driving all of those migrants north.

>Remind me again how it was that they got a foothold in the first place?
Obama's premature withdrawal from Iraq in 2011 allows ISIS to rapidly expand and arm their allies throughout the Arab world. Libya dissolves into a low-level civil war after the Government of National Accord falls through due to rival factions, the Tobruk-based government is too weak to protect several of its cities from attacks by ISIS in Libya and various Shura councils.

Meet the new who got the countdown going to kill Gaddafi. At least some commies hit him with pie.

/pol is always right

>Not "pretending" to believe any of that. My contention is that this was a different situation from Iraq in 2003 in that this was a civil war already in progress, not an outright invasion on our part.
So you're arguing against a straw man because I never even implied it was in any way like Iraq. There's more than one way to overthrow a government.
>I'm totally not using vague political terms that sanitize and down play NATOs actions in Libya
Yeah fuck off.

>The destabilization of Libya after the caretaker government collapsed did not cause the various sub-Saharan African conflicts that are driving all of those migrants north.
No, the rise of a US backed ISIS spreading over the continent did that. Destabilizing Libya meant there was no longer a gate keeper to keep them in check.

Based Al.
But Sup Forums and Ghadaffi knew that removing him was to create slavery, and the ruin of Europe. This is the point of ZOG efforts.

>comparing CIA fags and a few SpecOps supporting a native revolution to sending in the Abalama National Guard to stand in front of IEDs in Baghdad for ungrateful scum
Come on man. Just no.

>US backed ISIS
Alright, take your paranoid RT-begotten conspiracy theories to /sg/

>Destabilizing Libya meant there was no longer a gate keeper to keep them in check
>keep them in check
Tens of thousands of migrants were making it through that "gate" every year long before 2011.

Gaddafi killed American babies. Fuck him, fuck you, fat pussy and fuck King Nigger.

>Sup Forums wants white supremacy and the hegemony of Western civilization
>yet cry when their "chosen" black or brown dictators are toppled
What of it is contradictory? I'd rather want the west to isolate itself from the rest of the world for its own sake. We need less immigrants and refugees coming here and being a net drain on us both economically and demographically, and the best way to ensure that is by supporting a strong and stable leadership in unstable third-world nations under leaders like Assad or Gaddaffi.

>Gaddafi killed American babies

It was a war crime. Hillary should be sent to Libya to stand trial.

>Badass Nationalist hates kikes
>Doesn't protect his own people
Holy fuck son, soy would be a step up. Your gynecomastia inflated nipples flow rice milk.

Was the Holocaust a war crime?

Nah Gaddafi wanted to ditch the petrodollar. Get outta here boiiii

>Obama's premature withdrawal from Iraq in 2011
You had already been there for 8 years. The whole thing was just a powderkeg waiting to explode as soon as you left, and everyone knows you couldn't have stayed there indefinetly.
>allows ISIS to rapidly expand and arm their allies throughout the Arab world
Which wouldn't have been possible if Saddam was still in power.
>Libya dissolves into a low-level civil war
Gee, I sure do wonder whose subversive activites and airstrikes created that situation.

Kek

Fuck off CIA nigger

Not True. Russia and Syria have a defense pact.
The USA knew russia would be there, so we had to attempt a creative backstab. Did not work or shit would be 6 gorrilion times worse

Shilling for Putin: the post

>You had already been there for 8 years. The whole thing was just a powderkeg waiting to explode as soon as you left, and everyone knows you couldn't have stayed there indefinetly.
Whether or not we should have been there in the first place is a conversation for another thread, and that question is a lot less black-and-white than most of Sup Forums and the general public likes to think. Irregardless, withdrawing from Iraq in 2011 when the country wasn't anywhere near prepared to handle complete independence was a mistake.
>Gee, I sure do wonder whose subversive activites and airstrikes created that situation
Blame the Libyan MPs for not being able to compromise. The Gaddafi loyalists aren't one of the two major factions of the new civil war, they're mostly confined to the desert.

yes. and saddam hussein pulled 6,000,000 babies out of incubators and set them on the floor. and adolf hitler gassed 217,000,000,000 of G*ds harmless chosen people

>withdrawing from Iraq in 2011 when the country wasn't anywhere near prepared to handle complete independence was a mistake
Middle Eastern countries are not fit for democracy, it is not in their history, culture or tradition and mentality. It is a completely foreign concept to them, which is why they keep failing at it whenever it is forcibly imposed upon them. You would've had to stay in Iraq for decades combined with a complete forced cultural transformation of the Arab mentality in order to finally pull back successfully.
>Blame the Libyan MPs for not being able to compromise
No, I blame NATO. Because without instigating and actively participating in Libyan Civil War 1, there wouldn't even have been a Libyan Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo in the first place. Also, see point made above regarding the MP's "not being able to compromise".

> You had already been there for 8 years. The whole thing was just a powderkeg waiting to explode as soon as you left, and everyone knows you couldn't have stayed there indefinetly.

How long have we had troops in SK? Germany? Japan? Have you never heard of the Marshall Plan? Had we stayed in Iraq, by now we'd probably be running a trade deficit and ME would be booming. See Asia. You think that happens w/o US provided stability? .

>not on the enslavers
Top logic he has there. Can't blame the people actually responsible, they're forced to enslave others you see.

>Not on the enslavers.

Daily reminder that Israel and US literally give weapons to ISIS, Al qaeda, and Syrian rebels.

zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-28/isis-apologized-israel-attacking-idf-soldiers

globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881

israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/236280

wsj.com/articles/israel-gives-secret-aid-to-syrian-rebels-1497813430

The government that replaced Gaddafi and that eventually split apart was formed *before* NATO involvement. Sorry to crash your narrative. Maybe Arab culture isn't compatible with democracy, but a swath of Arabs sure as hell were fighting for democracy in the Arab Spring.

Gaddafi was as /ourguy/ as anyone could ever be. He was the sole man keeping Europe and Africa apart.

The slavers would be operating somewhere else, but obviously backing the rebels was a mistake. Libya had acquiesced to US demands and was off the terror list, and we fucked him over. We knew at the time that the rebels were shitty people.

This all had to do with destabilizing the region and stealing a bunch of Libya's gold in order to guarantee France's command over Africa's currency and very likely to find the destabilization of Syria. The ultimate goal was to wreck the Russian economy by making possible he construction of pipelines from the OPEC nations directly into Europe.

The reason may literally be something as simple as the fact that Hillary Clinton hates Vladimir Purin, but among the US intelligence community there is apparently some sort of a consensus that Russia is still the Big Bad, and that the US needs to do everything in its power to contain and erode at it. Maybe there's some terrible secret about Russia no one dare speak aloud.

I'm okay with the slavery though.

>NATO fuel anti-Gaddaffi sentiment
>help rebel factions start civil war
>rebels immediately form their own government
>"look at evil Gaddaffi, looks like we must help the poor rebels now ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
>proceed to bomb government troops and declare Libya a no-fly zone for the Libya Air Force
>rebels win with NATO airstrikes
>rebels start their own civil war as soon as the first one ends
At least try to get the timeline right next time.
>but a swath of Arabs sure as hell were fighting for democracy in the Arab Spring
And what did they do what said democracy once achieved? In Egypt, they elected an hardline islamist who got toppled in a military coup after only about a year. In Syria, almost all of the "democratic revolutionaries" had turned to jihadism by 2012.

You probably didn't intend this, but the graphic makes it look like he planned this. In fact he warned us that it would happen and was very clear about the fact that Libya represented a wall between Sub-Saharan Africa and Europe, a large scale employer and second home to the migrant workers who came from the south every year.

I'll add that having Qaddafi murdered - in cold blood, mind you, as a captive - is why Kim will never give up his nuclear weapons and missile program. He knows that if he does we will kill him.

>Had we stayed in Iraq, by now we'd probably be running a trade deficit and ME would be booming
Neither Korea, Germany nor Japan is a hotbed for secterian and ethnic conflicts, and all three have a good work ethic, a functioning state and low corruption. The Middle East has none of those, and that is why you can't just bring stability there by having troops stationed around the country. Don't pretend like you were there on some kind of humanitarian peacekeeping mission to make the ME prosper either.

Cucks make retarded statements revealing they have no idea what pol wants or why, then they cry when people point out how moronic they are, beggars belief

this guy knows

We had to intervene in Libya to stop the chaos of the civil war before it spread to neighboring countries. That's why we destroyed the only side that had the ability to decisively win the war and govern the country, and then left the place to stew in eternal civil war and spread chaos to surrounding regions.