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will the old geezer die before they release the dictionnary?

>[Commie]

yes

it was so obvious

Nishioka living the fucking life

RIP in pieces yourself Carl Sagan.

It's not fair.

Jesus, I hate how real this has to be.

;_;

>tfw didn't make it in time

I'm glad I dropped this show I didn't need to have to deal with this.

Best bro actually married her and had kids. I was kinda worried they got separated or something during those 13 years.

Fuck.

At least there was this to warm my heart a little.

>nishioka gets a happy end with Chiwa Saito
I'm so happy for him.

>title drop at the last second
And dropped

dropped

While we're on the topic of kids: 14 years and no kids, what up Majime? Not shooting straight?

good timing

compiling words until 1am is more important

He's probably still a virgin.

what's everyone's final verdict

i thought it was good, just a little bit too boring. the writing is strong for the most part aside from beating you over the head with the OCEAN OF WORDS metaphor. after the time skip i felt it got a little weaker. nishioka and majime's relationship carried the show, so when nishioka left, i feel like it never really got back to where it was when it started.

Now that the dictionary is done he's gonna dump 10 years worth of semen into Kaguya.

I thought it was good, though it's probable also because I found this season massively shit (in an already shit year), so I guess it made this series shine more that it's actually worth it amongst all the rest.
To me, one of its major strength is it treated a very original subject amongst the shitloads of series about isekai, harems and other high school SoL. And I liked to see how the MC actually evolved, even though the way he and his wife got married (I mean, the guy is socially impaired, can barely talk to anybody and even more to women, never talked to the girl for more than a few borborygms, then just went "I-I love you" "Oh, I love you too"... seriously?).

I don't care about Yuri on Ice; this show already had best boy.

i hope you mean nishioka

It was a little too boring. They kept going on about OCEAN OF WORDS and TOOL FOR UNDERSTANDING but never showed the importance. All the conflicts felt pointless since they never really reflected the themes of the story. The chibi dictionary segments seemed like a lot of wasted time they could have spent on more character interactions.

Nishioka is best boy, and on top of that is not gay.

Also it was not without shortcomings. As says, all the ocean of word shit was boring and pointless after the 1st time, and the whole dictionnary mascots part was unfunny and useless as fuck, and had some of the most annoying voice acting I've heard in anime.

Plus the mascots' designs were shit, and Japanese are retard for buying this shit.

An okay show up until the timeskip, after which it was rather mediocre. Also disappointed at the under-use of Maaya Sakamoto.

>Also disappointed at the under-use of Maaya Sakamoto.
yeah where the hell did kaguya go after the time skip?

that also really bothered me. she must have had like 5 lines after the skip.

>even though the way he and his wife got married
Yeah, I'm with you. I know the series portraits Majime's life and how long and tiresome making dictionaries are but goddamn the pacing is all over the place. For a few episode we are in one timeline and then BAM, 14 years have passed like fucking nothing, then back to the same pace. In the end, I'd say this was pretty meh, just watched because there was not much going for this season

Above average, but ultimately suffers from not spending enough time making me care about the characters. Nishioka was the character I felt the most empathy for and he was a side character.

Almost cried watching this episode

poor Matsumoto ji-san

>Printing

IT'S
FINALLY
FUCKING
HAPPENING

I cried. RIP jii-san.

Also Nishioka is a bro for life. I'm glad he got his good end.

Man, I'm really fucking conflicted about this show. The following will probably feel somewhat bloggy, so I apologize in advance.

On a technical level, I can acknowledge that the narrative, design, and direction of the show is excellent. It's probably a top 3 show of the year by any measure. I wouldn't be surprised if, in 5, 10, 20 years its remembered as a highlight of the year.

However, at a thematic level it's a very hard pill to swallow. Effectively, the show is making two statements about the nature of work and working relationships. The first is that there is merit in your work regardless of what you are actually accomplishing (in the show, the MC spends most of his career working to create a single dictionary). With this part I really can't agree. If someone spends their entire career working to create a dictionary (or anything similarly arbitrary) then they've lived a very sorry life and I have little sympathy for them and their lack of ambition. If anything I pity them. One could argue that all jobs are meaningless (an extension of the generalist view that everything is meaningless), but personally I feel that you could do much larger contributions to either the world or yourself through other forms of expression. If we take the metaphor even further in a larger societal context, Japan has a culture of running its workers into the ground and the show is in many ways glamorizing that lifestyle. Everyone, including the MC's wife, works late nights and early mornings and places their job above their own personal satisfaction. It's almost dystopian.

cont.

The second idea, on working relationships, is that they're arguably more important than the actual work itself. This is reflected in the departments relationships with each other and how they prioritize each other's personal aesthetic design over the actual development of the product (it should include these words because I like them, etc). This one I'm willing to accept at some level based on my own relationships at work, but it feels like a cop-out answer and equally shallow. There's no depth to daily socializing at work, it's endless mindless chitchat to fill the time. In the context of creating a dictionary, it would make sense why this is the case I suppose. It's a temporary distraction from their dull lives working on dull projects with their equally dull coworkers. The finale only highlights these relationships in the context of Jiisan's death and the gratitude he feels towards his coworkers in working towards the same goal. But there's no triumph, no trumpets. Even when they complete the dictionary, it won't top the weekly book reviews or bring them wealth or bring any of the team into the public consciousness. And they know that and even encourage each other despite that. The entire endeavor is tricking each other to walk into the abyss holding each others hand with a smile.

All in all, a very frustrating show.

Matsumoto-san... ;_;

>then they've lived a very sorry life and I have little sympathy for them and their lack of ambition.

So what are you doing with your life user?

This fucking scene.

She only does anal.

well, welcome to Japan, where workers are expected to give one "free" week of their paid holidays to their company as a sign of their devotion to it

The theme of the show is finding meaning in your work and dedicating your life for that higher purpose. It's not about ambition or contributing to society as much as you can, or else where would that leave you, watching Chinese cartoons and complaining about them on an anonymous imageboard? Would you also complain about, say, someone who makes chocolate, telling them that they're not living their life correctly for not contributing enough to society or for not dreaming of becoming an astronaut?

The cultural thing is just your own western bias. The characters don't place their jobs above their personal satisfaction. They find satisfaction in their jobs. Besides, Kaguya works late shifts because she's in the hospitality business. The other characters have no indication of working abnormally long hours aside from when they had to check for missing words, and you're missing the point if you think that was to glamorize overwork.

The show was never about prioritizing relationships over work. The characters were encouraged to include words they liked specifically for the sake of the dictionary's individuality, not to win brownie points with each other or just to have fun.

>gaijin work ethic
shameful

I'm so happy for them.

I did feel uncomfortable with the cutie assistant getting brainwashed into staying - she could be having the time of her life working on fashion articles like before, something that brought enjoyment to her and numerous readers who actually care about fashion. Instead, she's shoved onto some dumb dictionary project with a bunch of old people and an autist. Someone like Nishioka working there is already hard to swallow but a young woman like her would have quit within a week.

Overall I agree with you and knew I'd feel this way since the first episode. Best not to overthink it, just accept that they're having fun making dictionaries (somehow) and leave it at that.

>All this trouble could easily be solved had they stored all their work into a computer
I mean, I know this is anime but surely it can't be that off from real life, right? Spending weeks checking for missing works vs spending a couple of minutes with a pc was painfully to watch

They all seem satisfied with their jobs. Not everybody values money and fame over everything else.

she was ostracized by her former coworkers as a nail that stood out

she had to be hammered

But he's got to research naughty words.

pre time skip was really good
post time skip wasn't bad but lacked it
also what a waste of not using chiwa saito and maaya sakamoto more

It was really good but I'm a book and etymology nerd, so it would be hard not to find anything to like in this show.
The 'ship' and 'sea of words' motifs were obviously the main theme of the show, and the story telling was not exactly original and rather straight-forward, so what would you expect. Some of you didn't pick up the Ferris wheel metaphor (what comes around, goes around) which always loomed there and was expressed in Majime's words towards the cycle of life.
I don't understand why many anons have commented on Majime's autism. It was very clear to me how he had grown a lot as a person. From not being able to deal with a sales position, he took care of his team, probably of the entire external consulting (someone had to fill in for Nishioka after he left), as well as tough corporate meetings and discussing shit with contractors, he took jobs he didn't necessarily like (like that character manual they printed), etc, etc. In all his interactions after the time skip he sounded very responsible and a lot more confident than before the time skip, he even found it in him to motivate a few of the characters. All this confidence comes from finding his place in the world (at the company as well as a husband) and his path in life, so for all those faggots that constantly fall for the character development meme, hope you open your fucking eyes next time.
The pacing was okay. I mean, sure, I would have liked a few more Kaguya moments and Majime x Nishioka scenes, but it was there, character relations were always in the background, so it didn't feel forced at all.

>he took care of his team, probably of the entire external consulting (someone had to fill in for Nishioka after he left), as well as tough corporate meetings and discussing shit with contractors
The problem is we didn't see any of that.

(Cont'd) I disagree with this guy ()
about ambitions, which was all based on his personal outlook for life. People in certain occupations have to wait a very long time to see the results of their hard work, which is commendable because it simply requires a ridiculous amount of patience, and their achievements will usually be ignored. The staff made a dictionary, in spite of all the obstacles, in the hopes their work would reach people seeking meaning for whatever reason, some more loftier (writing, reading) than others (looking dirty words in them).
I do agree that the bits with the anthropomorphized dictionaries were dull and felt out of tone and some of the department meetings were rather silly and repetitive (very selective depth the dictionary making aspect).
Aside from this and a few QUALITY moments, it's a 9/10 in my book for how agreeable everything was. It was great to see a comfy show doing a simple story that could have well been done in a shorter time, all the while making you care about the characters.
If Rakugo hadn't been made this year, it would probably would've been my AOTY.

>tfw no bro to compliment your autism

>we
Well, for example there was that scene with Majime feeling nervous before going to a meeting and you saw the results of all those meetings (otherwise the dept. would've been shut down). On the contractor side, well, there was that paper guy who was very dedicated in satisfying this apparent autist who demanded stickier paper. You also saw Majime interacting with the newbie and with the part-time workers.
I haven't read the novel nor have seen the film to know if the source material had any more of that, but my guess is that it didn't. The whole plot spanned for 14 years, so the deliberate focus to show a few vignettes felt pretty deliberate.

And then no one bought the book since everybody uses online dictionaries these days.

It was a pretty good drama and they did give a decent amount of attention to showing the work they were doing as dictionary editors, which was interesting. I don't think they really did anything wrong in how they handled it, but they also didn't do anything that really stood out.

The first half was definitely stronger with the focus on Nishioka and Majime's relationship and how it helped them both develop as professionals and individuals. I didn't mind the timeskip and feel like it's necessary to tell the whole story of developing the dictionary, but the second half felt like they were rushing things and finishing the project lacked a sense of climax as a result, though that might be by design given the theme of constant development to keep up with a moving language. Still, the ending did manage to convey some emotional moments pretty well and I'm glad they didn't get bogged down in drama.

The OCEAN OF WORDS thing always felt like they were forcing it so that they could have some nice imagery. The show's biggest flaw is that it never turned it into more than that.

First, I wouldn't say it was most of his career. It's noted that it only took as long as it did because he was constantly forced to do revisions on other dictionaries, which he always poured his full effort into doing. And, ultimately, his career will be much longer than the 15 years or so he spent here so, unless you count all the time he'll spend revising it, he still has plenty of time to pursue other project if he wants to.

Second, most of the cast are pouring their time into this because it's a labor of love. You can see this in the differences between how Nishioka and the others act towards the job in the first half. For everyone except him it's a worthy project and they have a great deal of personal investment in the ideals behind its creation. If anything, I think the show is pointing away from the goal-oriented work environment you seem to be talking about in how it shows that the higher ups don't really care about the project and how it downplays the completion of the dictionary as a climactic moment.

I think Majime's position is enviable in that he's getting paid to do something he loves and is able to devote years of his life to developing and maintaining what amounts to a personal project.

saving this hoping it's still up when I wake up

I heavily enjoyed it and thought it was handled well, despite its medium. Surprisingly, I was not bored once. I found it more captivating than any of the other shows I was watching.

There is no acceptable digital equivalent of a quality, professionally edited dictionary available that I know of.

It's all behind 5 layers of DRM and not open to extensible functions that a third party dev could add, while the parent company is only interested in making a shitty unoptimised web equivalent that rarely gets proper updates.

A good watch, even if lacking in impact.
Nishioka truly a best bro.
9/10

It was outstanding in every way, but it lacked impact. The whole sail was smooth and even, but there wasn't really a moment that'd be breathtaking. Still a really good show with great characters, but a little too dull, just like the actual work I suppose.
Oh, and the Jisho-tans segments should've been scrapped to make way for more character interactions.

I think the dictionary mascot parts in the middle was just a way for them to save budget. They didn't even put any effort into those parts.

I thought the Jisho-tans were cute

So why can't Japan fund a dictionary. Do they adore free market that much?

I was scared for a second but I'm glad these two formed a family. Also that drawing.

Surprisingly good show. I agree with those saying that pre-timeskip was better and/or more exciting but it still was really enjoyable.

>While we're on the topic of kids: 14 years and no kids, what up Majime? Not shooting straight?
YoI taught me if the characters don't kiss they are not canon.

Maijme and Kaguya are just bait.

9/10 direction
Great animation

Really boring characters and story. I can't even remember basic things about the main character. What's the point of hyping romance so much and spend two episodes about it and then doing nothing with it?

The "put importance on words" deal with the new girl felt a bit more shallow to me than Ocean of Words despite being more brief, like how dense is she to have it explained twice.

Fuck. My father died half a year ago of that kind of cancer. Love this series though.

Not everybody gets to be an astronaut. Teaching people to find purpose in the life you describe is not a bad thing, especially in a society like Japan or ours where people dropping out of even most basic societal duties is a reality.

Most lives are actually like that. I always wondered how normal people can always be so enthusiastic about their jobs and life. I work as well but every day feels like a pain in the ass no matter where I work and what I do, it's always the same dull stuff after some time and in the end it's more or less meaningless and nobody will remember you if you die, you'll just get replaced by one of the other 80 mio. or whatever people of your country. I guess it's why people love fantasy and sci-fi so much.

Two daughters.
Based wingman creates his own harem.

>Almost cried watching this episode
I cried most of this season.

Same here. Rakugo, 91 Days and this one are my favorites of 2016. There would have been a few other series to love but they always fucked up the endings.

It's a shame how the second half ignored Nishioka and Miyoshi almost completely despite being the best thing about the whole show.

I would've preferred seeing the two couples interacting more in general, rather than wasting 90% of the time making the god damn dictionary.

Would have been great if this is 22 - 24 episodes. They cut out too much story.

Never thought it was boring, the characters were solid enough though and i was hoping for more interaction between Majime and Kaguya. I was super glad when i saw that Nishioka had kids with the cutie.

The show is about the dictionary, dedicating time to it is not a waste.

He died the morning the prints were completed.

>like how dense is she to have it explained twice
That's just how people are in general outside communication or academic professions, more so in an era where briefness is desired thanks to social media and laziness. The common folk don't care about language or word selection because they haven't been taught how to read nor how to express themselves.
As an example, this board --filled with anti intellectual poorly educated teens and young adults-- treats certain words and expressions by default as pretentious, pseudo-intellectualisms, buzzwords, artistic babble, etc., never caring to find or ask for the real meaning behind those words.
A regular fashion magazine writer will care about easy to understand informal language, not about precision. Furthermore, the target audience wants a light reading, not an article that will challenge them or forever change how they feel about fashion or their own selves.

>cancer mentioned explicitly
>characters voicing opinions critical of the Japanese government
Woah there, buddy.

Fuck...too real, lost my father myself from cancer 3 years ago...

Has anyone read the novel or watched the movie?

How much did they cut out? It really felt like they cut out a lot but at the same time it felt like there wasn't much going on in the show to begin with.

I think it focused too much on the dictionary itself rather than the characters.

That's just how it is for a few languages and countries. Even for languages that have state-funded language academies or regulators, private publishing companies still sell dictionaries, usually bought more frequently by the general public. I mean, a writer or a translator will get dictionaries approved by the academy, not just some free market bullshit for pedestrians.
The 'government will tamper with the objectivity' argument was kinda silly in practical terms, at least in the modern era, except for a few languages (China, obviously; Korean in North Korea; Arabic, maybe), because if a government wanted to control public opinions and expressions, they would fuck with the press.

The movie is on nyaa if you or anybody else want to check it out and have 2 hours to spare.

didn't even know there was a movie

ED appreciation time.
youtube.com/watch?v=VtWC5aPBGK0

I'm downloading the movie right now, I've read some good things about it before starting the anime.

I never felt the show was boring. It was a little heavy handed with the whole ocean of words stuff and dictionaries being tools for humans to connect and all that though, I agree. Also the quality of the drama after the time-skip did not seem as well put together or as interesting.
Overall I found the show very compelling. I enjoyed the characters, even the new ones, but especially the interactions between Majime and Nishioka.

8/10

Best ED of the season

is that hyouka fanart?

why?

It was a small feel good story about people making dictionaries.

It was quaint and I liked the characters.

AOTS desu