Fuck Nazism

It's holding back a future for whites more than anything else. The idea that Nazism is going to spread in mainstream America is retarded. Maybe something could have happened in George Lincoln Rockwell's day, but the programming has been too much to see Hitler as anything but the ultimate evil. There is no reason you can't fight for whites as a non-National Socialist. In fact, white nationalists should reclaim anti-Nazi propaganda and tie it in to the EU regime as well. NatSoc was shit-tier socialism from the beginning; American whites cared just as much about preserving their people and it wasn't until the late-1960s that people got brainwashed by the marxist propaganda of MLK and the civil rights movement.

Nothing has changed my mind on the topic more than this video. It describes so accurately how for the longest time white people valued race the same, if not to a greater extreme than Shitler. We're falling for the ultimate bait by following Nazism, but its never to late to change.
youtu.be/zWvawnWJZO0
bitchute.com/video/zWvawnWJZO0/

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Fuck you kike, you hate whites by bowing to that faggot.

It's fine as an online joke, the real problem is the nazi larpers.

pirate flags are commonly used by JDIF. Fuck off kike

>American

Any pro-white thought is considered Nazis by the kike media. Just focus on your own nation's history and fuck the haters

Connecting ourselves to them in anyway is moronic though. We should embrace 100% American Nationalism, unhampered by any Nazi influence.

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>NatSoc was shit-tier socialism from the beginning

That's why we have to take back Nazi hate. It will ruin their (((narrative))) if we hate them too.

You wot?

No. We aren't going to join their side so that you can feel better about being redpilled. There is zero reason for us to virtue signal and "take back Nazi hate."

America needs self reliance, not government reliance. I respect Hitler and his movement, I really do, but in all honesty things like IOTBW do a lot more for pro-white american nationalism than torchlight rallies ever will.

Minutemen, not Stormtroopers
Stars and Stripes, not Swasticas
Capitalism, not Socialism (National or otherwise)

It will do absolutely nothing. The (((alt lite))) hates Nazis but nobody believes them, to the wider public they're white supremacists or at the very least insane conspiracy theorists

I don't care who they hate, but when their vitriol is targeted at me and mine I'll show them more hate than their parents showed apathy

You're not wrong. Rebranding is a thing, after all. Doesn't mean you have to lose that extra sharp sharp edge tho!

Agreed. Fascism is a fundamentally European ideology because they see the state as an all-encompassing aspect, when the American system was one where local communities ultimately had control and private property was paramount

It would completely kill the idea that preserving whiteness is Nazi. We don't have to play alongside antifa when they do it, but taking back our identity requires abandoning what (((they))) have branded us with.

Take a look at any anti-nazi propaganda from the 1940's, its all pro-white and pro-nationalism. You have everything there so why do you want to larp as a bunch of German sissies?

You can still think that Hitler wasn't the big scary monster he's made out to be without being a Nazi. The current dialectic is that if you don't completely denounce every aspect of his person, you might as well be him

Hitler wasn't a white nationalist, he was a German nationalist. You're a 10 year old nobody who has no idea about any of this stuff and are just parroting what you see on leftypol or reddit, to which you should go back you piece of human refuse

This. Beautifully said.

I'm not saying we need to be NatSoc specifically. I'd personally like to see white Americans form their own identity instead of just copying NatSoc. But your idea goes further than that. Your idea is to virtue signal to leftists about how much we hate Nazis. That is pandering and begging for approval. Never going to happen.

Cap movies are the only good Marvel movies desu.

>Hitler wasn't a white nationalist, he was a German nationalist.
Yeah well I'm a white American nationalist, I want America to be as white as it was when Washington crossed the Delaware. Fuck Germany, they've proven themselves an enemy to America.

>nazism is simply a staunch and defensively militant nationalism for the german people of that time and era
Checks out.

>Fuck Germany, they've proven themselves an enemy to America.
Again, 10 years old

Just be honest. What site brought you here? You are obviously a newfag. At least if you're honest about it, we can have some context for your views

We need the movement to be pure like said. I want to start something that distances itself from Nazism and if that means we burn up Nazi flags and raise the stars and stripes, then so be it.

What's wrong with the precepts?

I've been on Sup Forums since the summer of 2016. I used to be really into NatSoc since I look very "Aryan" but after watching AH video (see OP) I see everything differently.

>I want America to be as white as it was when Washington crossed the Delaware
Same! So what are you thinking? Do we deport all of the niggers and spics? Or kill them? They definitely won't be too keen on just leaving if we ask them

The only way America will be white again is if it secedes into itself and creates a new state, the midwest would probably be the best place for this. From there you could consolidate and then manifest destiny outwards and take back the land from the niggers and spics (which would be rather easy judging from past conflicts with their ilk)

I agree OP

Jesus saves

so why exactly did you change your views?

Its the imagery that's most important, but it doesn't help that Germany was Socialist and immensely in debt due to "total war" polices. Their only was to relieve that debt would be to steal land from countless Europeans. They didn't do anything more pro-white than America. We had segregation, we used different stores and bathrooms than niggers, how pro-white do you want it?

>Or kill them?
Why always this? Why ALWAYS this with you idiots?
>oh no send them to their countries where they are like 95% of their own people
>you can't do that because it's like evil n stuff
Why? WHY!
>muh deportation is ethnic cleansing
REALLY?

It's like you have an unspoken rule that they should under any circumstances be allowed to turn the US into a majority non white nation eventhough there's absolutely no historical presedence for a large group of these people to ever stay in the US from inception to 1965.

I still think ryan is too soft on the nazi retards. he should stop softly denying the holocaust too. i cant believe this need to be fucking said. I assume its needed with retards here but from Ryan? pretty sad
nah the nazi flag is the most commonly used by shills and its not even close

OP you hit the nail on the head. This is the only way to bring about real change. Leave the swastikas for Germans and fags that post on here all day from their mom's basement. Need to start taking "white nationalism" literally and not sig heiling every time we get in front of a camera.

Riddle me this.
What is the difference between them entering another country illegally from their nation of origin, or going back to that place or even to another place for that matter.
>you can't deport anyone
Seems to be the argument, well why the hell not. They can move to one place where they don't even belong, they sure as fuck can move back to the place from whence they came FAR EASIER.

The video, I posted. I was blatantly unaware that the people who fought in WW2 wanted exactly the same thing I want. A white country, where we can freely express ourselves but not find our culture breeding degeneracy and moral sickness. They didn't fight for the world we live in today, but they aren't at fault either. We have clearly be subverted, today should look like a utopia, not this ugly hellhole full of illiterate Mexicans. LA used to be a white paradise, now its full of slants and spics.
t. Californian

>Their only was to relieve that debt would be to steal land from countless Europeans
See this explains why you want us to bash the Nazis. You think they were "stealing" land from Europeans to repay their debts? This is not true.

The "debt" thing is a meme, you really are a newfag

It's a rhetorical question you over-reactive spastic. Fucking grow a pair. I'm not in favor whatsoever of niggers, non-whites or kikes being here, I'm merely proposing that if OP wants the USA to be white, hows he going to do it? You can either war with them, or deport them. That's it. You make the choice.

t. JIDF

>mfw this post is considered controversial in the far right
just fuck my shit up

That's civic nationalism in the end. People will wake up. Studies are already saying 10% of America is sympathetic or literally Hitler to being Nazis. Even if their fear mongering studies are fake and gay we can use them to our advantage by pretending they're accurate, under reported if anything!

>OP you hit the nail on the head. This is the only way to bring about real change. Leave the swastikas for Germans and fags that post on here all day from their mom's basement. Need to start taking "white nationalism" literally and not sig heiling every time we get in front of a camera.

Took you the OP to figure out that you shouldn't become a real life natsoc and give the jews exactly what they want and have prepared for with 50+ years of propaganda?
Please tell me you haven't figured this out just now. Natsocs in general honors hitlers fight against the kikes and that natsoc was specifically tailored to the people of germany at that time, not being one in real life as an actual movement.

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Segregation and propaganda. We need to wake people up to how blacks commit more crime and how whites used to own this country and now we're cucked. We might also try to pass more voter ID laws and grow increasingly more conservative.

88 is the precepts, retard

"White Nationalism" is a fucking spook that the media uses to demonize any sort of united resistance against globalism, multi-culturalism, etc. If you unironically say you're a White Nationalist you're basically asking for the establishment to breathe down your neck and make everyone hate you.

the only reason why i care about your nazi retards isnt because 'you hurt the jews feelings online' its because you attach yourself with white advocacy, identitarians and the alt-right. if you fucked up back in your hole and stop asking everyone on the planet to name the jew the minute they make a step in our direction, i wouldnt care one bit what you do

Do you like whites or Hitler more? Make a fucking choice.

but you're not racist, are you?

This nation was rooted in explicit white nationalism. The founders and presidents made absolutely no mistake about it, probably up until Johnson or so.

I'm not a German worker from the 1930s. If you're German feel free to embrace National Socialism in its purest form. We don't need foreign ideologies when our earliest values are similar yet distinct in a way that works for us

The kikes have literally had 50+ years to spew anti natsoc propaganda because that's what nearly destroyed their plan once and for all. Making a literal natsoc in real life is fucking suicide. It gives the kikes the fortitude of 50+ years of programming the population that nazi's are pure evil regardless if it's false or not and how big liars the commie kikes are. It will give the kikes the reason to say "all white people are literally nazis" just what they have their fucking commies saying.

>88
>HH
>Heil Hitler
>14
>"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"
The idea of the meme is that unless we abandon our fanboying of Nazism, we won't secure and existence for our people. American whites long cared about their race, why the fuck do we need Hitler to do that?

88 precepts, not hitler

This. Although I'd like to see a modified version of that meme where there's no black Sun behind them. Franklin wouldn't have even approved, he thought Germans were "swarthy" and lesser than the Anglo-Saxon race.

>Segregation
Okay, so how you are you going to segregate them? Are you going to just tell them to leave us alone?

>We need to wake people up to how blacks commit more crime and how whites used to own this country and now we're cucked.
People don't care about shit like that. They care about their job and taking care of their business. Trying to scream facts, especially hard ones to swallow, only turns them off.

>We might also try to pass more voter ID laws and grow increasingly more conservative.
Which will not happen due to the democratic process.

Listen kiddo, the only way you can achieve the holistic white nation you want is if you embrace an authoritarian autarky based upon the ideals that the Nazis espoused before World Jewry crushed them. You can call it whatever you like, you can even bash Nazism itself and rebrand their ideals into something else; but what matters is the core principles.

mk.christogenea.org/references/25-point-program-nsdap

Read up, and incorporate this into your line of thinking.

I believe that all races are different and deserving of their own unique cultures and identities. If some races chose that cultural identity to be rootless parasites they are incomparable with self reliance and therefore incomparable with Americanism.

you really don't need hitler. however. whenever you try to do race politics leftists will say "but you are hitler". That's why it's natural for white nationalists to defend hitler and for leftists to hail Stalin and Lenin.

funny when you realize that anglo-saxons were germanic

Yeah I don't make the memes I just collect them, a blank background would be best or some kind of American theme

A National Socialist or Fascists world view will be necessary to make any real significant change. Obviously being presentable and respectable is what we should all be striving for but the alt right is too weak in their message. "Become who we are, get whites to advocate for themselves, they just need a permission structure to say it's okay to be white" blah blah blah. It's fighting from a position of weakness and doesn't inspire people to be anything other than online shit posters. If you're fine with begging the jews and muds to take pity on you and give you a white civil rights movement, then stay the course, but this will come down to a real struggle not just making memes and Twitter trolling.

Its not about the precepts, I explained exactly what the meme means. Its just trying to say that Nazism holds back our movement to defend white self-interest.

But if you don't like the meme fine! Idgaf my only point is that Nazism is a load of shit that makes white identity look evil.

>the us has never forced a minority population to move, ever.

Hitler wasn't wrong but you can't start a natsoc movement in real life and have an actual natsoc party unless you want to give the kikes exactly what they want.
How many times have you seen kikes trying to promote natsoc movements, the fucking kikes literally sit and spearhead natsoc like things. They need a boogeyman rather than you point out how the kikes are totally corrupt and evil.

The culture war is the most important thing, if we want a white culture we need whites to be hostile to non-whites and produce white offspring. If we threatened and didn't serve coalburners we would see them change. We need to be vigilant again, whites didn't take shit for centuries. Big daddy government isn't the only way.

>Hitler wasn't wrong but you can't start a natsoc movement in real life and have an actual natsoc party unless you want to give the kikes exactly what they want.
Absolutely agree.
However, you can't use White Nationalism either, see
WN = Kluklux Klan = Bad, bad bad

but I totally agree nonetheless, WN is still less tained than fucking Hitler.

This is a great point. I think white Americans need to start calling out all the Jews who are guilty whites from one side of their mouth and proud jews from the other.

Fuck you

That's why we say we're anti-Nazism, we may even have to beat the fuck out of a Aryan warrior or skinhead to prove the point. We can call them Nazis too, point out that Soros helped the Nazis in his youth. We can't do that if we're pro-Nazi because then Soros is our good guy and it seems illogical to criticize him.

Ultimately you're fighting for something real, words and meanings serve the cause and not the other way around.

Don't get me wrong the kikes are pure evil straight from hell followers of saturn (remphan) just like the muslims (which are a different variety) but you can't fucking start a natsoc party. Just focus on what the fuck the kikes do and promote being majority in your own nations, that was the whole fucking point all along and that was precisely what they wanted to wreck. Don't lose sight of their plan. The nazi regime was a militant defensive nationalistic notion against this thing that was trying to take them over, and now look at germany it's clear the kikes fucking won and kicked the shit out of germany germany is nearly fucking over, and if you want to help the germans don't start a fucking natsoc party but focus on ethnonationalism which is perfectly natural and what hitler wanted to protect all along in the first place.

Yeah, a minority population of washed up natives who were beaten so badly that the government felt bad and gave them little plots of land as compensation.

Compare that to the militant niggers and spics we have today, spics specifically whos numbers increase yearly, who have access to guns. If you think it would be as simple as the Trail of Tears you're sorely mistaken.

The West has been losing the "Culture War" for about 100 years now, ever since World War 1. The Jewish Communists raped Europe for almost 80 years since 1917 and infiltrated America through scholastic espionage.

The media is owned by them, swathes of the government is owned by them, a slight majority of the masses is owned by them (which is in the ballpark of 150 million people). I wish it was as simple as you want it to be, but it won't be. The only way things will change is with blood. Blood in, blood out. Sitting around with thumbs up our asses while Jamal and Joaquin rape our women won't do us any good, and you'd best remember that. Pick up a gun, march with your brothers, and fight for what you care for.

I think only god can save germany right now but we shouldn't stop trying though. Though he'll put the kikes in a REAL furnace to which i will LAUGH TREMENDOUSLY ABOUT since the holochaust never happened. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA the kikes don't believe in the hellfire if you look at judaism. They going into a real oven you don't have to do anything my friend

So we just kill them and become no better than the jews. Solutions here. WE're not cultural marxists. We have to actually come up wit solutions.

our current focus should be to protect the white lands and stop HUD from moving criminals and welfare recipients there. It's easy to argue for why you wouldn't want them, crime, cultural clash etc.

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Jews are the ones who play both sides. We have to pick one. Either we side with the kikes and lose our heritage within only one or two generations or we fight. The nazis fought, gave the fucking kikes one hell of a beating, but ultimately they had too much control. Things have changed now.

I'm not saying its a solution, it's just a plausible outcome of what could happen. Niggers absolutely HATE white people. I'm unfortunate enough to live near some, and while I begrudgingly get along with them I always hear about how much they hate white people. Spics are the same way. It's a dog eat dog world, kill or be killed. And I'm out to kill.

False choice, you prefer to deny truth and reality for optics. I can see why you believe that distancing yourself from natsoc may be pragmatic in courting normies, but you’re kidding yourself if you honestly believe Hitler and the natsocs were evil or tyrannical. They were very brave men that fought against the same enemy we stand against today, the least you can do is show some respect

Don’t give me that shit, even though it’s true that America was able to succeed very well for a long time as a republic, in the long run there really was no way of preventing a representative republic like America from ultimately degenerating into leftism after decadence set in. America turned into the cesspit it is today because it took the “freedom and equality” meme too literally. There is no way in hell we’ll ever be able to repeal female and shitskin suffrage to take back the white republic we once had. The best we can hope for is to build an authoritarian ethnostate that maintains white identity by force

Think about the lies of the kikes, and you see who they serve 6 million jews right (physically impossible with modern cremation ovens) but it's the 6. 6 death camps all others debunked only the 6 remaining not inspected by the allies but the kike controlled soviets. 6 is exactly 6 and 6 zeroes. saturn (remphan) is 6 from the sun, a cube their dear teffilin the black cube they have on forehead and arm whilst performing ritual has 6 surfaces. the "star of david" has 6 points and a hexagon 6 inside it (obviously) the hexagon is on saturns north pole where they derive it from. Every satanic symbol used in witchcraft is derived from saturns north and south pole (northpole is hexagon cube, south pole is the eye storm). This shows you clearly what the kikes are doing. They are going straight into the furnace. They don't need help from man to nudge them in that direction.
The practice of worshipping saturn is forbidden directly in their own texts aswell in exodus 3:20 and whilst they claim that jesus is an invention to subjugate the goyim, jesus calls for their complete annihilation except few of them that repent.

Well, the only solution I can see is to accelerate the jews plans so whites wake up faster. What else is there?

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We have to go further than we're gone before, we have to create a hard divide between the America that wants a future for whites and the one that doesn't. Pro-white business owners need to hang the flag in front of their store if they want our business, and they can't serve libshits and degenerates. People need to be hostile again, when you see a liberal be harsh to them, but comforting to moderates. This will make the libshits defensive and attack moderates and they will come to us.

So your only gripe with nazism is optics?

Alt hype is good, real good when it comes to most things, he knows biology. But he is still misguided with american views of left and right. Muh capitalism and individualism isn't conservative bud. Both are revolutionary concepts, radical changes to human nature

>The best we can hope for is to build an authoritarian ethnostate that maintains white identity by force
The only way to achieve something like that is with great bloodshed and chaos. If there's war either way why would we need to adopt National Socialism when we could simply rollback the 14th, 15th, and 19th amendments and adopt the founding values by force? You don't need Nazism for that

The war didn't have jack shit to due with America becoming mongrelized. The 1950's was one of the most pro-white decades of our time. Our GI's may not have gone far enough. We should have marched to Moscow. It was a Marxist subversion of our culture in the 1960's that fucked us up.

> It was a Marxist subversion of our culture in the 1960's that fucked us up.
Again the stupid kikes. Pic related.

Truth. We ultimately fought the wrong enemy and that's unfortunate, but at least while we were there we could have crushed the true enemy

> but you’re kidding yourself if you honestly believe Hitler and the natsocs were evil or tyrannical. They were very brave men that fought against the same enemy we stand against today, the least you can do is show some respect
Fuck them. They are poisoning our movement. They are the boogyman of our new age, and when we wave their banner we say "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M A DISGUSTING MONSTER". If you truly care about whites, forget Hitler. Maybe one day, we can tell everyone the truth.

And you are right emanuel cellar is the one who proposed the 1965 immigration act with cosponsors which changed the US to what it is today. And he was a jew. It's always the fucking jew. God has two enemies in the bible, the kikes (synagogue) and the beast (islamic empires, the new saturnalian empire of the old ones) both he exterminates in the bible. God doesn't give two shits about the kikes or muslims they are derelicts that need to be exterminated. And the kikes pretend that their god loves them, he doesn't he hates them hahaha.

No. I have a problem with large governments. Like I said a bit ago. I like Hitler, admire what he was doing, but this isn't 1930 any more how do you

>1) Convince the American public, who is generally not that smart, that Nazis were noble?
>2) That Jews are behind it?
>3) Expect minority citizens to go along with it?

A lot has to be done. Where do you start? How? Solutions, not blind criticism. We are not cultural Marxists. We need answers.

88 isn't about reviving Naziism or bringing the Nazi party to America or waving swastikas around.

It's a realization that Hitler was right.

American "Nazis" aren't NSDAP and never will be. Therefore wrapping our movement in the symbols of the NSDAP and the Third German Reich is asinine. We will build our movement on American Nationalism - Roosevelt, Washington, Jefferson, and Adams. Not on foreign leaders.

We must be more subtle than Hitler was. For now .But 88 is about more than hitler. It's a rejection of certain historical narratives that demonize Nationalists and demonize the bond that exists within - and only within - one's race. It's a realization that despite his shortcomings, Adolph Hitler was fundamentally correct about the holiness of our Aryan race and the Jewish plot to destroy it.

We were chosen by destiny to rule this Earth. Not the kikes That's what 88 is about.

based chinaman

Here’s what you haven’t considered yet, just repealing shitskin and female suffrage and returning to classical American law would be enough to start a civil war. There is no way to turn back the clock without fighting the very same war you wish to prevent. It’s all or nothing so we might as well shoot for the moon and go for the grand prize of wiping the kike cabal off the face of the earth. Natsoc was the one political ideology (((they))) ever really feared

Americans can easily turn around the 6 gorillian meme by saying "if it weren't for us, you'd be dead. All the values of our nation saved you, let's hold on to those values so we can fight back if this happens again"

Somehow i don't feel sorry for the kikes that they get "jewed" by their own god hahahahaha It's like the funniest thing ever if you let it sink in.