Today's papers - The Guardian w/ BBC comment >The Guardian puts the gross figure at 89bn euros and says the final bill could total between £53bn and £58bn (60-65bn euros). Quoting an unnamed senior EU official, the paper reports the UK appeared to be ready to honour its share of EU unpaid bills accrued over the 44 years of membership of the union.
Joseph Diaz
>The Times The BBC comments >The Times says the deal will mean the UK is paying money to the EU "for decades" - it says payment will be spread over 40 years on a diminishing scale.
Luke White
>Metro The BBC Comments >The Metro also leads with news the Britain has allegedly agreed a divorce bill of about £90bn in a bid to allow trade talks to begin with the EU. It says the UK may have agreed to honour commitments, such as pension contributions, which could likely add £40bn to the divorce bill.
Jaxon Cox
>The Financial Times The BBC comments >UK negotiators have bowed to demands from Brussels to pay a gross amount of 97.9bn euros (£86.8bn) in a bid to make a breakthrough in Brexit talks, the Financial Times reports. However, the net figure that Britain will eventually pay - over many decades - is expected to be about 45bn euros, it says.
Nathaniel Perez
>The Daily Telegraph The BBC Comments >The Daily Telegraph says that Britain and the EU have agreed on the Brexit bill, ahead of Monday's meeting between Theresa May and European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker.
Christian Nelson
>The i The BBC comments >The i says that a deal on the Brexit divorce bill is close, but it adds that the Irish border remains a key stumbling block.
“Divorced Putin laughs at the supporters of monogamous lifelong marriage. He quotes Engels and compares monogamous marriage to a tapeworm”
“Paзвeдeнный Пyтин выcмeивaeт пoклoнникoв бpaкa нa вcю жизнь. Цитиpyeт Энгeльca, кoтopый cpaвнивaeт мoнoгaмный бpaк c лeнтoчными чepвями.”
Adam Stewart
how fucking mad are the americans cause Harry won't invite that fat orange turd to his wedding?
Owen Mitchell
>The Daily Mail The BBC comments >The Daily Mail continues with its reporting on the engagement of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, with a picture exclusive of the American actress visiting Buckingham Palace as a teenager 21 years ago. Wasn't aware they were desu
LMFAO A ROYAL NIGGER AN EU DIVORCE BILL A SOCIALIST TORY PARTY FUCKING KEK
Nolan Rivera
mandatory "bitch country"
Mason Campbell
>tfw just did an interview with Northrop Grumman
feels good man
Logan Moore
>When you want to hope that we get a pretty good deal as a result of this figure but we'll probably still get shafted because of Tory incompetence
Why didn't we just go No Deal?
Isaiah Brown
So far from brexit we got:
>£3bn in admin costs (compared to £2.8bn for the NHS) in the latest budget >£50bn in divorce fees >Dropping price of the pound >Pissing of our economic neighbours who we need beg to trade with >Instability in Ireland >Instability in Scotland >No reduction in migration >Worse trade deals >GDP lower >Less tax revenues >Banking sector moving >Farming sector hampered
What was the benefit again? Bluepassports? Something Croatia already has?
>economy crashes >no need for immigrants for muh GDP
A good thing nigger
Liam Miller
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Blake Sanchez
So after all the bollocks of opportunities and whatnot, that's what you are reduced to?
Tell me what's more likely to happen:
>Crashing economy massively reducing immigration
>Crashing economy resulting in government relying more on cheap foreign labour and shitty trade deals than ever. With added asset stripping, Leaving gran pissing herself to death in a retirement home or destitute because Derek thought it was a brilliant idea to crash the economy for no reason.
All the while you could have kicked out EU immigrants if they didn't find a job within 3 months as Denmark does. Doing literally anything to reduce non-EU immigration.
Wyatt Thompson
May is worse than Callaghan
Mason Lee
>Finished high school this year (I'm 18) >Can either go to University here or go somewhere in London
Is it even worth it anymore with how things have been going over there?
Chase Flores
Morning lads
You spend too much time on Sup Forums. Yeah, avoid the outskirts of London. But it's really not that bad.
Joshua Perry
Depends on how highly regarded the Australian unis are. Other than that the cost of living in London is so high but if you can afford it go for it
Dylan Taylor
I visited last year and it looks fine. I'm kinda just afraid of being sprayed in the face with acid by a violent Pakistani.
Noah Lopez
That's really saying something user the only redeeming factor of Callaghan was he knew when to resign while it seems to be lost on May while she allows us to get bent over fucked then cucked Stay in Australia lad I'd say we're just about getting on and the UK is a generally depressing place to be in London is also pretty expensive to live in No lad those are silly rumours the worst that pakis will do to you is either rape you if you're alone and a woman or if you're a bloke nick your phone and bash your head in >t. Me >seriously though acid attacks are bad but unlikely to happen
Grayson Moore
I'd have to think about it. I have a wealthy uncle who owns a flat near Piccadilly and he said I could live there as long as I paid for everything else. Having to find new British friends might be a task though.
Matthew Reed
Lower unemployment, higher consumer confidence, you're lying about begging for trade deals, migration has reduced and will continue to, the banking sector isn't moving, farming hasn't been hampered, there isn't instability in either Scotland or Ireland more so than normal, we don't have trade deals yet so you're lying about that as well, boom in the exports market, eventually they'll be various products that are cheaper like fruit and veg, far more opportunities to make our own deals, not being tied to a political union that will drag us down with the invasion of Europe and a supranational government with its own army that doesn't respect our national sovereignty. We just need a government of moggy's instead of cucks like may
Anthony Robinson
And we'll no longer be sending them money when it's all done of course
Noah Wright
>'British' friends >London Unlikely
Dylan White
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John Young
Ok good. I couldn't think of anything worse than walking home late at night to find a gang of bottle-weaving Somalis.
Lucas Rivera
I'm ready to become a republic.
Hunter Cooper
Everyone at uni is pretty nice to each other to begin with because we are all in the same boat as not knowing anyone. Plus the fact you are different to everyone else being Aussie can only attract people desu. You'll be fine lad come to us.
Asher Gutierrez
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Bentley Baker
Wait do people like Australian accents? Mine is a mix of Australian and North American thanks to my leaf mother but I thought that foreigners found them kinda annoying.
John Long
Majority of these failures would be attributed to the piss poor leadership and corruption. Modern politicians do not have the balls to use a clean slate to make changes. Now would have been the perfect time to grow relations with Canada and the States. But instead the government chooses to demonize leaders such as Trump.
This.
Let use rise Enoch from the grave. The state of modern day politicians has become so dire.
Adrian Miller
nah Australian accents are dope, the british one either is gay high pitched or posh and twat like, americans sound retarded no matter what. And the australian one is the only one that sounds legit in a way
Gavin Stewart
Thanks for the confidence boost.
Jacob Gutierrez
>build immigrant dependent economy >vote to kick out immigrants >cry when economy tanks >get a nigger princess KEK
Cameron Bennett
>40 billion dollar divorce bill for nothing >EU army >EU navy >EU airforce
Leo Kelly
>for nothing It's to leave the EU so we don't have to contribute any more
Dylan Sanders
Dont care. Worth it. Fuck'em.
Charles Davis
Its bullshit.
Andrew Reed
> actually wanting to leave the EU
Evan Reyes
If it is actually an £89bn net payment, that's only equivalent to about 10 years' worth of net UK contributions If it's only £58bn, that's not even 7 years' worth >Something or other about delayed gratification Vs. instant reward
Adrian Brooks
Yeah aussie accents are highly liked here so don't worry about that and interestingly enough user we have more issues with people from the subcontinent (India/Pakistan) with Indian men being proper awkward and generally creeps the Indian women for the most part are crazy however you do get an odd cuteand sane one and Pakistanis are unironically violent, scum and usually retarded due to the heavy incest to a point where we actually have less issues from the actual continent (former British African colony blacks) Nigerians especially from the ones I've met are really keen on succeeding and are fairly decent people especially in comparison to Pakis which is really saying something
On bottle stabbings I only have one tale and it was a chav telling me when I noticed he had a broken open bottle "don't worry I'm not going to stab you with this" and he just strolled along weird thing that was But user didn't you see the papers? We're still paying into the EU for the next few decades if the ft and others are correct >mfw
Nathaniel Morgan
>Pay more in than we get out for decades >Still extort extra billions from us when we leave
Just one of the many problems with the EU
Brody Morales
>We're still paying into the EU for the next few decades if the ft and others are correct You mean how we'll be paying the leaving settlement over several decades instead of as one £50bn lump sum?
Colton Bennett
Hungover, lads.
Blake Rodriguez
I'm terrified user. Where I live (Sydney) we get almost no niggers at all, and a lot of the blacks I've met are hardworking and intelligent. Seeing all these new violent nationalities will be a bit of a culture shock to me.
Thanks mate.
Nicholas Diaz
>it was a chav telling me when I noticed he had a broken open bottle "don't worry I'm not going to stab you with this" and he just strolled along Nice bloke.
Brandon Lopez
>no niggers Plenty of mulattoes like arabs, greeks and lebs though
Luke Campbell
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Luke Ward
>>Brexit: UK divorce bill offer 'worth up to 55bn euros'
Pay them in nukes.
Nicholas Nelson
Not even wewuzing but the real Hellenes just happened not to do their best today
Jason Hall
True.
Matthew Garcia
We're leaving. Deal with it.
Ryan Barnes
A shame you didnt kill the eu with that based action
Jonathan Cook
As far as I'm aware the only niggers here are the Jamaicans and Somalis but I've not seen any, where I live anyway so I can't comment on how bad they really are I can only emphasize how bad pakis are and if you do decide to go to Picadilly unironically give me a call as I'm the same age and go back and forth between Stockport and Manchester almost daily if you want to go clubbing getting a little shit faced at fifth or something as jagers are like £1.50 or so >promise I'm white and in decent shape and fairly normal other than a little brain damage I had the same response user I was just taken aback in the moment as I've never had that happen before >I didn't read the small print Regardless it still bothers me even if this is the case, the point is we are no longer a part of the EU past 2019-2022 whichever it is we should not contribute a pretty penny towards it afterwards and that bothers me greatly on principle otherwise imo we have not truly left the EU even if it is purely "reparations" tier
Nolan Collins
blame France the surrender monkeys
Jose Stewart
>we are no longer a part of the EU past 2019-2022 whichever it is we should not contribute a pretty penny towards it The sum is based on Britain's pre-existing financial obligations, from projects we're benefiting from/will continue to benefit from and the like, being extracted up-front instead of in minuscule fractions as it would have been if we'd remained in. We'd have paid it either way, this is just the equivalent of ripping off the plaster instead of trying to tease it off slowly. Frankly, if it's only going to be ~£60bn, and we're paying it over about 40 years (when we'd have paid that much in under 7 anyway, assuming they didn't increase demands based on expanding need for things like the EU army or a way of tackling the migrant crisis in, in which case we'd have paid as much even faster) we're coming out of it on top, compared to if we'd stayed in.
Asher Russell
They've managed to create another fucking lend-lease.
50 years until it's paid off.
Jackson Davis
>Lower unemployment The country was already at full employment. Despite such favourable conditions, within the space of a year we've gone from the fastest growing economy in the G7, to the bottom, below also even the Eurozone as a whole, including Spain and Greece. >higher consumer confidence More credit card debt. Still below pre-referendum levels. > you're lying about begging for trade deals Am I ? You'r delusional. telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/23/britain-must-accept-immigrants-wants-free-trade-deal-warns-senior/ uk.businessinsider.com/liam-fox-admits-uk-doesnt-have-capacity-strike-trade-deals-2017-9 How do you suppose we shall fair after 40 years of not doing our own deals against seasoned negotiators around the world. Remember that each would take 5-10 years. A decade for an inferior trade deal to current ones. >migration has reduced We had the power to do this without destroying the economy. >The banking sector isn't moving uk.businessinsider.com/12-city-banks-relocating-to-dublin-after-brexit-2017-6 >Bank of England believes Brexit could cost 75,000 finance jobs bbc.co.uk/news/business-41803604 The EU has been trying to steal these jobs for years - and now they're been gifted them all. Our only remaining world topping industry pissed up the wall. >farming hasn't been hampered >UK farmers risk seeing incomes halve after Brexit ft.com/content/cd9323b8-ad0e-11e7-beba-5521c713abf4 That cheap food mentioned earlier requirs the destruction of our own industries to import African produce. Nice one. >there isn't instability in either Scotland or Ireland more so than normal Scotland will be independent within 10 years. The hard border between NI and RoI is utterly cucking the negotiations. Another example of utter thoughtlessness. No free movement will decimate NI economy, and there's absolutely no way the EU will allow it excemption, even if we throw down more moneybags. cont
Jason Sanchez
mfw that saying "you cant trust the french" still holds true
Austin Lee
>we don't have trade deals yet so you're lying about that as well >far more opportunities to make our own deals See above. We're in a laughably poor position to strike favourable deals once we're out proper. We already had better trade deals than we're ever going to get after decades trying. >boom in the exports market And these are exports to the EU, due to lower value of stirling. There are better ways to artificially lower your currency like actually investing in the country. Not to mention our manufacturing will be annihalated as admitted by lead Brexiteer academic [and former thatcher economic advisor] Professor Minford >Giving evidence to the Foreign Affairs Select Committee in 2012, he [Professor Minford] said: “It is perfectly true that if you remove protection of the sort that has been given particularly to the car industry and other manufacturing industries inside the protective wall, you will have a change in the situation facing that industry, and you are going to have to run it down. >“It will be in your interests to do it, just as in the same way we ran down the coal and steel industries. These things happen as evolution takes place in your economy.” >He went on to echo this statement in The Sun recently, writing: “Over time, if we left the EU, it seems likely that we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and hi-tech. But this shouldn’t scare us. >they'll be various products that are cheaper like fruit and veg Yes we get more wonderful African produce with no food standards. Raping our home grown industries in the process. Cont
Easton King
>We had the power to do this without destroying the economy.
No we didn't if you have an EU passport you're automatically entitled to come to the UK how do we have the power?
>the hard border between NI and RoI is utterly cucking the negotiations
There is no hard border and neither side (including Ireland) wants one. EU just trying to stir shit up.
Christopher Sanders
So many fucking Muslims calling LBC, and they all have that annoying accent.
Jack Lee
Well that's made me feel better thanks user
Jordan Diaz
Whenever i hear this paki guy that goes to my uni class i can't help but think of LBC
Jack Roberts
>actually believing this Fucking kek this place is full of retards
Logan Perez
>not being tied to a political union that will drag us down with the invasion of Europe and a supranational government with its own army that doesn't respect our national sovereignty. We had a veto and could have prevented the EU army indefinitely. The government white paper on brexit: >“The sovereignty of Parliament is a fundamental principle of the UK constitution. Whilst Parliament has remained sovereign throughout our membership of the EU, it has not always felt like that.”
The figure reaches around £90 billion if you include the £8 billion a year membership we'll still be paying during the transition period. No it isn't just a sum to cover financial obligitations. That's David Davis attempting to save face after each red line gets scrubbed away.
>No we didn't if you have an EU passport you're automatically entitled to come to the UK how do we have the power?
>Subject to the provisions of this Chapter, Member States may restrict the freedom of movement and residence of Union citizens and their family members, irrespective of nationality, on grounds of public policy, public security or public health
>There is no hard border and neither side (including Ireland) wants one. EU just trying to stir shit up.
Yet. No hard border (aka free movement) between a non-EU country and an EU country is deemed by the EU as unacceptable. Besides, from your perspective, would this not simply allow all the immigrants to legally flood in via Ireland anyway? In the mean time Ireland will cuck us with vetos.
Guess who came to the rescue after America (who will give us amazing trade deals, just watch!) fucked us over on that one? Oh, EU's Airbus. You couldn't make it up.
>Now would have been the perfect time to grow relations with Canada and the States. >But instead the government chooses to demonize leaders such as Trump.
You'll have to forgive me if I'm a bit skeptical of trump's "Very big, very exciting trade deal" given he's a professional bullshit artist. Just look at how much he's 180'd on China. Gave Xi a right bumlick recently. You lot should know by now not to trust the yanks. Plus we just chucked out the CETA Canadian trade deal, that took 7 years to do. >Inb4 a brainlet thinks we can do it quicker whilst we scramble to hire negotiators.
>We haven't had democracy on the immigration issue in my lifetime. This is what you get. Cause and effect.
That is a political failing for sure - but something that could be resolved without leaving the EU. Instead, punishing the entire country for the actions of spivs.
Dominic Stewart
Would we pay 50bn if no deal happens? Because I want no deal
Nicholas Robinson
Putting all the points you have made in this thread to one side for a moment, do you like the EU? Being ruled by the unelected commission, wasteful spending on vanity projects, superstate via the back door, refugee quotas, Juncker, Tusk etc?
Or are you just being pragmatic?
Kevin Miller
No.
Owen Wright
She realized too late and got ousted for it.
Enoch Powell also noted that she, while against joining the EEC in 1975, was fairly quiet on the issue during the campaign. It likely contributed to her eventually becoming party leader.
Ryan Collins
Thatcher campaigned for us to join the common market though.
Nolan Martin
I despise the people who run the EU but the user has a point.
The big issues of the day are not going to be addressed by Brexit, if anything non-white immigration (which the government has always had control over) might increase if/when we leave to replace Polak slave labour.
Daniel Rodriguez
Pragmatic. Do not think for a second I don't think Junker is a twat. That said, the power of the comission is grossly overstated given that we got our way most of the time
>The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999. Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix. >In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%. Or you could merely dismiss that as it being the actions of Europhile politicians. Most of the things you list (EU army, superstate) can be avoided by veto. Hell we've taken bugger all refugees compared to anyone else anyway (I'd rather it be 0).
I suppose one indirect benefit of Brexit is that our politicians will finally be accountable for being shit rather than blaming the EU - though I imagine it will continue to be used as a boogeyman for years ato come.
Chase Edwards
It was never going to be a quick-fix for anything. It just frees us up a lot in the future should we ever, unlikely as it is, get our shit together electorally.
Cooper Bailey
>cucks handing in their guns
Nathan Watson
Being a meet truly is a horrible path. I have found employment and haven’t been this happy in years. The sense of achievement is amazing.
Luis Rodriguez
Come on up lad you'll have the time of your life and not many people can say they've travelled the world studying
Dominic Morgan
> No it isn't just a sum to cover financial obligitations. That's David Davis attempting to save face after each red line gets scrubbed away. I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion
Caleb Lewis
>Momentum v Progress and the battle for Labour bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42153139 >Angell is a relic from the time when people used to say "I can't see any difference between the parties" - It's good that we only see one conservative party now!! (and even that is one too many!) >Hitchens.jpg
Aaron Campbell
>DeAmmerimutt
Please do not bring us into this. She is not one of us, she is one of them.
Wyatt Young
She is one of you
Charles Thomas
tbf, at least now Labour are a different TYPE of left-wing compared to the Tories
She is the 44%, I'm afraid
Gabriel Smith
>The UK has bowed to EU demands on the Brexit divorce bill in a move that could see the UK paying £50bn to Brussels, in an attempt to get France and Germany to agree to move negotiations to trade.
PFFFHAHAHAHAHA
So you spent 8 months fucking around, only to cave completely? And now you have, what, 6 days? To resolve citizen's rights and the Irish border? The UK has conceded pretty much every time there's been a dispute so far. Almost as if the EU is in a much stronger position in these negotiations. It's almost as if the UK would be stronger if they had 27 other countries to stand up to other countries with.
Dylan Gomez
>The UK has conceded pretty much every time there's been a dispute so far. Almost as if the EU is in a much stronger position in these negotiations Or as if the negotiators don't want to leave in the first place.
