What could the nazis have done to win the eastern front?

Was it really impossible to win this war?

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The German Armed forces began to fall Apart the second it met an Equal/Greater force that didnt instantly give up
Plus it was the worst winter in decades giving the soviet an even bigger advantage

They should have invaded Stalingrad rather than help the Italians in Greece. Fuck those pasta niggers

41 winter wasnt even that cold ffs. It was normal or mild.

Literaly whut?

>Was it really impossible to win this war?
Yes.

Stalingrad campaign was retarded and a waste of resources. Plus the Germans weren't even properly equipped for a long campaign.

Honestly, they shouldn't have invaded without dealing with the West first.

Also thanks to Stalin Red Army basicly did everything it could make initial invasion easier for Germans. Also something everyone forgets Germans even at start had numerical superiority of troops at borders when invasion started.

>Leave Britain mostly alone
>Invade Russia 3 months earlier
War won

Normal winter for a fin is literally the ice age for the untermensch kraut.

No but really if you read about issue. Winter of 41 wasnt anykind of super winter, nor was winter during Napoleonic invasion. Its just something that its always used.

But Britain wanted war, they craved for aryan blood

Generals sperged out and drove to Moscow when Hitlers original plan was to go up and behind Moscow on both sides, capturing the oil fields and driving beyond Leningrad, then encircling. Generals demanded a frontal assualt on Moscow stupidly. Many of Hitlers generals were formed freemasons working against him.

They should have used their japanese allies to blockade the russian eastern supply imports then focused on bombing runs in civilian centers and napalm runs on farms.

Hitting convoys after maintaining air superiority to choke out major population centers and kept this up for 3-4 years without a ground invasion at all.

Build a blockade across all of eastern germany/ukraine.

Just starve them out until they give up.

It's easy to do that to Russia as long as you can get some kind of agreement with china/control the black sea

No, they just needed to attack sooner. Fuck the Kriegsmarine, fuck Italy in Greece. Just attack as soon as France got kicked off and they could have won.

It's the same as with Jews: if they want it, don't let them have it

Why not just wait and actually motorize your military and dig in before the soviets attack?

Its was common winter, but you can imagine it so ok
You moron they had no other option if not nazys invade then soviets will in fact krouts attacked 2 weeks before soviets planned

>Invade Russia 3 months earlier

So what you're saying is that Italy is responsible for the extinction of the Germanic peoples?

gotten Japan to invade the east splitting the red army and having Hitler not take control would have helped to

But honestly Operation Barbarossa could not have went better for Germans than it actually did. It was series of opponent doing everything in their power to give victory for Germans. Before war and multiple months into war. Real question is how war would have gone if Stalin wasnt paranoid idiot and believe Hitler is just provoking when invasion starting and all units having orders not to respond any germans attacks.

Hitler should have listened to his generals

I don't know which historical event(s) you're referring to but this wouldn't even surprise me a little bit

Waited until spring after dealing with Greece

Done a better Job at creating a Russian Defector’s force

Idk if these would have really helped, US supplying Russia was a big factor in their survival against the Germans

They had to invade Greece for fear the British would see it as an opportunity to invade and attack the Germans from there

Mussolini forced his hand really

Should've gotten The Bomb first. No reason Heisenberg couldn't have figured that Shit out for them, he was working in it like 22hrs/day, all string out on pep-pills and everything.

There was a chance if army group center did not assist at Kiev, and instead pushed to Moscow. They would have conquered the city and their supply line would have decided the final outcome.

Germany is fault for starting war. Italians told Hitler that they are not ready for any wars for years. They told this to his face and to all German diplomats. But Germans ignored them totally.

Japanese were not intressed provoking Soviets after they got their asses kicked before actual WWII started.

This desu, should’ve quelled the French resistance
Why didn’t the Italians help out in the south? Would t it have fit with there whole “make the mad an Italian lake” schtick?

Soviets had 500 000 paratroopers and light flanking tanks
And they was actually first to counter wermacht panzers
Plus soviets planned to attack romonians oils fields and immobilase them

Nukes

Yes.

The main arugment of "if Hitler only listened to his generals" is a meme. He did. It was those same generals that were writing their post war memoires on the order of US so they could have a direct account of events from the other side.

Von Manstein's was crucial in parroting this stance. That the officiers dindu nuffin and generals were powerless before that mean ol' Austrian bully.

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It was actually Hitler that dismissed their idea of Wermacht's retreat from the suburbs of Moscow on the onset of winter of 1940. He told the troops to stay where they are. If it was how the generals wanted the same troops would have been exposed to the ultimate winter weather as they retreat all the way towards Smolensk. Open terrain and no protection. What a genious idea on their part.

of 1941/1942

If the US army and US banks didn't fund the soviets, then germany would've crushed them like a bunch of cockroaches

You have to realize that japan had a navy while the soviets basically didn't. A prolonged blockade with the japanese navy would have been successful.
Even if it was unsuccessful there is still plenty of time to bomb convoys on their way to western russia from eastern russia.

>Japan to block Easter supply imports
Wut?

We supplied USSR via North Atlantic, and Middle East

Sigh war already was decided before any real lend lease shit started to flow.

>Italians told Hitler that they are not ready for any wars for year
Every month Germany waited, the weaker they became and the stronger the Allies and Soviet became.
That's like saying you could have stopped the sink from overflowing if you just waited a few more hours to turn off the tap.

In fairness, they also told him he shouldn’t invade Poland
He shouldn’t invade France
And they were wrong on those accounts

Attack a month earlier. The winter did not fuck the krauts over as much as the Rasputitsa. BTW, the Shit wit who stated the Germans out numbered the Russians at the onset needs to go play in traffic. The only time the Germans had numerical parity during the entire war was late October of 1941, at which time the Russian roads were a absolute quagmire and ground the Germans to halt.

>Not using Poland to invade the Soviets like Napoleon
One point for the half man

>what is, the German Soviet NAP?

One of the reasons was they focused on Minks when Guderian wanted to continue going to Moscow. National socialism simply does not work.

Minsk*

Well, you can look at it this way.
If Hitler hadn't invaded Poland and France, Germany would be Nazi even to this day, and people would not think it's so bad.

You are dismissing how much problems Japanese had with Chinese. Them getting btfo by soviets even before WWII. Led them be extreamly carefull there. Risk of having war against both Soviets and Chinese in Manchuria/China would have led them losing them controll at mainland.

This is quite true.

Also its funny how everyone ignores fact that 41. Everything went right for Germans during start of Barbarossa. Even when prewar and months into war Stalins policies were doing everything in Russians hands to give victory to Germans. Germany could not win. I would for ones see more realistic what-if scenario of how war would have gone if Stalins prewar policies and start of war decicions were not retarted.

Yes, but Germany was not enforcing a proper blockade. You have to remember the US didn't enter the war until December
Barbossa took place in june.

Instead of operation barbossa marching on moscow and leningrad, you'd just starve them out by channeling greater efforts into your air and naval superiority, rather than tanks/artillery/infantry.

>mfw Poland could be part of german empire
>mfw there would be no mudlims in EU

They shouldnt break treaty with soviets and try to take Poland all for themselves.
That was the one and only reason they lost protip dont attack your allies

Their war against France was won with relatively short supply lines. When they moved into Russia the distances were too great and the space Russia had allowed them to fall back, re group, re arm and fight, more than a few times.

Germany ran out of men and bombings slowed their production.

More use of paratroopers.
After crete and the losses there they basically stopped using them in a meaningful way,in russia they would have been effective to cut retreats and pockets even better,disrupt reinforcements,capture southern oilfields etc etc.

Also work with the japs to coordinate and at least make the japs do some marching up and down the border so that soviets wouldn't dare go away.
Those are things they could have easily done with the knowledge available to them.
In hindsight?sending some of the army group north down south since the balts were more than happy to free themselves and it was an easy military parade till leningrad.

That’s a fair cop.

Could you argue that there massive military build up in the years prior somewhat forced their hand in going to war?

>What could the nazis have done to win the eastern front?
Not being Nazis would have helped.

Btw. Amerimutts did almost nothing they did not won ww2 soviets did.
As much as i hate gopniks i need to admit that

USA doesn't have any national banks. Federal Reserve is a private banking organization who's shareholders are kept secret for "national security". Meet one of the owners Rothschilds

Not really, Germany had the strongest army in the world. Britcucks were unable to do shit. America was not involved.

Germans had numerical superiority at start of war and few months into it. Even in western sources you can find this. Numerical advantage started to swift to Soviet after they moved men from Siberia and did new "mobilization".

Stalin was planning to do the same thing to Hitler, it was just a matter of who attacks who first

>Was it really impossible to win?
No, but the german army made a critical mistake, they put a sizeable chunk of their manpower and resources into capturing Moscow and Stalingrad.

They were also unprepared for winter.

The best strategy would have been to continue to push through Stalin's crumbling army and capture the oil fields in the south, then bring the southern front around in a circle destroying the railways without even touching the Stalingrad front. Had that been accomplished (and it's not hard to imagine given how btfo'd the Red Army was in the summer of 41') then it would have been game over for Stalin.

not really, nazis were fucking stupid
>ukraine hated soviets
>"those germans will help us!"
>could easily use ukrainians to rekt moscow
>"nein, slavs are sub humans"
next thing you know, slavs took Berlin with their eyes closed

I wonder who wrote this

This pic reminds me its been years since I barbarossad in HoI.

Is HoI IV worth playing by now?

it's a kiddie game. You can conquer the British Isles as Germany with 6 divisions of paratroopers.

So you only use ONE example where Hitler was right and his generals were wrong? Not a very stable foundation you're on, using one example to confirm your bias. Shows that you're in it for the emotional attachment, you don't seem to care for unbiased historical accuracy.

yes

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Slavs (aside from russians) and krauts dont know whats its like to have cold winter, here for example i need to pay huge amounts of money for heat every year only to not freeze to death literaly.

I think the problem were the italians, and not the italian soldiers but the italian generals and everyone in important charges

Poland is actually based btw

Give complete strategic command to Gudarian and Model.

How about then amerimutts would join Nazis and rekt Stalin ass huh?

Yes it was basically impossible from the get-go. Germany couldn't compete at all in industrial output or manpower.

Their only tiny tiny chance was to force a quick surrender, but anyone that has studied history knows that would never have happened. Russia wouldn't have surrended even if Germany had taken Moscow.

In ww2 germany's biggest foe was.. national socialism and hitler this alone made them lose

>could easily use ukrainians to rekt moscow
>"nein, slavs are sub humans”
Are you retarded? They did try to incorporate Slavs and Russians into their campaign against the Russians, although they did it in a very poor manner

not outrunning supply lines, preparing long war gear beforehand (winter uniforms that don't suck), treating Poles and Ukrainians like people so they don't rebel so much, not wasting resources on stupid shit like the Schwerer Gustav, get rid of Herman Göring because he can't do anything right. I think the best option for Stalingrad would have been to bomb the shit out of it (which they did) and then just leave it, don't bother trying to occupy it.

If the West didn't side with the fuckin Commie dick suckers. We would have.

From what I've read.

The impulse for Moscow was because the entire transportation network was hubbed to it.

Capture Moscow and the RKKA loses a much of it's strategic movement capability.

They could've listened to the Generals instead of literally trying to fucking read lamb entrails.

>krauts should've completed the drive to Moscow and taken it, not for any real strategic importance, but to cut the logistics head off Russia before the drive south, and once south, bypass and cutoff Stalingrad.

Simple.
Wait until summer before invading. Most men died of frostbite on their march through Russia because their Hugo Boss outfits weren't designed to withstand extreme cold.

What is a better option Poland bro?

Soviets would attack anyway, expansion of international communism was their ultimate goal.
What could realistically happen is Poland joining forces with Germany and attacking SU.

No, because FDR was either a full blown crypto communist or he was just dumb enough to put a bunch of soviet agents in high level positions in his administration

We were itching for war against the Germans
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Thats true but you know he could fuck over soviets in so many better ways make them worse than nazis. Murica hated commies so do Germans i see them as great allies

For once sweacuck is kinda right. Also how it went was kinda best it could have gone for Germany with all hindsight we have now. Only way it would have gone better. Would have been miracly where everthing goes 110% like Germans hoped in 41 and cause fast Soviet surrender. If you look into history wars usually dont go like either side had planned. Germans were given victory at silver plate and still it was too far from their reach.

I know many of you wanted this but as many didnt. Ww1 fucked you up

If Hitler did not have any agreement with Stalin and let the Soviets invade Poland while he minded his own affairs in Germany, he could instead win over the Americans by playing the hero.
If Hitler did not attack Poland but the Soviets in Poland and promote merely an Anti-Communist image, while keeping his Aryan supremacy agenda hidden, and if he had left France well alone, then I don't see why would the Americans ever oppose him.
Britain which was driven by the Jews, would oppose him. But without America's support and without an actual provocation from Hitler, nothing would come of it.
Hitler could then present himself as a defender of Europe from Communism and nobody would have a reason to cry foul.

It was half-assed attempt that did not get tracktion before 43 when they were already losing hard. Hitler was extreamly against any Russian volunteer army. Until losing war made him reluctraty agree on it.

This. Losing their oil supply would have crippled both Soviet war machine and production capabilities. Instead of that, Nazis tried to get 3 objectives and failed to get any

(((They))) were, but the American populace itself was split. Good chance of siding with germany if roosevelt wasn't in office.

>Wait until summer before invading

1.Finnish off UK before invasion of USSR
2.Invade midle east for oil so you dont need to go to stalingrad
3.Dont declare war on USA
4.Better winter clothing for soldiers
5.Unite all wamies and go for moscow like generals of Hitler where sugesting
6.DONT genocide slavs on east so they wouldnt take lost war as seriusly since they thought they where fighting for their life and fought as hard as they could
War won
That being said its kinda a good thing krauts lost ww2, yes us balts where not genocided by germans unlike slavs but at the end of the day after they would of finnished off slavs they would start to kill french anglos finns and us balts and make german ethno state.

We didn’t want wwi either, Wilson won on a campaign of “keeping our boys out of war” ffs. If put to a nation wide vote, 9/10 Americans would have opposed entering WWI
The state wanted war, the people didn’t. But they felt a sense of duty to serve their nation anyway

This guy just wrote what i was thinking this all time that would be so fucking great

Also from the beginning a unified Axis command should have been established.

Italian troops in Africa and Balkans
(And the Italian Navy) should have been put under direct control of the OKW, this and maybe a small German Afrikacorps and German field officer staff done from the very beginning means North Africa and the Mediteran theatre and the Balkans would have been won very quickly, Malta and Gibraltar also would be taken- essentially vastly cripling Great Britain and saving German material and men from having to bail out Italy later.

From this point on Britain could have been dealt with/invaded or the USSR invaded sooner and with more reasources, depending on strategic reasoning.

if they had not invaded, germany would have been steamrolled by stalins 5 year plan. with a pre-emptive strike they crippled the soviet forces which is the only reason they actually got as far as they did.

the secret is britain. if they had succesfully won the battle of britain the US would have had no platform for conducting its invasion and they could have focused on the soviets in peace and potentially won.

Yes, exactly
Valid points

Not intend to permanently occupy the nations they crossed over. That would be a start, and would certainly make them be more favorable to most people too.

unlikely, FDR was a closet commie

Because they are fucking dumb.

>Taking part in not your wars since ww1

The Achilles heel of German war machine in both world wars was the severe lack of raw resources and the shortage of available manpower. By the time of Operation Barbarossa Germany already had lost a good portion of its experienced personnel. Poland, France, Yugoslavia, Greece and Scandinavia surely but staidly drained the German war machine out of manpower and equipment. The Allies could always rely on colonies for supplies, cheep labor and soldiers. Germans couldn't do that. The invasion of the Soviet Union was the beginning of the end for the NatSoc regime.

Ally with Poland at any price. Then UK/France have no reason to declare war. German and Polish army could together capture Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Murrimutts were already Jewed and in contact with Churchill and the other fags to discuss the spoils of the war.
Hitler had already lost before the Burgers came in. The soviets were on their doorstep and the RAF had already bombed Germany's cities and factories to shit.
Burgers just moved in newar the end as a clean up squad to claim victory for themselves and get gibs. By that time the enigma code had already been cracked too so the allies knew of the German's positions.

Also fucking fact that Germans were killing Soviet PoWs with higher % rate than they did jews. While sametime doing ethnic cleansing on slavs. Not doing that would have helped.