Are we really the bad guys?

Are we really the bad guys?

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Depends which side you're on. We're the bad guys to the jews and niggers, the good guys to us. Do you even moral subjectivity m8?

would bad guys sing about a flower?
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There's moral subjectivity, but there also HAS to be moral objectivity. I'm just wondering where the redpilled stand on the objective side of morality.

That's the thing, user. Everyone claims to be the goodguys. Even bugchasers think they are in the right in some sickfuck way. It's not a question you should bother yourself with when you could be getting shit done instead.

Where will we be when every country on earth is a Muslim shithole demonizing science. There will never be space exploration and the population will grow to the he point of where air is not breathable due to climate change. We are on the right side, nationalism in history has proven that we are a competitive species and that peace and comprising for all is the death of us. It's only our job to spread the reality.

No we are not. We fight for everything good and pure in the world. There is no such thing as moral subjectivity. It either is, or it isn't; in all things.

There are no good guys or bad guys there is only good results or bad results and what we have right now is due to bad results

I don't care what you call me.

How is wanting a positive future for your people remotely bad?

Nah you're either a winner or a loser.

Whites are the chosen people. White supremacy (in their own country ofcourse, it's not fucking weird you nigger get with it) is just a form of white zionism. As long as our race exists the Jewish claim of being God's chose people holds little water, and other races must be content to be second class. If they remove us as a race, who is left to oppose (((them))).

you're right.

Yes. We got a lot people that don't understand the JQ.

It's very bad.

>fags want your children
>Muslims want your land
>Corporate Feminism want your women
>And Commies want your money
>But somehow WE'RE THE BAD GUYS
No user. No we are not.

We are good men preparing to do bad things to prevent a worse future

I guess it stems from being constantly told that being proud of your race is bad. But why is it bad or good? You can't really influence your decision to be black or white.

Yes.

Do you believe anyone but white people is being told this?

>commie flag
wew
you can take that flag off and show your real nationality. i bet you're american too, traitor.

Nope. We tell the truth, bluntly, and the enemy lies constantly. Liars are never the 'good guys.'

But why is it only white people? There's no possible way we're being suppressed enough to where our voices can't be heard. We're a minority.

How do you explain doing immoral things for moral reasons?
It's not black and white, murdering someone innocent is bad, but killing a tyrant is good.

Why would I be a traitor?

Communism is an enemy of freedom

It is not.
Communism means to end the exploitation of man from man. That is true freedom. Everything else means someone is not free.

Well, friendo, I could go into a dozen reasons why, but isn't the first point to be grasped that it's happening to begin with? And if it is, there are only two options, really: it's legitimate, or it isn't. That's a question you have to answer for yourself. Do white people deserve to perish, or should we not?

What objective morality?
Objective morality is unironically subjective at the core, since it depends on what your idea of objective morality is (aka religion).
I'm a Christian, and therefore believe in this morality as objective. Bible is mostly silent on the racial matters, though it does seem to support the idea that some people are superior to others, at least in this life. So I do not view someone being a fascist or white nationalism as a sin, as long as you don't desire genocide of other races (I might be biased since I represent somewhat apartheid-like view on race - separation for mutual benefit).
So I will say that I won't view as the bad guy or the good guy. Ideas, acts, sins and virtues can be objectively good or bad. Not the persons attached to it. Lie is bad, but a liar isn't. Since no person is defined only by their sins, or only by their virtues, all men commit both. The only variable is share of each and even that doesn't make one saved or condemned (you only need one sin to be damned and because all men sin, all men are damned by default). You see, at least in Christian view, men aren't saved because they are 'good' or 'bad', but because ultimate 'good guy' in next life forgives our 'bad' acts.

God will sort it out in the end, if God condemned me to hell so be it.

We are the slightly less hypocrite, ergo the least hypocrite.

Yes, you are right, or they view themselves "while I might be bad, at least I'm not as bad as X"

Having the government holding your hand with every step is not something I'm too keen on

communism ends exploitation by man, begins exploitation by the system. If rulers could be just and good, communism could work, but the same could be said of any ideology. However communism also often tries to prevent the citizens from having a tool to revolt with if the ruler is not fair and just.

Moral subjectivity is degenerate

Not if youre doing what you believe in

(unless youre german, then you suck)

going with what you say, there will always be evil and injustice in the world and allowing the free man to revolt against justice is true freedom. communism is an enemy

Of course. Our ideological enemy is psychopathic and unrelenting; one does not win against such abominations by holding hands and trying to destroy it with love.

Nope.

There is no government in communism.

There are no rulers in communism. There is no democracy either, but it will certainly operate on an egalitarian system.

Fuck off kike. or stick around and get slotted m8

self-government on a large scale will always fail

That is a bit of an absolute statement, but I'll have to agree that it's hard to imagine it work on a large scale. We'll have to think of something.

Stop tjinking in terms of spooks, fool.

Nope, a quick look out the window would determine that.

>We'll just have to kill people until the population is small enough for communism to work :^)

It depends on one hand you have us. On the surface we sound like the bad guys. We want to exterminate our inferiors(niggers,jews and shitskins I personally think asian's are a subspecies of whites but thats my opinion). We want to put in a 'dictator'(in reality we want a strong competant leader who will lead us to a better future). That we are horrible people(well according to the comedy news network). In reality it depends who you ask

Normies are brainwashed retards who can't think for themselves and will hitch a ride on whatever bandwagon is popular at the time. This is why you have to know how a normie thinks to convert them.

SJW's think we are the ultimate evil and that anyone that is even remotely connected to us is automatically a bad guy. Also they are we to serious with everythin this is why they can't meme and why it is useless at debating with one of them.

Eventually a nazi leader will rise. It will be in europe and we should lend him all of our might in order to let him win the war that will ultimately come of him revealing his excellency.

No, but we'd deeply appreciate some voluntary action from you :^)

It's the plan to undermine us, we are the most successful, so (((not so chosen anymore people))) view us as the biggest obstacle to one world government and good grounds for their social experiments (due to our development).
So they create this culture, where whites are somehow responsible for the whole world and are to be blamed for every issue in it. This means that it's a mission of the whites to create an "open societies" to repent their supposed crimes of the past.
(((They))) obviously think that they're in the right, that by creating some sort of multiracial society where all cultures blend into one, world peace will be achieved. They are as misguided as people building tower of Babel and evidence of this is seen everywhere. More diversity doesn't cool down racial tensions. It heats them up.

maybe it IS a bit of an absolute statement but if government can fail because of moral corruptness then self government on a large scale is substantially more vulnerable to that. besides, our system of government has safeguards. for instance, the 2nd amendment.

>bad
>existing
where is the proof or evidence of "bad"?

why do (((they))) want a world government though? What's the purpose? Do they really want to be the master race? And if they want to be the master race, then why are they any worse than us? We have the same objective as well.

We may be on the "losing" side, but I ain't rightly sure were' on the wrong side.

Is getting played by Watson being the bad guy or being used?

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I want shitskins to rape my wife

No.
When are you goyim going to wise up?

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The losers are the bad guys it's history 101

No OP, we are not. We are trying to save our race along with other races by criticizing degeneracy, economic foolishness, the family from an inept government and ultimately avoid a civil and world war.

We are not the problem. The world has gone mad and Sup Forums seems to be the last place of reason.

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>Woah, I'm cool with the wage provided, count me in.
Can you believe this exploitation?

Man is never free. He is a slave to his desires, his id, and his superego. He cannot be unbiased, or absolute, he is corrupt and can never be purified.

Normalfags understand this on an rational level but when it comes to actual history, they can't really point out happenings where the ''bad guys'' would had won. Unless it's literally millenias old happening, where the victor doesn't have present power anymore.

Amen to that; the road to hell is paved with good intentions, the road to vahalla is paved with the blood of the evil, the traitor, and the degenerate.

>we

No, we do not deserve to perish; we have committed heinous acts of cruelty, but we have outshone those blights with what we have done for the world. If they cannot succeed with the tools we have invented and shared with them, the blame rests on their shoulders.

>Are we really the bad guys?
We are the people not owning the media and indoctrination facilities, that is all.

>There are no rulers in communism
Oh, then who decides, who gets what? Who decides what is produced? Who decides, when there is "exploitation" present and therefore when "social justice" needs to be done?
The answer to those question is your ruler. If it's different people for different questions you will have multiple rulers. If "majority" is the answer, then the majority is your ruler. If those questions are to be determined unanimously, then you will have no ruler at all, yes, but you won't have any decisions passed either, since it cannot be achieved constantly. If you base your system on "good-enough" consensus of, say, everyone minus one person, that one person will be ruled over.
Not that any of the arguments above really matter, because you will always end up with one guy at the front. There is nothing wrong with dictatorship, but show me example of one communist country, or country that desired to achieve communism, that hasn't devolved into a dictatorship.

pay debt, lazy commie

Its not important if we are the bad guys
What matters is that we are righteous

This

Only the good can stop evil ,and sometimes angels have to blood their hands for children to have bright safe future .

Good and bad are moral convictions. The out group does not follow your moral code, so by definition, the out group are immoral and therefore bad. The Mainstream morality is liberal progressivism so, by their moral standards, yes we are the bad guys.

There is no objective "good" and "bad" unless you are religious and believe that god defined morality already. There is only power, those who have the power make the rules.

>Might makes right, always always will.

No. We will bring about world peace though the formation of ethnostates. Every race should have its place. Every people should have a homeland.

Except Jews. Fuck Jews. Those pieces of shit got us into this mess. Gas them all.

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No. But unless there's a DRASTIC revolution all is lost. Browns are pouring into America and breeding, pushing out all conservatives from the presidency by 2024. Anyone going against the groupthink is shut down and ridiculed. Corporations like Amazon taking over smaller retailers. Military industrial complex taking over the middle east for Israel and oil. Bankers controlling the financial state of every country with a central bank.

I'm scared. Especially when more of the south goes blue. In a few decades Dems are going to be able to change the constitution. And by then, every group going against this will be fractured by the police surveillance state.

Yes!

Good thing the allies saved europe from facism! Thanks to the allies we have freedom!

If the nazis hade won, europe would have been some totalitarian shithole.

we intentionally hurt others, we're evil and cruel

The Jews want to destroy europe, current europeans have done nothing bad to the Jews. There is nothing immoral about defending yourself when you dindu nuffin

The only 'good' guys are those who are too innocent and naive of the world around them. When they get exposed to it and eventually corrupted they will join the rest of us who are somewhere in a gray zone. Then after that a smaller number of humans who are more like pure evil or close to it.

tl;dr No one remains pure and almost everyone is tainted somewhat

That's social conditioning for you

>Do they really want to be the master race?
They don't WANT to be the master race. They believe themselves to be of master race, because it is what their religion taught them. They were lead to believe to be still God's Chosen People. And even though most of the international Jewry today is atheist, that feeling of superiority, both morally and intellectually haven't left them.
That is linked to your other question:
>why do (((they))) want a world government though?
Because, they believe that under their enlightened leadership, the world will be better. That as far as they are races and different peoples, they are reasons for them to fight each other for the place at the top (that is the goal of the white race, to protect it's place at the top), so they want to merge all people (except themselves, because they feel superior and not falling for the violent urges on the goyim).
>why are they any worse than us?
Because they aren't morally wrong, as I said previously no human is morally right or wrong, but because they are just plain wrong. They came to the wrong conclusions.
Races don't mix so well. More diversity means more violence, not less. So in their quest to end all violence, they create even more violence.
>We have the same objective as well.
All peoples compete, it's the fact of nature. They aren't arguing that fact, but they came to different conclusions.
I see competition as a driving force, a force that builds not ruins. By competing for the place at the top, all races are advancing. Competition only ruins those that haven't advanced quickly enough, it's as just as it is going to get on this world.
That might be way of some Jews, but not all.
Jews that are fighting with white race for the sake of one world government, view the competition as violent, unjust. It needs to stop in their minds. Sure they will be at the top, but it's only for the competition to cease. Quite opposite of our goal.

I don't care, I just want this ride to end

the crash is already over
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We should make a documentary about this shit. Teach the normalfags our beliefs in an easy to understand and blatant manner. Here's what we should do

>Explain our motivation
>Explain why we became who we are.
>Explain what our enemy thinks
>Give ways to defeat the enemy.
>Use statistics and facts instead of feelings.
>Don't directly mention the jews but use the (((they))) or (((them))) like we always have.

We should get the most charismatic of Sup Forums users to be in it. Though we should also hide our faces to prevent getting doxxed by antifags.

Good or bad doesn't matter as long as all the muslims are dead