Almost done reading through the F/SN VN, after this should I read hollow ataraxia or should I watch F/Zero?

Almost done reading through the F/SN VN, after this should I read hollow ataraxia or should I watch F/Zero?

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Should I read or watch Zero?

Watch it.

Both. The novel has sections of plot details and characterization not found in the anime, while the anime is an actually good adaptation unlike UBW.

1. FSN
2. FZ
3. FHA

After that check out Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai and Mahoyo

>while the anime is an actually good adaptation unlike UBW.

Explain.

Carnival Phantasm and All Around Type-Moon also

The UBW adaptation cuts out almost all of Shirou's characterization and fucks up important parts of the story. It's just a mess.
The only major flaw with the Zero adaptation is that the soundtrack gets very repetitive since it plays the same thing during every major fight.

>the anime is an actually good adaptation
>shitty light-hearted filler episode made solely to pander to Rinfags
>Kariya choking Aoi turning into split-second shots of him thrusting his hips in front of her from Brazzers angles
>batcave
>Saber vs Berserker being off-screened
>Sakura's tragic interpretation of Kariya's fate getting fucked up in favor of "le mocking yandere xD"

>Should I read or watch Zero?
READ IT, I can't stress this enough.
The adaptation is only good for it's visuals and voice acting. Ufo fucked up pretty much every single character arc, completely ruined major fights and the pacing is simply atrocious.

What about UBW?

>The only major flaw with the Zero adaptation is that the soundtrack
>Ufo fucked up pretty much every single character arc, completely ruined major fights and the pacing is simply atrocious

Which is it?

>while the anime is an actually good adaptation unlike UBW.
>cutting out the climax of the last volume
Yeah no

Nasu wanted to rewrite it but the staff wanted to adapt the original instead

Same shit, read the VN.
But to be fair UBW did improve the animation and made servants battle like fucking servants for once, it also had better OST (unless you really dig the Kalafina gimmick or hate the VN's music).

This animated TV series will be the first time that the Unlimited Blade Works portion of Fate/stay night, that is, the Rin Tohsaka route, has been adapted. What were your feelings when this production was greenlit?

Nasu: I admit that I did want them to do the Saber Route, but compared to when Fate/stay night was released as a PC game, it's now reasonably well known what kind of story it is. Especially among the TV shows watched by the majority of our users? That's why it hasn't been animated for TV before, and I think it was the right decision to use the Rin Route, with its many battle scenes, as the source material.

In other words, "Fate" titles are already out in the world in many different forms already, so you didn't think it was necessary to use the Saber Route that comprises the first story of the original?

Nasu: That's right. To put it another way, the Saber Route at this point, we ought to make some significant alterations. If we want to keep the plot as-is, the Rin Route is more suitable, and it will seem fresh. It's the most solid of all Fate/stay night, with combat and buildup, and unorthodox approaches. And on top of that, if we could present the themes of the Rin Route across two seasons as a single, long story, it would definitely be worth doing. It's suitable for a weekly format where the story would build up episode by episode, but I also want the audience to occasionally see it as "a long story that deals with a single theme". Mr. Miura, the director felt the same, so we decided to give it a shot even though the bar would be set pretty high.

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>He actually fell for the ''Read the VN'' meme.

Im so sorry, user.

>Which is it?
Don't worry, you'll be able to tell the adaptation is shit from the very first episode, which is literally 40 minutes of walking in circles and spewing exposition. Or when you realize the first major event in the war takes place at the very end of the first half, which ends in a shameless cliffhanger.

>The UBW adaptation cuts out almost all of Shirou's characterization
When will this meme die?

The whole point of F/Z was building up to the final battles and finding Shirou in the flames of disaster.

Is the entirety of the LN of F/Z translated? And is it actually readable?

I ask if it's readable because of the nightmare that was NGNL. Pic related. It isn't even the worst of this shit

It is translated and readable but none of the main Fate (FSN, FZ, FHA) have great translations

>The whole point of F/Z was building up to the final battles and finding Shirou in the flames of disaster
The point of the adaptation, sure. And that's why it fails, especially considering they butchered Saber's most important and character-defining battle.
The LN is completely the opposite, the ending doesn't matter, what matters are the character arcs. Urobuchi wrote it as a textbook tragedy, which means you know from the get go that the main characters have a fixed destiny that they can't avoid, but you'll watch them stubbornly struggle to change their fate regardless (with little to no success, of course), and the story is all about that struggle.

There's a full translation and it is better than the VN's for sure.

The whole point of F/Z is to make a standalone story that also functions to put the pieces in place that lead to FSN while explaining while FSN's grail war is so fucked up.

Well, as long as it's similar to english F/SN, then I'm fine with that. I was able to read through SN perfectly fine

>Fate Zero is a prequel
No shit, Sherlock.

>Almost done reading through the F/SN VN, after this should I read hollow ataraxia or should I watch F/Zero?

There's so many different Fates coming out as they milk the franchise fans rather than trying to come up with new ideas. One popular order is:

1. F/Stay Night
2. F/Zero
3. Carnival Phantasm (official parody)
4. F/UBW

While the fan defenders say one thing, for UBW, the creator/author Nasu said that UBW was the most solid and suitable of the Fate paths. So there you have it. The author considers UBW as written to be the best version. That was what he said prior to the fan backlash. After the backlash, the "cover your ass" backpeddling began with the "oh i wanted to rewrite it but others wanted the original". It's almost like Nasu is a DINDU.

When it stops being true.

Nothing. Stop now before you realize how much of a cash cow the franchise has become.

>Yea no

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Just watch Zero and forget about the rest of this overrated videogame franchise

Why even watch Zero? it's basically an edgy teenagers wet dream meets Kalafina advertising.
Watch UBW's fights for the superior animation and OST and call it a day.

>UBW's fights
>superior

F/Z's English translation is about on the level of that NGNL screenshot in places. And yes, I've read all the NGNL translations too. The F/Z LN is pretty awkward to read, honestly, compared to other LN translations or the F/SN VN translation. I don't know if that applies to the original or not.

I'd still recommend reading the F/Z LN if you're a Fate nerd, but the anime is so ridiculously better at presenting the story I can only conclude the user pushing the LN so hard is trolling.

>human-speed servants
>more talking than fighting
>off screen Saber vs. Lancelot
>CGshit everywhere
>Muh jets
>Muh magical motorcycles
>Muh discount Lovecraftian horrors
>The whole fucking batcave scene
It's shit. Watching Zero for the fights is like watching porn for the plot.

UBW had some of the most boring fights i have ever seen in an anime. At least F/Z fights were interesting and fun to look at.

F/Z fights were slow paced and talky as fuck, it doesn't get much boring than that. But opinions aside, UBW's fights had better animation and were more respectful of Nasu's lore.

>UBW had some of the most boring fights i have ever seen in an anime. At least F/Z fights were interesting and fun to look at.
There's no way you can like F/Z's fights more than UBW's. That's just not possible.

>UBW's fights had better animation
It was just a bunch of flashy fights that all look the same. Two characters are hiting eachother in slow mo, while the camera does circles around them.

>There's no way you can like F/Z's fights more than UBW's. That's just not possible.
I hated UBW in general, the fights are not even the worst thing about it. I gave UBW a score of 2/10 while zero got a generous 6/10.
I liked that they talked while fighting, it was more interesting that way. I loved the fact that more than two servants were constantly interacting. No fight in Ubw had more than half of the servants present (And the fact that UBW servants were bland as all hell, didn't help). I also loved the variety in fights. I'll take chutulu monsters, batcaves, Motorcycles, jets, armies etc. over two bland characters having a super fast sword bashing match, any day of the week,
In summary, Zero = Entertaining and interesting while UBE = Insanely boring and dull.

>UBW servants were bland as all hell
Nigga are you serious. Did you even read the VN?

I got as far as the first Kirei scene, but that shit was boring and i didn't want to waste another 100 hours on fate, so i stopped right there. The VN didnt seem like anything special, just a over hyped relic from the early days of nerd culture.

It doesn't get much blander than the Gilles de Rais and his generic "I'm evil because it's fun/COOL" motivation, pussyfied UBW Cu Chulainn, butchered Lancelot, or a bunch of Hassan clones with zero backstory. The only good servants are the ones that carried over from Nasu's work, Gil and Saber, and Gil's past was butchered in the adaptation too.

>judging the quality of an adaptation when you haven't even read the source material
wew lad

>Two characters are hiting eachother in slow mo, while the camera does circles around them.
That does not describe UBW in my experience

They were still better than the UBW ones. Even the ones that carried over from Nasus work were much better (Gil wasn't a one dimensional psycho and saber actually had character, instead of being the cooking waifu)

>the anime is so ridiculously better at presenting the story

?

>No fight in Ubw had more than half of the servants present (And the fact that UBW servants were bland as all hell, didn't help). I also loved the variety in fights. I'll take chutulu monsters, batcaves, Motorcycles, jets, armies etc.

First off, you strike me as someone who would greatly prefer the Star Wars Prequels over the original.

More people present in a fight and more crap cluttering the scene =/= good. We wasted two episodes on the harbor for nothing to happen except strong-arming a handicap on Saber and characters making dumb decisions, and spent way too long on the Cthulhu arc which boiled down to wait for Saber's handicap to go away so she can one shot it.

Variety doesn't mean a thing if content is bad. Jets was dumb filler, The Tron bike was ridiculous, and the finale kept jumping back and forth between 3 unrelated fights.

If you really can't looks beyond the most surface level of a fight (oh, it's just 1v1 in a neutral ground), you're beyond help.

>Zerofag Secondary

Oh, that explains it.

>>judging the quality of an adaptation when you haven't even read the source material
That has got to be the stupidest thing i have heard in this hour (My friend just finished Utena, rated it 4/10 and said that it sucked big time). Source material is irrelevant. An adaptation is supposed to stand on it's own, with no help from the source material. I am not going to read visual novels/Books/LN's/Manga, before or after watching every show.

>more respectful of Nasu's lore.
>le invisible air can kill berserker xD isn't Saber great

2006 - Advertisement for the PS2 VN porn free port, mostly the first route but with some part from 2nd and 3rd, and anime-original scenes added in for whatever reasons. Avoid

2010 - Recap OVA of 2006, super rushed cashgrab adaption of Unlimited Blade Works, the second route of the VN. Avoid

2012 - Fate Zero - pretty good adaptation of the prequel LN by Urobuchi Gen of Nitro+. Its best read/watch after completing the VN, but anime-only wise you should only be watching this.

2014 - Unlimited Blade Works TV - cashgrab adaptation to shill Grand Order and the VN re-release onto Android/iOS. Looks pretty, but poorly done by a hack director.

2017(?) - Heaven's Feel movie - part of the advertising scheme for Grand Order that started with UBW TV, quality unknown. Even if its good, Heaven's Feel cannot stand on its own as a complete product without the other 2 routes.

Prisma Illya is a spinoff that's 60-70% fate fanservice and 30-40% mahou loli fanservice. You can watch it standalone, and it'll still sort of work, but knowledge of the main series is highly recommended

>Fate/Zero is going to go down in history as the only decent Fate adaption

don't forget
>I'm almost out of mana but I'll just summon UBW here haha

UFO UBW was not made as an adaption of UBW proper but as a sequel to Zero, and this is painfully obvious in both its added scenes and lines and in the quote by the director were he said that was his goal in making UBW. It has piss poor quality outside of fight scenes which themselves dive over the series, and instead of using the media difference in adaption to their advantage, they make stupid decisions like showing Hercs God Hand ability by having Saber crush him, making all other appearances of him trivial to a viewer. Compare Hercs entrance to Lancelots, and keep in mind that they are supposed to be equally threatening, if not Herc as more threatening since if Archer isn't there he almost cuts Saber in half.

>saber actually had character, instead of being the cooking waifu
Your secondariness is showing.

>First off, you strike me as someone who would greatly prefer the Star Wars Prequels over the original.
Fuck star wars, im a LOGH fan.
>More people present in a fight and more crap cluttering the scene =/= good. We wasted two episodes on the harbor for nothing to happen except strong-arming a handicap on Saber and characters making dumb decisions, and spent way too long on the Cthulhu arc which boiled down to wait for Saber's handicap to go away so she can one shot it.
And all that was more interesting than listening to people talking about shirous motivations over and over and over again or them cooking and having a picnic.
>Variety doesn't mean a thing if content is bad.
So no Variety and bad content is better?
>If you really can't looks beyond the most surface level of a fight (oh, it's just 1v1 in a neutral ground), you're beyond help.
I would prefer if they either have an interesting converstion or a fun fight. I mean, my favorite anime fight ever is the DIO vs Jotaro fight from the 90's jojo OVA. I love it because it is well made, subtle and intense.
>>Zerofag Secondary
And proud of it. I hate the fact that Zero is one of those anime that i am simply not allowed to like. I dont give a fuck about the rest of the fate franchise and if i could send a message to the past me, i would tell him not to watch any other fate related shit.

Fate route and HF wrap up everything introduced in Zero.

Oh shit its pasta hour. Lets see if any newfags reply.

UBW had the worst kind of writing. Rin arbitrarily decides to go in a date for no fucking reason, knowing they are in danger because war where there was no rush about it (if was Shirou with Saber, at least it made sense).

Can we all agree that UBW is the worst route? Fate has the best Saber and Gil. HF has the best Sakura, Rin, Ilya, Archer, Kotomine, Shinji. Despite UBW being her route, Rin gets more character development and focus in HF. And Archer comes across as a whiny bitch in UBW but as a real bro in HF.

>Your secondariness is showing.
So what? Fuck the fate franchise. Your move you anti-vagina-eater.

>im a LOGH fan
>complains about shit fights and endless reiterating of motivations
KEK

Look at HF manga. It simply adapts a route and it's done a fucking good job so far so nobody complains. It's also self contained.

>Compare Hercs entrance to Lancelots, and keep in mind that they are supposed to be equally threatening
Lancelot gets wrecked by Alexander's chariot and Gil would have killed him with a rain of little more than 30 NPs according to the VN. And Herc's first fight made it look like there was no way in hell they could kill him for good. Resurrecting after taking a point blank controlled Excaliblast and then shrugging Archer's nuke is fucking insane.

BW fags always jump to other routes to call for inconsistencies when they're called out for UBW's multitude of them. In Fate, I think Shirou tracing Caliburn is perfectly within the realm of the matters discussed in the said route. Its even expanded upon in UBW.

When Shirou traces a weapon, it is a grade lower than the real thing. When Shirou wields Caliburn, he is able to obtain it because Saber was his servant, he had dedicated his being to be with her and to love Saber, he had been dreaming on matters regarding Kiritsugu, his dad and Saber's prior master, and most importantly he had Avalon inside of him. And as you said his arm exploded. That's a fair exchange you know. I think I recall that Rin uses all of her gems on Hercules at that route too and could not kill him at all, at most injured a limb.

When I read F/SN I was questioning the power levels stuff too when I got to certain points. Nine lives Blade Works was incredibly out of the left field.
But then again, in the end Shirou becomes a vegetable in HF, and even Rin uses up her family's lineage Gem Sword, all of it, from all the alternate time lines.

In comparison there is zero consequence in UBW in comparison. The HGW in UBW is a walk in the park. UBW will forever be the worst route because of what they did to Ilya just to make the reader remember they were reading Fate/ Stay Night.

I feel bad for you OP.
See Now, what's the best route according to you?

UBW obviously.

*Its the only route where Shirou actually arrives into a healthy and mature conclusion(unlike fate and HF where he arrives at opposite extremes).
* Most badass Shirou with the best lines.
* It also contains the most realistic and dynamic relationship with Rin, which progresses naturally and does not feel as forced as with Saber nor as on-the-surface as with Sakura. Lots of priceless moments of Shirou teasing Rin and Rin teasing Shirou and relationship progression that makes you understand why they care about each other and fit each other.
* It has the focus on the best girl on the whole VN, Rin, with her natural and interesting character growth .
* It is the most "gray morality" route out of all three. There's no "good" answer and both villains and heroes are shown to be flawed people with not that clear of a roles(Caster is one of the most interesting villains in FSN) and the central conflict of the route has nothing to do with "good and evil" but simply about perception of yourself. Hell, even Gilgamesh has understandable and clearly outlines motives in UBW.
* Shinji gets a fitting end. I always found him just getting killed off cheap. Having to live with yourself with the realization at what you did and what you experienced is a fitting price for him. And Sakura gets to have her old brother, before all the nonsense started, back. So Shinji BOTH gets a fitting punishment for his behavior AND becomes a better person from it.
* Perfect ending. Fate ending was great(and HF true felt like an asspull), but UBW ending felt very fulfilling and fitting as Rin and Shirou face the unknown future together, having become better people than they started out as.

Do you unironically not understand the purpose behind Rin's date? And they do take Saber along for protection you fucking secondary.

How many bingos in this secondary-riddled thread so far?

You've been constantly talking out of your ass because you have zero idea what the story is actually about since you haven't read the source material.

Sure, you can judge it on its own, but you have no idea how good/bad the adaptation is in comparison to the original (the same goes for Fate/Zero).

>UBW
Noice. Great taste.

The amount of people who obviously haven't read the Zero LN is astonishing. When you do, you'll realize Zero has even more adaptation flaws than UBW. We're talking about major plot points being skipped, entire key scenes being removed, and 180ยบ turns in some character developments.

At this point I'm mainly looking forward to HF cause I really need to see Ufotable animate Hassan.

UBW is the best written route by far. The manchildren are the one defending Ilya summoning shenron out of nowhere, Shirou being stronger than Archer and Zouken being perfectly fine for 500 years and suddenly become retarded for absolutely no reason.

Cite it. Not here to hear some bullshit you just made up. Cite it.

HF is the worst route and includes too many events that for one reason or the other weren't even hinted at in the other two routes. It's really apparent that the result of smashing two routes together didn't really produce a diamond.

The Red Man is a bad character and for that reason the ending of UBW isn't very cathartic.

See

UBW is by far the worst route in VN. The characterization suck ass and turned FSN into a cheap self insert powerlevel fantasy.

I despise Gil, but the climax was forced bullshit and anyone who disagrees is obviousely too enamored with the idea of Shirou as a self insert to be honest about it. ARCHER SHOULD BE FUCKING DEAD. He was already weakened and fading and got trashed badly.

Rin as heroine did absolutely nothing either in the end. She was by far the weakest one with Sakura becoming far more useful in the last stages of HF and Saber remaining consistently decent in Fate route.

It's just the worst route. The only saving grace was the Archer vs Shirou battle, and Winter Forest. Anime did improve Medea as midboss. She was too laughable in the VN and the anime made her menacing with that bus hijack.

>Rule Breaker is a literal asspull
>Kuzuki and Caster are underdeveloped as fuck
>Lancer defying death for no apparent reason
>Archer defying death for no apparent reason

Remind me again why anything made by Type Moon is at all good?

No it isn't, Caster is developed in the VN your fault for not reading it, Lancer "defying death" literally happens in his myth, Archer having independent action and conserving his mana hiding makes perfect sense.

>Rule Breaker is a literal asspull
Its existence and all of its abilitites were heavily hitned at in Caster's short appearance in the Fate route, where she stabs Shirou with it.

>Kuzuki and Caster are underdeveloped as fuck
Caster is decent but yes, both were mainly developed in F/HA

>Lancer defying death for no apparent reason
It's literally in his status screen since the start of the game, and a big part of his legend.

>Archer defying death for no apparent reason
Yes. Every route seems to have at least one huge asspull.

>Every route seems to have at least one huge asspull.
Is it really huge though? It's literally just "lmao nice shot bro." If Archer was to stay dead, it would be pretty easy to write some other way for Shirou to get out of that bind. It's not nearly as bad as "lol caliburn."

>Cite it
Are you asking for a link to the LN?
Or do you want me to copypaste the skipped servant flashbacks, Saber's fight against Lancelot, all the missing Kerry screentime, the differences in the batcave scene, Waver's stoicism in the climax of his character arc that Ufo completely misinterpreted, the inner psychological effects of Sakura's training, and Kariya's for that matter, the omitted mechanics of most of the servant's Noble Phantasms, the differences in Kerry's last fight, etc?
There's just too much that was deleted or changed, we're not talking about a few paragraphs and some irrelevant scenes or interactions.

How did Shirou escape from the mud?

Why was Kotomine surprised of Shirou's projection magic?

I agree that they're less aggravating as the VN goes on. I don't really consider HF to have huge asspulls either (even the True end, which faggots always complain about), it's just that Touko's intervention when there was no previous mention of her really relies on knowledge of the larger universe. Caliburn shit is by far the biggest offender, but then again so is the constant Saber power creep to please waifufags.

>Why was Kotomine surprised of Shirou's projection magic?
Am I missing something here? Why would he not be surprised?

He projected Avalon, which can repel anything (including Grail mud). How did you not get that.

Probably more surprised at seeing Avalon than anything. Also he'd never personally witnessed Shirou's projection until then, much less with such a powerful thing. And really, he most considered him dead the moment the mud engulfed Shirou.

>shitty light-hearted filler episode made solely to pander to Rinfags
Are you referring to the date episode?
Because that was in the VN. It was terrible in there as well, but it was there.

>guy who dislikes one of the most nuanced scenes in the VN can't read
Not surprised

>not getting the point of the date
Sure it's pandering, but it actually serves a purpose in the narrative and character development.

...or you're talking about Zero.

I need sleep. Disregard.

ep. 10 of the f/z anime

>this retarded
They're talking about Fate/Zero.

>How did Shirou escape from the mud?
Humans are way less susceptible to the mud than servants in the first place, and why do you assume escaping the mud is such an impossible feat? it's essentially a curse, not some kind of magical superglue. Kerry survived for years after being in contact with the mud.

You sir, are a moron.

You know that UBW is a better adaption and dare I say superior to the VN.

You autismos will accept it when UBW is seen as a masterpiece in a year.

Do you fucking retards not realize how many posts her are just copies of shit in the archive? Have you all become so fucking gullible you can't recognize obvious copypatsta spam?

Cutting scenes is good. Do you miss the point what an adaptation is? It's not supposed to make a copy of anything. It's supposed to adjust it to fit on screen. UBW was a chore to watch with an uninspiring OST (his work in Garden of Avalon was much better than the horrible tripe he made for the show, maybe Rin wasn't so inspiring as Artoria) and lifeless camera work in general.

>dumb mobileposter
>rec thread
lurk for 2 years before posting
try saging

Welcome to Fate threads.

Seriously, are you all fucking retarded or what?

>implying I give a shit