Why is it that a long time ago you didn't need a degree to get a good job?

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The government wasn't subsidizing college so instead companies would pay to train you. Today, companies don't want to pay to train you because they know they can find somebody who borrowed a ton of money to go to school using federally guaranteed student loans.

because there were many low skilled factory jobs in particular, then in the latest 80ies and early 90ies on started moving everything to china, also eastern europe later in the 90ies.

So they moved out just about everything, doing extreme damage to their home countries just for quick shekels and shit quality products and chemicals.

My father was in on this process, I was just a little user then, but I remember he was away in china for 6 months I still have some souvernir stuff he bought for me there, some kork stuff with panda bears in this glass thing and other stuff. So he went there and opened several factories with colleagues. He lit came in fights several times there because they kept on watering out the chemicals and destroying them just to save money and rip customers off. At one point he was almost sent home.

Then today at the site he works they now have closed several of the factory buildings, loosing hundreds of jobs in the community there.

It is sad because before they got to be these greedy ass kikes the company of alfred nobel did very good to the community here. It owned shitloads of flats all over the small town. So when you started to work there, you could rent really cheap and thus be able to save money to buy your self. they have ofc sold this shit now, as most of the shit is in choina. You would come straight out of jr high or high school, and they would always pay for whatever education or certifications you needed to do the job you were supposed to do. Very typical of our version of socialism where you know they chip in to the community.

I know that many of these flats in that town this company built from the very start btw. We lived in one of them till I was 5

Also, there are a lot more regulations about degree requirements. People who have gone to school don't want competition from people who haven't, so some of them lobby for "consumer protections" that require people to have the training they did to do the job they do.

few hundreds years ago you didn't even have to be able to read to be eligible slave of your king

yeah you are onto something here too

If you go back to the 90ies, I started to work at a very young age. We competed in these demo competions here, so I was given a job offer while still at high school

All they cared about then was that you were good at what you were doing, so I started to work as a coder then. People were really good back then too, because you only had geekish people that for the most part had just learned coding them selves because they thought it was cool, so you didn't have tthese "I'm just doing my job and here for the money"-people, like you do today.

So then this became popular and people just started to get their education in the field cuz muh shekels, no interest but muh shekels.

Then came .com, and after this they started
>You need to have a bachelor to work here
So I had to finnish highschool taking those required exams I missed, then bachelor.

Started to work with far less complicated shit, boring as fuck, and full of retards that didn't even understand how a fucking computer actually work
>I just write this code, it does this, but I dunno really what the puter does

Then you need masters, so I started on then while working... BUT
>Fuck me I am so fed up of this shit
useless idiots everwhere, even womyn, and when you start a place today you end up doing the job of 20 people, while in the 90ies everyone pulled their own part. Fucking sucks dick

Because people like to sue companies and say >you didn’t hire a “qualified” person to do the job.

I don't know what your coding skills are but maybe you could find a better workplace if you get into more esoteric or cutting-edge tools. People who learn them don't do it just for the money. If that doesn't work out, maybe you could do your own startup.

Yeah, the old 'ascend the ladder, and pull it up behind you' trick

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and these days a degree is putting a lot of people in a worse position. no job in sight And several thousand in debt.

I have a mechanical engineering degree with a 3.42 GPA and I still can't get a job.

STEM is a lie

At the Bachelor's level it's TE, but only like 2 subsets of E.

Mech E, Chem E, Bio E, Elec E, Aero E are all memes.

I'm not even sure what the employable E is to be honest.

People were smarter.

People were taught in the job.

People were self taught.

You still don't. I don't have a degree, and make 46.50 per hour.

Doing what? ^

The truth is that well over 80% of all jobs don't require higher education to perform the required tasks. But over the decades, corporate culture arbitrarily raised the bar to attract "better" candidates. "Ooh, he graduated from Harvard, he'll do a great job filling out forms and making asinine powerpoint presentations every day."

Now every single company wants you to have a college degree so you can answers phones or sit at a desk and do bureaucratic bullshit all day.

It's stupid, and pointless. Nobody needs a college degree to be some middle-management cuck, or a designer, or a warehouse manager.

College should be solely reserved for people who want to enter STEM fields.

oh look it's this meme again.

Look, there are fuckloads of good jobs out there for people without college degrees. The problem is, that a lot of millennials have been led to believe that the only "good" jobs are white collar ones. They go to college in hopes of one day having an easy $80-100k a year cubicle gig, and they forget that A) Everyone else is also striving for that same life, and B) There is not enough economic wiggle room for every person in society to be a bean counter.

If you want to make good money without a college degree, go be a journeyman electrician. Frame houses. Do civil construction. Climb cell towers. Move to California and start a legal weed business. Become an EMT. Become a firefighter. Become a commercial driver. Get a $2000 cert and be a backhaul tech for a wireless carrier

Tons of good jobs out there, but you gotta actually look.

On the off-chance you were responding to me, I'm a power plant operator and Master Electrician. I'm at work right now, getting paid to post on Sup Forums.

I'm paid for what I know how to do when shit goes awry, not what I actually do day to day.

Because the Jews need to invoke their satanic transhumanism, the existing currency regime is falling apart, so they need to fund it at all costs to win ahead if they want to win their luciferian paradise.

>I'm paid for what I know how to do when shit goes awry, not what I actually do day to day.
wow, smart

I dropped out of high school to go to work roofing houses.
Now I own a roofing company.

>Why is it that a long time ago you didn't need a degree to get a good job?

because boomers weren't doing the hiring.

my bro

>STEM fields only

Please fuck off already you tremendous autist

Because a long time ago college degrees were rare and businesses didn't expect people to have one as a matter of course? You realize that for the vast majority of human history higher learning was a luxury only the elite could afford, right? That's the same reason that the humanities used to be considered the most prestigious field of study, the whole reason anyone went to college in fact. Being educated in high culture was a sign of high status, because who else but somebody that doesn't have to work for a living could devote their time to studying literature and history and the arts?

But then working class people started getting access to higher education and so the subjects they required to do their jobs became more popular in universities, and as the pool of workers with college education increased the standards for businesses changed. It used to be having a college degree made you stand out, now it's considered the bare minimum to even quality for a profession.

But that's changing now. Degrees are hurting from both fronts, from both the perspective of employer and job seeker. For the job seeker, degrees are so ubiquitous that it no longer gives you any real advantage, because the people who don't have college degrees are not even going to be applying for the job you want probably. You're only competing against other college graduates. And for the employer the degree has become severely devalued due to university standards plummeting in the last 30 years and an increasing lack of practical knowledge being taught. In my own industry, software development, so many CS degree holders lack the self-teaching ability and soft skills necessary to do this job, they are also generally ignorant of version control work flow and agile processes, which basically means that despite all their technical knowledge they are basically worthless and have to be trained from scratch.

Jews.

Well, it's not something you can do right out of high school, or anything. I started off working for Boeing as a metal worker, for about 12 bucks per hour. They say that I had potential about a year in to the job, since the opportunity arose for me to read blueprints and schematics, and made me an electrician's apprentice. Wage jumped up to 17 bucks per hour. As a Journeyman, they paid me 30 bucks per hour. As a Master, I was offered a little under 60 per hour. Problem with that is that it's hard on the body, so I applied to a Power Plant as Maintenance. But I'm naturally gifted at computers, too, and so once they trained me to do all the shit that happens during an emergency (took around a year and a half, as they want to make damned sure you have everything down pat, plus you have your Maintenance responsibilities on top of that), they stuck me on 3rd shift operator.

Never went to college a day in my life, though. There are paths to success outside of college.

The definition of good job changed
Good job now means
>Office job where I do nothing for 70k a year
It used to mean
>Job I can support myself and my family on regardless of physicality
You want a good job? Be a prison guard or some shit

You have to know the right people, have the right personality in the interview process, and other such bullshit. The meme of "dynamic efficient best-man-gets-the-job capitalism" is nonsense. I think it's why most people drop their libertarianism post-college.

Hey brother, congrats and hats off to you. Sounds like hard work payed off and I wish more people thought and acted like you.

Hopefully you're on your way to raising a large white family, too.

Best of luck to you.

I knew nobody at the power plant. I'm literally a nerd. But I could answer the test questions well (I was the second highest scoring candidate), and since I knew about computers, and nobody else at the plant did, that gave me the edge. The IT guy is useless as fuck. Spent 4 hours trying to get the error readings history uploaded to the computer from the terminal, and gave up. Took me 15 minutes, having no experience with the software.

I appreciate it, bro. Wife is infertile, but we've tossed around the idea of adoption once we buy our own place (gonna take another few years, as we want to pay cash for it).

>Wife is infertile
Rough. Adoption is a great alternative, but considering you seem like /ourguy/ you should get your sperm in the gene pool. Consider a surrogate in addition to adoption.

it is true, bachelor is already inflated now.
Like you do have real degrees, such as engineering, but the problem with this too, is that they require engineering degrees in places you do not need it at all. Like my two previous jobs. I got all this maths, physics, automation and regulation shit, ml and other ai shit.
>But I never got to use any of that as it was just simple coding jobs
>I could have done this just as easily as a high school dropout
>But everyone needs this now

So basically a bachelor degree is now the new highschool degree. And they are gunning for the masters too. Now it's all about
>Do you got a master's degree
here at least

Frankly it's also been used to hide unemployment.
>Oh no, we don't got a recession here, we promise
>(we've just sent everyone to schooling to hide it from you)

There are exceptions like if you are a consultant, but long are the days where you got certifications and educations through your company for free too

what's a backhaul tech do?

I wouldn't take any woman that would have a child that isn't part mine to begin with. I don't think it's fair to ask my wife to do something I'm unwilling to do. If we do get a kid, we're gonna get a young one that already has signs of intelligence (enjoys reading, excels at math, etc).

if you want the real answer this is literally why -
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griggs_v._Duke_Power_Co.

to sum it up, the company cant screen applicants for aptitude without opening itself up to a huge lawsuit. cause testing for skill sets be rayciss n shit mane

Trades are OK. I went to uni years ago and left a comfy but boring office job when iw as 24, and learned a trade. Took three years to apprentice, a couple more to really get established, and now I am independent, self employed, and average close to 100$ an hour of canadian monopoly money after expenses. Mind you I really only get a few 40 hour weeks in the summer, and the winter it slows off a fair bit, but i have cracked 6 figures in 3 of last 5 years. And it's really nice to bust ass for 2-3 days and pocket a few thousand.

because long time ago, there werent 7 billion people on the planet, that compete each other

Why do you fucking japs say the most uninterpretable things?

Fuck I should have learned your language back when I watched Naruto.

Good thing 4 billion are niggers, Chinks and poos.

bartender? yeah. shit's a joke. it can be a big pain in the ass, and the late hours aren't good for relationships. good pay, though.

You don't need a degree to get a "good job"

If your interested in making 6 figures than a degree MIGHT help, but if you pick up a good trade you can still get there as well.

Other than that you should just build a career on what your interested in.

If your interested in biology than you can go to school and get a degree in it and maybe make a career out of it

if your interested in fapping to anime porn all day than all you need is your parents basement or a job at Walmart to pay for a studio to fulfill that desire.

If its Money your after than your Jewish, because only Jews care about money, so go to business school with your kind and learn the ways of Usury to fuck idiots over to make yourself richer

assign flow IDs and mess around with VLANs mostly.

Abundance of jobs

Too many people in a shrinking job market. As quality of life is maintained or, god forbid, improves, there will be more and more people doing fewer and fewer jobs.

We are all caught in the stage between scarcity and post-scarcity, and its tilting toward post-scarcity.

im going to study business because im after money
maybe if i amass wealth the grey lonelyness might go away