I just cant contain my hype for this show. I'm scared it's not going live up to it now.
It's been a while since I've enjoyed a straight up romance. All since Amagami. Everything else just feels like a harem, romcom, or dumbass drama. 5 more days. Oh man.
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Why are people going ape shit over this? What about looks so god damn amazing.
>literally copying a promotional image for Amagami SS
This just makes me less interested in it. Amagami sucked ass.
By the same guy who did kimikiss and amagami. They are pure kino in romance anime.
This guy is probably upset it's not an isekai harem or something.
Sup Forums has a soft spot for Amagami and this is the spiritual successor. The project is also being written by Kisai Takayama who was primary credited for the art, but was actually heavily involved in the writing of Amagami as well.
They all look like a mix of the senpai plus one of the other girls.
At least they got rid of the fat one.
No. I'm upset because Amagami sucked. It was touted as a formula breaking romance with each girl being different. And instead, it was the epitome of formulaic. With each girl going through the same process of having a problem and then falling into the MCs arms when he listened to their sob story. It was a worse example of self insert than harem shows. And a lot of the girls had potential that was killed by being stuck in this formula.
It's not like anime with romance as their main genre can actually be good in the first place.
What could have happened if there was no problems?
Haruka+ imouto
Haruka+rich kouhai
Haruka+Ai
Haruka+class rep
Haruka
Haruka+sex hair
The conflict wasn't the problem. How it was used as a weak excuse for the girl to fall for the MC is the problem. The MC literally just stands there while the girl vents all her problems. Then the girl magically falls in love with him. Not because he said or did anything to improve her situation. But because he was just there at the right moment when she needed a shoulder to cry on.
Just looked up the writers for Amagami, no word on the ones for Seiren yet? If they're the same, it should be all right.
That looks like generic harem shit to me.
Center: genki "class idol"
Clockwise from top:
-Tits; squeaky voice; probably stalker's imouto
-Gloomy, uptight Morals Committee prez
-Swim team; ojou-sama
-Sup Forums - Video Games
-Shy, flat childhood friend "who looks like a middle schooler"
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Soon.
Kisei Takayama apparently wrote all 12 episodes of Seiren. He was heavily involved in writing the game version of Amagami.
best girl
>That pantsu glimpse
Righteous.
>Baggy eyes not one of the first three routes
What's the point?
Nothing, it's just EOPs having a shitfit like they always do.
The designs are simple and sexy which I like.
I'll be shocked if front right isn't best girl with that smug look on her face, Can't wait.
Unpleasant reminder.
Are they gay for each other?
The two at the front are so godlike it's not even funny, no competition
Red circles: first cour
The other three: second cour if ever
The ara girl at the top is the only one who stands out.
No baggy eyes
No swimming sexhair
No tits
Why even bother?
>hyping this garbage
Brown-haired Irohasu
Gamer gf
Eager-to-please childhood friend
>Irohasu
Alright, I'm in.
But user, you are objectively wrong. Seeing your posts you haven't even seen the show. Please proceed to kill yourself.
>objectively
Don't even need to read the rest of your post to know you're the one who is wrong.
Soon
Considering that the very first route in the show is about Junichi and Haruka doing retarded shit together and her falling for him with no drama inbetween (just the last scnee at the very end where her insecurity is shown, which was pretty important for her character) I don't know what else could I add to this "argument". You don't even need to admit that you are just shitposting because it is bright as day user.
I hate how baggy eyes doesn't have route (yet), she has the best voice and her design is very much down my alley.
I'm more upset ponytail sexhair isn't getting a route. Her and baggy eyes are the highest tier of girl
Amagami was the greatest male-oriented romance anime ever made.
>Considering that the very first route in the show is about Junichi and Haruka doing retarded shit together and her falling for him with no drama inbetween
The drama is all in the last episode of their arc. And just like that guy described, it was literally just the MC standing there while she vented her frustrations for 10 minutes. Then they hug and implied sex. Then the next arc comes and its the exact same thing. Girl has massive daddy issues and vents it all on the MC. The MC does nothing to make her feel better aside from just being there to listen to her problem. Repeat for each arc with the only major difference being Rihoko (which is a totally different example of shitty writing).
And each arc also has a pointless fetish scene. As if a girl showing off her belly button is suppose to be character development and not just blatant pandering to the male audience.
...
I completely disagree.
Amagami was great for the very reason why it was unambitious in that regard. It was a refreshingly modest show, which had no lofty ambitions of providing a deep study of human nature or something which it could never possibly meet. Its ambition was to entertain the viewer with a series of saccharine, idealistic romance stories. The makers saw themselves as craftsmen first rather than high artists with oh-so-important things to tell that anything else needs to submit to their ambition. And through their masterful craftsmanship they delivered something so surprisingly complete and well-rounded that it can stand on its own feet, sticking out among all those much more ambitious and pretentious shows that ultimately fall short. Amagami is a work of humility, that honestly wants to entertain the audience by giving them exactly what they want. And this love for the audience is something that comes back, leading to the show being still discussed after all this time - not only on Sup Forums but also on Japanese boards like Nijiura.
Read the fucking original message of the user, user. He claimed that the girls fall for him cause he is there to listen to their shit. Now the problem is that Haruka was already in love with MC when the drama happened.
Also, no matter how much people don't like the Sae arc, drama is non existent there. Obviously that route is full of big boob gags but still.
>blatant pandering to the male audience
That's what makes it such a good show.
It's not ashamed of what it is, but it proudly delivers exactly what the audience came to see.
I like Amagami. But there's dozens if not hundreds of shows that do ecchi better than Amagami. And some have better character stories as well.
Amagami tried to do both, but each part was lacking.
Please do not take the bait.
>there's dozens if not hundreds of shows that do ecchi better than Amagami.
>And some have better character stories as well.
The point is that Amagami does both. And it does so in an omnibus format where pretty much everyone can find a girl he likes. Other shows are hit and miss, Amagami has something to offer for everyone. And that's what makes it special.
>slut
>plain yogurt
>gaymore grill
Disgusting line up.
Dropped. Call me if this shit gets S2.
>The point is that Amagami does both.
Read the second line of my post.
>Amagami has something to offer for everyone.
No it really doesn't. Especially since it pretty much slapped Rihoko fans in the face.
I'm don't like the lack of sexhair too. I have tendency to like people who practice swimming.
Here's a suggestion. Give each girl 8-9 episodes instead of 4. Then whatever girls don't get an arc in season 1, they will appear in season 2. Also don't start with the most popular girl.
All of these things would have made Amagami better.
>Read the second line of my post.
It's wrong, because of what I told you. A show is more than the sum of each parts, and even though other shows handle individual aspects better if they happen to meet your tastes, Amagami still delivered the most complete experience you can find. Ecchi shows are usually lacking in the romance department, romance shows are usually lacking choice (even worse when they have harem elements, with certain girls designated as losers).
You won't find a show that delivers a more 'complete' experience than Amagami.
>No it really doesn't. Especially since it pretty much slapped Rihoko fans in the face.
Utter nonsense. Rihoko's route wasn't that bad and she got her 'good' ending in the second season.
>Give each girl 8-9 episodes instead of 4
>unironically wanting melodrama or filler
Morishima was not the most popular girl, Ai was. And the cover-girl was Tsukasa. Also, I'd argue that four episodes are enough. In a regular romance/harem show you don't have more screentime for each girl either, because they usually waste more time with harem banter and other kinds of drama. Amagami was completely focussed on the relationship between the main girl and the MC.
It's going to have a hard time living up to Amagami but it looks promising enough.
>It's wrong, because of what I told you.
You repeated the same thing I did. But then went on to say you thought that's what made it good. Obviously we disagree about the specifics. So neither of us can be 'wrong' about our opinion.
>A show is more than the sum of each parts
No. A show literally is the sum of all its parts. Two weak parts do not add up to one great show.
>and even though other shows handle individual aspects better if they happen to meet your tastes, Amagami still delivered the most complete experience you can find.
No, this is exactly what I'm trying to explain to you. There are shows out there that did both fanservice and character development better than Amagami did. For fucks sake, a show that came out this year with only 3 minute episodes did it better. And it also had an omnibus format. They were able to have more character and emotion in 3 minutes for each girl than Amagami could do in 90 minutes for each girl.
>Rihoko's route wasn't that bad and she got her 'good' ending in the second season.
That's pretty sad user. Having to redo the arc a second time just to make it decent.
Haruka got the most porn and advertising focus. She was treated as the defacto 'main' girl. Where was Ai considered the most popular?
We don't really need a thread or anything since no news but whatever.
>she doesn't look like this in official art
>So neither of us can be 'wrong' about our opinion.
Except for the part where mine is substantiated by an actual argument.
>No. A show literally is the sum of all its parts.
No, this is utter nonsense and only betrays a complete lack of understanding. The overall experience is not defined by meeting marks on a checklist. If you do ecchi exceptionally well - better than any show handled ecchi before - you're going to leave a completely different experience on your audience than a show that handles romance or action exceptionally well to the same degree as the aforementioned show handled action. These are orthogonal concepts.
>For fucks sake, a show that came out this year with only 3 minute episodes did it better.
No. The short time frame alone results in an experience that is simply not comparable. We're still having Amagami threads on more than weekly basis - Japan does so too. Do you see that happening for Tawawa? Amagami passed the test of time. The show itself is a monument of its quality and your individual opinion lacks the weight to challenge that.
>That's pretty sad user. Having to redo the arc a second time just to make it decent.
As I said: I've enjoyed her arc the way it was. In my opinion the whole drama about it was blown out of proportion.
I'm looking forward to watching Seiren this season. I enjoyed Amagami SS, and I would love to enjoy this one as well. Hopefully Kisai Takayama can create interesting stories as creating an original tv series is different than creating a visual novel.
>Haruka got the most porn and advertising focus.
Again: Tsukasa was the cover girl. Ai was the most popular in polls.
Keep in mind that Amagami is based on a PS2 dating sim which came out way before the show.
They didn't want her to be best girl
Will this be better or worse than Amagami?
>rihoko
>fat
>she's a fucking chopstick in the game and in the anime
Anime logic.
>The short time frame alone results in an experience that is simply not comparable.
You can flip that around and claim that simply having more time with each girl doesn't mean that time is utilized well. This is exactly what I was trying to point out when comparing Amagami to Tawawa. Its obvious you won't agree with that view, but you will have to accept that someone can have this view. And not everyone thinks Amagami is a balanced and complete experience like you have claimed.
Not even going to respond to your other points Since you're now going down the 'well my points are backed up with actual argument' route.
Pretty sure that's not Rihoko. But I agree. Its dumb that Rihoko gets labeled as fat.
No, I'm just saying it's not their first time depicting the THICC as a stickinsect. Not even in the first time for the series, yeah.
It's so common now I don't even get mad, I just cri for my HIGH TEST that never gets release.
>You can flip that around and claim that simply having more time with each girl doesn't mean that time is utilized well.
Even if I was in agreement that Tawawa handled things better (and it most certainly did not), the time frame is simply not enough for a fully satisfying experience. It's an appetiser that leaves you wanting more at best.
>And not everyone thinks Amagami is a balanced and complete experience like you have claimed.
Which might as well be your singular opinion.
I agree. We already had a Seiren thread not too long ago that reached bump limit. The threads when it airs will have more substantial meat to chew on and discuss.
We can discuss how genki is best type and how she's going to be best girl
>Even if I was in agreement that Tawawa handled things better (and it most certainly did not), the time frame is simply not enough for a fully satisfying experience. It's an appetiser that leaves you wanting more at best.
Its better to have something good that leaves you wanting more than a longer experience that is lacking.
>Which might as well be your singular opinion.
Except it wasn't. I had multiple points. But the fact that you keep saying stuff like this shows why I'm not bothering to argue any more about it. Three wise monkeys and all that.
>Its better to have something good that leaves you wanting more than a longer experience that is lacking.
Assuming that is is lacking in the first place.
I maintain the position that Amagami has passed the test of time already. While it might not appeal to you in particular, I still maintain the position that it is the most well-rounded show of its kind you will find - and its popularity proves my point.
>Except it wasn't. I had multiple points.
Which I have addressed.
Are you seriously claiming a shows length is proportionally equal to its quality? You realize there's 200 episode anime that have the depth of a 1 episode OAV, right?
What if they came out with a full length Tawawa series later? And suddenly it had the same amount or more episodes of Amagami? You'd have a lot of egg on your face.
Please do not take the bait.
>Assuming that is is lacking in the first place.
Which brings us back to the point I made three posts ago. It comes down to our individual opinions. So there's really not much more to argue about. I thought Amagami was lacking, you thought it was perfect. Might as well leave it at that.
>Which I have addressed.
Not really but again, that has to do with the point I made above in this post. No point in continuing to argue since we're not gonna change each others view.
>Are you seriously claiming a shows length is proportionally equal to its quality? You realize there's 200 episode anime that have the depth of a 1 episode OAV, right?
Are you denying that length has a quality of its own? Do you think you could have told something akin to LOGH within fewer episodes? No, you couldn't. You could have crammed the same amount of information into less episodes, but you would have left a completely different experience on the viewer.
>What if they came out with a full length Tawawa series later?
We can worry about that when it happens.
>you thought it was perfect.
I never used the word perfect. I expressed myself quite clearly in regard to why I think Amagami surpasses many shows that are somewhat alike.
>Not really
Yes, really.
>No point in continuing to argue since we're not gonna change each others view.
Nonsense. One does not just argue to change other peoples' minds but also to reasonably understand other peoples' points of view and also find out more about ones own in the process.
>Do you think you could have told something akin to LOGH within fewer episodes?
Actually there are some arcs of LoGH that even fans would say dragged on compared to the good arcs. This just shows that the longer a work goes on, the greater the chance that it will have flaws. Naruto obviously being the ultimate example of this. Its long as hell. Doesn't make it good.
You're just proving the point that length doesn't equal quality. And like that other user said, something that is too short but consistently good is better than something long with flaws.
>but also to reasonably understand other peoples' points of view
But there's no point to continue the argument when the other person just claims their opinion is 'substantiated by an actual argument.' Implying the other person doesn't have an argument from the start. This is why I'm not going to respond to you any more after this post. Bye.
>You're just proving the point that length doesn't equal quality.
And you apparently haven't read attentively.
I said
>length has a quality of its own
This does not imply that length guarantees you 'high' quality, it implies that length adds 'a' certain qualitative property. Whether that works out well depends on how you make use of time. However, the fact that you can make use of time (which you obviously can't if time is not at your disposal) allows you to do certain things which you couldn't do otherwise.
Whether you could have dropped some episodes in LOGH does not change that you couldn't tell the same story within a movie without delivering an entirely different experience.
>This is why I'm not going to respond to you any more after this post. Bye.
This is usually the response of people who got told.
Twin tails best girl
>length has a quality of its own
>This does not imply that length guarantees you 'high' quality
You're literally trying to argue that length itself makes something inherently better just by itself. But then acknowledge that length does not always equate to quality, proving your own point wrong.
I did read your point 'attentively'. And you just ran circles around yourself. The length of Amagami is not good by itself. It hinges on the content put into that time span being good. Which that other user was arguing its not. And I would agree. Amagami had a few good moments. But 10 minutes of good in a 200 minute show is a weak fucking show.
Amagami gave me cancer. Any attempt to continue it will surely cement 2017 as the worst year in recorded history
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賀 が
新 セイ
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>You're literally trying to argue that length itself makes something inherently better just by itself.
No, you're clearly not reading attentively or you don't know that the term 'quality' does not equal what one means when he attributes something to be of 'high quality'. Low quality is a kind of quality too.
What I'm saying is that length has a qualitative property. If something has a certain length it will leave a different impression on the viewer than when something is short. By no means this does imply that if you make something longer it will be better. It does however imply that if you make something longer it will be 'different' in a qualitative sense. It will leave a different impression on the viewer.
Length allows you to do things which you cannot do otherwise. LOGH could not be told in 3 minute shorts - even under the assumption that you could condense the central points it makes. It could not be told within a two hours movie even. The viewing experience would be entirely different.
Wasn't there a preview screening? Or is that a different one this season.
There was. It seems the MC is okay.
There was at comiket. Reception seemed good.
>BAWWWW THE GIRLS JUST LIKE JUNICHI BECAUSE HE LISTENS TO THEIR PROBLEMS BAWWWW
Literally the only arc that would apply to is Kaoru's, and they were already bros.
-Haruka falls in love with him because he's persistent with her, makes her blush, and knows how to play around
-Rihoko is already in love with him
-Sae doesn't even have any issues to deal with
-Ai falls in love with him just by spending time with him
-Tsukasa's issues are only tackled by Junichi AFTER they're dating
>What I'm saying is that length has a qualitative property. If something has a certain length it will leave a different impression on the viewer than when something is short. By no means this does imply that if you make something longer it will be better. It does however imply that if you make something longer it will be 'different' in a qualitative sense. It will leave a different impression on the viewer.
But this was never the point you made above. You were hinting at it, but always used it as a vague defense of your claims that Amagami was better just because it was longer. Which that specific point was and is wrong.
Now that you've finally separated the two (after being forced through argument), we can finally end this stupid argument. Since like the other user pointed out, the only thing you have left is your opinion that Amagami is good.
You do realize that even though each girl has a different motive, the trigger they all share is spending time with the MC. And aside from maybe Sae, they end up falling for the MC for pretty shallow reasons. And with little to no action on his part.
Every arc can kind of be explained as 'the MC was in the right place at the right time to get noticed by a girl'. He didn't have to work to get noticed. The story was just going to have the girl like him either way. This is a common complaint people have with other love stories, especially harems. But it amazes me how Amagami fans think their show is so vastly different and doesn't have this problem. The omnibus format didn't remove this problem. It made the problem worse.
>their show is so vastly different
Nobody is touting that unless they're genuinely retarded. Amagami is just a fun little romance show. It's not this wonderfully and expertly crafted work of genius that changes anime forever, it wasn't trying to in the first place
And god forbid a series based on a dating sim where the females fall in love with a MC be much like a dating sim where they fall in love with the MC.
>they end up falling for the MC for pretty shallow reasons
Holy fucking shit, what reasons would be good enough for you? Does he have to heroically save their life from terrorists or something? How exactly do you think people end up falling in love in real life?
People don't need storybook reasons to fall in love; they fall in love with each other based on looks and getting to know each other.
> He didn't have to work to get noticed. The story was just going to have the girl like him either way. This is a common complaint people have with other love stories
I think what your faggot ass is trying to say is "THEY LIKE HIM FOR NO REASON". You seem to be overlooking that Junichi isn't some loser. He's good looking, does alright in at least some subjects at school, is in decent shape, comes from a nice family, and has a personality. It's not really strange that girls like him.
You're one of those people who complain about "neckbeards" and their fantasies, but you're the one who's completely out of touch with reality. You have no idea what normal human interaction is, and you think that guys only get girls if they're superheroes or something.
Stop agreeing with him, faggot. Amagami is NOT like a harem where the girls like some beta loser for no reason. If you can watch Amagami and ask yourself
>What do the girls see in him?
you're the one who's out of touch.
>Nobody is touting that unless they're genuinely retarded. Amagami is just a fun little romance show. It's not this wonderfully and expertly crafted work of genius that changes anime forever
Well one guy in this thread is trying to act like it is. At least that it is a lot deeper than a fun romance show.
I'm not agreeing with him. He just seemed angry that a show that focuses on romance focused on romance, even if the romance was from a dating sim, which usually aren't the "deepest" or most realistic of romances but they're written for fun
>the trigger they all share is spending time with the MC
So a person fell in love with another after spending time with that person? No shit.
Nobody is trying to say it's deep. But it's also not just pure male fantasy, either. The Amagami MC actually feels like a real guy who you'd see out dating. He's not some otaku with a figurine collection.
And compared to other MCs from other dating sims, Junichi's a much better character.
>Holy fucking shit, what reasons would be good enough for you?
Not the reason but the development. They could have a totally shallow reason like they did for Haruka. But if they showed development to why she went from teasing him as a joke to liking him, it would be fine. Instead, you have three episodes of her leading him on and then all of the sudden in episode 4, she's so madly in love with him she wants to marry him. There was no progression to it.
>I think what your faggot ass is trying to say is "THEY LIKE HIM FOR NO REASON". You seem to be overlooking that Junichi isn't some loser.
Except a few of the girls call him generic and one does consider him a loser. This changes over time as the girls go from mocking him to loving him. But this transition is so sudden and forced that it destroys the entire self insert illusion.
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