Be honest Sup Forums would you support communism if it actually worked like the Utopia it promised:...

Be honest Sup Forums would you support communism if it actually worked like the Utopia it promised:? Or would you still rather the Zionist Jew rule the world via Capitalism?

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take your blood-and-piss colors out of here

Oranje are fags

>if

Communists are faggots, the end.

as if communism is not a jewish invention to enslave the goym

>if it actually worked like the Utopia it promised

This is the most murderous If conceived due to the fact that the utopia was only being held back by one uncooperative class that needed to be removed. Once they were the cycle would begin again and it would continue until the society collapsed.

We've tried it with an incredibly diverse set of variables and it always ends in death and misery.

Stop promoting it.

I'd rather live under Fascist utopia

Fuck out of here kike

I don't like the idea of not being entitled to the fruits of my own labour. Why should neighbour Joe get as much as me doing the same job if he's physically as well as me, but only works half as often?

>Why should neighbour Joe get as much as me doing the same job if he's physically as well as me, but only works half as often?
That's not how "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" works, you monkey.

Who gets to determine ones need?

I would be okay with the Culture, nothing else commie.

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> worked like the Utopia it promised
> Utopia
maybe for you gibberg
one path only

Stop your tricks Schlomo, Jews control both capitalism and communism... Only natsoc can save the white man.

>live
that implies you would survive ethnic cleansing

This based Iberian.

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Communism is a misdirect of The Venus Project.

>communism isn't zionist jew rule
are you even trying?

did salazar really say that?

Yes.

I used to be a communist.

The main problem with it is that it doesn't work and is bad.

If it worked and was good, I'd be all for it.

no.

it didn't work.

How then do you determine and extract one's abilities? Labour camps don't sound fun.

no, because it doesn't reward effort, and risk-taking, and supports lazyness

An ant colony works. Would you be an ant?

No, I'd rather have a system that rewards you based on the work you put in rather than how much you need.

communism was a good thing. stalin was a dumb idiot that ruined it.

It would get boring after a while.

Turns out that handing all power to the government is a bad decision heh?

>Would you eat shit if it didn't smell, taste or looked like shit?

Be honest Sup Forums would you support Star Trek if it actually had Replicators it promised:? Or would you still rather the Ferengi rule the galaxy via thre Rules of Acquisition?

>From each according to his ability
A lazy man can fake a disability or deliberately incur one.

>To each according to his needs.
As above.

Fascists don't care about ethnicity.

No, absolutely not. Toilet paper is needed by the plebs.
>I have a fancy dancy electronic bidet, which communism would never provide anyone much less conceive it.
Communism, where liberty and dreams die and the pay off to the worker is empty shelves.
>It exploits the worker more than capitalism does.

>IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
no

It doesn't work.. its never worked anywhere ever.. that's like asking if i would support a unicorn for president...

with robots that will do the work for us, it will work fine.
communism was never tried, only socialism, nothing came after the dictatorship of the proletariat.

and the word "dictatorship" changed it's puplic meaning after the 1940s

more people starve in the us than in cuba

No. It will always be a deeply sinister idea.

- Forced-sharing instead of voluntary sharing.
- Removes from the individual the ability to decide what his/her wants, needs, skills and abilities are for themselves.

The old criticism of it ("nice idea, but humans are too greedy for it") is completely incorrect.

It's a horrible idea, and humans are too-good for it.

Yeah but let's we feed all those people who are starving, can we afford to feed their kids?

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>Man dies of starvation

communism doesnt work, its fundementally flawed it doesnt take into account human natural instinct for greed, thus a system built with a crack in its foundation will never last, it is the tower of babel.

The Zionist Jew rules every government and every relevant country. Don't fool yourself

Communism is rekt by evolution. This is the truth you insane commie fucks should finaly accept. I'm fucking sick and tired of this shit still being topic. It is fucking 2018 already. Wake up.

>It is fucking 2018 already

communism is incompatible with human nature
would I support making all of humanity docile and unmotivated?
no

how does that change that it would get boring after a while?
desiring boredom over hardship is for the mentally feeble

>desiring boredom over hardship is for the mentally feeble

That's a legitimately sociopathic thing to say.

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Communist does not and will not ever work so there is no point discussing hypothetical and theoreticals with that scenario in mind.
But if in theory you could have communism as the propaganda and lies suggested without the jews and nogs and such then yes.
However, this is impossible in theory, in practice and is a jewish system, it will never work.

>not living by superior calendar
>flag
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Who are you to say he wouldn't?

I'd rather not have a centralized state, you little pansy boy statist.

>If it worked
>If it respected basic freedoms
>if it maintained a constitutional provision to reverse its rule.

>high party officials have the same standard of living as the rest of the commune.

No. The weak must be culled, and the weak are the ones rewarded most in a communist society (I.e. The Left)

loaded question commie-fag

also, utopia on earth is for fags.
it is actually regressive. humans need challenges.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_man

I just don't desire the death of humanity

>That's a legitimately sociopathic thing to say.
>implying man doesn't become stagnant if he isn't faced with challenge
Comfort creates complacency, complacency is what starts the down spiral of a civilization. You can see where it goes from there because we are living in that down spiral. What drives a man to achieve, part of it is the challenge, the other part is the reward. Generally speaking, the higher the risk the higher the reward. That is why you saw people a few centuries ago leave the relative comfort of Europe to stake a claim in the swamps of Eastern Virginia while fighting a legitimate war of survival against hostile natives. Colonists could own their own land, and make a living off of said land, and provide a future for their children.

You cannot have success with some sort of challenge in the way of it. The human brain is wired to overcome extreme challenges and hardship.

No, because of my own personal meaning. Your utopia IS other people's dystopia.

Communists are the most selfish of all humans.

>selfishness is bad
>christian cuck flag
fuck off moralfag idiot

>Stop being ideologically enslaved ok m80?

No, and here's why. Doctors would be paid the same as a janitor, despite providing a life saving service. This is unjust, as I'd want to see doctors rewarded for their good work.

Because the pay would be so low, It wouldn't inspire people to become Doctors, or even skilled labourers. What is the point of education if you can just be a NEET and get a doctor's salary? Greed is important, and if utilized correctly, can save nations.

No. Men are competitive. Communism is for losers.

Notice this cunt completely ignores the questions about "Form each + too each".

Excuse my you useful idiot?
I'm a cuck? Look who you'd die for, faggot

that's a pretty big IF you got there

That's like saying "Would you believe in Christ if you actually knew for a fact that the Bible is 100% true?"

As long as conflict exists over scarce resources, capitalism is the superior social technology for ethical distribution.

When we have replicator technology for material items and virtual augmented reality, the post-capitalist system can ethically emerge.

These manlet (((revolutions))) that try to force the issue prematurely only end up swinging the pendulum the complete other way. Your revolution will happen in good time. Don't force it.

First learn what ethnic cleansing means before you use the term. Ethnic cleansing is the physical removal of a ethnic minority from a certain territory. It implies the minority LEAVING, willingly or otherwise (but staying alive).

The word you're looking for is genocide, not ethnic cleansing.

So I would live in a government chosen house in a government chosen area with government chosen neighbours government chosen job. What happens if If the government wants it back?

>would you support communism if it actually worked

>if it actually worked

>if

Communism is judaism where non-jews are paid nothing to serve their jewish masters who run the thing (Just like in soviet union).

I'm ancap to the core, but I'll defend OP here. He specifically asks what we think about commie Utopia, which implies the post-government anarchic society that comes after capitalism.

No government supposedly exists in Utopia, but the commies always end up being a giant government anyway.

Selfishness is bad, and only a sociopath would argue otherwise. It is a profound fact that Leftist ideologies make people selfish.

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>no religion
>can't be rich people
>if i work hard i gain 5$,if im lazy i gain 5$
what's this?i don't want any of this.Religion teaches morality.Without morality degeneracy prevails.Why can't i earn more if i work harder?Why is my lazy dumb co-worker earns the same as me?

>if

I would also like to shoot fireballs from my hands, if I could.

I need a lot and my abilities are dogshit. Gibs me dat

Communism only exists in two places
In heaven, where they don't need it.
And Hell, where they have always had it.

>nothing came after the dictatorship of the proletariat
Communism hasn't even achieved this step. Not even Spain.

>man dies from lack of medicine at all

Oh shit the variable was cost this time

The only points at which the Soviet Union did not outgrow the United States were when the fascist excrescence reared its ugly head, and the immediate post Civil War period.

>Communism has not achieved this step
>Hehehe, what do you mean, 'illegal invasion of sovereign soil?' What do you mean 'overthrowing a democratically elected government?'

You can work as hard as you want, but most of the wealth you are generating goes to those with capital.

>religion teaches morality
Religion teaches submissiveness.

As long as the means for replicator technologies are privately owned, then there will be scarcity. There is no incentive, according to capitalism, to increase supply past the point of positive ROI.

>religion teaches submissiveness

Thats why the USSR is still around right? Because of atheism? And they outlasted the states.

Doctors are paid a pittance in comparison with people who were born with capital. Furthermore, of course people would still become doctors. The Soviet Union's medicinal research was world famous, while the US has a higher infant mortality rate than Cuba

That's just a dictatorship, not a dictatorship of the proletariat.

The USSR failed because they moved closer to a capitalist system of economics.

Furthermore, aside from eliminating all of the money that the church gets from tricking stupid people into donating with no oversight, and politicians spending money on Ark museums as opposed to medical research, religion's influence on economics is present but somewhat tangential.

>than cuba
>implies cuba tells the truth

Right, a dictatorship of capital, the United States. The same country that caused more death and chaos than many other empires combined.

>fake news
Kek. Capital has far less incentive to tell the truth. In fact, they have solid incentive to lie. "Of course you can trust us, look at how many people we helped! Hehehe..."

>Would you support communism if it wasn't communism
hmmmmmmmmmm

>if

I would argue this limiting factor is ethical. Do we want unlimited growth? Are we going to take utilitarianism ad absurdum until we cover the planet with humans? I like the self-regulation that accompanies competition. I haven't seen a collectivist argument that addresses this well.

>the self-regulation that accompanies competition

I nearly spit out my drink laughing. There is competition until one company wins, at which point the dictatorship of capital becomes manifest. There is no reason any single commodity would be endless in capitalism.

Additionally, capitalism is responsible for the massive population growth, due to the fact that planning is spread out and not collective. A collectivist society will be able to plan for population growth far better than 'fuck you, I got mine'

Nigger, have you never had a conversation before? We were discussing specifically the Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

I have had very many conversations, with very many intelligent people. I have also had very many conversations with homeless schizophrenics, who rant about incomprehensible and inane things, like aliens and how corporate tax breaks stimulate the economy. When I see someone who is so disconnected with reality and logic so as to not be able to string together a thought, I tend to ignore the facile and stupid things they say.

I should expect that you are quite acclimated to this, however, which is why I am surprised at your consternation.

It won't, so the question is irrelevant.

I would, however, like to reform communists. Pic related.