I’m having a debate with some faggoty family members who think 9/11 was an inside job.
I already explained to them that steel melts at 2750F and jet fuel burns at 1500F, and thermite burns at 4000F. I also explained how thermite is made of iron and aluminum when they are ignited together, and that a 747 contains 147,000 pounds of aluminum, and the WTC building was full of steel/iron. Thus, the plane collision and explosion created thermite, which weakened the central core of the WTC to which all floors were tethered to, and when it collapsed, the building pancaked in on itself.
I did all of that, but then they’re like “Well why did WTC7 fall? It was a block away.”
>Help me out anons Get your head out of your ass, and accept the fact that it was an inside job.
Adrian Fisher
>People work INSIDE a building >not an inside job
John Nelson
>Most inept presidency of all time orchestrated an advanced spook operation that wouldve required hundreds if not thousands to pull off and not only pull it off but keep it a secret all these years.
Lol, fuck off retard
Angel Evans
>comparing large pieces of metal colliding to finely a ground mixture
Adam Cruz
meant for
Xavier Parker
And what, praytell, do you think happened to large chunks of aluminum when it struck steel at hundreds of miles per hour and exploded?
Carson Rivera
Thermite is made with iron oxide, not iron.
Daniel Phillips
Thermite is powdered Iron oxide and Aluminum. The oxide is very important. Iron oxide and iron are not the same thing. Iron oxide is "rust".
You clearly don't know the first thing about chemistry. You should stop trying to debate chemistry.
Evan Ramirez
Either way the elements for thermite were all in the building, and there are pictures after the impact that clearly show molten metal leaking from the burning building (meaning a thermite reaction was taking place).
Charles Robinson
Just shut the fuck up already. It needs to be finely ground to the point it is a super fine dust. It also needs to be mixed and stirred up perfectly in just the right ratio or it doesn't burn. There are lots of videos of people trying to make thermite on youtube. It's actually pretty difficult to get a mixture that burns right.
Aluminum doesn't turn to dust in a crash. The buildings were made of steel, not iron. The steel wouldn't turn to dust either The steel isn't iron oxide There is no way they could mix into the perfect ratio even if the the dust was somehow formed
Your argument retarded
Henry Flores
It was an inside job, but the building collapse was real. Why fake collapse and risk being exposed trough a random bystander with a handycam, when you can do a real collapse?
Noah Baker
Magnesium burns up to 4000 and aircraft are built with tons of magnesium. Just sayin.
Logan Ortiz
>he thinks the president did it are you fucking retarded since when do leaders ever do anything outside of agreeing or disagreeing with the plan
> melts Also it does not need to melt. Also concrete is not as fire-resistant, as you might think.
Adam Price
Check this graph and show it to your family, it will redpill them instantly. It explains clearly why 9/11 was an inside job.
Michael Sanchez
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Henry Thomas
The steel doesn't have to reach the melting point for a beam to fail. All it has to do is reach the point where the bolted connections become "plastic" and deform enough for the bolts to pull through the connection plates or beam web. Morons who think that the beam has to reach melting point are totally clueless.
911 was an inside job. Anyone who thinks otherwise is retarded. Like people who think hollywood jews and democrats are good people.
Nolan Stewart
The plane vaporized on impact. It did not make it to the support beams idiot. Remove one side of the building, in the theoretical side that the plane impact and heat (which didnt) took out the side, causing a collapse. The building would would collpase SIDE WAYS, falling to ONE SIDE, the same side that got hit. Instead we get a controlled demolition collapse.
Nathaniel Ortiz
>muh jet fuel
Everyone who thinks jet fuel is some sort of magical highly-explosive or specialized fuel is fucking retarded.
You know what jet fuel actually is? Fucking kerosine. Slightly more refined than diesel. Do the steel pistons melt in your diesel truck? How about the IRON engine block - does that turn to a molten pile of liquified metal after driving for 500 miles? Keep in mind that the temperatures of ignited fuel under COMPRESSION will be much higher than fuel burning in open air.
Levi Davis
It doesnt matter which side was hit.
Each floor was suspended with cables to the central column. Sever the column, and the whole thing pancakes.
Jace Cox
Occam's Razor says 9/11 was NOT an "inside job." If it were, the simplest way would have been to skip the hijackings and just blow up the WTC, similar to what was tried in 1993. After all, the hijackings might not succeed (see Flight 93), or might miss their targets (the Pentagon crash happened because the hijackers couldn't find the White House from the air). They were a whole lot of extra trouble that could go wrong, so the only reason for them was because it was NOT an inside job.
WTC7 collapsed because the collapse of the towers next door was like an earthquake.
Zachary Young
why would they make it a controlled demolition? i mean what's the difference to them if 3000 people died or if 5000 or more died?
Jace Morgan
Because then a whole shitload of other businesses and people would have been involved, instead of JUST the WTC and it's owners. More people involved means more LAWSUITS and more actual investigations which they absolutely do not want. The people in the buildings that died are nobodies to them and couldn't afford to sue their local barbershop if they wanted to. But property owners? Business owners? Some of them are not part of the "grand plan" so that would take a lot of convincing...
Controlled chaos is better than actual chaos when you have a plan you are trying to enact.
Do you honestly believe jet fuel burns anywhere close to 1500ºF in open air? Do you even know where that number comes from? Do you know what the max theoretical adiabatic burn temperature of combustable fuels are? I'm guessing no, because that video is fucking retarded. Pour a bunch of jet fuel into a tub and light it on fire (which you can't even do, funnily enough) and lay some steel rebar in there. Do you think it will turn color like it does in that faggots video where he is using a goddamn forge?
Samuel Sanders
WTC7 was obviously demolished using explosives. Review the footage.
Adrian Carter
>I also explained how thermite is made of iron and aluminum when they are ignited together that's not how thermite works. As people have pointed out, they need to be finely ground and mixed in the right proportions.
World trade centre one and two collapse because they were hit by a few hundred tons of metal travelling and several hundred miles an hour. The initial impact damaged the support structures in the central core; first responders reported seeing iron girders ejected down onto the street below. With the remaining support girders already under a heavier load than they were designed for, the ensuing fire only needed to soften them - NOT COMPLETELY MELT THROUGH THEM - to result in a catastrophic failure.
The idea that the collapse was the result of explosives placed beforehand is retarded. Firstly, if the tower was laced with any type of explosive then it would have ignited when the plane first hit. Secondly, the point where the collapse started was very clearly exactly where the plane had hit it, which would have been impossible to predict beforehand. Anyone putting forward the thermite theory needs to explain how it failed to ignite for over an hour in the middle of a raging inferno, and how the people who put it there knew exactly which floor the plane would hit (when it would be impossible for any pilot to aim that precisely) in order to make it look like a natural collapse.
And if all that isn't enough, then they'd have to explain WHY anyone would go to the trouble of lacing the building with explosives. I mean, what does blowing up the twin towers accomplish that isn't already achieved by slamming two planes into them? You still have the casus belli, and the buildings would still have to be demolished afterwards forcing the insurance to pay out.
World Trade Centre 7 collapsed because debris from the Twin Towers fell through the roof and penetrated deep into the building's core, causing major structural damaged and starting a fire.
Gavin Phillips
I love how most Americans think their government is incompetent but at the same time could pull off one of the most audacious conspiracies in history.
Daniel Peterson
>conflating the government itself with the people attempting to overthrow it Are you that retarded?
Blake Rivera
>looks at little noodle beam bruh theres like 20x more steal in each beam
Adrian Powell
The quantities of iron oxide(iron produced rust) were insufficient to produce enough thermite quantities to even do anything noticeable.
Julian Phillips
Building was on fire Building collapsed.
Yeah, must have been the government.
Andrew Rivera
>most americans believe their gov is incompetent. No one believes ALL of the US gov is incompetent. Just certain parts. See fast and furious and las vegas shooting for some examples.
Landon Johnson
>I mean, what does blowing up the twin towers accomplish that isn't already achieved by slamming two planes into them? Because if they didn't collapse the towers hardly anyone would have died. Funny how they "renovated" the entire elevator system in all 3 towers just before this event occurred...
>where are the core columns of each building located? >are they accessible from the elevator shafts, which are also in the center of the buildings?
David Perez
>plane >jet airliner >the same impact
Oh boy I am laffin
Landon Young
You don't need to melt the steel to make the tower collapse, just heat at around 400°C and it loose all its good mechanical characteristic.
Heating steel to 400º isn't anywhere close to making it lose structural integrity. Or make it glow fucking bright orange-yellow.
Didn't any of you faggots take shop class in high school? This is basic stuff and doesn't even involve any understanding of thermodynamics.
Adrian Wilson
>t. hasbara apprentice
William Parker
>inb4 dumb american doesn't understand celcius! 400ºC is around 750ºF - your stovetop can generate more heat than that on a fucking frypan.
Samuel Hernandez
if charges were placed on multiple floors they wouldnt have to know exactly where the impact would be
Cameron Jackson
So the building was rusted out? Do you even understand the things you read and write?
Robert White
>Because if they didn't collapse the towers hardly anyone would have died. Except for the hundreds of people in the planes, and the hundreds more at the immediate impact point.
>Funny how they "renovated" the entire elevator system in all 3 towers just before this event occurred... Not really. In a building that size there's always some maintenance work going on, and given the age of the towers it's not surprising they were upgrading the machinery.
So you failed to answer those points, and you didn't even try to answer any of the others.
Noah Thompson
>Ground level >NOT the level that collapsed >Area full of firefighter trying to extract the last trapped survivors >By removing all they could >Trace of a clear cut Who could have made this cut? Surely, it was the CIA of the Mossad who planted clean cutting termite to make the building collapse and they also hijacked planes because fuck logic anyway.
Bentley Morales
The building didn't collapse due to burning jet fuel because virtually all the fuel burned off in a fireball upon impact at temps far below those required to affect steel. In one building people above the impact point were able to climb down an emergency exit past the supposed inferno; tragically all the emergency exits were destroyed in the other tower. All three WTC buildings that collapsed on 9/11 did so in controlled demolitions. The BBC announced the collapse of WTC7 40 minutes before it occurred with the building visible behind the reporter.
Owen Flores
Cool, and every other building around it is super strength?
Sebastian Myers
>Except for the hundreds of people in the planes, and the hundreds more at the immediate impact point. Hundreds versus thousands.
>In a building that size there's always some maintenance work going on "Largest most sophisticated elevator modernization programs in the industry's history" is not exactly "maintenance" you moron.
Nice try, though.
Isaac Wilson
If charges were placed on multiple floor then why wasn't a ton of unexploded ordnance found in the rubble? It didn't go off when the towers fell or the towers would have collapsed in freefall rather than giving way at the impact point and pancaking down, as you can clearly see on the videos. The wreckage was combed through extensively by thousands of emergency personal and investigators, and none of them found any explosives.
Nolan Jenkins
You sure wrote a lot of stuff just to be stupid.
Evan Morris
There is no way a plane could hit a building and not survive.
Chase White
>(the Pentagon crash happened because the hijackers couldn't find the White House from the air)
proof?
Christopher Lee
The planes were needed as show. Once the cameras were trained on the building then the demolition commenced. The event was designed to be broadcast around the world. Destruction of the towers soley through the use explosives wouldn't have the optics that was required for the psyop side of the operation
Ian Barnes
>The wreckage was combed through extensively by thousands of emergency personal and investigators, and none of them found any explosives. How the fuck would you know what they found in the massive pile of powdered rubble or what was "combed through" and by whom?
>Hundreds versus thousands. Are you really trying to pretend that America would have just shrugged its shoulders and said 'eh, what're you gonna do' if foreign terrorists had launched an attack that brought down three planes, severely damaged three buildings, and killed hundreds of people? When one American plane when down over Lockerbie - which isn't even in America - everyone flipped their shit and the American government bombed Tripoli in an attempt to assassinate colonel Ghadafi. America got into the first Gulf War without any action against them by Iraq at all. Trying to pretend that hundreds dead isn't a big deal is just being wilfully obtuse.
>"Largest most sophisticated elevator modernization programs in the industry's history" If they were really planting explosives, wouldn't they try to keep it low key? Either way my point stands. If it hadn't been the elevators, you'd be pointing at the overhaul of the air conditioning, or the wiring, or the plumbing. 'Maintenance' in a building the size of the twin towers includes big projects that rip out and replace entire systems.
Matthew Collins
hey froggie is that people falling out near the tower ?
John Smith
9--11 was done by jews to demolish building to make way for a new one because it was easier and cheaper do that then try to do a regular demo
Jack Jones
>The planes were needed as show. Why? You plant bombs, you just detonate the bombs and say it was Ossama. Alternatively, if you want to hickjack planes, you don't need the bombs. Remember the Greenfell tower? Imagine it was the WTC. Hours, if not days of an inferno tower with thousand of people in it. You don't even need the tower to collapse with that. Why would you make things so complicated?
Just to get cameras looking at the towers? It was a center of attention of countless tourists. The planes have been caught hitting the planes, the tower collapsing would have been too. If you want to be sure, just secretly pay one guy to record it all.
Nathaniel Roberts
Tiny spheres of thermite were found all over in the dust. Lookup Dr Niels Harrit
Nathan Morgan
Use celsius not the fahrenheit undermensch piss
Benjamin Wood
The worlds media was watching live. Shock and awe.
Zachary Foster
You can't create thermit that way
Jace Torres
You know what would have been more shocking? The towers not collapsing. Take a minute to imagine what would have been on screen.
Jace Davis
Because, as I said, it was combed through pretty extensively in the aftermath. Granted, a lot of it was just pulverised, but there were still plenty of pieces still intact. The wreckage of the twin towers was maybe the most closely examined crime scene in history - you can't just say that all those investigators happened to miss several tons of explosives.
Liam King
Hundreds dead, which has happened many times in our country's history, is a tragedy and maybe a month of bad news stories. Thousands dead is enough to motivate an entire country to go to war with the WRONG FUCKING ENEMY.
You are bad at this. Stop trying to pretend like propaganda isn't real, optics don't matter and media manipulation of people's emotions doesn't happen for political purposes - especially as motivation for war.
Noah Stewart
Impact fusing and maybe even some melting/alloying. Not turning to aluminium dust and iron oxide dust mixed together in the right proportions to make thermite.
Josiah Brooks
Fire fighters and rescue workers are going to be looking for and able to identify bomb materials? Are you paid to be this stupid and misleading?
Landon Lee
I have a degree in fire behaviour science.. Your an idiot you need to look at the expanding ratio of steel vs temperature then look at confined space heat index and how its hotter than the material burning.. your just an idiot..
Parker Bennett
>using million dollar planes is cheaper than normal explosives at the bottom
Isaac Anderson
The steel in the towers didn't "melt" The yield strength (basically the max value at which steel begins to permanently deform) decreases drastically at high temperatures.
Austin Perry
WTC 7 had major FBI offices inside it. Most of the evidence regarding the Enron scandal was there. Enron was and is the largest financial scandal in USA history and Bush was neck deep in it.
Silverstein, the owner of the WTC complex made billions on the insurance of the attack. Vice President Dick Cheney was the former CEO of Haliburton. Haliburton had many billions of dollars in no bid contracts with the government after 9/11. Bush was neck deep in the Enron scandal and personally benefited from most of the evidence being lost. The more you look into 9/11 the stranger it gets.
Jace Myers
It took 13 years for this new tower to open. They spent years picking through every bit of dust to find bone fragments. This would have been the least effective way to bring about a replacement building imaginable.
Elijah Diaz
Thermite is just aluminium and iron fused together at high temperatures. The impact might not have produced enough aluminium and iron dust to create the kind of effect that OP suggests, but the fact that trace amounts of a fused iron-aluminium mix were found in the aftermath of an aluminium plane hitting a building with an iron internal structure is hardly surprising or particularly meaningful.
Carson Harris
>wouldve required hundreds if not thousands Nah, at most it would have required a few dozen guys that knew the plan and no matter how many that only knew their specific part of the plan. How do you think the Mafia works?
Carson Sanders
here we go again
Logan Peterson
MIT estimated that the planes were going somewhere between 490 to 580 MPH. That's physically impossible due to the air being heavier at 1000' above sea level.
Justin Wright
Iron oxide
There is a difference. It's so annoying seeing people who could't pass a chemistry class arguing about chemistry.
Benjamin Reed
The most effective being, well, to sell it. It was still a good pair of building, rent gave a ton of mony, Lucky Larry would have made as much money by just selling it.
>Hurr paid twice Yeah, one for every tower.
Logan Mitchell
>the elements for thermite were all in the building The elements for a hydrogen bomb are probably all over your kitchen. The elements. Iron oxide is NOT an element.
Juan Hill
>France Thanks for the guns in the Rev but kindly fuck off. It took us 200 years to be the strongest mf on the face of the earth, how long has your Civ been around? Your opinion is on par with the opinions of cattle.
Chase Cruz
Oy Vey, The insurance paid for the buildings and the tax payer paid for the clean up. How do I insurance fraud?
Bentley Thompson
You need a very even mixture of the two ingredients to achieve a thermitic reaction, the smaller the average particle size the better. Simply having masses of one near masses of the other (and no way there was enough iron oxide "naturally" present on the steel, which itself is iron and carbon with other metals) is insufficient.
There's a YouTube video of a guy who demonstrated nano thermite is quite possible to make in your own backyard, because he did that, using I beam cross sections.
Also didn't require hundreds of people, at most a couple dozen IISO (Mossad) operatives. The "dancing" Arabs.
Levi Ross
Jets can easily hit 490 at low level.
Xavier Rivera
So, your argument is that rust can't be found in an old building?
Landon Cooper
Fire fighters and rescue workers might notice something by accident, given that they were searching the wreckage for days. But if they missed something, do you think that after the first responders were finished everybody just shrugged their shoulders and said 'oh well, I guess we just dump all this in a landfill now.'? Investigators spent YEARS processing the wreckage. Part of the point was to find any bodies that were still retrievable, but while they were at it they analysed the debris extensively, trying to build a complete picture of what had happened.
Ayden Cooper
Give us all the oil of the US and a fucking ocean between us and our rivals and see what happen.
Elijah Diaz
>Investigators Sure thing, buddy. And all of this was written up in the official report. You're either a shill or just a useful idiot at this point if you think people aren't capable of lying and covering things up. That's assuming there would even be a way of finding traces of "explosives", which you have no idea what that material would be, in pulverized rubble consisting of metal, cement, office materials, etc.
Aaron Mitchell
The Pentagon crash also just happened to hit the office investigating trillions in missing goybucks that had recently been discovered.
Henry Evans
>Help me out anons. its almost like no one was old enough to be aware during 911 anymore around here. And the conspiracy theorists just conveniently forget what happened that day too to sell books.
Building 7 was on fire from the debris. It was a completely out of control fire, as Manhattan just lost half of their fire dept, and all of their water for fighting fires when the WTC went down due to disruption in the water lines in lower Manhattan. They couldn't even get fire crews near the building, the fire was clear as day, shown on TV well into the afternoon, black clouds of smoke billowing from building 7. There was talk ON TV, that since they couldn't put the fire out at building 7, they might go with a controlled destruction of the building to prevent the building from collapsing in weird ways and start destroying buildings around it.
They never had a chance to bring it down as the building collapsed on it's own after a whole day of uncontrolled fire. There is video galore of this. Conspiracy theorists of course ignore those videos exist in order to feed on the minds of the mentally ill and unstable.
Ryan Ramirez
>Thus, the plane collision and explosion created thermite, which weakened the central core of the WTC to which all floors were tethered to, and when it collapsed, the building pancaked in on itself. ^THIS is not the offical report. but hey. why not make things up.
>who think 9/11 was an inside job. it does not matter. we don't know and even if they come out with the truth we will not believe it anyway. they missinform with 3+ ways things may have gone or have some whacky "evidence" for.
doesn't matter. who ever did this MAD propps! to pull this of isn't easy no matter who did it.
>“Well why did WTC7 fall? It was a block away.” BLOCK? ahahahahaaaaaa ... ohh wow .. nice
