Shaft

What is your honest opinion of this studio?

Pretentious shit desu my senpai senpaitachi

Still my favorite studio, although they've been pretty boring the last few years.

They're the ones we should blame for death of industry. They are cancer. They make anime about panties and cool poses, and people PAY for that shit, of course, another studios will take the example and do the same.

Reminder their best show is hugely underrated

I like some of their stuff like Madoka and Monogatari but the majority of their stuff is pretentious and shallow. Their signature style gets very annoying as well.

Who has followed SHAFT's example, then?

Made my 2 favorite anime series, Pani Poni Dash and Monogatari.

Yes I watch it just for those few seconds of a panty shots. I sit through all those seasons of almost only dialogue just for that.

Why is it that I haven't seen any hate for queens blade for example but when someone does it only for a moment they are shat upon.

They're ok. A lot of fags do seem to get butthurt by them for whatever reason though and they need to get over it.

Shinbo/10. Might actually do a good Fate series.

The only thing they made that I like was Arakawa. Outside of that it's one of the most otaku pandering studios with a very cut and paste style. It's a studio that very much goes for flash in the pan kind of style rather than substance.

I find the gataris especially boring and they come off as extremely full of themselves.

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Neko mimi modo ~

From the Shinbo-era works that I have seen, I more or less loved practically all of them of them (eg. Tsukuyomi, Pani Poni, SZS, Hidamari, Maria Holic, Natsu no Arashi, Arakawa, SoreMachi Monogatari, Madoka, Denpa Onna, Sasami-san, Koufuku Graffiti, 3-Gatsu), the rare misses being Mekaku City because of production and Nisekoi because of source material (and apparently Vampire Bund, but I haven't watched that). IMO most of these series have good source material with originality, which is the reason

I'm a seiyuufag, so their top tier casts (the all-time peak being Arakawa) are always very pleasing to ears. Listening to web radios (Aoki Ume, Kobayashi Jin, and Nakamura Hikaru were all guests on their respective series' web radio) also showed how much work Shinbo and the staff do to please the original creators .

Another thing I really like about Shaft is how loyally they adapt the character designs and their creative OPs & EDs. Guest illustration end-cards are also an obvious thing to do these days, and Shaft was the studio that both invented and popularized them.

My favourite studio if only because i've liked all of their shows that i've watched so far Madoka, Monogatari, Arakawa, Maria Holic, SZS, Hidamari Sketch, 3-gatsu, Soredemo

Pretty original, somehow low budget

Hated because the autistic monogatari fanbase still saying the anime is a masterpiece and so its the studio.

Well, Bakemonogatari is a masterpiece, the later monogatari anime not so much.

If you're not pretentious you're not trying hard enough.

Bake sucks.

Your opinion is wrong.

Bakemonogatari feels like the dumb art student version of Tatami Galaxy

Deff wrong

Great OPs and EDs

This will be dope

I enjoy watching most of their shows. I just enjoy watching anything that catches my eye.

love them and most of the shows they make, not just monogatari (though it is my favorite). 3gatsu and Zategoto are both pretty and interesting enough, glad 3-gatsu isn't over yet. the Kizu movies were great and i can't fucking wait for owari2

also, people on this board hate SHAFT because its a thing to do - most people havent even seen anything theyve made outside of a few episodes of monogatari and cast their judgement. shinbo is not the entire staff, believe it or not

Tatami galaxy literally is a dumb art student project.

Yeah I know, so put that into perspective with what I said the gataris. Helps that Tatami was made by one of the best all time directors.

madoka was so bad i refuse to watch anything else from them

Nah, tatami galaxy is so bland, colorless and dull that I never really could make it past the 3 minutes of the episode 1.

Talented but dislike how they've really focused on the gatari series apart from a few other stuff.

Yes I realize they mush finish all of it but it just feels like they could have put the talent to so much better stuff, Hell even originals if they weren't tied down to a certain series.

Wow you have the mind of either a child or a goldfish. As to be expected of the rabid part of Shaft's fanbase. You might want to watch more than 3 minutes before thinking you can judge the entirety of a series.

Do you have ADHD?

Nasu is saving them from falling into rehashes and mediocrity.

They'll just make Fate/Monogatari

i dislike most things they do

How triggered do you have to be to make a post, fuck it up, delete it and make another one? Chill the fuck out, my man.

Probably my favorite studio.
This

I don't follow how you can like Bake but not any of the following entries into the series.

If you're there for the art/animation, Nise did that better than Bake.
If you're there for the characters, none of them are even interesting until after Bake. In part because the anime cuts so much character-building dialogue out.
If it's the "MC gets mixed up in teenage angst problems with some supernatural shit mixed in" then the end of Second Season + the beginning of Owari do this better at that than any arc in Bake does.
All the best OPs are from later on in the series.
Meme was even worse than Gaen is when it comes to dumping exposition onto the viewer out of the director's inability to find a way to portray that information in a more natural manner, Meme himself is more plot-device than he is character even despite the rose tinted glasses people here look at him with.

The only thing Bake actually had going for it over the future entries is having the best ED song in the series. If you're going to dislike the series then be fucking consistent and dislike Bake too atleast.

I mean I messed up my spoiler so I felt like fixing it. Might want to take the content of my post to heart more than any of my mistakes in formatting, buckaroo.

Because in Bake there aren't so many characters introduced and it really is great as a standalone anime, not tied to the previous installments because there aren't any. The next installments introduce more and more characters and eventually it becomes a pile of cluttered shit.

I also liked that everything in it fits together neatly especially the sound track. And no Bake's OP was the best one in the whole series probably only koimonogatari is closer in quality.
Kill yourself, my man.

Lots of people liked Bake, hated Nise so much that they dropped the series entirely, and then judge the entire series based off of their final impressions despite now not having watched most of the series or knowing much about any of the characters anymore. These people usually are the ones who insist that Bake was the only good one
and on one level it's not that unreasonable really, you don't have to watch every episode of something to have an opinion on a series. Going on to say that one part of the series was the only worthwhile part of the entire franchise makes no sense though.

>Kill yourself, my man.
Not quite addressing the issue there, tiger.

>it's the most standalone
No shit, it was the first one. Later entries aren't as standalone by nature because they're sequels. It's not a criticism for intended sequels to function as sequels unless you're being an idiot and judging sequels as a standalone series for some reason.

>The next installments introduce more and more characters and eventually it becomes a pile of cluttered shit.
How is the cast cluttered? Bake was where 75% of the franchise's main cast were introduced.

>And no Bake's OP was the best one in the whole series
Nope. Bake's ED song was the only standout track in it. Every character gets a better OP later on too, this isn't even my personal opinion but the general consensus.

>Later entries aren't as standalone by nature because they're sequels. It's not a criticism for intended sequels to function as sequels unless you're being an idiot and judging sequels as a standalone series for some reason.
Not really. Even if bake didn't have any sequels it wouldn't left the feeling that something wasn't finished.
>Bake was where 75% of the franchise's main cast were introduced.
No it only had the main cast which is really just Araragi, his 3 friends, 2 sisters and Oshino. The whole cast for it barely exceeds 10 people and even for the characters that were being introduced other than Senjougahara and Araragi they didn't participate that much in the story.

>Not really. Even if bake didn't have any sequels it wouldn't left the feeling that something wasn't finished.
You could end the series on Nise and it'd achieve that feeling, if not moreso since it actually fleshed out some of the other characters. The only reason you can't end on Second Season was because Shaft animated Suruga Devil seperately despite it being part of the LNs, with that arc included all the characters had more finalty in their arcs than they did in Bake. Owari's the only one where you can't not have a follow-up, since it literally stopped halfway through the Owari LNs.

The only new main characters introduced were a few more Specialists, Yotsugi, Ougi, and Sodachi. The series is over three times as long as it was back at the end of Bake and that's all they added, not to mention Oshino retired from the story too. It isn't cluttered at all.

>Even if bake didn't have any sequels it wouldn't left the feeling that something wasn't finished.
If I recall correctly Nisio wrote the Nisemono light novels and the Second Season light novels in a way where he felt that they could end with those stories, same as Bakemono.

Granted Shaft cuts so much dialogue out of the novels due to their terrible method of just copy-pasting chunks of the story (and obviously not being able to fit it all into 22 minute episodes) instead of actually attempting to 'adapt' the story to the anime format (like what they're doing with Kizumono - too bad Jewplex split it into 3 movies though) so maybe it's not worth even mentioning Nisio's intent I suppose.

They need to animate more Palutena.

>Specialists, Yotsugi, Ougi, and Sodachi
You forgot Gaen, Kaiki, Episode, Yozuru, Tadatsuru, Hanekawa as cat, Nadeko as snake and a bunch of other semi offscreen characters making at most two-time appearance which totals to basically 20 characters from the original 10, which means that your claim that Bake introduced 75% of the character is fundamentally wrong.

>shinbo is not the entire staff, believe it or not
Yeah but most of their work in recent years have been trying to ape Shinbo's garbage style, even when it adds nothing good to the story. Arakawa Under the Bridge would've been way better if animated more traditionally instead of in that weird Shinbo gag format.

Atleast it's OP was great though, I guess. People go on and on about Shaft's visuals but it's their sountracks and choice of VAs that are top tier. That's the actual great thing about Bakemonogatari too, not it's dopey looking slideshow artstyle.

my favourite

>Gaen, Kaiki, Yozuru, Tadatsuru
I said Specialists, didn't I?

>Episode
Shows up in the prologue in Bake episode 1. Not a main character either, it's like calling Senjougahara's dad a main character.

>Hanekawa as cat, Nadeko as snake
Are you serious? Do you count Kanbaru when possessed by Rainy Devil as a new and seperate character to Kanbaru too?

The franchise is over 3 times as long as it was back at the end of Bake and not only has it's only introduced a small amount of new main characters, with most of the main cast being the ones from Bake. The series frankly suffers from less clutter further into the series since Bake didn't even flesh out most of it's characters well. Bake would've probably been better with the direction it had if it had half the amount of characters that it did.

that would be kyoani and A1

>That's the actual great thing about Bakemonogatari too, not it's dopey looking slideshow artstyle.
I can agree with that. I thought Bakemonogatari was terrible in most regards but every character sounded sexy atleast and emotional scenes were voiced really well (if only any of the dialogue itself felt even remotely genuine)

>Fate/Monogatari/Madoka

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>Nasu of all people saving anyone from rehashing
You better be baiting.

Hearing Hiroshi Kamiya elsewhere is weird now because it always sounds like Koyomi to me now. You can tell that he has (or had?) some range by looking at his earlier roles but ever since Monogatari it feels like he doesn't even bother anymore. Atleast in the shit I've heard him in lately anyway.

>Do you count Kanbaru when possessed by Rainy Devil as a new and seperate character to Kanbaru too?
Pretty much. They're completely different personalities and thus different characters. It makes sense.

>kyoani
>panties
Kyoani is fairly fanservice free with some exceptions.

>Arakawa Under the Bridge would've been way better if animated more traditionally instead of in that weird Shinbo gag format.
>A weird gag/comedy series would be better if it wasn't animated in a weird comedy format
Nani?

>forgetting floating panty girl so soon

I said with some exceptions

Does it count if it's standard fairyware though?

Literally the best animation, but they never use it on anything actually worth animating.

>shaft
>best animation

Pretty lackluster in recent years. They used to be my favorite up until about 2013. I've only really liked Koufuku Graffiti since then. Monogatari went to shit after Nise because Itamura totally just stopped trying to imitate Oishi's style. But thank god Oishi is finally back with Kizu. Hopefully he gets back to working on more stuff once Kizu is done.

I don't like the monogatari series in general but after catching up to some of the season 2 I think they are decently produced. My favorite Shaft shows are things like ef, soremachi, zetsubou which they probably won't ever make again since they found commercial success in the pretentious normies audience.

>normie