Dragon Ball Thread

Discuss everything Dragon Ball here.

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>first post

King Cold is in his final form, Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, Tien is the strongest human, Trunks surpassed Blue Vegito and Beerus, Gohan is still irrelevant

Cell is a shit villain.

>Discuss everything Dragon Ball here.

SSB Kaiokek x 10

>King Cold is in his final form
>Gohan is still irrelevant
True

>Kid Buu is stronger than Super Buu, Tien is the strongest human, Trunks surpassed Blue Vegito and Beerus
And then you had to fuck it up

Ironically, Black is more "perfect" than Cell

It's always the mangafags that talk about how the manga is much better.

Switch this shit around.

In before "Mango Black isn't smug!"

Kid Buu's Ki was explicitly stated to increase from Super Buu, Krillin stopped training after Buu and became a fucking cop while Tien continued pushing himself, Trunks fought and defeated Zamasu while Vegito couldn't inflict any damage even with his super duper Final Kamehameha. And he was stronger than Beerus, that much should be obvious.

>Except what Toei did was fuck up power scaling for the sake of fanservice.

As opposed to fuck up power scaling to make the villain shit?

How is SS Black losing to SS2 Vegeta not fucked up power-scaling?

>is smug
>then whines like a little bitch when he's losing
>JUST LIKE ANY OTHER DBZ VILLAIN

Oh wow, what an interesting character

Can we not have this turn into another autistic shitflinging "MUH MANGO IS BETTER THAN UR ANIMU" thread? Please, guys?

Broly would beat up Cell easily

...

He's just exposed for the little bitch he truly is: Zamasu.

>Kid Buu's Ki was explicitly stated to increase from Super Buu
No, you mean buffed up Buu's power was explicitly stated to increase.

>Krillin stopped training after Buu and became a fucking cop while Tien continued pushing himself,
And promotional material for Resurrection F as well as Toriyama after the manga ended still called Krillin the strongest. So, official material > your headcanon.

>Trunks fought and defeated Zamasu while Vegito couldn't inflict any damage even with his super duper Final Kamehameha.
Plot armor

>And he was stronger than Beerus, that much should be obvious.
Except it isn't

Perfect Cell regenrates after Broly's attack, and barely wins against him

Super Perfect Cell easily kills Broly

>Black is Zamasu
>Zamasu is Zamasu
>both literally the same character with no differences between them besides appearance
>this is somehow more interesting than a Zamasu that has taken some of Goku's traits due to his new body and is a completely different character to future Zamasu

> Giving two different villains from different time-lines is a bad thing

destroy earth = dooming himself to a boring life he should've defeated gohan and become the first bad guy to become good guy without being defeated

>Black in the anime
>goes back in time and correctly figures out that Trunks used a time machine and he was able to come back through time through the trail that his machine left
>Sees Son Goku, acts smug towards him, is happy that he's able to fight him and test his body's full power
>Sees Vegeta and Beerus and doesn't act like a little bitch

>manga Black
>gets worried when he sees Vegeta and Goku
>went to the future because he was a pussyfuck afraid of Beerus
>doesn't figure out the situation without Goku and Vegeta spoonfeeding everything to him
>breaks down after Vegeta kicks his ass

>b-b-but muh mango

Cell was stated to be Solar System level at peak.
Broly destroyed entire galaxies and was stated that he would destroy the entire Universe if left unchecked (this is within a regular Saiyan lifespan, mind you, meaning he'd have to be well above SS-Buster to get that done)
Cell was SSJ2 level, which is 2x SSJ1
Broly beat five SSJ1 level guys with literal ease.
Broly stomps if we scale accurately.

>"muh villain is shit! xD"
Will you shut the fuck up if he gets Rose this month and starts winning?

> Rose will fix everything

You obviously don't know what the main issue is

>Broly beat five SSJ1 level guys with literal ease.
Broly is SS5 level guys!

All that was stated in the official Japanese movie was that he was going to destroy the south galaxy if left unchecked. Nothing about multiple galaxies let alone the universe.

>No, you mean buffed up Buu's power was explicitly stated to increase.
And there was no mention of it decreasing when he turned into Kid Buu, they just underestimated his size.

And promotional material for Resurrection F as well as Toriyama after the manga ended still called Krillin the strongest. So, official material > your headcanon.
>Promotional material from over a year ago for a non-canon film should still be taken seriously
Ok user

>Plot armor
So no argument then?

>Except it isn't
Blue Goku and Vegeta could potentially fight Beerus to a standstill based on Goku's performance as an SSG and Beerus's reaction to SSB Kaio-Ken. Vegito is a fusion of them and could probably use SSB Kaio-Ken as well, ignoring the retarded time limit retcon. It isn't hard.

So for the universe survival arc, why are they going with Roshi as opposed to Yamcha, Chiaotzu, Monaka, or Mr. Satan?

>Broly beat five SSJ1 level guys with literal ease.
>Broly stomps if we scale accurately

Then SS1 Goku beats Broly with energy gathered by a bunch of crippled people in one punch

Then 2 kamehameha's (plus Goku's ghost) kills a stronger version of that villain in the sequal

Black looks like he's crying in that first panel

Roshi is the strongest of the weakest

I think he actually might be

They should have at least gotten someone a little bit stronger, like Jackie Chun

I wonder where he is now?

>And there was no mention of it decreasing when he turned into Kid Buu, they just underestimated his size.
Pic related.

>Promotional material from over a year ago for a non-canon film should still be taken seriously
>Toriyama's statements shouldn't be taken seriously
Ok user

>So no argument then?
Fine, Vegetto very clearly weakened Zamasu as at the beginning Zamasu was putting up a good fight and right before Vegetto defused, he was being pounded.

>Blue Goku and Vegeta could potentially fight Beerus to a standstill based on Goku's performance as an SSG
Now you're the one using information from a non-canon movie as an argument

>Beerus's reaction to SSB Kaio-Ken
>a sweat drop now means shit
Hit was scared of Champa and Goku pussied out the moment Beerus told him he could fight him

>Vegito is a fusion of them and could probably use SSB Kaio-Ken as well, ignoring the retarded time limit retcon. It isn't hard.
>Toriyama/Toei cares about numbers

I mean, him being scared of Beerus makes sense. Beerus would fucking slaughter him.

SS3 is useless for long-term battles.

In the short-run, SS3 > SS2

No because SSJ is x50, x5 of that is x250, SSJ4 is only x400.

>Then SS1 Goku beats Broly with energy gathered by a bunch of crippled people in one punch

Plot my dude

>Pic related
You literally just proved that Super Buu's power went down when he lost his absorptions. That's it.

>Toriyama's statements
Regarding a now non-canon film from a year and a half ago. Yes, I think it's a better idea to go with what the currently-running series is giving us.

>Vegito weakening Zamasu
He didn't even damage him. He beat him around a few times but it did nothing. Zamasu didn't give a fuck about the Spirit Sword and literally laughed off the Final Kamehameha.

>Non-canon movie
I'm using Super. They were fighting equally and the clashes threatened to destroy the universe.

>Hit and Goku were scared
They had just fought through several matches, particularly Goku. They were fucking exhausted, of course fighting against Beerus and Champa at that point would have been retarded.

Will Spirit Bomb Blade happen in the manga?

Without the Human Resistance, won't he receive less energy?

He wasn't really a villain, he just wanted to test his perfection.

Cell did nothing wrong.

>You literally just proved that Super Buu's power went down when he lost his absorptions. That's it.
Do you know how to read?
>He's stronger than either of us

>Regarding a now non-canon film from a year and a half ago. Yes, I think it's a better idea to go with what the currently-running series is giving us.
No, moron. Toriyama's statement AFTER the manga ended in a fucking interview.

>He didn't even damage him. He beat him around a few times but it did nothing. Zamasu didn't give a fuck about the Spirit Sword and literally laughed off the Final Kamehameha.
You're retarded. Vegetto was pounding the shit out of Zamasu after he turned into that giant form and mocked him for not being able to keep up with his speed. Zamasu was clearly weaker in his beefed-up form.

>I'm using Super. They were fighting equally and the clashes threatened to destroy the universe.
Yes, and you surely believe that Beerus was using his full power despite the fact that Whis said he was nowhere near it.

>They had just fought through several matches, particularly Goku. They were fucking exhausted, of course fighting against Beerus and Champa at that point would have been retarded.
They had senzu beans. Goku could have asked Krillin for one and fought Beerus if he was so much stronger.

Yes I think it will. Perhaps Goku can charge up a Spirit Bomb and pass it on similar to how he passed it on to Krillin in the Saiyan arc? Just guessing.

Toriyama Interview:
>Toriyama: Kuririn was originally supposed to be just a minor role, so to have him become Goku’s best friend in the blink of an eye…
>Koyama: Well, he is the strongest Earthling male.
>Toriyama: You’re right, he is the strongest among the Earthlings. But in spite of that, he tends to end up in a bad way, so I thought, “once in a while, I have to let him be happy,” and had him get married. (laughs)

RoF Krillin Character Bio:
>The strongest Earthling warrior, who became a pupil of Kame-Sen’nin’s with Goku, and who has fought together with him in numerous life-or-death battles. Now he patrols the town as a police officer.

He said he wanted to continue on destroying the solar system and beyond to test his perfection. Seems pretty villain like to me.
Let's also not forget he drank people like smoothies to achieve his goal. Seems pretty fishy to me.

>Vegetto beat him around a few times but it did nothing.
Zamasu has a (semi?) immortal body

> He beat him around a few times but it did nothing.
Yet, it was still pretty much a one-sided fight in Vegetto's favor. Zamasu was the one being pushed back. Iirc, Zamasu only landed one successful hit...which in the end was only Vegetto baiting him into the Spirit Sword

> Zamasu didn't give a fuck about the Spirit Sword
Actually he made a small cry of pain, and Vegetto called him out on it. Remember he said something along the lines of "why did you wince in pain? I thought you were supposedly immortal?"

> literally laughed off the Final Kamehameha.
I didn't see a laugh. Just a lot of smoke. Who knows if it actually hurt him, but his regenerative/immortal body probably helped.

Back then the Spirit Bomb was much smaller. But maybe..?

TIEN FAGS BTFO

>He's stronger than either of us
And so is Kid Buu.

>Toriyama's statement
Source, retard.

>Vegito was pounding Zamasu
I see you're ignoring the fact that his best efforts did no damage. I accept your concession.

>You sure believe Beerus was using his full power
No, but Goku and Beerus were clashing with universe-busting level power. If Goku can output that kind of power it stands to reason that Goku+Vegeta=Vegito could trash Beerus.

>They had Senzu Beans
I'm not saying Goku is stronger than Beerus, faganon, pay attention.


When is this interview from?

> Interview
Old

> Bio
Unofficial

>like a bitch
>zamasu

Holy shit what a surprise

>And so is Kid Buu.
Uh-huh, sure he is bud.

>Source, retard.
>I see you're ignoring the fact that his best efforts did no damage. I accept your concession.
He's immortal, moron.

>No, but Goku and Beerus were clashing with universe-busting level power. If Goku can output that kind of power it stands to reason that Goku+Vegeta=Vegito could trash Beerus.
This is a non-sequitur. Just because Goku can destroy universes doesn't mean he's anywhere close to Beerus' power. We don't know what's Beerus' limit.

>I'm not saying Goku is stronger than Beerus, faganon, pay attention.
You're saying Goku and Vegeta together could "potentially fight Beerus together to a standstill". I'm saying if they could, then at the tournament they would have done so. Hell, if they could, then they would do so right now, because Beerus is a pain in the ass and they most likely want to stop obeying him (especially Vegeta, who is treated like a bitch and servant).

See:

>suddenly cocky is not generic

Damn you're right it's not like any db villain is a cocky bitch

See:

Is the whole Dragon Ball manga non-canon now as well because it old? What's the new canon now, is it just pic-related?

>old = not canon anymore xD

I accept your concession

>says cocky is generic
>shows me a post where it says Black is good because he's cocky

user...

Yes

>Black in the anime respects his opponents due to Goku's blood
>He respects Goku, calling him the "greatest warrior of the great warrior race" and wants to learn more about him
>Even though he calls Vegeta an appetizer, he respected the fact that Vegeta could achieve Super Saiyan Blue, as he shows off Rosé "as a reward"

>manga Black hates everything and is literally coldsteel

>More manga vs anime memes

Whatever, show me your favorite panel, anons

>I accept your concession

Shouldn't you be in school or something? Or is this early recess?

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>due to Goku's blood

So headcanon, ok

>No argument

Again, I accept your concession

> I said generic vs cocky

user...

Whatever kid. Make sure your parents don't catch you skipping

You're literally retarded

Stop trying to pretend you paid attention.

> SS Black losing to SS2 Vegeta is stupid

It was actually SS2 Black losing to SS2 Vegeta

Is SS2 vs SSB

How can you be retard

>up, Black before reach his rosé form
>down, Black after reach his rosé form

Yeah, I wonder why one is more worried than the other, retard

even though user got the wrong pic.
doesnt change the fact that vegeta ssj2 was toying with black ssj2.

Will Goku and Vegeta ever surpass Beerus?

>1 random line
>H-he acts different because of Goku's blood!

That's like asking if Ash is going to win a league

>down, Black taking a loss with dignity
>up, Black losing like a little bitch

Mods need to b& these manga vs anime shitposters.

It was still right before Future Zamasu arrives. So it'a about the same point in the arc

this shit makes no sense.
trunks ssj2 was already above goku's ssj2 and at full power equal to goku's ssj3. so why the fuck is vegeta ssj2 so much more powerful then goku's.
I know vegeta ssj2 surpassed goku's ssj3 in BOG but black base was mocking trunks ssj2. so black ssj2 should be able to put up a much better fight. also trunks commented that black became stronger yet he got his ass kicked like a saibaman

Are you stupid?

SS2 Vegeta was wrecking SS(2) Black. SSB was just to humiliate him

Try reporting them. It's the only thing we can do about this.

If they don't even surpass the purple kitty how are they going to be useful against Grand Priest and his master plan?

Anime Black is best boy.
Manga Black is shit boy.

Done and done. It's usually the same faggots every thread who deliver nothing new to the table. Reported.

>gets worried when he sees Vegeta and Goku
So Black isn't retarded and realize there's problems with his zero ningen plan? How is that a bad thing?

>went to the future because he was a pussyfuck afraid of Beerus
Both Zamasu did, user, manga and anime one, because Beerus is stronger than him.

>doesn't figure out the situation without Goku and Vegeta spoonfeeding everything to him
Except Black realize those Goku and Vegeta aren't the natives from Trunks' timeline also later he asks Vegeta about their timeline, so yeah, he knows they went from another parallel world, why you lying, faggot?

>breaks down after Vegeta kicks his ass
Wow... A Zamasu encarnacion being mad because a ningen kick his ass? Impossible...!

tien stalling semi perfect cell will always be the greatest inconsistent crap of the entire series.

>random line
You must be baiting

>Trunks SSJ2 is equal to Goku's SSJ3

This is stupid as fuck and shouldn't happen.
SSJ3 is 4x SSJ2 at base, and a Saiyan's literal limit-breaker that draws their full potential. Anything equaling it is bad.
Toyotaro has had fucking A W F U L power-scaling in the FTrunks arc.

>down, Black taking a loss against a SS2
>up, Black taking a loss against a SSB

Wow, SSB Vegeta is thousands times stronger than SS2 Goku, incredible!


Not an argument. At that moment anime-Black have his god form, unlike manga-Black.

because this makes more sense?

>it's good because it validates something bad that shouldn't exist in the first place

You're not selling me here

Maybe Trunks will defeat Zamasu in a totally different way in the manga. Still using his sword but with some different power up.

black base losing to goku ssj2> black ssj2 being tossed by vegeta ssj2/ssblue.

the moment toyotaro wrote trunks ssj2= goku ssj3 I knew he would eventually fuck it up and make an inconsistent mess out of it.

Young Trunks(and Goten) have far more potential than Future Trunks, too. They were going super saiyan as a game while the others had to struggle to reach that. It's funny how outclassed Goku and Vegeta would be if the kids actually trained.

Wait, why aren't Goten and Trunks still training? You just see them putz around anymore and maybe see Trunks blushing over Mai. They're not like Gohan, they actually like training and having adventures. So I don't get why they quit.

>Black, taking a loss against an SSB with dignity and improving himself to match his strength
> Black losing like a little bitch against an SSB

> Existing form being stupidly powerful makes more sense than a new form

> Implying SS Rage will be anime-exclusive anyway

>Wow, SSB Vegeta is thousands times stronger than SS2 Goku, incredible

SS(2) Black was getting his ass handed to him by even SS2 Vegeta