Why are americans against free healthcare?
>Because we can't tell doctors to work for free!
They wouldn't work for free, they would be paid by a public organization, just like how Teachers, police officers, firemen and other workers are.
>I don't want to pay for someone's accident!
But you're willing to pay for welfare? It's not like you're suddenly going to be charged for a 20,000 bucks surgery some fatso recieved.
I don't understand, USA
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Because we saw how it works in Mexico.
classy as ever, my northern brother.
But you're closer to us healthcare wise than other countries with free healthcare.
>free
You keep implying that magical free shit rains from the sky. Someone has to pay for it. And guess what it's you. When Chinese, Mexicans, Canadians, Scandinavians has a terminal illness, they don't run to their """free""" healthcare. Guess where they run too?
Call it universal healthcare, i don't care, the point is not paying for a broken leg when you fall off your stairs.
And we do tun for our free healthcare, you think these hospitals don't treat cancer, HIV, tuberculosis, diabetes and any kind of patients?
Sure, there's limits to what universal healthcare can achieve, but not everyone can afford to pay a private physician.
Just fucking stop. I have LEAF relatives that died because they had to wait months for a very simple surgery. I know you know your country is shit. Just swallow the Redpill and embrace the free market.
>I have LEAF relatives that died because they had to wait months for a very simple surgery
If they were so poor why didn't you help them pay the surgery? fucking disgusting.
But wait... I thought it was free?
Healthcare is free in the UK and is thoroughly abused by immigrants, hell we even have healthcare tourists rolling up here from other countries to be treated, all at the working British guys expense. The sooner we privatise the NHS the better.
I would accept free health care if the government threw out every nigger and beaner/latino
Also we have to make sure immigration is top tier
>free healthcare
its not free, the working class who have healthcare already pays for the poor people to overuse healthcare without paying.
>pay an insurer
not free
>pay the government
suddenly becomes free
this
Oooh gottem.
Yes, yes we do
>Why are americans against free healthcare?
its not free, its tax funded.
That aside "free" healthcare is good until you think about how it will affect taxation.
I know dental care in my country took a massive dive and had waits for several months during 2015 because of the migrant crisis
So while it is good to have free healthcare for productive individuals its not gonna end well unless you restrict access somehow
>But you're willing to pay for welfare?
Wellfare needs to be changed, western survival depends on it
Shit man, it's free, but I'd look for help in other places if i was about to die, even if it meant being on debt for a couple of years.
American healthcare is 100% fine unless you're unemployed.
NHS is shit.
Is anything expected to change regarding your nation's healthcare post-brexit?
Also, it seems like privatization is a hot topic on the NHS. Why is that? You never hear about it on other western european nations.
The only reason US has dominated the medical reaseach and majority of medical tech we use today come from there is the fact that doctors and paid by private sector. US is literally the only country truly pushing the medical reaseach forward, while the rest of the world is being dragged behind leeching off their inventions. Whole branches of modern medicine like cardiac surgery or invasive radiology has been created exclusively in america from the scratch. Public healthcare is stagnat, uncompetetive and ever-involved in political wars. That being said, US do need a medical reform that will further free it from any sort of lobby-induced governmental interventions that artificially keep the prices higher than they should be.
Source: I am physician in Poland.
Our government is too inept to reliably do even the simplest task efficiently.
We literally cannot trust them to oversee something as costly as free healthcare.
I'd argue that asia (especially japan and india) aswell as europe are big contributors to medical research in their own countries.
But I agree that pharmaceutical companies are pushing research farther because the demand exists.
I've always believed countries,especially policticians should prioritize on health over anything else, simply for the benefit of humanity as a whole. Although countries probably can't run with health alone.
i'm not willing to pay for welfare either. its literal slavery of the able.
moreover, socialized healthcare is so degenerate that doctors are often mandated to work later in the program as demand skyrockets, so again literal slavery
initial estimates always come from a baseline of people who don't have healthcare. when people suddenly get insured, the first thing they do is go out and get as much unnecessary shit as possible. its a tragedy of the commons thing.
what's more is that its dysgenic, so healthy populations have to pay for the maintainance of unhealthy populations (obamacare was for niggers just like snap is for mexicans). it would maaaybe work in an ethnat scenario, but even then it has problems. by its nature it becomes more expensive over time and never pays for itself.
like any socialism its missing a positive check without which it ends up being parasite-farming. if there were a sterilization program that went with it, that might work.
Because brainwashed american republicans just blindly oppose everything that' considered leftist viewpoints
Just bend the knee already
Wrong. Back to politicalhumor reddit plz
If anything it's British tourists the ones that come here and take advantage of our healthcare. But that won't happen anymore thanks to brexit.
Universal healthcare doesn’t scale up well for a nation as large as the US. Canada has most of its population densely clustered at the border so transportation and service redundancies can be mitigated.
Euros and other undesirables don’t understand how large the US is. Think of Montana. Montana is about as large as France but has about a million or so people living there. To provide no cost MRI access to everybody in Montana, you’d have to either transport single individuals over large distances to a population center or build more hospitals spread throughout the state to lessen transport. Either way, it’s a question of density versus cost and those values aren’t uniform over the nation. Where Sweden or Denmark are small, mostly homogenous nations with dense population centers, equivalently sized US states can either be very population dense (Massachusetts roughly analogous to Denmark) or sparse (West Virginia roughly analogous to Sweden).
I’m pro universal healthcare btw, provided of course we deport all the nonwhites.
It's true tho, you are just against it because leftist are for it, same with climate change and your inexplicable love for Israel.
Its the same shit. You just pay for your medical shit on a different paper called taxes. I cant understand how people still argue about this shit. Its stupid.
>free
There’s that word you don’t understand again
>welfare
To be honest like 70% of people on welfare should be cut off and allowed to expire on the streets. So no
healthcare is not free, stop being duped by simple english.
You pay for that shit, call it what it is, socialized healthcare, not free.
>universal healthcare provided non-whites excluded
also eugenics need to be included
There's nothing free in this world OP.
No such thing as free health care.
because Mr and Mrs Burger dont want to pay to have bullets removed from you drug mules.
>Why are americans against free healthcare?
>free
Doctors don't work for free, son.
Nothing is free taco fag. Burgers like myself have worked our asses off to make a good living and are already taxed to death. I dont a single fucking dime taken away from my family to pay for a bunch of deadbeats to have “free” healthcare. I would rather they all just die honestly.
But from an economic perspective is is more efficient because a universal system means everyone, sick and healthy, old and young, is in the same and larger insurance poll. Risk is distrusted more effectively and efficiently. And because health care is an inelastic good, the price regulation created by a single insurer means there no gouging. Profits are gaurenteed, but there’s no elipens suddenly jacked from $20 to $500. in terms of innovation, Americans argue that companies create teaser has and development. But if you look at the stats, that’s BS. The majority of pharma expenditures go to marketing and almost All major drug and surgical breakthoughs come from universities and reasearch hospital using public funds .. then licences to,private industry for commercialization. There’s little risk taking in The US Health industry. So, yeah, everyone pays. But American pay more, for less. And unless you’re rich, you’re getting worse health care.
>Free
Because everything that our government takes control over becomes much worse. See education.
Because it's a form of weather distribution, which is unethical. Do they have ethics in your country?
We have too many parasites from Mexico as it is
Except politicians -- The US Congress has it's own insurance program, special doctors and their own little pharmacy that delivers right to their office door ... or the US military that has service-to-death health care and top notch insurance for those who worked for the military only two years ... or government workers who get government healthcare which is far cheaper (thanks to tax dollars) than that which the private sector workers get.
The problem with universal anything is people in power game the system. The best defense against government graft is permitting everyone to be responsible for their own health care.
Frankly, I"m tired of paying for lazy, government "workers" with their long vacations, gazillion holidays, bloated salaries, expensive perquisites and ridiculous pensions. Those overpaid lards can pay their own way ... like the rest of us.
You're right -- not everyone can pay for top-notch quality care. This should be an incentive to them to work harder and save for emergencies.
Let charity make up for those who can't afford health care. It worked in the past and will work again if the incompetent government would get out of the way.
Only Golden Shower Communism is acceptable communism.
The dictatorship of the 44% is Freedom (TM).
Canadian here, I have only one thing to say: PAY
Why is the cost of basic medical treatment so high in the US? 1000 dollars for a shitty X-ray? Really?
It costs more to take an X-ray and put a cast on than you faggots make in a month or two.
>Without health insurance, diagnosis and treatment for a broken hand typically includes the cost of the X-ray, a facility fee and a doctor fee for a typical total of $6,000 or more for non-surgical treatment and from $7,000 to $15,000 or more if surgery is required. A hand X-ray costs an average of $180, according to NewChoiceHealth.com[1] , but some providers charge $1,000 or more. Non-surgical treatment of a broken hand costs $4,100 to $5,100, not including the doctor fee, and surgical treatment costs $5,800 to $13,700, not including the doctor fee, according to Saint Elizabeth Regional Medical Center[2] in Lincoln, Nebraska. A typical doctor fee for non-surgical treatment of a fracture would include $90 to $200 for an office visit and could also include $250 to $950 for a procedure, such as realignment, or $2,000 or more for surgery, according to Carolina Orthopaedic Surgery Associates[3] .
Good. Socialized anything -- education, health care, welfare -- only works if citizens have shared values. The guy who gets sick, but eats like me and works as hard as I do, has my sympathy, but the guy who gets sick from sex-diseases, obesity, or smoking, and hasn't bothered working hard to help himself can suffer the consequences of his behavior.
Universal, government provided services are on their way out, because culturally homogeneous societies are also on their way out.
You can't have immigration from places unlike your own country's core values and expect the citizenry to support expensive social programs. Sooner or later, it will be each person for himself.
because it's not free, frijolero
Not willing to pay for welfare you dumb monkey. People don't have a choice unless they want to go to jail for tax evasion.
They don't even know how it works.
The money has to come from somewhere to fund it, and that is the issue here. It is the common taxpayer who foots the bill, see the NHS and how it is funded.
Government isn't some magical piggy bank that never runs dry. Printing more money devalues the currency and leads to inflation.
Because we are taxed enough as it is dor shit will will never see. No one under 40 is getting social security even though it was being paid into.
Our government is corrupt as hell and I dont want to see it add another layer to it. It isnt about paying doctors, it is about paying more bureaucrats.
Why don't Americans want subsidize a bunch of trailer trash, drug addicts, EBT holders, single mothers, NEET's and Niggers healthcare even more than they already do? You know OP, I don't think I'll ever know - it just seems like a genius idea paying out insurance to a nation of 350 million, where someone is cashing out money 24/7.
Source??
Being so retarded you think this is how Americans think healthcare works. The difference between Americans and other nations is that America became the greatest nation by being built on a hard work + personal responsibility mentality
>Be freshman college student who wants to help people and medical field seems enticing
>Gets pre-med bachelor's $40-80,000.00
>Has to get Master's after another $80,000+
>wants to be a surgeon so has to get PhD to specialize
>Gets PhD to specialize in heart surgery, pediatrics, neural surgery $90,000+
>Comes out of school after sacrificing 8-10 years of his/her life to nothing but study and practice to be the most knowledgeable/adept/competent surgeon in their field with $300,000+ in college debt ready to do some good for the world
State steps in and mandates Mr./Mrs. heart surgeon is only allowed to make $60,000.00/year now pre-tax.
>College freshman looks at the numbers, the salary, the time involved, the eventual pay-off (which is none). Thinks to his/herself "Nah, I'll just go learn computers or art or something."
>The average socialist/commie dipshit thinks this will actually increase the quality of care/survivability during surgery/services provided by a hospital
Isn't "free" healthcare great everyone? Not only does it drive down the incentive to even enter the medical field at all, but it drives your quality of care into the ground as well because fuck it at least millions of useless niggers now get free back surgery.
>There's a very real and obvious reason that people pay to come from other countries to the US to get major surgeries.
In NYC, the homeless get better healthcare than your average insured salaryman.
American healthcare is the best in the world. Not even an exaggeration. That's why we have morbidly obese citizens living well into their 80s and 90s. We are at the height of advanced medical technology, science and research.
That doesn't come cheap. Now compare that with, say, Canada's "free" healthcare. First, you are paying an additional 20% of your paycheck (on average) for healthcare. Second, you are getting second-rate healthcare if you cannot afford a private healthcare insurance; public healthcare systems are notoriously terrible. Third, you must wait in line, despite your ailment. If you broke your leg, there is no more urgency than someone needing a flu shot and no less urgency than someone who had a heart attack.
America has highly stringent standards; hospitals lose money for longer wait times or poorer quality outcomes (i.e. high mortality rates, high readmission rates, and high healthcare-associated conditions and infections rates can cause up to a combined 7% reduction in revenue; for a multi-million dollar company, you're talking millions in fines).
So while socialized healthcare exists, it's a terrible system that cannot be done correctly in a country with high standards and advanced technology like America.
You don't seem to understand much of anything. No one wants to pay for welfare. No one wants to pay for subsidized health insurance. No one wants to see these shitty threads. Go fight for your right to medically assisted suicide and do us all a favor, EU trog.
Health care is expensive because the government deliberately made it expensive.
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>But you're willing to pay for welfare?
No. I'm forced to pay for it.
White people pay the most taxes and by far receive the least from taxes. When anything is made "free" what is really happening is that the tax burden upon whites rises significantly while the tax burden on non-whites barely increases.
Likewise, the public sector is known for being wildly inefficient in the provision of goods and services. Because the consumers of the product of public goods and services have no choice but to buy those products, the public sector has no incentive to actually provide a quality product at a low price. They can charge whatever they want and they don't have to worry about a competitor coming in and undercutting them or generating a better product because their customers can't not pay.