Director of the Japan Animation Creators Association, Osamu Yamasaki, Discusses Anime Industry's Working Conditions
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desk fee? desk fee? wtf is that?
i wish they treat animators better than maybe we would get better anime.
"Maybe the anime industry needs to create a new business model" - I've heard this so many times, just do something about don't talk only.
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>desk fee? wtf is that?
The inbetween animators have to pay a fee to work at the studio. It's a roundabout way of the studio telling the animator to get good enough to pass the key animator test or quit.
>i wish they treat animators better than maybe we would get better anime.
No you wouldn't because your regular animator isn't the one deciding to adapt run-of-the-mill LN/manga or inserting elements that are designed to pander to the lowest common denominator tastes.
>Jap animator is worst job on the planet
So its nothing new or interesting.
>Maybe the anime industry needs to create a new business model
Why does it have to be the entire industry, why couldnt 1 studio do it?
I hope the working conditions improve. It genuinely makes me sad when I watch anime that I know was produced by a company who likely doesn't treat and/or pay its animators well. The only two companies I know of that actually treat and pay their animators well are KyoAnus and MAPPA. Production IG might as well but I'm not sure.
Organisations are only as good as the management allows them to be. It's the reality of hierarchical relations.
One studio already did, they're called Kyoani
Better pay, fewer hours, more in house work, and the best animation in the business
>animation
But all they make is SoL moetrash and yuribait.
>people working in a highly competitive, labor of love dream job tend to be paid poorly
WHOA WHAT! You mean I can't make a living being a fucking ice cream taster?
Apparently KyoAni gets a shit ton of job applications because of that. Maybe if other companies got their head out of their asses they'd be able to realize that treating their animators like slaves only produces shit content.
And all the money they waste on animators means they can't afford any decent properties to adapt, or directors who know what they're doing, and they've gone from one of the best studios in the business to the absolute worst in barely 5 years.
Source?
Why don't they just follow KyoAni's business model
>Paid more than average
>Strict rules to not overwork
>Most production remains in-house
>Have their own franchises
>Not in Tokyo
Nip twitter.
They're also the only ones who make decent anime nowadays.
Animators are just crybabies.
>draw cute girls
>get good pay
>get treated like a human
Of course they get tons of applications, I doubt there are many other jobs as nice as this if you can draw.
Not surprised it's super competitive to get into Kyoani with their good work conditions.
>One studio already did, they're called Kyoani
And its anime taste like shit.
You work at a shit job and you produce a shit product, wow big surprise.
lol
>have expert staff only
>have a school to train new staff
They don't need to make the same type of shows, just follow their business model. But no one dares to step out of their comfort zone of having stable contractual work and little to no financial risks.
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>The only two companies I know of that actually treat and pay their animators well are KyoAnus and MAPPA.
>KyoAni also happen to make the best anime
Really makes you think
>desk fee? desk fee? wtf is that?
>lol
Kill yourselves.
I meant the animation would improve. And with that sentence I didn't mean it to sound that current anime is bad concept and story wise. I miswrote it.
more work less talk, the white man is waiting for his animated waifus
>maybe we would get better anime.
>I meant the animation would improve.
you are a fucking retard
Only Kyoani was brave enough to buck the trend and go full inhouse for production. Other studios were too afraid of the risk. It's sad to see such cowardice from a people descended from samurai
KyoAni had a couple of huge successes in a row.
They were swimming in cash and invested wisely.
It's pretty damn obvious that the anime industry is going to sink pretty badly as soon as the old skilled people retired from animation. The only ones who are going to be remaining all those who were fortunate enough to work in good studios that treat them like human beings. All these anime that are getting produced are eventually going to be reduced because their won't be enough talent around to deal with the demand of producing these shows.
>not be in Tokyo
fixes most of their money problems
>no one wants to do anything
>no one cares
Sounds familiar. Most jobs are like that.
Shaft was swimming in cash but werent they then Tied to Aniplex forever?
It's still a fucking stupid concept.
Someone is in a bad mood.
>profits are going down
But I thought the foreign streaming was making up for the disc sales falling?
I'm no kyoani shill, and it's true that ever since the shitshow that was Kyoukai no Kanata they've adapted some truly terrible shit (Brilliant Park, Phantom World), but Hibike is one of the best shows they've made in years.
The studios aren't getting shit regardless of how much profit comes from overseas so it doesn't improve anything in regards to their lives. The money goes directly to the companies that license off the anime to the streaming websites.
b8
what a qt i wanna lock her in a room and make her draw hentai all day
It's clear now shaft was never swimming in cash even after Madoka, it was all going to Aniplex. How else do you explain shaft never improving their conditions or not even upgrading their offices
Me too
>people still believe this
Will Shaft ever leave its comfort zone?
I don't like the subjects or premises for most of their shows but they do some beautiful work. I often catch myself thinking "this would be perfect if it was animated by KyoAni". It's a shame they're stuck on boring high school settings like most other studios.
Remember how American animation companies started paying better and the industry flourished?
Oh wait, they outsourced all the inbetweening to Korea because its too expensive to hire Americans, or outright shut their 2d studios down.
>Oh wait, they outsourced all the inbetweening
And their animation industry is dead.
Are you looking forward to Maidragon and Violet Evergarden then?
Cause you need balls and money. Kyoani too risks and it paid off. Other studios are too scared to do it because it could ruin them, and others are too busy trying to survive.
KyoAni makes some pretty anime, but it's definitely not all good. And the prettiest are generally funded heavily by Kadokawa so there's money to pay everyone well (See Hyouka).
Possibilities are limitless
>chair fee if you want to sit at work
>desk fee if you want a desk
>lamp fee if you want some lights in your room
>room fee if you want your own room
>pen fee if you want to do something at work
>door fee if you want to get in
>walking fee
>airbreathing fee
>fee if you want a job
>pay fee, unless you want to work for free
I wonder what IP KyoAni will buy next since Koe no Katachi was a success
Maidragon not so much, but Violet Evergarden yes. I hope the anime can live up to the hype of the PV. It was absolutely gorgeous.
>Animator dies from overwork.
>Nobody wants to talk about it.
What the fuck kind of work place do they have going on in Japan? That shit sounds like A-rank news.
It was an A-1 employee who died so Aniplex covered it up
Look up black companies, the shit that happened to Arata in ReLife also occurs irl.
This is all Bahi JD's fault. That fucking socialist poo. Sakuga is a fucking mistake.
>have to pay a fee to work
dude what the hell
Same, I hope it lives up to the hype and does well, maybe the non high school trend will continue.
If we made a virginity fee on Sup Forums, Hiro would be swimming in cash.
I know he isn't the only one. I'm pretty sure another incident was reported about animator dying from the same thing as well.
>It's a roundabout way of the studio telling the animator to get good enough to pass the key animator test or quit.
no user,
to me that sounds like a roundabout way to pay animators low wages without technically violating minimum wage laws.
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Add to that P.A Works and White Fox.
Former tries to take in-betweeners and actually pay them an sustainable amount
Latter recently opened an in-house animation school to educate a new generation of animators
This episode aired over ten years ago.
Those kind of work conditions and OT are going to come back and bite the shit out of the companies and Japan at a later time.
So?
The bad conditions were introduced by Tezuka, several decades ago.
None of this is news.
That is not what the crunchy roll creator says. I'm more inclined to believe him that some random user says.
PA Works pay their in betweeners like shit though. However they do try to have a good in-house staff.
>virginity fee
But I'm not a virgin. I took two, though.
>That is not what the crunchy roll creator says
judging by the AKA thing he did years ago, he either is stupid or acts stupid when confronted with things, so I'll take what he says with a grain of salt.
Probably not a good one if they have their own term for it.
Not him but source? I've seen crunchyroll higher ups being very stupid on twitter before.
Why don't you start reading on what the animators actually say about their conditions and on if that actually affect their lives.
Yeah yeah, and the ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves over 4000 years ago, smartass. None of that is news either but sometimes people could use a little perspective.
Good move user there's diminishing returns on the cherry popping fee so it will only be increased by 180%.
SHAFT swimming in money just goes to Shinbo. It's strange to think powerpoint slideshows take immense animator man-hours.
Sunrise, too, sunrise execs make bank off fujoshi.
SHAFT isn't swimming in money
It would only be fair if the fee applied to non-virgins, with the massive normalfag influx as of late he'd probably end up making even more money that way while the people who actually belong reap the benefits of free posting.
>the ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves
No, they were not.
The Egyptians used skilled labor, and paid them well.
How does that disprove the idea that streaming isn't making up for the huge loss of late night anime BD revenue? (And before you post that fucking chart, realize thats for animation in general, and late night is a small chunk of it.)
Completely missing the point, moron. Slave labor's been around as long as labor has. That is a long ass time.
>the ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves over 4000 years ago
That's just propaganda the Jews fed you. It's well known and fully established that the pyramids weren't made by slaves while the Egyptians stood their swinging their whips around.
No, Egypt didn't use slaves. Try again.
>streaming isn't making up for the huge loss of late night anime BD revenue?
That has nothing to do with anything.
Studios are contractors. Other than KyoAni, they don't have the rights to their shows. It doesn't matter how much it sells after the fact or how much it is streamed, the studio does not get any of that profit directly.
They get better contracts when word gets around the studio makes anime that sell well.
And they can get some money out of merchandise.
>Ancient pyramids were built by overworked slaves.
How fucking stupid are you in the history department?
Humanity and it's history is a mistake.
Also SHAFT has less than a hundred employees, including people who don't work on animation. SHAFT like most studios work as an outsourcer as well. In this industry, everyone 'helps' everyone, except for Kyoani, they don't work for or outsource to other Japanese animation companies.
>Slave labor's been around as long as labor has.
Correct.
And if you pointed me to a statistic that says that a particular group of people was paid badly 10 years ago, when their strife began much earlier, I would tell you that you are "completely missing the point", as you phrased it.
It's not a recent development. It's one of the foundations of the industry, and the only reason we've gotten TV shows.
You're thinking like an artist, not a business.
Most of these companies just want to make a quick buck and sell some merchandise. There's no incentive to treat your workers better when applicants outnumber the openings so drastically.
>it's
*its
Ftfy.
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They shut them down because they weren't ultra profitable. If you can have some North Korean slave make the next Little Mermaid, then why not? Who cares if it's good, they just want to sell lunchboxes.
Technically that sort of thing is illegal in the US, but there are exceptions and loopholes.
A lot of people work for black companies. Basically, if you don't graduate from the three top universities, Todai and co., and make sure to secure employment before graduation, you probably can't get work at anywhere other than a black company. You do everything they ask or you're gone forever and blacklisted from working with them or any other black company ever again. Also no good company is interested in hiring you. This is how a lot of those people living in internet cafes turn out. They just quit, and work a bunch of part time jobs since it's still better. You're only real option from that point is to start your own company. Even with the good companies, you're still expected to work long hours, but the government scrutinizes them more often and the companies themselves have been trying to reduce overwork and provide a better work life balance. Basically, don't work for at a Japanese company if you can help it. Also, a lot of these jobs are moving to Korea, where long hours are just as common as they used to be in Japan a few decades ago. It's also a major part of why good foreign language instruction isn't a priority by the government. Elevens with good English or other language skills would be much more employable by foreign companies, making it harder for Japanese companies to overwork their employees. Working for an American company in Japan is so much better than working for a Japanese company in Japan. The lack of language skills prevents most of them from working abroad and potentially immigrating (brain drain, tax loss, etc.) unlike many of the more skilled Europeans who do move to the US and elsewhere. Ironically, a lot of their best engineers are getting scooped up by Korea with huge salary increases, great benefits, personal drivers, personal secretaries, etc. But basically, it sucks to work for a Japanese company.
Later? Working conditions in Japan have been a huge problem for them for decades. It's been a noticeable problem on their economy since the 90s, but the government and culture are unwilling to make meaningful change.
What most businessmen fail to realise is that the better the product, the greater degree of confidence your consumers have in you. That, in turn, leads to more sales in the long-term when it comes to making future IPs or sequels.
All I said was "this was ten years ago." I was not incorrect. But you still want to sound like a knowitall fagggot even though we agree completely. Shit like this is exactly why nobody likes you, you know.
>All I said was "this was ten years ago." I was not incorrect.
And I didn't say you were incorrect. I just told you that your post missed the scope of things.
Why are you sperging out about this so much?
They realize that, but most companies are focused on quarterly earnings reports to keep the stock up. You have to keep the investors happy or you can lose your job or get bought out in a hostile take over.
Plus you're assuming that the bar to keep your customers is high: it's not. People love shit and eat it gladly. Don't believe me? Look around you see how many threads are devoted towards garbage.
Why are you asking me why I'm sperging out while you're going on a frenzied autistic rampage? I am missing no scope whatsoever, this whole thing could've started the very day the first anime did, and if I had a screenshot of that I would post it, but I don't so I posted Shuffle! instead. Stop being such an idiot.