"Libertarianism will win eventually because it and only it is compatible with the nature of man and of the world. Only liberty can achieve man’s prosperity, fulfillment, and happiness. In short, libertarianism will win because it is true, because it is the correct policy for mankind, and truth will eventually win out"
This is a thread for the discussion of all ideologies that promote self-ownership, individual liberty and the natural order.
THREAD RESOURCES: >Pastebin: pastebin.com/iT0Rw8PT >Discord & Book Club: AbGmGWH
RECOMMENDED READING: >The Law (Frederic Bastiat) - mises.org/library/law >Anatomy of the State (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org/library/anatomy-state >For a New Liberty (Murray Rothbard) - mises.org/library/new-liberty-libertarian-manifesto >Democracy: The God that Failed (Hans Hermann-Hoppe) - riosmauricio.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Hoppe_Democracy_The_God_That_Failed.pdf
FURTHER READING: >Reference - See i.imgur.com/wCIpgNA.jpg >Torrent - magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8d8ec6ef882dee291f119eb69994797574e5d616&dn=Anarcho-Capitalism%20Books
THREAD TUNES: >hoppewave | Hans-Hermann Hoppe | physical removal - youtube.com/watch?v=LP41IK91_qA >Against the State - (Hoppewave Hans Hermann Hoppe) - youtube.com/watch?v=HLaqr3QorCw >I need a Pinochet! - youtube.com/watch?v=zhrYY3ocQ5o >Drop it like it's Hoppe - youtube.com/watch?v=HPKGgo4kGQM
Get out. You are no longer welcome in /lrg/ or its Discord server
Leo Rodriguez
Do you have the three page version?
Austin Gomez
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Jaxson Young
libertarian and right used to be the opposite sides i miss those days
t. reactionary
Matthew Clark
Libertarian dogs, get out of the way of TRUE freedom.
Hudson Collins
No, but I have the third page.
John Brooks
How can the ends of perpendicular axes be "opposite sides" to one another?
Adam Torres
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David Jackson
faggotgay
Henry Johnson
You swallowed the hook pal. I'm not the last guy
Evan Carter
Wasn't Cycle.
Jonathan Jackson
>being totally enslaved by the state is true freedom
Why do you people even exist?
Jace Nelson
NEETSOCS get the bullet too
Aiden Bennett
Bumped for truth I'm enjoying the libertarian threads
Carson Gutierrez
>libertarian >right
Jacob Price
>commies >right
lmao
Easton Collins
What are /lrg/ honest thoughts on fascism?
David Wilson
Better than socialism but still shitty.
Oliver Williams
Libertarianism is inevitable as our societies evolve more individuals will become intellectual rather than emotional.
It is an undeniable natural destination of society.
Bentley Cooper
>share goals they are polar opposites. fascism has nothing to do with utopian materialism
Liam King
Did Pinochet do anything wrong?
Kevin Gonzalez
christian values nuclear family and active local communities no commies
cannot be reached AND SUSTAINED trought coercion, theft, kidnapping and murdering trought the state (aka politics), without civil warmonguering, international warmonguering >inmoral >violent >arrogant >unexpected negative consequences (high taxation,fraudulent pensions system, expropiation of property and bussinesses, print money for the gov.) >can't be sustained >no limits to state growth
ancaps can share some goals, but the means to get there are radical opposites, one is retarded, the other perspective matchs how reality works; creative actions; entrepeneurial creativity, ie decentralizing problem solving = markets = private rules = private property = voluntary associations = cooperation
Jonathan Cooper
fascist goverments still have done massive fraud/theft/looting to their population to get whatever nonsense done
That's the basic foundations of any goverment, the means to do stupid shit are evil and dumb as fuck
Gavin Scott
any arguments besides unsourced claims
Brandon Myers
Once he had his little chat with Friedman, he was pretty good. I'm to understand he was an illiterate protectionist before then, however.
Ryder Brown
his only problem he wasn't free market enough
what year did the chicago boys go there and make his liberalize the market?
Jonathan Lewis
His wiki page says he decided on liberalization around 1975. Funny enough, that ends up being the lowest trough on the graph.
Robert Martin
most of the policies didn't get inplemented until the mid 80s though
either way he didn't liberalize that much because their copper industry was still nationalized
David Perez
yay /lrg/ time
Juan Butler
While this is true, the reason for it was that liberalism fundamentally wants to dissociate from the whatever the current reigning order is. If it's natural hierarchy and tradition liberals want the freedom to be secular and individualist, if its absolute degeneracy and nihilism liberals want the freedom to live without it polluting their lives. And yes liberal and libertarian can be used interchangeably in this sense.
Michael Lopez
>he doesnt understand the japanese and their reverence for the emperor and their hate of capitalism goes against everything libertarian this board makes me feel like a fukcing genuis from time to time. but i know im and idiot, you guys are just on another level
Nicholas Green
>implying libertarians wouldn't submit to the emperor
Alexander Morales
wtf
Christopher Martinez
im implying that yes
Julian Diaz
>hatred for capitalism even back then they embraced markets
Jordan Collins
well, we will see, but as it is now Right libertarians are the best allies, or would you prefer those cryptosocialists of the new right?
Brayden Price
I'm spanish
Nolan Campbell
FREE MARKET DESU
Easton Phillips
people in Europe doesn't think about capitalism as an absent of a system, they think it is an economical system with blueprints how to install and run it. so most of them just equals the term with degeneracy.
Alexander Powell
>882288 >but i know im and idiot >and idiot how?
Tyler Nelson
Please find the sources to the following claim: "2+2=4" Odd that you'd call us materialists when your shitty empiricism depends on material in the first place.
Carson Carter
>reverence for the emperor and their hate of capitalism Alright, I'll bite.
Can you show me proof that the japanese political majority, at any point in recent history, both revered the emperor and hated free markets?
Carter Adams
>they otoya was not your average jap, japanese society of the last decades is a disgrace youtu.be/jr-P8snKXcc libertarians are not "right" so?
Robert Rogers
>libertarians are not "right" yes we are
Liam Gomez
>libertarians are not "right" they are more right than every "right" wing movement in europe and not only on the economical part they are on the right way, just come more often to those threads, /lrg/ is good but I agree that your common libertarian needs to be deported.
Julian Stewart
Fascism has described itself as "third position". Since our ideology is the only one to take the laws of the universe, not the constructs of man, into consideration, we are the ones on the Right and have little concern for your socialist den of degeneracy.
Jace Roberts
Any libertarian who supports democracy is living in a contradiction. Since 99% of the population is just highly intelligent cattle, though, they'll bend to any system that is offered to them with force. Since we have an ethical justification for our expansionist policy, which is in line with the natural order, I see no problem in crushing those who would seek to undermine our efforts.
Brandon Green
>Since we have an ethical justification for our expansionist policy, which is in line with the natural order, I see no problem in crushing those who would seek to undermine our efforts. that's the spirit
Jayden Young
define recent please insisting that a revolutionary materialistic ideology is somehow reactionary is a bit absurd >laws of the universe individualism is the law of the universe, damn never knew that
Brayden Barnes
>Since our ideology is the only one to take the laws of the universe, not the constructs of man, into consideration *tips fedora*
James Lewis
>materialistic >muh materialism you sound like a commie
there's nothing wrong with materialism
Kevin Martin
1900 and later.
Aaron Powell
>individualism That's the vaguest term in the history of mankind. Anything that is not strictly defined should not be used in serious debate, and anyone relying on shifting their definitions is doomed to fail.
Jordan Jones
Not an argument Hah
Jace Brown
Someone explain to me how age of consent works in a Libertarian society? Who has the right to tell you not to have sex with a child?
Jaxon Torres
Not to burst your bubble, but if materialism was our goal, living like cattle under someone who could satisfy our wants would fit that definition. Utilitarianism must be exposed for the joke it is.
Logan Wood
you are the one thinking in a materialistic way, nobody of those guys is materialistic and if you weren't a materialist yourself you would see it. and to live your life to the fullest you have a natural desire for materialistic and spiritual needs to be fullfilled. alone the fact that you want to build a house and accumulate some capital for your future generation is on a way higher spiritual level than, screaming about muh materialism, muh capitalism, why should I care when I can always use the welfare state to pay for my degenerate offspring
Kevin Hughes
>Someone explain to me how age of consent works in a Libertarian society? like in europe before there were laws about it.
Brandon Green
If you need to have a gun held to your head to prevent you from diddling kids, your low personal quality would see you wiped off the face of the Earth through your own poor decisions.
Jayden Fisher
>materialistic ideology A free society generates low-time preferences, and thus people become less materialistic (less consumerism.)
Ryder Ross
>Libertarianism is the right choice because I believe it is the right choice.
1) Organized collectives > collection of individuals 2) More cohesive collectives > less cohesive collectives 3) Ethnically homogeneous collectives are more cohesive than non-ethnically homogeneous ones, and a foundation of ethnicity is the ONLY foundation that is guaranteed to be passed to the next generation. You can't guarantee that your children will share your philosophy, politics, interests, or anything else except your genes. 4) That said, a meritocracy within a homogeneous, cohesive collective that allows the most competent individuals to assume positions of leadership is obviously desirable.
Gavin Gonzalez
Before there were laws about it people did it and got away with it, especially if they were wealthy. Child prostitution was a bigger industry in London than in Thailand or Brazil.
Why would that be a good thing?
Henry Wright
You can also say, like in america before the jew funded feminists
Ayden Lee
fuck this server, they kick you for having opposing opinions
Samuel Mitchell
your entire thing isn't an argument
how is your ideology in line with the laws of the universe?
You sound like a batshit insane cultist
also there's nothing inherently wrong with materialism
Brayden Parker
kids cannot consent
Jeremiah Brown
I don't, but obviously a lot of people do, and I'm asking how Libertarian ideology deals with it.
Henry Butler
>living like cattle under someone who could satisfy our wants would fit that definition. No.
Also materialism isn't the goal.
Bentley Gomez
people still do it and get away with it especially if your wealth america is CURRENTLY know as the human trafficking hub now take into consideration what would happen upon aoc being abolished. children that go though that will have more visibility, thus more awareness, thus more help will come to them
Tyler Brown
>Before there were laws about it people did it and got away with it, especially if they were wealthy. >especially if they were wealthy. You know... like today?
Easton Evans
I agree, because of age of consent laws.
What prevents children being exploited sexually in a Libertarian society?
Luke Rodriguez
Hey fashbro!
Blake Cook
Here is the three page in one image
Ian Long
The NAP. Violation of said NAP may be met with swift force. Texas already does this. A man who killed his childs rapist was only given a couple of years. You are also allowed to freely kill a rapist in the middle of a rape to defend a person. Those who would diddle little kids would find themselves staring down the barrel of a gun. That
Nicholas Wilson
the problem with materialism is that you don't see anything spiritual with life, it sucks the color out of life, and is a short path to destruction. ancap is very spiritual when you consider its origins of greek philosophy, the idea that you should good for your city because you are a part of your city, and helping it is helping you. ergo, ancap is inherently esoteric
Isaiah Cooper
> people still do it and get away with it
Yeah but that's not an argument to decriminalise it, right?
> now take into consideration what would happen upon aoc being abolished. children that go though that will have more visibility, thus more awareness, thus more help will come to them
What "help"? If it's not a crime, how do you stop it? Vigilantism?
Abolishing age of consent just leads to child prostitution.
Noah Hernandez
Thanks, love this one
Jason James
>posts pictures of naked cartoon children >gets kicked yUo KiCkD mE fOr DifFerEnt OpiNiON
OP even stated degeneracy isn't allowed.
Ryan Long
Not everywhere, but it is a problem that should be addressed. That's still not an answer.
Connor Diaz
there would still be laws
age of consent would still exist
Evan King
What's your discord tag?
Levi Barnes
yes vigilantism freedom to good is also freedom to bad if the moral fiber of you city is so bunk that child prosittution gets you anything but lynched, you are already doomed >pic related
Thomas Morgan
communism is also materialistic. league of blood incident maybe a spiritual purpose has nothing to do with the material world, its sulflesness in its most pure form.
Charles Ward
>if the moral fiber of you city is so bunk that child prosittution gets you anything but lynched, you are already doomed soddom and ghomorra and we all know how it ended for them
Lucas Clark
are children people or property?
John Martinez
something a normal human can never archieve, peope who can, are born leaders or chosen by the stars your definition sounds like some new age commie garbage
Carter Hughes
By scaring off the spooks away from their children, and generally not raising their kids to be fucked in the head. Shame that's hate speech in Bongistan.
But if you go into someone's home to kill someone for raping their child, that person can just kill YOU, right?
I mean, you are just talking about defending someone from assault, which already exists.
What if the parent is the abuser, or permits the abuse?
It sounds like the answer to my question is, "people will kill paedophiles still"... which isn't an answer. The problem would get immeasurably worse.
Josiah Long
Why isn't it the goal? Is there anything wrong with it according to yourself?
Carson Richardson
If there are still laws, you need lawmakers which requires taxation. I mean you might not be against all taxation so fair enough.
Libs have argued for legalization of child abuse.
Joseph Jenkins
>Is there anything wrong with it according to yourself? That's like saying chocolate is the goal because chocolate is something that exists in a libertarian society.
You don't have to be a materialist consumer if you don't want to.
Jayden Wood
depending on their age, behaviour and their mental capabilities the modern western woman would not be considered a person in a free society
Julian Flores
>you need lawmakers which requires taxation no, look up what polycentric law is
Libs have argued for legalization of child abuse. Then they are sick fucks.
Christopher Stewart
So your answer is there would be zero protections for children in a Lib society. Just the freedom for people to kill one another if the suspect wrongdoing?
Do you have the right to enter someone's property to kill that person for having relations with a, say, 13 yo?
Isaiah Roberts
Why do you autists think libertarianism is any different from liberalism?