What is an effective first firearm for someone strapped on cash?

Sup /pol, what is a solid, reliable firearm for someone who still just getting by financially? I'm looking to spend max $700 or so. Both pistols and long-rifles have my interest, I mainly want one for home defense as I live in cuckold Los Angeles, however I will be going to the gunrange to practice for fun.

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classicfirearms.com/rock-island-1911-gi-45acp-5in-51429
classicfirearms.com/yugo-sks-semi-auto-762-39-original-condition-pti
cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=2490487&type=product&WT.z_btnclk=YMAL-2490487&WT.z_pg_ref=prd2490487
certguns.doj.ca.gov/
certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp
calgunsfoundation.org/roster
riflegear.com/p-1093-glock-17.aspx
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Get a used shotgun for $100

>Sup /pol, what is a solid, reliable firearm for someone who still just getting by financially?
Hi Point. Memes aside, they're fucking tanks, they're CA compliant, and-
>I'm looking to spend max $700 or so
Oh shit, nevermind. Get something good. You can afford it.

Beretta 92FS

haha I'm not really too educated on guns and their prices even though I've been shooting since I was 9 years old.

You will not get a good defensive rifle for that when you live in California.

Get this. classicfirearms.com/rock-island-1911-gi-45acp-5in-51429

You cannot buy it in 2018 as it becomes illegal to buy but not to own. (in CA most pistols are illegal to buy in 2018)

Leave Commiefornia, you're better than that shithole.

AR15 is by far the best home defense option but I don't know what those commie mongrels make you do to it to be legal.

This is a /k/ thread, saged.

if you really want a rifle for cheap in Cali, get an SKS
classicfirearms.com/yugo-sks-semi-auto-762-39-original-condition-pti

much more powerful than a pistol and you get away from all of the CA detachable mag/ pistol grip laws.

also they are accurate enough to do a bit o hunting, and battle proven.

> .45 AARP
> implying a heavy ass WWII era design is relevant

Terrible advice.

>700 to spend.

A rifle or a shotgun is your best bet, if you want it for home defense, a shotgun is the way to go. You can get a shotgun for around $300 no problem. Load it with BIRD shot for home defense, NOT buck. With your leftover $400 get a Taurus 9mm (assuming they are on the schedule).

You know this is a politics board, and there just so happens to be a board dedicated to this very thing, right?

This

What law is being implemented that says I won't be able to purchase a handgun in 2018? I've been trying to google but only have been getting results for backgrounds checks on purchasing ammo here which is still equally retarded.

Do not get a fucking SKS for home defense. With 700 dollars you can get a nice , new handgun of your choice, check out barretta, Sig, Smith and Wesson M&P, and Ruger LCP. Shoot at the range and see which one fits your ergonomics before buying one

Mosin nagant

it is in CA

in CA you cannot buy a handgun unless it is on the safe roster.

guns after a few years ago could NOT be added to the roster unless they had microstamping tech. (which does not exist.)

to make matters more interesting, guns expire off the list.

january 1st 2018 nearly all handguns that are not listed olympic pistols, or single action revolvers become illegal.

California also makes it hard to order ammo online soon. so getting your nice 9mm defensive stuff will be hard.

also you cannot have a mag over 10 rounds.

an 8rnd .45 acp that is still legal to buy and under around 400 is a good buy for a noob in cali.

elsewhere i would recomend a glock or a M&P9

and in 2018 i will be recommending bulgarian 9x18 Makarovs.


California is a hell hole.

cabelas.com/catalog/product.jsp?productId=2490487&type=product&WT.z_btnclk=YMAL-2490487&WT.z_pg_ref=prd2490487

The Mossman 930 semi-auto is on sale and would be pretty good, and as far as I'm aware it's CA compliant.

WRONG

you cannot get a nice new Sig for $700 in CA

Smith and Wesson M&P good gun, i have one.
but when you accoutn for CA taxes and transfer fees you will be over $700

Ruger LCP to small for 9mm except as a tiny carry gun, which he wont be doing in CA.


and dont forget he has to buy a gun on the roster before it expires.


(also an SKS is a higher likelyhood DRT than any pistol. futher he cannot have a pistol grip on the rifle, or a detachable mag for most rifles.)

>Sig
Where is this roster you speak of? Having a hard time finding it

Commiefornia complicates things. You have to think about eventual gun grabbing, so no AR style gun. For home defense (are you even allowed to defend your home?) I think a Mossberg 500 and some 8-pellet LE (law enforcement low recoil) shells. If you were thinking handgun, I say a Ruger GP100 4" barrel (double action six shooter) loaded with 38 special (I like wad cutters myself). The Ruger is heavy and it shoots .38 special like a .22 (very low felt recoil). After a few trips to the range the trigger gets like butter. Plus it will take log time before they ban wheel-guns and shotguns. They have to ban ARs first, then all centerfire semi-auto rifles, then semi-auto handguns, then semi-auto shotguns. I think bolt action rifles, pump action rifles, revolvers, and .22s will be safe for a long time though.

certguns.doj.ca.gov/

pay special attention to the expiration date.

certguns.doj.ca.gov/safeguns_resp.asp

probably a good semi-auto shotgun with an 18 inch barrel. grab a velcro sidesaddle, a sling, and find a good way to mount a light.

you'll look like a goof at the range with a shotgun (most indoor ranges won't let you use it with certain types of shot), but get competent with firing it. get fast at reloading it. get fast at reloading it under stress ( do as many jumping jacks as you can physically bear then practice reloading with dummy rounds). get competent and clearing malfunctions.

but yourself some good buckshot and you'll have yourself one of the most destructive small arms weapons a man can own.

these are the only GP-100s you can legally transfer (buy) in California

GP100 01757 / Stainless Steel
Revolver
5.5"
.22 LR
1/1/2018
GP100 01758 / Steel
Revolver
4.2"
.357 Magnum
1/1/2018
GP100 01761 / Stainless Steel
Revolver
3"
.44 Special
1/1/2018
GP100 Match Champion 01755 / Steel
Revolver
4.2"
.357 Magnum
1/1/2018

and they are all illegal to buy in less than a month

infact it looks like all of Ruger's pistols expire at the end of the year

Then shut up

Glock 19 and a Maverick 88

I would second an SKS or a good shotgun, but NOT a new 870. Go Mossberg 500/590 or a nice semi auto but stay away from new Remington. Both are in your price range and are more likely to incapacitate a home invader than a pistol.
Although if you're in a more urban area a shotgun should be your go to. Less chance of the rounds overpenetrating if you use buckshot vs 7.62x39. Most importantly, Train, Train, Train. Be the best you can be with your gun, whatever it is.

>GP100 01758 / Steel
>Revolver
>4.2"
>.357 Magnum
This would be my suggestion. As to "illegal" to buy, do you have some sauce to share on that? I have heard nothing of the kind.

Glock?
hmmm going to need to be a used one, and then before 2019

They all get renewed at the same time, dipshit.
Do you work for Turner's?

Ya I live in the city, lots of houses surrounding me. As much as I would love to have a tricked out ar-15 or sks, I think the rounds would go multiple blocks before stopping.

>With 700 dollars you can get a nice , new handgun
You can snag a perfectly reliable p-83 for $220. I'm convinced handgun manufacturers are shilling here to sell their shit, please go back to /k/.

Tell us why you didn't ask on fucking /k/ you slide threading nigger.

Slide threads about shit from other boards work very well for Shlomo.

WHY did you ask HERE, Jewnigger?

THIS IS NOT A FIREARM BOARD.

$700 will get you a high quality firearm. The only stuff you can't afford on that are fancy guns with limited practical use or meme guns you recognize from call of duty or battlefield.

If it's for defense, I say get a subcompact handgun. Something small but with a double stack magazine, like a glock 30 (.45) or the glock 20-something that's the 9mm version. It'll cost you somewhere in the neighborhood of $600-$650

Gen 3 glocks are readily available and still in production.
Manufacturers renew their shit all at once.

Handguns:
S&W Model 60
OR
Glock 30

Shotgun:
Mossberg 500
OR
Remmington 870

Semi-Auto Shotguns often have issues or are finnicky in regards to extraction and feeding. Meaning a pump is more reliable.

cause /k is cancer and /pol is the cure

Build an 80% lower. Polymer80 sells a nice kit.

Also, only faggots register their guns.

All of them expire off the list on January 1st 2018

i cant get the whole list in a screen shot

Find a used glock 17. They can be found in the 400-500 range around commiefornia but you will also always have take into account a variety of fees and taxes, which generally adds $100 to any firearm puchase.
You will also need to buy cleaning supplies and a case of ammo. Ideally you would have more than a few cases but that's really up to you.

Up your gun budget to 1.2k or more and you should be able to buy all these things before ammo prices start climbing next year.

Both are cancer. /k/ is brain cancer and Sup Forums colon cancer.

If you're already strapped, why do you need a gun?

>ar15 for home defense

Why? Your trying to kill one guy from just a few feet away in most circumstances, a shotgun or handgun would make way more sense.

Gotta keep penetration in mind, you'd be fucked if you shot a bad guy center mass and the bullet passed through him and hit the kid across the street while he's asleep in bed.

>Load it with BIRD shot for home defense, NOT buck.

no. load it with buck unless you're living in a shitty apartment with paper thin walls.

>What are hollow points

How fucking stupid are you?
They all get renewed on the same day.

This is a great option for calicucks

1. don't ask Sup Forums
2. While asking /k/ is better, remember half of them are COD retards who maybe own one gun
3. If you live in California you are completely fucked. Buy a pump action shotgun and practice. Best gun to own is an AR, but LOL CALIFORNIA.

I do have shitty dry walls throughout my entire home.

Ah the micro stamping cluster, and Ruger's not bothering to even re-apply for for the "safety" bullshit. That's too bad. Why ban guns when you can just "reasonably" restrict them to zero.

Well an AR with the right ammunition penetrates significantly less than 7.62x39, but it's dependent on several factors and not worth your time to bother with.
Also, don't be afraid of a 20 gauge if you're smaller than the average bear. You can still find plenty of 20 gauge loads and it's still going to be extremely effective on your target.

Jesus christ you're stupid.

I know that's why I wanted to ask /pol. On /k/ they're going to recommend an m249 with sleight of hand and deep impact perks on.

Any guns that fall off the roster have to use meme stamping technology to be put back on the roster.

Eventually the roster will shrink to no guns. Build an 80%. Piss in the eye of every Democrat by not registering your firearm or even paying any taxes on it.

It really isn't. Buying 7.62x39 brass is hard to come by compared to other calibers. California will require background checks on every ammo purchase starting Jan 1st 2018. You want to get a round that is easy to come by and can be reloaded if things get dire.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

Hi-point c9

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Glock neutered 10 round magazines don't reliably feed hollowpoints. This makes them a bad option for CA residents.

The best choices for an on roster, defensive handgun under $700 in CA are:

>HK P2000
>Beretta 92
>Sig SP2022
>Glock 26 (10 rounds is standard capacity so the mags will work normally)

Other options that are OK:

>Ruger GP100 if you really want a revolver
>S&W SD9VE if you're really on a budget
>One of the cheaper Springfield 1911s if you really want a 1911

>5/17/2013: CA law (AB 1471 – 2008) requiring “microstamping” for all semi-automatic handguns to be added to Roster enforced by CA Attorney General Kamala Harris (CA DOJ).

calgunsfoundation.org/roster

Build an 80%. Don't be a faggot.

Just buy 2000-5000 rounds of steel case off the internet. Unless you're arming the whole neighborhood you'll either be long dead in the first few days of the happening or the happening will have finished and shit will have returned to normal long before you've popped off that many rounds

Or you know, you would hopefully have killed someone else with more ammo or a gun that shoots 9mm or .223 by then, and you'd be set

Steel runs dirty and has harder primers than brass. Need to keep the barrel and firing pin canal on the bcg pristine or you'll get misfires and/or double feeds. Not disagreeing though. Buy a shit ton of steel for quantity. But still buy a lot of brass.

Did you want to contribute user, or do you just like calling folks stupid?

Also, if you're going to buy steel. Get brown bear. Lacquered casing helps a lot.

This is your off brand quality garbage.

Good for OP atleast he is not a soy boi

Horrible gun. But apparently lasts forever. Only problem is you'll always be suspected of every liquor store robbery that happens

It only applies to semi auto and Rugers are all gone a few years ago except for one that i can think of, LCP .380.
Same for S&W 4 models that i can think of.
They're going to keep those on the roster along with revolvers.

Glocks are pretty good. I miss my G17. It's a solid shooter and I like the reset very much. The trigger takes some practice to master and it can discourage a new shooter. As to defense, 9mm is fine though I'm sure I will be told that I'm a cuck and need 45 big bore only.

It's quality made and puts the 2nd amendment in the hands of the impoverished. Any remaining funds leave enough to stock up on a goodly amount of ammunition.

Gun stores are open today, call them.
The roster is renewed by a manufacturer on the same day.

I second this. A mosin-nagant may not be the most practical for home defense or to carry anywhere, but as an overall rifle it's very reliable, cheap, and simple.

For California (free states I have very different opinions) -
Pistol:
Get a .357 magnum revolver double/single action as a handgun
>recommend Ruger GP100
>.357 is a proven man stopper
>Get nice wooden grips so it looks more "old fashioned" in court

Rifle:
Get a lever action .357 magnum
>can achieve nearly same energy at muzzle of 30-30 / 7.62x39 with hot loaded ammo
>good brush hunting gun
>10 rounds in tube
>looks unassuming since it is an "old fashioned" gun. This is a huge benefit in court.
>Honestly the Rossi Winchester clones are pretty solid and cheap, you can take apart and polish the action with a dremel yourself

Shotgun:
Literally any of the major brand pump action shotguns.
>mossberg or remington
>get wood furniture to appear more "old fashioned"

Cool. You get to keep single shot and revolvers. While any semiautomatic hand gun still on the roster will be significantly more expensive than MSRP. Sounds like a gun ban.

On roster semi autos go for the same as they do anywhere else
Not on sale:
riflegear.com/p-1093-glock-17.aspx

I hope that's true. I also thought micro-stamping only applied to semi-autos, but who knows with commiefornia.

Who the hell wants to clean all that cosmoline?

You have to pay tax on guns purchased outside of California.
California gun dealers charge a markup for doing business in California (on top of taxes)

For free states:

Handgun:
CZ 75 SP-01 9mm
>It's just a pleasure to shoot, reliable, naturally pointing, has SA/DA flexibility, and a place for a light

Rifle:
No frills AR-15, nearly any non-poly brand is fine as long as you keep the damn bolt lubed
>maybe put a light on it
>runner up is a cheap AK, especially the folding models if you want something compact
>pretty much any AK is good to go

Shotgun:
Same as above. Rem 870 or Mossy 500 are just fine and proven.
>some people like semi-auto for shotguns. Semi-auto and rimmed cartridges with varying strength and weight ammo in general is a bit silly
>just learn how to cycle a shotgun currently and don't short stroke it.

CZs are the sexy. I have a 75B, love love love it.

Everyone and their cousin has an sp01. Total awesome firearm. Waiting list a mile long at most places though.

Glock 22, it's a .40 cal, packs a punch, you can get it for less than 700, either that or an M14 .308 semi auto magazine fed rifle. Second one can go pretty high, but you can get it used for around that I imagine.

get a 1911 in 45 acp. in a home situation you want stopping power more than capacity.