Saekano serious

When characters and plots in spin offs are much better than those of the main story, why do authors not consider incorporating them into the original?

Mayu is objectively a much better heroine than Megumi. She got all the good traits of Megumi and Eriri while also having better chemistry with the MC and more in common. Both are otaku, she's a lot more cheerful and she makes him less of a fag.

Also Koisuru Metronome is a much more entertaining story with Tomoya actually being more successful than in the main storyline (in Saenai he can barely keep his circle going while in Koisuru Metronome he's producing anime).

Are there other works where the spin off characters and story end up being better or more popular than those of the main story?

Mayu is almost lame as Megumi. What's make Metronome interesting is how pretentious can be Utaha.

If being an otaku was all Tomoya cared about in a girl he would've picked Eriri in the main series. It's obvious he values more.

Koisuru Metronome is fun because it avoids the lame love triangle drama of the main series.

He actually would choose Eriri instead of Megumi previous to volume 11. Eriri had already won the bowl in volume 6 but ruined her chances and even then Tomoya still writes stories of them having sex like in volume 9.

>KM
>no love triangle

What are you on?

>Mayu is objectively a much better heroine than Megumi.
Triggered Megumifags incoming.

Eriri got close to winning, but Megumi's sudden departure kept Tomoya thinking about her, which is why he spent two months with Eriri and didn't make a move on her. V7 is when Eriri's chances are ruined and he's locked into the Megumi route, V11 is just him realizing his feelings.

I wish Mayu appeared in the main story and stole the bowl from them, their salty tears as their heroines are defeated by the superior Mayu would be priceless.

>Are there other works where the spin off characters and story end up being better or more popular than those of the main story?

Not spinoff but Iroha is more popular than Yukino and Yui.

>Are there other works where the spin off characters and story end up being better or more popular than those of the main story?

Yes. Thanks to Nagai and JC Staff.

>using Mayu to shitpost Megumi

Pathetic.

>Implying Utaha has a chance
What are you on?

The main reason KM is more enjoyable than the main story is because there's no character like Eriri causing drama and ruining everything for everyone.

Bullying Eriri is fun though.

The superior series.

This user gets it. Its not about Mayu but the lack of Eriri that makes KM good.

Insecure Megumifags that get so triggered they must shitpost best girl. You are cancer

Fuck off poopoofag

Fuck off Eririshitter
Why do you always want to ruin the threads?

>No Eriri
This is why main story is better than KM.

>It came true
Nice call.

Mayu a best, a best!

No it isn't. KM has the superior story and superior depiction of the heroines, ditching those not needed.

Also Mayu has the cutest scenes! Its much better than anything Megumi has done up to this point.

And also it still deals with game making. How long has it been since the main story has focused on any member of the circle and their game? Last volume was only about Megumi and Tomoya's romance and completely ignored Izumi, Michiru and Iori.

They should make a KM anime adaptation instead of Saekano season 2.

KM's conflict isn't as good as the main story's, which is why it lacks the punch the main story has. The main story has much more memorable scenes and stronger characters.

Japan hardly cares about the spin-off.

I never thought you faggots would stoop so low and use Mayu in your shitflinging.

Enjoy yourselves while you can.

I disagree. Saekano would be boring without drama. Conflict is best used to build character and that has worked well for Eriri (towards Tomoya) and Megumi (towards Eriri). KM has some drama too, mostly from Utaha's internalized problems. And Eriri hasn't ruined anything for anyone. Don't troll just because OP said Mayu is better than Megumi.

Saekano fanbase is the worst fanbase.

Kill everyone in this thread.jpg

The main story the lowest lows of the franchise. KM is more consistent and therefore more enjoyable.

>Implying I'm a Megumifag

The lowest lows are Volumes 9 and 10. Everything other than those are around the same level of quality. It's really not that big a deal.

From 1 to Ana senpai how high is Mayu's slut index?

Vols 1, 3 and 4 are just as bad.

This, KM adheres to its themes and the heroines make a lot more sense than the ones from the main story.

Utaha and Mayu are much more interesting than Megumi and Eriri.

Utahafag's biased delusion.
Source: personal opinion or sales?

1. She's pure.

Oh hell no, they're pretty good, or at least the anime version of them were. Volume 9 is barely passable, but Volume 10 is outright irredeemable.

>No Eriri
KM is the lowest.

Volume 9 is the comeback volume for Tomoya's circle and the start of Tomoya's scenarios. How wasn't that volume fun and interesting?

>implying you're not a megumi false flagger

Utaha and Mayu lack interesting conflict between each other, and neither of them have chemistry with Tomoya as good as Megumi's.

He's probably hating cause it's the subconscious love confession to Eriri volume.

You should actually read KM. It's pretty fun and sexy and lacks all the shortcomings of the main series.

>long, boring scenario writing sections that just repeat what was already written in previous volumes
>no meaningful development for the circle members, in fact taking back Megumi and Tomoya's first name basis for no good reason
>forcing Utaha into it

You sound like you're trying too hard to make it sound bad when it's just a simple fun volume that's supposed to be a breather from the past drama-filled arc.

All of the main cast got their share of the spotlight in one way or another.

Gangbang level.
She likes all the dicks, ALL THE DICKS.

>breather
>Megumi is gloomier than ever
>Eriri is getting uneasy about not making up with Megumi
>Izumi is in a slump

Really shouldn't be one.

Too much recap of things we already know. Same with volume 10, repetition ruined those volumes.

Worst of all, they handwaved Izumi's slump with a side volume (GS2) and didn't really resolve anything of Megumi and Eriri. With how little we saw them interact, one can barely believe they were friends at all.

There's a time and place for everything. Megumi and Eriri deal with the drama between them in private. Compartmentalizing is key when you're with other people. Bur showing that there's something going on where other characters can tell despite the facade is added humor.

>Too much recap
Like what? Break it down by chapters.

So I picked this up to see what's the fuzz about and
>Tomoya is much more likeable than in the main series
>best girl Utaha gets her deserved spotlight and isn't dragged down by the MC being a faggot like in the main series
>no annoying characters like in the main series
>fun sidekick that contributes advance the story
>smooth, cute artstyle that's also fappable

I'm liking this more than the main series so far.

>"resolve" their conflict
>we barely see Megumi and Eriri interact as friends
>Megumi getting together with Tomoya is going to bring their friendship crashing down right after

The anime better add in original scenes to make their friendship believable.

>Tomoya is much more likeable than in the main series

This.

I still think the LN is better for other reasons, but Tomoya's more entertaining in the side manga.

But the other characters have no meaningful development. Izumi and Michiru are literal joke characters, and the problem is that they didn't need to wind up like that. Instead of the awful retreading with Eriri and Utaha, other heroines could have been fleshed out.

And the characters actually progress. In the main story they start and lose their circle while in KM they start editing the novels and move to making anime.

Its a lot more inspirational and more coherent than the mess the current series is stuck in. Also the author seems to actually enjoy writing KM.

>Defends Megumi and Eriri as heroines
>Posts picture of Megumi acting like a bitch

This wouldn't happen if Mayu was the main heroine!

Yeah, it's like the author only keeps writing Saekano for the shekels and writes what he wants to write in Koisuru Metronome.

The circle dissolving is part of the character progression. Gamemaking was never really a big component of the main story, the meat was always Tomoya and Megumi's romance, which is adequately developed. Japan actually hated the scenario writing parts.

Except Izumi and Michiru are sub-heroines and they received development that's proper.
>awful retreading with Eriri and Utaha
So half of the reason you don't like it is because heroines you don't like have better development.

Not even going to dignify that with a proper response.

V9 and V10 were lazily written, but you can tell he put effort into V11.

>the meat was always Tomoya and Megumi's romance
So important that Maruto was ready to conclude the series by volume 6.

>Not even going to dignify that with a proper response.
Says the faggot that doesn't have a proper response.

What proper development do Izumi and Michiru get?

>So half of the reason you don't like it is because heroines you don't like have better development.

No, it's because their parts in V9 and V10 were redundant. Maruto literally copy and pasted dialogue from previous volumes.

Blame the editor, Maruto wanted to end the series in volume 6 but they forced him to keep going so they would sell more in season 2.

>V7 was written before the anime came out
>already hinted at a Part 2 in the afterword

>So half of the reason you don't like it is because heroines you don't like have better development.
Which happened because they're awful heroines. If they had more entertaining traits than being a boring quip machine and a bitchy illustrator it would actually be interesting.

More like Aniplex picked the series up and started shilling it hard with the anime announcement and selling merchandise before it even aired, forcing him to continue.

>Reading an anime about game making
>Hating the concept and devolving into shipping wars
Saekano really is cancer.

Megumi's meaner side is part of why Tomoya likes her.

Mayu has a lot more in common with Tomoya and both are moe otakufags. She does everything Megumi does but better.

Also she's a lot more fappable.

He's bullshitting. Shipping wars in this series were always pretty tame in comparison to other harem LNs or even Maruto's past works as romance wasn't a central theme of the series until recently.

>What proper development do Izumi and Michiru get?
This. They were entertaining characters with lots of potential and what did they get? They even lost their chapters while the author made us read a recap of Utaha and Eriri which aren't even in the circle anymore.

What gives?

Chapter 2 and 3 of vol.9. The better question is what aren't you satisfied with? Izumi gets reassured, play game for research for ideas, and enjoys being a kohai. Michiru plays to research the music she'll make and discuss matters regarding the circle and give Tomoya some advice. Remember, they're not main heroines, so you can't expect flags that could lead to Tomoya picking their routes.

>redundant
Explain it.

If being an otaku was a major factor than Eriri would have won the LNs. It's because Megumi is quite different from Tomoya that she won. Mayu isn't even similar to Megumi, she lacks the snark and flatness in her voice.

>more fappable

Even if we disagree on everything else, can we all just agree that Utaha is worst girl?

>Implying promotional art is even closer to the real sizes
>Implying being flat is a good thing
Kill yourself.

Lies and slander. Volume 9 was wonderful. Seeing Tomoya write the heroine based on Eriri without missteps and the realization of being in love with Eriri came together nicely.

Izumi and Michiru haven't changed at all as character. They don't need to raise flags to get development, Michiru developed in V4 and raised no flags.

It's redundant because it's a literal copy paste from previous volumes. The audience isn't dumb, they don't need to be spelled out what happened in previous volumes. We already knew how Tomoya felt in V3, we didn't need it repeated again. The only thing new were sex scenes, but we already knew he felt lust at occasion, it wasn't needed, and we didn't even get illustrations of them so they were totally pointless.

She's the best. I don't see other girls getting their own original spin-offs where the author's writing isn't restricted to editor and fanbase's whims, shinning a lot more than in the contrived main story, and thus is objectively best girl.

They become a central part of the circle when Utaha and Eriri leave. Volume 8 promises a new beginning with exciting new developments and then backtracks to more Eriri and Utaha.

Eriri and Utaha should have disappeared for good so that the new circle could get proper development. Keeping them around ruined the series.

There are other sexy images that are more accurate.

>Gets her own spin off
>Another girl beats her in her own route
There's no god in this world.

Mayu doesn't even like Tomoya.

So it's non canon and irrelevant.

>realization of being in love with Eriri

Never happened. He realized he was out of love with her, he explains it to Megumi in V11. The Eriri route was a what-if scenario, but thanks to how she screwed things up, he realized he couldn't love her anymore.

I want Megumi to bear my normie children.

It's its own story with superior characters and superior storytelling. It'd be even better if the manga didn't have Saekano attached to the title at all.

This, this is the anime we deserve. Not that boring Saekano:flat.

Tomoya was in love with her at the time and he didn't deny it.

He denied it being a love letter. If he really did still love her, he wouldn't have gotten together with Megumi as easily as he did in V11.

Mayu is cuter and more interesting than Megumi.

We already know Tomoya's taste sucks.

Ignore the flags then. You don't need to change overnight to have development that's added to a character. They spent intimate time with the MC and was fleshed out while doing things that's relevant to the plot. That's basic development. You want more than that, but what exactly?

>literal copy paste
You haven't explained how and why.

You obviously are blinded by hate, so you're just saying whatever. Don't expect a proper response from me.

In a too shy to admit it way. But other characters pointed out the obvious, deep down Tomoya realized that.

Volume 11 is the future and feelings can change.

I'd pay for an Utaha anime. Delicious pantyhouse and oppai fanservice everywhere is enough to fund it. Not tsundereshit to be found is the cherry on the cake.

What did Izumi playing games with Tomoya flesh out about her character? What did Michiru doing her usual fooling around with Tomoya flesh out about her character? I want them to progress as characters, but they don't even have conflict. Izumi's slump was literally handwaved away by someone outside the circle.

>You haven't explained how and why.

He literally copy pasted dialogue. The scene composition was already done for him, it was blatantly effortless.

Eriri is still better though.

As if anyone wanted your shitty responses, you say that because you have no argument so fuck off, faggot.

Megumifags are hating because of this as usual.