Collectivists btfo

I'm an individualist, DEBATE ME.

No

ok budzo name yer topic

Individualism is not a valid political movement because one guy is not a group. If you characterise the individualist movement as people against collectivism of any kind, you just gave individualists a collectivist identity. Individualism isn't real. It's a bunch of sociopaths.

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hang yourself
then you'll be a swinger too.

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Saying God is dead, even as a historical force, is blatantly false. God and religion play a huge part in the lives of billions.
Taxation may or may not be theft.
Meat isn't murder.

Kek

>Meat is Murder

But let's all have abortions

>Says he's an individualist
>Wants to control what I eat
Suck a nigger's dick

God never existed and therefore can not die.

All taxes are theft but theft is not evil by default.

Animals are property and property can not be murdered.

U fucking goon. Individuals may have adjectives that describe them and can be applied to many, but that doesn't mean their irrationally attached to a group. Fucking brainlet

>meat isn't murder
Next you're going to tell me abortion is murder. Get your shit straight.

>and property can not be murdered.
Slaves

I don't agree with abortions, checkmate.

>God never existed and therefore can not die.
Jesus, good to see a fellow euphoric.

>All taxes are theft but theft is not evil by default.
You fine with me stealing your shit?

>Animals are property and property can not be murdered.
Why is this? Is there any logical connection?

>property can not be murdered.

Civilisation is fell

>God is dead
Meaningless cliche. Nothing to debate. What do you think the chances are of you and I even thinking of the same thing when we refer to 'God'?
>Tax is theft
You opt into taxes. You can live in the wilderness and hunt squirrells for survival if you want. If you want the amenities of civilization (which you do), you have to sacrifice something.
>Meat is Murder
Only if it's canabalism. 'Murder' by definition only refers to killing humans.
I am dissapointed in you.

If you're an individualist you are powerless and irrelevant.
Kys or not it doesn't matter.

all life is based in death of something. plants are sentient to a degree as well so have fun eating dirt to remain consistent to your retarded "ethics"

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>You opt into taxes. You can live in the wilderness and hunt squirrells for survival if you want. If you want the amenities of civilization (which you do), you have to sacrifice something.
Same could be said for communism. What I want isn't to feed a government, what I want is to participate in a free market. I don't have the choice to go because I wouldn't be free to trade with those who went as well.

>powerless and irrelevant.
Are corporation powerless? No. Their power comes from each individual in it seeking his own goals.

>all life is based in death of something. plants are sentient to a degree as well so have fun eating dirt to remain consistent to your retarded "ethics"
When did I say I care about things dying? I care about pain and will to live, both of which plants do not. If you think they do, you're more hippie than I am.

>Say's he's an individualist
>Wants to force me not to beat my wife
>Wants to stop me from owning and selling humans
>Defends the NAP
Brainlet.

You couldnt get out of bed without society's help and paying taxes is a tiny fraction of what you owe

Prior to 1913 Americans kept all their earnings. Taxation is theft no matter how you cut it. It's the state holding a gun called prison and fines to your head and telling you to give them earnings which they don't need.

If there were no government, everyone would just give up and stay in bed? I think individual will is stronger than that you retard.

>What I want isn't to feed a government, what want is to participate in a free market.
Then sell your squirrels pelts to other 'individualists' on the black market for bitcoin.
You are doing a lot of complaining about things you can change if you only applied yourself. This is called whining and women find it very unattractive.

"God is Dead" implies the concept of god no longer has use to modern civilization. I don't see a reason to believe there is an entity worthy of calling god, over anything else I can imagine, but other people nevertheless disagree about its usefulness. I'm inclined to believe some people benefit from belief so whatever.

Tax isn't theft, it's the cost of the social contract. Abuse of tax policy can be indistinguishable from theft by those who suffer under it, though. Taxation should be avoided as a regular solution to problems because it's too easily abused.

Meat is murder but I'm perfectly fine with choosing humans over animals. When that choice can be avoided because there is a high availability of food, I cut back on the meat. But, I'm not holding back if that decision would get in the way of my ability to function.

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You're lying though, like all free markets that start growing, they're eventually controlled by government. If people start using bitcoin primarily, they will notice they're losing revenue in taxes and will try to tax bitcoin or abolish it. What I want isn't a government with the power to stop me, I want a government that protects the NAP rather than infringing it.

Why do you lump yourself in with others and define yourself by the brand of "individualism"
You're just another normie

as an individualist debate yourfunkingself user

>meat is murder

I'll always have fun poking vegans until they die being malnourished

>Tax isn't theft, it's the cost of the social contract
Does the concept of a social contract justify everything? Is communism justifiable under the social contract? E.g. you signed into the social contract implicitly, so don't complain about communism?

Abortion is murder of course. Killing animals isn't what murder is thou

t. brainlets

What's objectively different?

Between humans and animals? A lot of biology and philosophical stuff, user

God is NOT dead! MAN IS DEAD TO GOD! YOU DONT EVEN LISTEN OR DO ANYTHING! EXCEPT MERCY FROM GOD FOR WE ARE ALL WICKED! JESUS THE CHRIST OFFERS IT FREELY

Between killing a baby and killing a pig. Objectively speaking.

One is a human....the other is a pig

ALSO MEAT ISN'T MURDER, ITS KILLING. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE! TAX IS THEFT FOR THE BENEFIT OF FEW!

Maybe that's a good point, I dunno.

I'm inclined to believe that it's important to have pro-social behaviors, though. Humanity's earliest days relied on tribes, interdependence. Personally, I think we owe it to ourselves to make our tribe strong, and we should help those who help us in ways that are less tangible than the obvious exchange of money.

Although I tend to think the free exchange of money is the best way we have to evaluate a person's worth, your money doesn't ask where you got it, how you spend it, if your neighbors grow and develop as a result of its use.

Although this isn't really a policy position, I believe those who are strongest get there because not just their strength but because of the foundations of society allowing it to happen. They should be invested in those around them. Maybe a tax is presumptive that they wouldn't already be invested, but on the other hand, I don't think the Waltons are really being responsible with the wealth they've accumulated. They gathered wealth as though it were a goal in and of itself.

Dude concept of? You are literally too stupid. You deserve to be the eternal wagecuck.

>I'm an individualist, DEBATE ME.
>I want a government that protects...
So much for 'individualism'.
You lost the game.

I didn't ask what is different about the two species, I asked, objectively, what makes one worse than the other, in the action of killing. I know pigs arent human, jesus.

Like asking what policy is better Trump's tax plan or the previous Tax plan, you have to state the objective differences and impact.

can tax be implemented in a way that people would accept it? like, have the base tax but cut everything else by choice?
>oh well i support abortion so i will join the abortion tax
>oh i support medicare so tax me on that.
would this succeed or would the tax system explode?

God cannot be dead, since everything is god.
Tax is theft, state is mafia, citicens their slaves.
Meat is meat
Murder is murder

Individualism doesn't mean anarchy.

It goes back to the social contract, which you seem to not like(lol)? As a society we decided murder is wrong and killing pigs isn't murder

There is nothing to debate because you stand for nothing and are comfy with fence sitting.

>Personally, I think we owe it to ourselves to make our tribe strong
That is your right to value, in a rational and free society, people may value and try to achieve things, but not force others with the threat of force.

>god is dead

Off with you heathen

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I agree with all of those desu, but meat being murder isn't a bad thing or a vegetarian statement or anything. You kill an animal to eat it, it's just a fact.

Fetuses are meat so abortion is murder

Lord almighty that is the most retarded picture I have ever seen.

Yes.

The fact you had to say it isnt a vegetarian sentence is suspect.

Hope it conveys the feeling of euphoria I was experiencing when drawing it.

>Meat is Murder
Nope, i dont waste my debating morons. Have a sage though faggot

>implying there's anything wrong with even postpartum abortion
Women used to do it all the time by taking the baby to a swamp or bog, whether it was because it was retarded, because they couldn't afford taking care of it or anything else.

Well, I'm assuming it was meant as a vegetarian statement.

True, we should be able to achieve what we want. But, what if our desires threaten to harm others? Does a society have to tolerate individual freedoms that threaten to destroy it? I think allowing the wealthiest to isolate themselves from concerns of the development of their own countrymen renders the idea of citizenship meaningless.

>Well, I'm assuming it was meant as a vegetarian statement.
Because of the words in the statement?

No it just means you think you ought to be the dictator and you will just bitch about anything that reminds you that you aren't until it sinks in that you can't have a 'civilization' that will last for long unless people make agreements among each other. Otherwise another 'individualist' with better stats than you will also want to be dictator and you will have no way to oppose his 'individualism' without laws and limitations being placed on people's 'freedoms'.

Should personal values be enforced or taught by parents?

You're a basic bitch, degenerate, vegan commie copy larping as an individual.

KYS

Y-yes, meat is murder sounds like something a vegetarian would say to try to gain moral high ground. Which I completely understand, but I just enjoy meat too much and don't see animals as equals enough to feel so much empathy/pity towards them. But I care about them enough to not buy eggs of chicken that were raised in small cages, for example.

>commie
Commies disgust me.

What`s the difference between killing a human fetus (I assume that's what you mean by baby, since it's pretty much un-acceptable to kill babies in any societies) and a baby pig for its meat?
Well, the pig serves the purpose of feeding me. The baby, however, serves no purpose in death, and is part of my gene-brood, so I take offense at the murder of a potentially unique genetic provider for nothing less than aleviating temporary monetary restrictions.
Pigs are delicious, baby pigs are especially delicious, and people killing fetus for the purpose of not having them in their lives even if they could disgust me on an instinctive basis.

Provide an argument for why killing a pig is murder

>Pigs are delicious, baby pigs are especially delicious, and people killing fetus for the purpose of not having them in their lives even if they could disgust me on an instinctive basis.
So it isn't any different morally from any other disgusting food?

Killing another living creature is murder, technically killing a mosquito is murder as well.

Not really.
Meat is meat, except when it comes to human meat, then it's an expy of your own flesh and blood.
You can eat insect and poop for all I care, but killing unborn children for nothing really puts me in a rage.

No murder is when you kill a human. Provide an argument for why killing a pig is murder

let me stop you. you're right. murder requires malice of forethought.

Also it requires a human victim

If it were left to parents alone, I might be waving the Gadsden flag. My dad also wanted Trump back in like 2010. He also denied evolution, thought atheists were evil, thought statistics were the height of all mathematics and thought boiling water was a chemical reaction. He cared more about his fucking lawn than his children's education, and was content eating McDonalds three times a day. The only reason I was able to become a half-functional adult was because I eventually got free from his retarded bullshit.

I think parents need help.

I don't like the idea of violence to achieve what's right, but I do think laws need to exist. You do everything you can to avoid it, but if people aren't getting it and are a clear and present danger, there has to be something more than parents as the last defense against stupidity. I think a society needs to have systems in place that help its members succeed, because even the most misled among them can find use if given proper guidance.

>I'm an individualist
Have you tried being an individualist white in a South African negro slum? Why don't you go and try your ideology there?

>kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation

Depends on the law, of course. The other definition is strictly limited to humans, though.

Right, the someone being a human. I haven't seen any arguments as to why killing a pig is murder

I appreaciate your concern but before you get ahead of yourself, please take this te to observe your untimley realization to your faggotry.
This was a hint.
Take it or leave it.
Faggot.

>I might be waving the Gadsden flag
You should
>He also denied evolution
Also? Evolution is fact.

>I think parents need help.
I was talking about values, not science. You said said societies need to stand for something, I said it shouldn't be under the threat of force. Nations to stand for things, out of their natural culture. That doesn't mean people in that society shouldn't be free to make their choices.

The only argument then would be whether or not the someone could be an animal as well.

I think only killing jews is murder, I haven't seen proof it is murder if it's on the goym.

All 3 statements are objectively false equivalents and only the 2nd can be argued to be subjectively true in some cases. Take a critical thinking class, and learn to argue properly halfwit.

Tax isn't theft, you're free to fuck off from the country. Consider them fees to continue living here.

What are your thoughts on communism? If germany became a communist country would you just fuck off? Or would you advocate for freedom?

an atheist vegan is worse than niggers

dog bless :DDDD

>If germany became a communist country would you just fuck off?

Yes, or go out in a blaze of glory and commie blood.

We are not arguing whether humans are animals. Murder is not killing an animal, it's killing a human. Provide an argument for why killing a pig is murder

Thats how I feel about socialists.

Regardless of whether or not I should, it would be for the wrong reasons. GUBMINT BAD is not a reasoned argument.

His inability to comprehend science was directly linked to his inability to think rationally. I'm not making that point for science's sake, but to note how appreciation for science or lack thereof does play a role in values. "God did it the scientists are liars paid for by the govt propaganda" is the shit he'd spew not because he had evidence for the claim, but because he couldn't wrap his head around what the fuck any of it meant.

I don't think societies *should* stand under threat of force, my concern is how it functionally sustains itself without it. Ideally a given nation's culture would give us everything we need. I just don't see how that happens.

>Murder is not killing an animal, it's killing a human.

The definition of murder was
>kill (someone) unlawfully and with premeditation

I think you misunderstood, I meant that (someone) could be argued to be an animal as well, in which case you could murder animals. But since someone is the definition of a person, it refers to only humans, which means that I overestimated my knowledge of the English language and no animals can ever be murdered. That includes the piggy.

>GUBMINT BAD is not a reasoned argument.
Initiating agression is bad.

>Ideally a given nation's culture would give us everything we need. I just don't see how that happens.
No, nothing appears out of nothing, if you want shit, there has to be labor, if you think people deserve everything for free, that means you want to take it from those who are actually producing. Disgusting violent ideology.

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>maybe
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This is the correct answer

God is theft
Tax is murder
Meat is dead.

Get it straight

>Doesn't distinguish between humans and animals
Next thing you will say is there's so such thing as race

Ok cool. I guess op left, or doesn't have an argument