The cost of giving birth in Sweden vs USA. That's about $24, by the way

The cost of giving birth in Sweden vs USA. That's about $24, by the way.

What the fuck went wrong?

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Low birthrates? (supply and demand)

Sweden has a 55% tax rate. No thank you.

future sweden children will be somalians so they have to important steps to reduce the medical cost

Gotta make sure those somalis and muslims can have lots of kids and replace Sweden's population

Have fun paying for that you dumb Swedes.

And how much do they have to pay with insurance?

Somalis and muslims would have kids regardless, if it was too expensive they would just have birth at home.
It has always been this "cheap"(aka socialized) even before the migrant chaos.

It's 30-32% but yeah, pretty high.

me and the wife had our daughter at home, it was 2k for the dula to help out (during the whole pregnancy) and that is it.

our first kid was more expensive. we tries at home then last-minute took an ambulance to the hospital for the last push. had the baby naturally and was out with him in about 4 hours. 800 for the doctor, 400 for the hospital room / bed. the fucking 10 min ambulance ride was 3k tho.

stop having unnatural births.

Yeah if you make more than $75k per month, which obviously wouldn't be you, you fucking retard.

If you make less than $52k it's only about 31%, then it further reduced from the work tax credit programme to about 27-28%

Even if you have lots of children, the amount you pay in taxes would probably be equal or similar to that in the US.
Governments are not known for spending money efficiently, so i can't see how a socialist system would reduce costs at all.

usually the deductible is several thousand dollars

>only
>31%

imagine being this retarded

Sure we'll cut our military budget by 60% literally abandon EVERY foreign base give healthcare for all(or a better more affordable alternative) and you'll be speaking Russian or Arabic within the decade. Fuck off. Places like Sweden and the like are full of soyboy cucks, their women are getting plowed by shitskins left and right and you have no sway in the world politically. The weak fear the strong so they hate us.

das right, pay for jamals baby
waste of digits sage

What's your tax then?

20 trillion in debt now that's retarded. But you have a big military that't lost against some vietcong farmers LOL.
You can have your shithole.

You pay more taxes than americans do.
The money you put in taxes, they put it in healthcare.

In the end, what is left to their charge is probably about as much as you pay.

>31 fucking porcent
My countrymen dodge taxes for less than that

This.

It's not $24, because it's subsidized socially, so you have to add up all the taxes paid into the system. Swedish healthcare is no more cheaper it's just the cost is socialized more.

Newsflash, healthcare is actually super expensive to provision, it's not just "free", that's what idiots think when the government pay for things with taxpayers money.

If you moved to america you'd not be raped for that money through tax, you have to pay for your own healthcare but that way you can choose the quality of service etc.

Mind sharing what your tax is?

>Newsflash, healthcare is actually super expensive to provision
Most people don't even imagine how expensive medical shit is. Even the simplest act or item comes to a ridiculously high expense.

American citizens taxes tend to be pretty low (corporate tax rates are higher than in Sweden). Then you have all the insurances and fees that you need to pay, but those aren't taxes, so while you need to pay wads of bills for healthcare as well as a minimum if you ever need to use it, that's not a tax and thus you happily ommit that when comparing taxes.

usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2017/03/10/whats-the-average-americans-tax-rate/98734396/
>If you add up the four income-based categories of taxation (Federal, state/local, Social Security, and Medicare), the average American's effective tax rate is 29.8%.
So yes, 29.8% is lower than the ~31-32% you pay here.

You do have noticeably lower consumption taxes due to the bullshit EU-tarrifs and ability to skip paying taxes if you buy online out of state.

You probably don't get half as much out of it as we do here. Do you even have plumbing capable of handling toilet paper, or do you use a shit bin, for example? Are your roads full of pot holes like glorious 29.8% tax rate "technically 1-2% lower than you FREEEDOM" Amerimutts?

my kid was about $1500. minimum was something stupid like $10/mo. Paid half right away and the rest in $100/mo for 8 months. Not exactly an insurmountable challenge.

The picture on the right isn't a bill, it's just a list of costs and doesn't factor in that healthcare will pay for about 95% of it and insurers negotiate different costs with the hospital.

Nice try commie, go back to the reddit front page where you got this post from.

>can't speak English
>bu-but you have a big military that called a draw on a war decades ago
>bu-but you're 20 trillion in debt
>implies you aren't living in a shithole hiding behind a memeflag
newfag scum, every time

>be murican
>pay 2 born
>born 2 pay

Efficient tax rate adjusted after payroll tax and income is at minimum 48% for someone employed full time.

On top of that you have VAT, energy taxes, if you drive a car, 80% of the gas price is taxes..

Fucking commie shitheads like yourself should kill yourselves!

This was just on Reddit. Saged

if you have health care ofc

What's 5% of $42347, and is it less than $24?

>only 31%
>only
you cant be serious

but you're still paying more in total through over inflated price and insurance. AND tax on top that does fuck all.

>48%

Wtf is this for real?

>~31-32% you pay here
With jobbskatteavdrag it's actually less.

So what's your tax? (protip: it's not much less)

>not posting the Swede tax burden that’s used to also pay for medical costs

Again, those costs are negotiated down by the insurer.

Give it time for the immigrants to pour in and bankrupt your system. In three years you'll be like damn having a baby is only $43k. C'mon Ahkmed lets go!

are you stupid? that's just the bill the customer sees.

do you really think it costs $24 to deliver a child in sweden? someone else is paying for the electricity, the beds, the wages, and everything else.

As usual, communists lie. You start getting taxed at 55% when your income exceeds around 50,000 USD per year. But hey, at least we get free immigrants, right?

Why don't you google "deductible"?

Inkomstskatt ja, men på det har du arbetsgivaravgifter, moms osv.

>Only 30%
Point and laugh, point and laugh

>hurr durr you can't speak muh mongrel language properly
Enjoy living in a shithole, 56%.

The major difference is that healthcare is a kink in the capitalism machine. As a consumer, you can't choose whether or not you need that kidney transplant. It's either take it or die. The medical costs in the US are absurd, and there's no sign they're going to be reduced any time soon.

glöm inte statlig inkomstskatt 22% till vid 430.000

Hm maybe if we had an ethnostate we could afford to subsidize that cost but we are too busy producing unheard amounts of chinks, spics, niggers and orcs.

Thats cost to the consumer, not cost to the state retard.
>ICU
>CT scan
>Blood storage
>Nursery
This was a complex birth.
Take out the complex shit and the end result with no insurance to negotiate (most hospital bills are negotiated down by the way) is $3,500

doc here. The problem is the cost of medicine. Ocare and even failed Trumpcare never addressed this. It is high because we have allowed an oligopoly of insurance companies to make it big profitable business. Trump's plan prior to election had a big push for HSA's(read this as a free market where consumers set the market price through supply/demand in free market - hence why I was in favor). Until we provide a way to bypass the ripoff that is health insurance, things will get worse. And government run healthcare would be worst case scenario. Costs would go up and availability/efficiency would go down.

And that's primarily the fault of insurance companies. I don't think we need socialized healthcare, I think we need to get rid of the insurance kikes. All of them. Car insurance, housing insurance, health insurance... they're all scams

i wouldn't be surprised if sweden's system is better for a lily-white swedish society, but trust me, you don't want that kind of system here. nonwhites are already net tax burdens, the last thing we need is for the white middle and upper class to bear the cost of subsidizing nonwhite births.

Here we encounter the rare Finn who hasn't killed them-self yet. Let's all stop and cherish such a rare moment.

>be pre-obamacare 'murican
>pay cca. $400 for insurance

>be sven
>Have highest taxes in Europe.

Somehow sweden was far better off 50 years ago without the welfare state and the freest and most deregulated economy at that time.

Socialism is not enough to save our race. Sweden will be 30% muslim by 2050, and this actually shows why. They are subsidizing shitskin sharia breeding squads.

Damn, americans are so good at thinking they are smart while stating the obvious

I’d be surprised if they charged much more for a white woman popping a little Muhammad out in the back of a truck

Holy superiority complex there ego master. Only because of you everyone doesnt kill us? You really have to be an amerimutt to believe something shit as this. I wish you guys would go isolationist and stop meddling in 3rd world countries creating the chaos that created refugees etc. Youre this world cancer. Like all imperialistuc countries.

Not the user you were talking to, but I pay about 10%of my income in taxes and I make about 30k per year

>Arbetsgivaravgifter
Räknas inte med i sådana här jämförelser, inget som man någonsin ser som individ. För övrigt drar företagaren av det mot sin övriga skatt.

>Moms
Det är ingen skatt som man måste betala. USA har också konsumptionsskatter och som du såg så höll jag med om att deras konsumptionsskatt är lägre, generellt sett (). Man kan skippa den helt om man köper över internet utanför sin egen stat/företaget inte har ett lager eller kontor i din stat, EU gör det i princip omöjligt att undvika konusmptionsskatt här.

Med det får du dock tänka på att det finns andra saker som amerikaner betalar, t.ex. självrisk på minst 20k+ om de hamnar på sjukhus. I exemplet här t.ex. healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-limit/ så betalar försäkringsbolaget generöst allt över $4,400 om du behöver en operation eller något/sova över en natt eller två (eftersom det i USA kostar hundratusentals kronor).

>people pay their medical bills

why are uninformed people even allowed to talk about this shit?

no one actually ends up paying these bills, they take on the debt and go through insurance to mediate it. medical bills are just a way of trapping you in the debt based system of usury that this country is run on, Obama just wanted to make sure people would feel comfortable getting scammed

you want a solution let people actually compete. why do I have to pay five hundreddollars for a glorified polaroid known as an x-ray? I should be able to get those for ten bucks at CVS, fuck the FDA

reliance on health insurance, hospitals price gouge because they can get away with sending huge bills to health insurance companies

>konusmptionsskatt
>det får du dock tänka på
* det du dock får tänka på

Jävlar vad man skall slarva.

Says the 56%er lol

Yes it is my corpulent colonial friend.

Let's say that you are a Swedish taxi driver with the median salary of 22,000 SEK / month.

Then when you get your salary, on the report it says that your salary is 22,000 SEK and 15,500 has been deposited in your account and you have paid 6500 in taxes.

But that doesn't account the hidden payroll tax. Which is about 31% of you stated salary. This is called "the employers fee", but it's just another tax on your person since it's associated with you, not your employer.

So the taxi driver's real salary is 28,800 SEK, and he pays 13,300 SEK in taxes, which is 46%, which is slightly below what I can remember.

But then there's the lovely energy taxes, which you pay VAT upon, there are three VAT rates, 6,25% which you pay for groceries, 12,5% which you pay for books, cinema and bus / train tickets and 25% on pretty much anything else.

Then there's special taxes on cars, gasoline, alcohol, cigarettes.

Right is clearly not a standard birth, if a birth at all.

Look at the tests, retard.

This is how we ensure that only the absolute top-tier people can breed in this country. You have to be very wealthy to give birth here, otherwise you'll never have kids.

Maybe give us some breathing room so we can go isolationist. #wecan'tbreathe

>30-32%
thats actually not much more than what im paying at 75K a year.
+ $500 /month for mediocre health insurance, we're getting jewed about the same.

So explain all the Mexicans.

>falling for the burgers bait

>Räknas inte med i sådana här jämförelser, inget som man någonsin ser som individ.

Ja, det är ju klart att skattehjonen skulle kanske bli purkna om de såg hur mycket de bidrog till sossepamparnas låtsas jobb.

>För övrigt drar företagaren av det mot sin övriga skatt.

Mina föräldrar är småföretagare med anställda, de har aldrig dragit av arbetsgivaravgiften mot någon annan skatt. Vad är det för möjlighet du benämner?

Honestly i like the free market but anything that requires you to have insurance, like car insurance or healthcare, needs to be state mandated.

Americans pay like 5x the cost for drugs that canadians do because the american hospitals know that the insurance companies can afford it. Then the insurance companies pass it off onto the payers.

Any mandatory business transaction that is mediated by an insurance company by necessity might as well just be state run. There's nothing free market about it anyway.

Insurance companies got involved

>hidden payroll tax
lol

What's the point of saying the exact opposite of what is true? Humour?

> 31%
Thats 3x the rate for me in the US.

>cost of giving birth in USA
is 0 if you don't have any income

The hospitals and insurance companies play grab ass and put fake numbers up everywhere. The listed price for the birth is nowhere near what the insurance company paid for. The problem is that sometimes people can get fucked and get hit with a bill at the fake hospital price because hospitals don't take into account people that don't have the right insurance for the operation/medicine. This shit is never going to get fixed unless we can get money out of politics, which will never happen.

You still have a 31% effective tax rate if you hire an accountant to slash that tax, retard.

And yet the white birth rate is higher in the US.

if you are self pay you can just talk to the hospital
they have charity care and will also discount for self pay
they will give someone a huge discount if they pay in full

Heaven for-fucking-bid people pay extra for using more than usual.

> Abington Hospital in Philly
So their prices are high to offset all the apes that don't pay a cent. Thanks Obama.

I knew a Swedish girl who was hospitalized three times before they finally gave in and let her get her appendectomy

Socialized medicine is good for standard easy medicine, once you get into serious procedures it goes to complete shit

> You pay $7k dollars to get your $5k in taxes done, stupid yankee.
Nice proxy, you silly fuckstick.

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It's worse. We(docs) are forced to inflate our prices to get a fair payment for a service because insurance discounts what they pay from what you charge. Then when some self insured landscaper comes in, we have to charge them according to our fee schedule and if we only charge them what we actually get payed by insurance, we go to jail for insurance fraud.

I pay that in the US lmao
And I don't see the effects of any of that because it all goes to niggers and illegals instead of the people who are working for it

>proxy
One of us is a retard, and it isn't me.

Because they pay for it through their taxes you fucking idiot.

Also healthcare is cheaper in a free market.

Worse yet for hospitals because they can't turn away uninsured or they can't receive Medicaid/Medicare reimbursement so they have to really jack the fee schedule to offset the losses from the unisured

This, the worst part is that the welfare system is almost failing because of the migrant spike 2015.

>LOL ONLY 31%
>LE 29%
Fucking 56% faggot

No you cunt, look up how much of your money is actually spent you fucking drooling retard. SO tired of people like you that refuse to look fucking basic things up.

No wonder Swedes are fucked, most of us are getting ROBBED by taxes and nobody even knows it.

Must be that fellow in the mirror to your right, then.

>future sweden children will be somalians so they have to important steps to reduce the medical cost
This. Wtf, raise those prices. Don't make it cheap to spit out babies.

If you're self-employed then yes, you do pay more in general. But the average employer moves enough money around that it isn't a problem. Companies typically min-max their economy anyway. Got to pay more taxes? Oh no, too bad, we needed to expend that money for business purposes, too bad (buy equipment etc).

If you make over (a huge amount, millionaire-tier) you do pay more than in the US, but not the regular citizen as far as I can tell.

Hade fel, det är inte avdragsgillt mot annat (vilket egentligen säger sig självt om man tänker efter, dra av en skatt mot en skatt). Men det är inget problem iallafall, alla egenföretagare jag känt har bara haft problemet att de har fått försöka komma på saker att lägga sina pengar på innan skatteårets slut, så att de kunde dra av varenda krona och få saker (datorer och annat) istället för skatt. Det tvingar snarare företagen att återinvestera i sig själva, snarare än att lägga det på egenkonsumption, där du ändå fått skatta 25% eller vad det nu är, igen.

>And I don't see the effects of any of that because it all goes to niggers and illegals instead of the people who are working for it
Yeah, we're working on that part too.

Now keep in mind that everything a Swede buys is taxed an additional 25%, it's even more grim when you consider all other specific taxes.

Our population density is already too high. Giving birth should cost 1,000,000

We need to return to 1980s population.

It's too bad, if the government would stop helping corps fuck the poor/middle class whites in the ass maybe they'd have more kids.

I'm actually middle class, married, and white, and of the age for raising children, and I CAN'T AFFORD a kid in either time or money. I simply can't. The new tax plan will make it even more difficult.

>lived in leafland
>Have leaf citizenship
>Have leaf healthcare card

Whenever I have to go to the doctor/hospital I just go across the border and swipe the healthcare card. Haven't had to pay for shit in years and it's all on the leaf's dime.

Feels good man.