These are the stages of moral decline in Rome. Notice any parallels?
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In the first stage, men ceased to lead their families in worship. Spiritual and moral development became secondary. Their view of God became naturalistic, mathematical, and mechanical.
In the second stage, men selfishly neglected care of their wives and children to pursue material wealth, political and military power, and cultural development. Material values began to dominate thought.
The third stage involved a change in men’s sexual values. Men who were preoccupied with business or war either neglected their wives sexually or became involved with lower-class women or with homosexuality. Ultimately, a double standard of morality developed.
The fourth stage affected women. The role of women at home and with children lost value and status. Women were neglected and their roles devalued. Soon they revolted to gain access to material wealth and also freedom for sex outside marriage. Women also began to minimize having sex relations to conceive children, and the emphasis became sex for pleasure.
In the fifth stage, husbands and wives competed against each other for money, home leadership, and the affection of their children. This resulted in hostility and frustration and possible homosexuality in the children. Many marriages ended in separation and divorce.
In the sixth stage, selfish individualism grew and carried over into society, fragmenting it into smaller and smaller group loyalties. The nation was thus weakened by internal conflict. The decrease in the birthrate produced an older population that had less ability to defend itself and less will to do so, making the nation more vulnerable to its enemies.
Finally, unbelief in God became more complete, parental authority diminished, and ethical and moral principles disappeared, affecting the economy and government. Because of internal weakness and fragmentation, the society came apart.
We can see these stages play out in the decline of the Roman Empire. But we can also see them happening before our eyes in America.
Eli Murphy
>mfw great satan collapses
Sebastian Turner
Every civilization goes downhill sooner or later.
Isaiah Collins
>MFW
Lucas Roberts
The big difference is no invasion of the US will be successful (or likely even undertaken) because of our nuclear deterrent. Which isn't necessarily a good thing because eventually, as we see now, the power of the state will continue to grow in order to stifle civil unrest or potential rebellion and no outside entity will ever be able to invade to either liberate or at least install a different national order.
We're fucked.
Julian Moore
death to america!
Charles Powell
>not sudokuing with backblast why even die
Jaxson Powell
>source: some clay pots we found under a highway in Italy
Surprisingly little is actually known about Rome, given the propensity to keep records on parchment, the ease with which parchment is burned, and the fact that Rome was burnt to the ground several times and ultimately the entire empire was either directly sacced or merged into obscurity with invading nations.
Xavier Brooks
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Jordan Perez
>Stage 1: first instance of god being removed from schools in Obama era >Stage 2: families forced to work day in and day out to make ends meet. Caused by Bush, succeeded by Obama >Stage 3: Cultural shift happened during Obama Era >Stage 4: See Stage 2 >Stage 5: See Stage 2 >Stage 6: Started in Obama era. Carried over into Trump era. >Stage 7: Currently in question. Trump's faith in God and bringing back the saying of "God Bless America" is good. The problem with Stage 7 right now is that by trying to bring back God into our lives, it's only driving a wedge between us and those who call us Unbelievers (Islam) and those who are just straight up atheists who will believe in a flying spaghetti monster before any so-called God.
Oliver Collins
They're attempting unarmed invasion from the south and via refugeehadists. If we hadn't ended up with Trump somehow we would be buried in illegals and Muslim barbarians within the year. Conquest via demographic shift.
Brayden Ward
dont take my cheeseburgers
Luke Campbell
>merged into obscurity with invading nations.
sounds familiar
Lucas Price
Is that how you live with yourself in cucked Germany?
Grayson Price
>making shit up about Rome Shitposting is fine and all, but stick to your Jewish history, mutt.
Noah Lee
Back to 6th grade history please
Elijah Peterson
wasnt rome polytheistic?
Landon Lee
Monkey paw, the moment US dies is the moment CIA is 100% free from the little chains that still holds it back. It's not going to be pretty.
Parker Gomez
But we’re still in our Republic phase, we haven’t even reached the Empire phase yet
Juan Collins
And where are the few good people supposed to go so our children don't get satanified?
Charles Sullivan
I wonder hoe americans are always so quick to give shit to europeans, with their cities full of violent chimps and the US being an Israeli proxy state.
Anthony Powell
*why
Evan Kelly
Fuck off, maple nigger.
Sebastian Allen
Not according to American history books (you know, the ones that really matter).
David Martinez
We are the society of Baphomet.
We promote freedom, LGBT politics, feminism, equality, change and progress while simultaneously running the biggest and most aggressive military force in existence.
We sell people on liberation while indefinitely detaining and torturing our enemies.
We promote democracy by funding reactionary groups and installing fascist dictatorships abroad.
We come as liberators, bombing civilians with unmanned aircraft in countries we have made no declaration of war on, because we can.
The fruits of the Pax Americana are millions of refugees, the return of in the open slavery in North Africa, tens of millions of addicts, more people in prison both in numbers and per capita than even the most oppressive foreign regime, militarized police held to no standards of accountability, ghettos with third world poverty and violence and culture that glamorizes it, and a public so utterly disconnected from reality that anybody saw Hillary Clinton as anything other than a power hungry sociopath with no beliefs except striving for power.
Brandon Edwards
>>Am a noncucked teacher
I'm researching this to softly red pill my students.
Oliver Ortiz
when does modern day pic related happen
Jayden Lewis
Empire never collapse from the core, always from the periphery. The end will start in Europe and spread to Japan before hitting the US.
no, "we're" not. i had no part in making any of those decisions, and neither did anyone i know. we do not deserve this.
Charles Hill
The periphery is lost because the core collapses or is otherwise significantly weakened.
Jordan Jackson
>literally murica today
Kayden Walker
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So Trump is Commodus? If Trump isnt a sign of the end of USA I dont know what is
Levi Myers
If you knew anything about Rome you'd know we're no where near the collapse
If we are Rome the grachi brothers would be causing trouble
Levi Cooper
I just hope the fall is swift... >I accept that I may be murdered just for being white like in SA
Joseph Robinson
The last chance.
Eli Morales
Meet the Trump of Ancient Rome, a Populist Demagogue Who Helped ... huffingtonpost.com/philip.../trump-rome-populist_b_9659660.html Populism has a long and colorful history in American politics, from Huey Long on the left and George Wallace on the right, to — more recently — Ross Perot in 1992 and Donald Trump today. But the roots of populism stretch much further back in time — more than two millennia, to the beginning of the end of the Roman ... Senators Save the Empire - The New York Times nytimes.com/2017/05/04/opinion/senator-donald-trump.html May 4, 2017 - Commodus realizes that the one thing standing between him and his authoritarian impulses is the senate, its rules and its traditions, and he is furious about its constraints on his power. I have thought of this movie often since Donald Trump was elected, and this scene seems particularly relevant this week.
And European provinces are American proxies/military bases. Nothing more
Hudson Richardson
>In the second stage, men selfishly neglected care of their wives and children to pursue material wealth, political and military power, and cult The Roman citizens pretty much did this from the start, and it caused no problems. Despite Roman military forces being spread out quite far, and despite Barbarians attacking the corners of their Empire, they still successfully kept their empire in check. It was when the early Christians took over the Empire that everything went to shit. The Roman empire instilled values of virtue and Heroism in their citizens - the idea was that those who work hard or fulfill heroic deeds would be rewarded for their efforts in life. Unlike that, the Christian Rome had it's average citizens live in meekness (being a good christian at life is all that matters, since it determines your eternal fate in the afterlife), which probably prevented quite many individuals from reaching their whole potential, which of course translates to military competency as well (hello barbarians). The early Christians also had a pretty stupid knowledge-policy: while the old Romans took in the knowledge of those they conquered, Christians simply burned down libraries of knowledge - alongside with pretty much everything and everyone who refused to join their Religion. The Early Christians of Rome were different than the ones you know today - you can pretty much compare them to modern day Muslims. Their destruction of knowledge threw the empire back for hundreds of years, and the incompetence of it's dumbed-down members (believe was hold above everything, including innovation, self improvement and critical thinking) made sure that the Barbarians took more and more land from the Empire.
Of course that doesn't change that you (and we, too) will collapse on our current course. Too many cultural Marxists, Dindunuffins and Religion-of-Peace-ers will turn the US and Europe into another 3rd world shithole.
>ignoring debts >giving tax cuts to create more debts Literally suicide.
Elijah Jones
In 134 AD, after about two centuries of Roman Empire, emperor Hadrian tired of the Jews, destroyed their temple and barred them forever from the province of Syria-Palestine. If that’s decadence, sign me up.
Dominic Cooper
your description of the fall of rome is subjective , it was more than that, and technology as well development in general has changed, its not the same thing
This is an idea Donald Trump might like. He surrounds himself with gold as lavishly as any tyrant. Why not commission a portrait of himself as Hercules for the Oval Office instead of just moving around busts of Winston Churchill and Martin Luther King?
The way the worst Roman emperors are portrayed in art can help us to see Trump more clearly. When we look at the face of Commodus in this eerie portrait, we are staring into the eyes of unhinged, utterly perverse tyranny. When this son of the respected emperor Marcus Aurelius took control of the vast Roman empire in AD161 he embarked on a career of bizarre folly and monstrous cruelty. As well as executing his enemies and perceived enemies, he liked to fight in the arena, killing gladiators with his own hands in a spectacle that educated Romans found shameful and disturbing.
Remind you of anyone? Donald Trump prefers to carry out his gladiatorial combats via Twitter. He hurls words instead of javelins. Give him four years, though, and who knows – perhaps he will be chasing Meryl Streep around the stadium in his chariot before the SuperBowl.
Aaron Hill
Who needs an invasion? Subvert the nation enough and it will kill itself. That's what USSR did, people these days act as if it was inevitable but the reality is Yeltsin dismantled USSR in his power struggle and Gorbachev allowed for this to happen because he was a weak hippie liberal. The same thing can happen in America. Get a person who's hungry for power, but can never get in with conventional means, give that person the tools and the opportunity and that person will destroy the entire country just to get to the throne.
Or you can just provoke a good old civil war
Tyler Parker
i thought the stages of collapse were.
1. the barbarians showed up. 2. the barbarians showed up. 3. the barbarians showed up.
Wyatt Wood
These are the 7 stages of an empire. 1. The age of outburst (or pioneers). 2. The age of conquests. 3. The age of commerce. 4. The age of affluence. 5. The age of intellect. 6. The age of decadence. 7. The age of decline and collapse.
The west is currently at stage 6.
Jose Jenkins
If a random bunch of tribes can take you down, chances are you're not in the best shape.
Jaxson Ramirez
*If* this is true, good on you. This actually is kinda what started me off; no joke. >Back in the day, some crazy teacher talks a little too much about Rome's dissolution, and I've never felt the same about immigration since...
Benjamin Jenkins
Overproduction of elites. > Growing political instability is first and foremost a result of elite overproduction leading to excessive intra-elite competition and conflict. This main driver is supplemented by mass mobilization of non-elites resulting from popular immiseration and by failing fiscal health of the state. archive.fo/NNgIj
William Morales
Ya ok. What budget faggot. Think the cia will feed their familys with redacted archives. Also theoretically nsa is most powerful.
Kayden Lewis
Everyone makes the analogies to the Roman Empire, but America is going the way of the Republic. All that's left is one charismatic general to turn us into a true empire.
Austin Perez
You cannot really talk about the "west" because (((democracy))) broke our civilization so much that there are now two West : The progressive west The true west
And even tho the "west" would disappear, it just means our civilization just left western Europe and North America to go to Eastern Europe. That's just how the things are. Western civ is not a classic civilization like we knew before christianity, or islam.
It's a civilization that impregnates differents european people, and when they are done, other europeans hold her, even further in history. Since Athens this civ exists. It's not because western europe and US are falling that this civ falls. We already saw that before. From Athens to Rome From Rome to the Frank empire From Frank empire to Western Europe From Western Europe to the US From Western Europe/US to Eastern Europe.
Jace Miller
Fun fact: People said america was declining before Reagan took over.
Aaron Flores
There were, of course, more obvious economical and political issues but still in some cases you are right.
Andrew Reyes
>tfw Ancapistan will become real
Ayden Martinez
>implying that you wont just balkanise and have decades of conflict
Xavier Reed
No, the Roman Empire lasted for hundred of years, it changed alot during this time-span. Everything you have mentioned is true, but it wasn't a series of "stages", it wasn't chronological in it's decline. For instance, Rome started out as pagan, then it became Christian. By the time of the Collapse, most people in the Empire was Christian. Another example, most of the stories of Romes degeneracy - is from the middle periode, the degeneracy declined in the later periodes..
Rome collapsed primarily because most of the people in the Empire - was not roman. At first they could successfully control the local tribes, because of their superior equipment and armies (composed of Italians/Actual Romans). As time progressed, the various areas within the Roman empire increased in strengt, their equipment increased in quality, their officers was trained and on pair with actual Roman officers. In the end, they were to powerful for Rome to control and any disobedience was overlooked.
Jaxson Nelson
TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH AND NO MORE CHEAP GRAD SCHOOL SO YOU CAN FIGURE OUT HOW FUCKED THINGS ARE
Nathaniel Campbell
>These are the stages of moral decline in Rome. Notice any parallels? Yes. Once the Republic became morally devoid and civil war became imminent, a strong leader stepped in and created the Empire.
Adrian Long
THEY WERE RIGHT
Sebastian Morales
Exactly. I can finally achieve my dream of becoming an arms merchant.
Dylan Sanders
I wouldn't mind making an empire.
Xavier Collins
>main driver is supplemented by mass mobilizatio >mass mobilizatoin >main driver >mass driver So you wuz saying. Can't account for $4 trillion. That we wuz. Giant black budget. Breakaway civilizations and sheeit?
David Brown
Americas actually in pretty good shape at this moment.
Jose Morgan
>Wanting more shit skins in your nation. That's where you're wrong kiddo. If we make an empire we should just take over the entire solar system.
Asher Richardson
we would need robot soldiers. we don't have the numbers. even the Chinese don't.
Isaiah White
The only solution seems to be revolt and balkanization then
Lucas Sullivan
Make more white babies.
Landon Nguyen
America has been an empire since at least 1945 if not earlier
William Hernandez
Agreed and nice digs.
Gavin Brown
The beginning of the end was Jew worship and Abrahamism.
The great thinkers and architects were Helenistic Pagans at the dawn and height of the empire, and this polytheism allowed for Rome to expand. Pantheons were incorporated and syncretized across the Empire.
Christianity tuned into absolutism.
Asher Reed
Sauce?
Carson Morales
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Jaxson Nelson
Wont matter if they stay degenerate.
Camden Bailey
We are actually a spread between 5 thru 7, quickly leaving 5 and moving into 7 atm.
Aaron Ramirez
>Notice any parallels? no I'd take hordes of Vandals over niggers any day
Aiden Cruz
Even if you and I didn't have any part in making those decisions, we're aware of what's going on and the most we do to stop it is talking about it on Sup Forums.
Aiden Rogers
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Ayden Rodriguez
We've already been invaded bro
Bentley Powell
14, please god, i been a good boy, doin them good things, jesus, let me suck on those tits and btfo that pussy, in jesus name i pray, amen
John Hernandez
If the US does fall, then we need to take the opportunity to take some nukes to bomb Israel, soros family, and rothchild family.
Carter Fisher
Cringe
Matthew Bennett
trump is more like sulla
Nathan Evans
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Jaxson Smith
they'll just run drugs and guns like they do any other day
Luis Smith
>this gullible son of a bitch doesn't know about the CIA doing business with narcos and african dictators NSA may have power within US but outside of it it's a different story
Jayden Carter
Rome collapsed for centuries, America will be nuked by NK in no time.
Henry Green
Pfft.
Wyatt Robinson
Stop shilling (((publications))). Archive or kill yourself, please.
Hunter Sanchez
This. It's a war of migration and breeding. Not all unlike how Rome let barbarians move into the borderlands and settle.
Evan Campbell
>barred jews forever. Couldn't agree more laddie
Owen Allen
What I think is incredible is how they've kept it hidden for so long. That's changing now but damn I had no clue my nation was about to disappear until last year.
Lucas Cruz
>Praying to Jesus for sin
Lincoln Mitchell
>People said america was declining before Reagan took over. >1960s turned all hot maidens into cock carousel roasties >1970s everybody got divorced from the roasties. Feminism was born.
America WAS declining before Reagan. I was there.
Cameron Powell
Didn't the blonde population tank due to mixing too?
Jonathan Phillips
>Finally, unbelief in God became more complete Didn't the collapse of Roman coincide with the spread of monotheism and a belief in God?
Robert Mitchell
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?
This is not what happened, or if it happened it was:
1)Not the norm 2)Not even so relevant in terms of what killed the empire
Juan Fisher
You are correct, OP is a faggot who is trying hard to force an analogy between the USA and Rome
