Is this the best thing that came out of the anime medium as a whole?

Is this the best thing that came out of the anime medium as a whole?

no this is

Nope, the best thing to come out of anime is elvish pornography.

That isn't even the best ghibli film you double nigger

Are you a Disney shill or something? Mononoke isn't even the best Ghibli film, that would be Nausicaa.

without a doubt, it's these two. The both of them.
+All Satoshi Kon films
+Nichijou
the rest can be thrown out for all I care.

>Nausicäa
It's okay but the characters start not making sense and why the fuck would the insect start caring about a single human when they are furiously heading off to destroy them? The ending is just one rushed nonsense. Having the Spirit of the Forest becoming a mass of death upon losing its head made much more sense metaphorically speaking, and the situation with the characters was much clearer.

shit taste. Mononoke was a better Nausica in every way

Satoshi Kon > Miyazaki

One of the best, yes.

>Mononoke
>better than anything
Awful dialogues
Awful plot
Zero character development
MC is screaming retard with weird motivations
Main girl is soulless doll
"Love" is joke
Character interaction is joke

Mononoke is brainless poor's man Nausicaa: Holywood Action Edition and worst Ghibli. I will never understand why this shit is popular so much.

Yes.

I love Mononoke, and many other anime works. But in all cases, they don't hold up against Evangelion

Porco Rosso is so damn good. It's too bad Miyazaki hates it.

10/10

OP needs to go back to Sup Forums. Everyone else needs to go back to Sup Forums.

Do i watch Akira tonight? Or is there something better?

Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann is the greatest anime ever made.

>is there something better?
Nope. Akira is the pinnacle of Japanese animation. Watch it only if you're willing to accept that everything you see afterwards will pale in comparison.

This.

Pretty sure Flip Flappers exist

I think we can agree that the best years of anime are already behind us. With that said, are there still truly good anime released, say, in the last 5 years? And I don't mean "good on an anime scale", I mean "good on the whole cinematography scale".

I thought Miyazaki was a meme until I saw Mononoke Hime.
It's my second favorite Ghibli, just barely behind Marnie.

It had a few good episodes, overall it's not that great.

If you're a really boring and easily impressed art student. Then yeah.

That's not Cowboy Bebop.

Yes, among others.

CGDCT

the only good anime ever made is Lucky Star

>And I don't mean "good on an anime scale", I mean "good on the whole cinematography scale".

>Totoro
>Chihiro
Even on the scale of Ghibli movies, Kiki easily surpasses them.

Posting this should be a bannable offense.

Not even the best Ghibli show so It can't be.

Sure

Not even close niggerino

I didn't mention either of them. I just want the crossboarders to leave.

A mix of pretentious arthouse bullshit, a swathe of shows from an era where Japs just copied Western cartoons, and a few good films. is unironically better than anything on that list except maybe Akira/Grave of the Fireflies.

Naw, all of Studio Ghibli's films are essentially just Miyazaki telling us his political opinions in animated form, which kinda leads to his movies looking more like lectures than actual films. If I wanted that then I'd go watch Ferngully or something.

>poptimism

Firstly you're trying too hard to be anti-art, secondly you can bet that K-On! would be on the list if it were remade today.

>I've only seen nausicaa the post
nice

That's cute. You're cute.

Whatever the fuck you're talking about, Hidamari Sketch is also a more worthwhile watch than all but about five or six anime on that chart.

K-On is better then Jin-Roh?

this is the Sup Forums I know

Ferngully is legit

>I didn't mention either of them. I just want the crossboarders to leave.
Look out Sup Forumsnon, evil people are invading your safe space!

I'm not "anti-art", I'm merely against that which attempts to be pretentious and esoteric above all else (i.e. about half the list).

The rest of the list also reeks of bias towards Western animation and against the features which make anime distinct; World Masterpiece Theater can barely be called anime and the fucking children's animal cartoons being on there are beyond parody.

It's certainly better than fucking PUSS IN BOOTS

Mononoke is everything he wanted to say in Naussica, buy refined.

Also, Naussica has all the marks of a too literal manga adaptation. The amount to which Naussica talks to herself and exposits for the audience is ridiculous.

The movies are tied in terms of setting and Naussica's music is just as good as Journey to the West from PM, especially when Hisaishi did that live concert of all his music.

Problem with both is that both English and Japanese actors ham it up when Miyazaki has them spout Greenpeace slogans. mononoke happens to have fewer cringe lines. "I don't wanna be a demon!" Sounds off in both languages.

Naussica does have probably the tightest english cast of any Ghibli Dub.

> Luke Skywalker, Picard, and Adama in the same movie

Mononoke's dub is good too, but the main characters can't hippie yell convincingly, and are out a few by the supporting cast. Even Thornton does a good job despite arguably making the character sound nicer than he does in Japanese. Also, that's hardly a southern accent.

Mononoke struck me as a ferngully style movie from a neutral perspective, where industrialisation wasn't the problem, it was the pride of humanity

HEY GUYS LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT TALKING ABOUT DUBS LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Nothing on there is pretentious or esoteric, although I could see how it might appear that way to someone who doesn't know much about animation or isn't into anime besides what's fairly new or popular in the west. What are the features that you think make anime distinct, by the way?

What I loved about Mononoke Hime was that it went beyond the "protect the enviroment" message that was in Nausicaa. Like said, it was a neutral perspective, and gave the industrialist side a more human viewpoint and not making them out to be monsters, while also not raising the forest side to be benevolent beings.

It pushed a message leaning towards co-habitability, which is really refreshing from the usual environmental messages that essentially command you to give up your current lifestyle and trying to make you feel like shit for being human.

Mononoke is unironically the best. Akira is better on a technical level, but overall Monoke is just right even for nonanimefags.

WOW GUYS THIS IS SO AMAZING AND ENTERTAINING

Reminds me of when I used to read anime reviews. Dubfag tries to talk about a film, but ends up spending half the post going on about 'epik dubbed animes'.

I take them as being different from the original work.

They're still enjoyable because Disney actually fucking hires people who can act their way out of a paper bag.

I think it comes down to whether or not you define anime as cartoons made for a Japanese audience or cartoons made for the Japanese Otaku audience.

I got into anime because directors can switch between the two styles on the fly.

By his definition your average Pixar short is pretentious.

You quoted me twice kek.

being kawaii (cute)

Ashita no Joe 2 is better than both seasons of K-On combined.

Personally my all time fav is Castle in the Sky, but I also unironically enjoyed the dub version. And not the new dub but the older disney dub with all the background chatter that was taken out of the bluray rerelease.

Trust me nigga. I'm no dubfag.

I want to put Tiffany Grant and Spike Spencer in a fucking Gulag.

Why do people feel offended by the animal movie being better than your favorite anime?

No this is.

Yoji Kuri is arguably the most important figure in the history of independent anime.

Anime to me = Japanese animation. Even if you wanted to narrow it down, the list is still of "Japanese animation." Audience is useless for defining things like that.

being important to the development of artwork is for losers who don't know how to make things people enjoy looking at

They should have kissed at the end

I found Princess Mononoke quite mediocre actually. I don't enjoy films whose message is in your face all the time and mononoke hime was exactly that which made it look really cheesy.

Shinsekai Yori on the other hand is an example of "show with a message" done right, the setting and worldbuilding were fantastic, each character had huge depth and at the end you find yourself questioning your own morals, not because the show dictated you to but because it let you apply your own beliefs on the matter. Trully an underappreciated masterpiece.

He was important because he made things people enjoyed looking at.

>animators
>people

Me too, What I mean is that you can tell when something is made to appeal to Japanese normies and when something is straight up pandering to Otaku. Nothing wrong with either of those approaches. I enjoy Evangelion because it has things to say to adults, kids, and manchilden like myself, all at the same time. It can switch between all three approaches to whiplash the audience.

I think people crying about the message are turboautists.

About half the things on there were not made for any audience other than the people who made them and a narrow slice of pretentious fuckwits who think that something being sufficiently esoteric and devoid of entertainment makes it good.

If you want something which is intelligent without being overly pretentious or esoteric, and still manages to be entertaining (though something being enjoyable to look at or able to make you laugh probably makes you very uncomfortable), and isn't a sad attempt to copy Disney: pic related.

You didn't take me for some normalfag dipshit who only watches popular battle shounens, did you?

How old were you when you realized "entertainment" was a Jewish trick? 21 here

Like I said, anti-art.

If it is, then God bless the Jews.

Why don't you quote me you little faggot?

Turboautist.

Fuck it backfired

>About half the things on there were not made for any audience other than the people who made them.

Thats pretty much what art IS my man. A message or description that comes out of a person. It can be good or bad, it doesn't really matter.

Which isn't to say your pic can't be good, I would never say that, you're the one insisting that arthouse can't be good.

I'm the kind of person who just decided to rewatch Angel's Egg last night because I moved into a house with a sick ass projector.

you're dumb and stupid if you think art hasn't been gay nerd bullshit since martin luther ended christianity

なるほど ...

By your presumably very narrow and autistic definition of art; maybe I am!

I may have been too sweeping in my judgement. May have just been irked by the overwhelming majority of that list being taken up by either said arthouse films or Miyazaki. There are others (like Astro Boy or the original Gundam) that I personally dislike but whose importance I can readily acknowledge.

How can you justify recognizing the importance of Astro Boy and Gundam and then complain about Toei movies and WMT being on the list?

because fuck you I won't do what you tell me

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Literature came to its logical conclusion with the publication of William Gaddis's J R in 1975. There is no reason to continue reading in the 21st century.

1998 Adult Swim is calling. You should go back there.

This mononoke is normie trash

YES

Just rewatched Lain to show it to my roommates, much better now that I'm older.

>le space politics bros xD
reddit the show

>better in every way
name 4 (four) ways

>Malazan Book of the Fallen
>Jim Butcher still writing
>Haven't read all of Asimov yet

I'mma keep reading.

Is French anime technically even anime? I know some of it was produced in Japan and had some Japanese people working on it despite airing on French TV.

Eva is undisputed best girl.

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That's not Aria the Origination

Why are there so many threads about this all of a sudden?

I think it re-aired in american cinemas or something. I'm not sure.

50 year old Japanese stop-motion puppet animation is esoteric by pretty much any standards, and just because Kawamoto is respected doesn't change that.

wow she's ripped

Lmfao no not even clooose

Shit req thread, bad Sup Forums no respond

How is this a req thread