If Marxists were against idpol (feminism, 68 gender identities, race-mixing, immigration, open borders, etc...

If Marxists were against idpol (feminism, 68 gender identities, race-mixing, immigration, open borders, etc.) and for tradition would Sup Forums still hate them?

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If they were against open borders, immigration and feminism they would not Marxists anymore

they're still commies, so yes

>>If marxists weren't marxists...

I am an anti-capitalist right winger so I already kind of see their point, but their endgoal is still turning humanity into an undifferentiated beige pile of culturally homogenized, deracinated, historyless, androgynous layabouts just kind of stagnating at the end of history. I'm categorically against that part of it.

Why are you against communism?

Feminism, open borders, and fag marriage have nothing to do with Marxism. Real Marxists are nationalists who support traditional values.

Marx was right about the symptoms, he just prescribed the wrong medication

I would still hate them because they're economically illiterate. All comm*nists deserve to hang

Explain.

Yes because while you have your face stuffed in the horredusly flawed ideas of Marx, and your babbling on about "muh means of productuon". The smart people on pol/ will be praising the genius of the American Constitution and The Federalist Papers

Are you fucking retarded? Have you ever read Marx at all?
Marx was extremely anti nationalist and pro borders, was the first globalist. The communist manifesto literally ends with "workers of the world unite". Marx believed nationalism was just a way for the rich to divide the workers and stop them from uniting against the capitalists. That is why he was so much for free trade and open borders, to unite the workers through globalism. In the communist manifesto he touches the issue of feminism as well, and believed women were oppressed by their husbands and that is why he was against traditional marriage and the family all together(He saw children as oppressed by their parents). He even fucking supported animal's rights, that just shows you how much of a hippy he was. I'll give you the fag marriage shit, but he was against marriage all together.
Read Marx instead of just cock riding Stalin

They would also have to believe that equality is a false god which would make them, y'know, not marxists.

>if marxists werent marxist would pol still hate them
probably

Marx only said "workers of the world unite" because he believed capital would eventually even out between all countries. That didn't happen, and as you can tell from history nearly all socialist movements that have ever existed have been nationalist and racialist. Even in Latin America the socialist parties are full of indigenous peoples who want whitey to leave their lands as part of their politics.

>would Sup Forums still hate them?
Why would we hate ourselves?

Marx was a subversive faggot and you’re just a faggot.

Dialectical reasoning is the most Jewish thought process imaginable.

Still commies so yes. I would still hate them more than anything else in this horrid universe.

Economic freedom is the basis for liberty.

Most Marxists today reject dialectics and there's nothing Jewish about dialectics as a method. Plato wasn't Jewish and neither was Hegel.

>if people who created the inherent equality meme were against the construct that they created to weaponize that meme to destroy civilization, would Sup Forums still hate them?

Yes, because Marxists still believe in shitty fairy-tale "WE WILL MAKE EVERYONE EQUAL BY DESTROYING EVERYTHING IN THE PROCESS" nonsense that appeals only to the lazy and the retarded.

All commies should kill themselves now, they're just taking up space and wasting oxygen.

>HURR IF WE HATED RAPING KIDS AS MUCH AS YOU DO WOULD YOU STILL HATE US?
What a stupid fucking arguing point. Please, go back to your retarded, kike ideology.

Marxism isn't about "making everyone equal". It's about socializing the means of production so (((capitalists))) can't exploit you.

equality is a false god in all aspects of life. marxism was made up by some random fucking kike with as little experience with how the natural world works as possible. in real life people aren't equal and thats a good thing.

Engels literally wrote a dialectics of nature.

If Marxism were pro-white, instead of actually pro-white genocide, there would probably be somewhat of a movement towards it.
> Allow Christianity
> Allow white countries to remain white and proud of it, even expand
One might actually find themselves on the winning side of arguments at that point. What do you mean, "Marxists" though? Europe is already heavily Socialized. The destruction of actual currency hinders societies from adequately working because the government can't properly analyze supply and demand

>there's nothing Jewish about dialectics as a method
The modern mode of dialectics has been nearly 100% Judaized. And most Marxists only dismiss dialectics because they understand that the whole “synthesis/antithesis” approach to reason is as effective at problem solving as a trash can is at stopping a car.

Unfortunately for you faggots that is your entire basis of philosophy.

If I found a magic monkey paw, that would allow me to get rid of all the non whites, but the price would be communism, i'd use it. Because all the niggers and chinks would be gone and communism would collapse within a generation or two.

>That didn't happen, and as you can tell from history nearly all socialist movements that have ever existed have been nationalist and racialist.
And no you undertstand why commies tell us that, real communism has never been tried. What set Marxism apart from other forms of socialism is that it was internationalist, while other forms of socialism were in one state. Socialism does equal communism retard.

>The modern mode of dialectics has been nearly 100% Judaized. And most Marxists only dismiss dialectics because they understand that the whole “synthesis/antithesis” approach to reason is as effective at problem solving as a trash can is at stopping a car.

T-A-S isn't even a true Hegelian dialectic, retard. And there's nothing remotely Jewish about the method.

What the fuck are you even talking about retard

National socialists are still marxists, mussolini created fascism out of his admiration for marxism and hitler's Nazism was based on fascist and american Democratic policies.

It all leads back to Marx the main difference between a communist and a national socialist is globalism vs nationalism.

Ummm, so you mean National Socialism?

Congratulations, youre now a Nazi.

Not really north korea it's communist and they have very tight borders and I have never heard of a north korean feminist, not even something in that general area, like a north korean judo instructor.

Nazbol.

>Most Marxist today
Oh fuck off. The overwhelming majority of Marxist are nothing like you describe. Most Marxist are college-aged, socially-retarded LARPers, and the ones that aren't are just socially-retarded LARPers.

Orthodox Marxists don't engage in any extended identity politics, beyond the traditional proletariat-bourgeoisie struggle. When you look at the social policy of Eastern bloc countries, they were mostly traditional, technically speaking.

All of the things you listed there are the by-products of capitalism and western liberal democracy (the two are linked).

Yeah, starving because the elite deem that you have "enough" is a great thing.

You're fucking retarded, because once again, every attempt at communism failed and it will never, ever work, no matter how much you've made it your religion, it's still a pile of dogshit.

>HURR ITS BETTER TO BE EXPLOITED BY YOUR INTELLECTUAL SUPERIORS THAN CAPITALISTS, YOU SHOULD HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO SUCCEED BECAUSE THATS THE ONLY FAIR THING FOR EVERYONE!!!!

Kill yourself.

I'm talking about Marxists in the Third World, not first.

youtube.com/watch?v=acF93_IsMnU

If Oranges were purple, if the earth was flat...

Would you watch TV?

>that "clearly in high school and thinking french'll make me look cool" french
oh man, I had that phase too but I wasn't a commie so..

AKA cultural marxism, it's the oppressors (white men) vs the oppressed.

I know you retarded leftists are losing bigly this week, but please, stop shitting this place up with your edgy teenage idealist bullshit, it's fucking embarrassing.

Most communist governments despised identity politics, and I hate them.

>National socialists are still marxists
That is the most retarded shit I ever heard. The fact that they were Nationalist means they cant be internationalist socialists aka marxists. They also allowed private property which Marxism is completely against.
"In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property." - Marx

NatSocialism is mixed market, borrowing both from socialism and capitalism. If you are both a nationalist and you support private property then you are anti Marxist.

>mussolini created fascism out of his admiration for marxism and hitler's Nazism was based on fascist and american Democratic policies.
Mussolini was a socialist not a marxist, I won't say that Marx did not influence both Mussolini and Hitler though, but accepting some of the criticisms of capitalism by Marx as true, does not make you a Marxist.

North Korea follows an ideology called Juche, they have abandoned communism for years now, get with the times

Holy shit could this faggot cry any harder?
>Waaah, I was a little pussy bitch boi as a kid so you all need to be nice and walk on eggshells around me!

How is class identitarianism not idpol? Stupid commie

There is no difference.

NazBol is just Nazism with a new, more "politically correct" makeover.

Basically
>See! We have a Hammer and Sickle in our logo! We cant be Nazis haha!

Yeah sure, Hitler ended up embracing Capitalism in the end, but like the CCP of China, the core Socialist tenets still stand.

Both the Nazis and NazBol at their cores are socially far right, and fiscally far left.

So tell me then, what are the differences you personally see between the two? And why do you personally feel better suited identifying as Left Wing instead of Right Wing?

I live in Québec.

Stay on /leftyfag if you can’t come up with better dialogue.

Explain how dialectics are "Jewish."

North Korea is Juche- which is essentially North Korean National Socialism. They havent been full blown Communist for decades.

Your argument was literally "you are faggot lol" fuck off retard

>Real Marxists are nationalists
No. those are Nazis aka National socialists.
Marx's cry was "Workers of the world, unite"
Which is why national socialism came about, in that they disagreed with Marx's globalist views and saw them as idealistic, but were too stupid to see how flawed his other points of view were, thus they named themselves National socialists and started implimenting state socialism for the express benefit of natural german citizens.

Friendly reminder that all socialists deserve to be thrown from helicopters.

>I WAS TALKING ABOUT SHIT-WORLDERS EVEN THOUGH I GAVE NO INDICATION THAT I WAS
>Links some stupid fucking video by the premiere, fat, retarded neckbeard that is Jason Unruhe
You're a child and I'm not watching your retarded, indoctrinating bullshit. Grow up.

Marx’s method of dialects is based solely on the continual pushing of social boundaries in which the the synthesis is just a blurred border where the argument used to stand. And it continues on and on and on with no objective truth except for those that spew the division.

I can’t think of a more divide and conquer scheme than that.

What's wrong with Jason Unruhe? He's a good comrade who rejects idpol and is pretty much all around NazBol.

Also, this board doxxed him a few years ago and made death threats to his mother. Meaning, he doesn't come on here.

>Jason Unruhe

ironic, the dude has a rich family in burlington ontario (easily the most wealthy city in ontario) and was a NEET for a long time, yet he supprots third world trotskyism

I know people that bullied him in aldershot highschool, kek

>YOU NEED TO ADHERE MY RULES OF DISCUSSION WHEN ARGUING DURR

Your argument was literally “what the fuck are you talking about,” you retard.

wow you make a really good point, please take all my property and throw me in a gulag so we can defeat the transgender menace

His sister lives in Burlington with her husband and stepdaughter. Roo lives in Welland which is a shithole.

>Good comrade
You have absolutely no self-awareness. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Ah, then he finally left his parents place.

Last time I heard, he was living in is parents basement near aldershot highschool.
He effectively refused to work for a long time, I guess getting a stable income and not leaching off your family is bourgeois

His mother still lives in Welland. The address on his doxx is his mother's.

>Arguing why Marxism supports globalism, feminism and open borders and uses Marx to back it up
>Lol marx was a faggot and so are you, muh dialectical reasoning
Can you now see why I ask what the fuck you were talking about dumbass That had nothing to do what so ever with what I was talking about

>he's still leeching off his mother, but after she likely had to downsize as she got older

It's not that I don't feel bad for people like this. You just can't give them any compassion about this ridiculous, cultish shit, or it gives them leeway. They'll all grow out of it with time. You will too, OP.

I agree. Marx supported all those sympathies. Which is exactly why I called him a faggot.

You know him?

I hate marxists more than marxism

These poor fucking kids. These are the exact types that got the worst of it in highschool.

The foundation of marx's criticisms of capitalism is his labor theory of value; there isn't one type of Marxist but if you give credence to unfounded contrived premises like labor theory of value or notions of innate privileges/oppression/disadvantages then you prescribe to Marxism.

Marxism is a paradigm of thought that precedes many political and social ideologies.

National socialism is Marxist despite whether or not they allow private property.

Sorta, I went to the same highschool as him but was one year above him.

He would argue with teachers and had a super egotistical attitude that made kids bully him and people avoid him.
He either never finished school or changed schools because I didn't see him eventually.

I know the most infamous story about him was he used one of his youtube videos in a class, and effectively made his classmates/teacher sit through it

I'd say more gossip but aside from being opinionated in class he had zero social presence

If this sounds like any of you, you should probably not let esoteric politics from the internet overtake your ability to hold general conversations and restrain yourself

Is his real last name really Caden?

Marxism is FAR WORSE than any of those other things. I would choose 68 genders over a world of starvation, dictatorship and nuclear war without hesitation.

How old is he? I want to know because you said he used a YT vid of his in class, yet I've been told by /leftypol/ he's in his late 30s (way too old to have used YT for high school).

Yes

Kys

>If Marxists weren't Marxists would Sup Forums still hate them?

No they didn’t. If they genuinely would’ve had some social checking they wouldn’t have been socially permitted to act like the faggots they are now.

>yet I've been told by /leftypol/ he's in his late 30s

Try late 20's, he was in grade 11 when he started making videos, I actually don't know if he had the same shtick as he has now, but he's been doing it for a long time.

Feminism and faggotry have nothing to do with communism.

shortly after this pic was taken...

>If this sounds like any of you, you should probably not let esoteric politics from the internet overtake your ability to hold general conversations and restrain yourself
This is the truth. Everyone had kids like this in their highschool. They're egotistical assholes and nearly impossible to like, but they're seen as more pathetic than anything. I hope he grows up.

You really should learn the history of marxist thought before you say stupid shit like this. Neo-marxism is very different than more nationalistic, traditional formations.

Step up your fucking game anons.

If the 68 gender crew were time traveled back to Stalin's Russia they'd find themselves promptly marched up against a wall and shot.

No idiot nazis were the capitalists

Hating capitalism and calling it out for the disadvantafges and oppression it creates is Marxism? You are pretty fucking ignorant dude.
Marxism is an ideology, and Marx shows us how to achieve it. Stop trying to paint as some philosophy that says anything that calls out oppression is marxism. This is really some of thew dumbest shit I read all day

Why would he lie about his age though? He also looks way closer to 40 than 30.

>Feminism
Which type? Dictionary definition "men and women are equal" or modern interpretation "definitions are evil, so it's whatever I damn well please, even if it's kill all men"?

why does he go by an alias?
why does he tell people he's financially independent and working class when he's a neet that cant hold a part time job at cineplex?
why does he leech off his boomer mother in welland if he cares about the worker so much?
why would DBZ be so culturally important to him as a 37 year old when it aired on canadian television for the first time in the early 2000's?

We dislike you not (only) for your tactics, but rather your principles on economics, personal freedom and many more fundamentals.
You are not my peer, and can never be so long as you wear that red fucking shirt. It used to be legal to kill people like you. I'm not ashamed to admit I miss the old days.

Have you read his autobiography? /leftypol/ was sharing it around for a while. In it, he says he worked as a security guard in a major Niagara region hospital and almost went full Rambo several times due to his anger. Pic related is a screenshot.

No. Marxism in every case has instituted a new ruling class of party officials, while destroying the old system of built up checks and balances.

It is not a classless system, but all the more opressive for pretending to be one.

There will always be leaders among men, pretending they do not exist and throwing away the leashes is foolishness in the extreme.

From a natsoc's perspective what oppression and disadvantages does capitalism create and how does it create it? I honestly cannot conceive of a criticism that is not premised from a Marxist paradigm.

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You can ask leftypol to provide the actual PDF.

danke