"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." - Jeremiah 10:2
God clearly has a problem with this practice, and yet not only do we do it, but we do it in celebration of christ!
I'm also pretty sure that the placing of gifts at the base is supposed to symbolize offers to the tree.
A Christmas tree is not an idol crafted of wood like in Jeremiah 10, you'd be better off making this argument against displaying a crafted nativity scene but then the misreading you're making would be more apparent
Decorating does not constitute worship
William Jenkins
Shut up
Ayden Lewis
Taking an action that god specifically says he doesnt like, and then doing it, and claiming its ok, sounds so jewish.
Nolan Ross
Jeremiah is old testament which Christians aren't supposed to follow retard.
Jaxon Morgan
>A tree is not made of wood.
Liam Rogers
>Taking an action that god specifically says he doesnt like, and then doing it Which fortunately isn't happening. So it's all good.
Jason Garcia
Only specific amendments made by jesus, negate certain teachings of the old testament. I pray that you'll learn to follow the word. God decree thou shall not kill in the old testament. Should we jettison that because it was the old test? No.
James Gonzalez
(You) are right
(You) are a retard.
We don't decorate Christmas Trees and worship them. We decorate Christmas trees because they're pretty and make us think of Jesus when we see them.
Cooper Turner
He doesn't like taking trees, bringing them inside and decorating them. I don't question god. I just follow. Remember, no where in the bible is celebrating chistmas even mentioned, the entire practice is actually non sanctioned.
Jace James
Nigger, the Old Testament is not legit. It was interpolated by the Devil, which we know since Christ himself said that the Devil was the Jews' father, and Jews wrote the Old Testament.
Kevin Diaz
You have to worship an idol for it to be an idol. A Christmas tree has never been an object of worship.
Leo Kelly
I'm pretty sure God doesn't give a fuck if we set up a tree in our house with some lights on it.
Justin Ortiz
You have more theological errors than OP had.
Robert Jackson
If God doesn't like my christmas tree then God can fuck off
Cameron Ortiz
And anyway, notice "God" if that is who is actually talking here in this questionable source, did not call Christmas trees evil. He said they were neither good nor evil, just a vain custom, at least as it pertains to Jews.
Justin Bailey
>We decorate Christmas trees because they're pretty and make us think of Jesus when we see them Where in the bible does god mention doing this? Because I know it mentions not doing it. I don't take my chances with man made concepts of christianity. Only gods word.
Ryan Myers
According to the Catholic Church, perhaps, but I am not a Catholic. The Old Testament was written by Jews, who Christ said in the New Testament were the children of the Devil. Prove me wrong.
Jonathan Green
>idol: object made specifically to represent a God
>Christmas tree does not represent God or a godc but is simply a holiday decoration
An apostle (can't remember their name so shut the fuck up) once was approached by a group of worried Christians. New pagan converts were still practicing pagan festivals. He told them it was good. Many cultures reject Christ because they feel it is trying to repaced their culture or ban it. By allowing them to assimilate and combine their traditions with their religion, they are able to combine the new religion with their old culture and keep the feeling of being a part of their community.
Orf I mean I guess you could tell everyone with a none Christian culture to only do it your way orf they can go fuck themselves. Driving people away from Christ that way instead of inviting in works too.
Andrew Ward
OP I agree. Christianity culturaly proriated pagan trees from the god Saturn.
95% of Christians are angering God in the month of December.
Jeremiah Moore
What? Jesus said he came to teach to law (Torah), not abolish it. Christianity dosent even make sense without the old testament. Where is the stupidity coming from?
Dominic Kelly
He said "do not do as they". Yet you do as they. He doesn't mention the need to not worship it there. Its a given. He says don't bring it in and decorate it. I dont want to piss on people's fun. Me and my senpai did it forever, but now we dont. If you really believe in god, why risk his wrath for a tree?
Isaiah Allen
Let's examine your source, considering virtually every edition of the Bible uses the common "chisel" and not the "axe" the author claims is the actual translation.
>The International Children's Bible does not want poor little Christian children of being involved with the fun of celebrating the pagan holiday like their non-Christian classmates, so they presented it this way:
>"The customs of other people are worth nothing. Their idols are nothing but wood from the forest. They are made by a worker with his chisel..."
>In order to force this obscuration of the verse they deceive their readers by translating "matsad", meaning axe, as chisel. A wooden idol may be chiseled, but not cut down with an axe as a tree is. What conniving snakes!
Try to read that and tell me it makes sense. It's full of typos and sentences that don't make sense. This is their fucking evidence for saying Christmas trees aren't Christian.
There's no reason you can't celebrate Christmas with gifts then pack your little ones up for Christmas service after like my parents did and my grandparents did before them.
Gabriel Brown
Im not Riman Catholic either. What does that have to do with anything? If you think the Old Testament is a work of Satan you are a heretic. The Old Testament has always been viewed as the word of God by all Christian denominations.
Jackson Rodriguez
>Old Testament Nope, Christ is the new covenant *eats bacon and mixed fiber clothing*.
Adrian Peterson
You're a nigger.
Lincoln Gomez
He reportedly - REPORTEDLY - said that to the Jews, because Jews were constantly falling into idol worship in a repetitive cycle.
The Old Testament was superceded. The covenant with gentiles is the New Testament. Where in the New Testament does God tell us not to have a Christmas tree? Nowhere. That's because Gentiles are better behaved and loyal, not treacherous like the children of the Devil.
Landon Clark
Lol, Jesus obviously was not talking about Christmas trees in that passage.
Jaxon Hughes
>He doesn't like taking trees, bringing them inside and decorating them. Nothing against that, though. It's just the idol worship you keep omitting. Almost like you know that destroys your shitpost. > I just follow. And you don't even do that well. >Remember, no where in the bible is celebrating chistmas even mentioned, You should read the NT. It's right near the start.
Angel Cooper
Tpbp
Jace Murphy
Nope. Protestants do not recognize the Old Testament as the truth.
Jack Ward
>God delivers Torah as a guide. >God later sends another messenger to tell people not to follow that shit. Dumb burgers.
Nathan Johnson
Everything about Christmas is a ripoff of pagan practices. Christ's birthday was originally celebrated in the summer, but was changed to Dec 25 to be just before the Winter Solstice (aka Yule). The pagans celebrated Yule for thousands of years by decorating trees, exchanging presents, having a big feast, and singing Yule songs. Thor rode through the sky on a magic wagon pulled by two goats (Thunder and Lightning, aka Donner und Blitzen) and brought presents to the good children.
Andrew Rivera
Jews, who are the children of the Devil and Christ said they were liars, wrote the Old Testament. So what part of the Old Testament do you niggers think you are supposed to be following? You have to use common sense when dealing with the Old Testament. You know what is right and what is wrong.
Noah Edwards
Kys
Kevin Ramirez
What? Why does every protestant Bible include the Old Testament? Why does Jesus quote it? Your a special kind of stupid. I really hope Im arguing with a small child that is just too ignorant to know better.
Find me a Protestant theological school, of any denomination, that refutes the old testament.
Blake Bailey
That's Old Testament, OP. It's for the Jews. Christ fulfilled the law and died for all sin on the cross, thus freeing us from "the ministry of death" which is what Paul called the Old Testament laws. Sure Christmas has pagan roots, but it doesn't send you to hell - and it's been CHRISTIANIZED.COM. >inb4 Christ said he didn't come to destroy the law Duh - of course he didn't - you can't fulfill something if you destroy it. But after the cross everything changes. All we have to do is believe (John 3:16) - faith is what saves us, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9).
Ryan Brown
fuck off cunt
Jason King
>leaf >entire country cucked out of its goddamned mind >current PM a product of old school cuckoldry
Shut up cuck. Your entire country is full of cucks. Canada was a complete fucking mistake.
Angel Jenkins
I'd argue it's a cultural/traditional thing that doesn't have any semblance to the pagan worship you allude to, thus it's no big deal.
Andrew Morris
What passage are you even quoting? Where does Jesus say the Old Testament was written by satan?
Owen Brown
NEVER in the bible, is the act of marking and celebrating christmas mentioned. I dont over parse the word of god to come to conclusions that satisfy me. I follow it the best i can according to the word itself. He specifically seems displeased by bringing in a tree and decorating it. The new testament does not nullify the old!
READ MATHEW 5:17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose"
Henry Rivera
matthew 5:17 "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose"
Chase Rogers
sounds like saint patrick
William Martin
>Everything about Christmas is a ripoff of pagan practices. Except for the Christian parts, you mean? >but was changed to Dec 25 to be just before the Winter Solstice Yup. Because we don't know the correct date, so it was just a way to edge out the barbarians. >exchanging presents, Like Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh? >having a big feast, Hardly restricted to any culture. That's how everyone celebrated everything. >and singing Yule songs. See above. >Thor rode through the sky on a magic wagon pulled by two goats Let's not confuse the Santa crap with Christmas.
>NEVER in the bible, is the act of marking and celebrating christmas mentioned. So?
Gabriel Miller
>no semblance "fasten it still, deck with silver and gold"
Isaac Bell
Step one: Name one historian who says Jesus was white Step two: Explain why you're a shit skin worshipping cuck Step three: Stop appropriating Paganism into your cuckold degenerate bullshit culture and kill yourself you subhumans race traitor
Dylan Hill
Noone genuinely believes in christianity. At the very VERY most they believe and practice chistianity lite. Its embarrassing.
Carson Smith
Fuck off shill. The Vatican has been erecting Christmas trees since 1982.
Andrew Williams
You're retarded. The christmas tree is not an idol like is being described in the bible. It is a pagan tradition, I'll admit, but it carries no religious significance for the average christian. It's merely a tradition to make your house look nice for a couple weeks.
Kevin Lee
(pro-tip you won't be able to achieve step 1, which takes you to step two)
Caleb Richardson
This is true. I find it harder and harder to celebrate.
Isaac Nguyen
Wrong. That's talking about making totems. People have always brought plants into their homes.
Brayden White
Stop trying to destroy western civilization leaf
Carson Cooper
What if I have a bunch of magnets instead of christmas tree, does it anger God?
John Scott
I already refuted this. He did not abolish it because he first had to fulfill it - which was when he died as a sacrifice on the cross, something that had been prefigured in the Passover event, where the blood of the lamb "covered" the Hebrews from the plague of death in Egypt. The veil in the Temple was torn - the way to God is now open without laws and other hindrances (Hebrews 4:16).
Brody Edwards
Dumbass, it has to include the Old Testament so people understand the history and typologies in the New Testament, but the OT is not regarded as truth or binding on gentiles. I come from generations of conservative Protestants and the Old Testament was specifically stated not to apply.
Define white. Remember, Palestine of that period had been conquered and colonised by Greeks, Assyrians, and Romans for quite a while. Not to mention the Phoenicians who had been there even longer.
Isaiah Scott
>So? its a construct of man, not god. We spend time shopping and partying and act like we're celebrating christ. It sounds like something (((they))) would love us to keep doing.
Kevin Collins
This is so stupid Why was God just fucking with you the first time?
Jackson Brooks
Jesus said that Jews are the children of the Devil and they lie just like their father (and also murder).
Logan Fisher
lol enjoy hell bro. THat's a jewish lie. The only thing that doesn't apply is a few things like "burn an animal in sacrifice" or "cut the tip of your dick off" you still have to kill the homos.
Luke Foster
>(((Jeremiah)))
Sebastian Walker
Find one historian who says he's European You won't be able to
Carter Howard
What part of "the old covenant was superceded" do you not understand? Are gentiles pissing off God because we don't circumcise too?
Josiah Butler
>christianity is bad because it is just paganism >but it was invented by jews to take us away from paganism >but it is paganism
Jaxon Morales
Nope. The Jews fucked it up the first time.
Matthew Wilson
this is why I'm not a christian.
2nd commandment is pretty clear about statues and crosses being sinful. Any kind of iconography is arguably a sin against god. And I reject that entirely. though it's fun to think about why it might be
Thomas Garcia
the more you come to terms that Jesus wasn't born on Christmas and its more to deal with the Pagan Winter Solstice festival. the easier you'll sleep at night.
Ethan Rogers
This is highly heretical. You are denying the word of God and his covenants you should be inheriting as a Christian.
Leo Howard
This. The Old Testament is where we see the promise-plan of God unfolding in history. Christians are not bound by the laws of Moses. They only got those harsh, strict laws because they boasted in Exodus they could do all God could ask of them. God requires perfection - which is impossible, thus 1500 years of failure ensued. Finally God himself intervened to fulfill the laws and free them from the "curse" of the law, which is what Paul called it in Galatians.
Jeremiah Nguyen
>being a Judaiser
Jack Campbell
>its a construct of man, not god. Technically, so is the Bible itself. Only the tablets with the Commandments were a construct of God. >We spend time shopping and partying and act like we're celebrating christ. Yes, we all despise the commercialisation of Christmas. That shit ain't new. Doesn't mean celebrating the Birth of Christ itself is wrong. Unless you're a JW or LDS wanker.
Indeed not. God has no ethnicity (or religion, for that matter). And (((you))) didn't answer my question.
Jason Murphy
>A tree is not made of wood. > Acting as if people are actually worshiping it God gave us common sense to tell the difference pedro.
Asher Wilson
Do you know what the difference between a Jew and a Christian, theologically speaking is?
Paul says plenty of times in the New Testament that the Law was only the means to understanding and showing sin. Grace by faith in Jesus is what absolves us from our transgressions and so hyping the whole, >muh pagan worship, >breaking the old covenant, doesn't bear as much weight on the Christian as it would on the Jew. Do you get what I'm saying?
"Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." -Galatians 5:2-6
Mason Smith
He wasn't fucking with us, he was making a covenant with the Jews (who then lied and broke their covenant) because they needed it the most. God isn't responsible for Satan or his children choosing to lie.
Zachary Garcia
kek
Jayden Davis
Hmm, but the le based Christian Jews got it right the second time Fucking kike worshippers
Brody Williams
What? Did you read what you just wrote before you posted it? That doesn't mean you just go and adopt heathen practices though, you syncretist accomadationist scum. Gentiles are bound by the laws given to Noah, according to basically everyone including the early church. Decoration is adoration, user, and adoration is worship. Trees killed Jesus, don't you remember? (pic related) You are a Marcionite, fyi. This.
Isaac Ortiz
after the old testiment, everyone were supposed to be gentiles basically, jews just refuse to believe in jesus, but he himself said he didnt come to negate the old laws. MATT 5:17
Christopher Wright
fuck off Jehovas witness faggot
Dylan Anderson
So now YOU are picking and choosing from the Old Testament, you just want the official Christianity to be what YOU say it is, but anyone else who does it is a heretic.
Parker Martinez
Bless you user, a lot of shills today, good to see them dismantled
Jackson Wilson
Think about what you just wrote. I mean, really think about it.
Ryder Gray
God's covenant are context-specific. The covenant he made with David, does not apply to me. The covenant made with Abraham does not apply to me. The laws of Moses were for the Jews, not for me. Basic hermeneutics teaches one to keep context in mind when reading the Bible. Just because it's recorded, doesn't mean it is 1) commanded 2) meant for you
Colton Brooks
Nice derail from the fact that no historian will say that Jesus wasn't a shit skin non-European
Kayden Young
Anything you do will be heretical, because the bible contradicts itself in what it tells you to do multiple times.
Josiah Barnes
Why do you find it harder to celebrate you fucking fag? What's wrong with that? It's European culture, unless you're a nigger, why would you dislike it?
kys
Nathan Ross
Noahic covenant, other the other hand...
Adam Smith
That's because the Europeans at that point were basically shitting in the woods and raiding one another's settlements as an exclusive passtime, unless you count the Hellenized world... But then, are you really talking about whites anymore?
Jason Cruz
You should actually read the NT it clearly says what is and isn't covered by Christ's sacrifice and I'm sorry, faggots aren't forgiven, says so multiple times.
Nathan Jackson
>Nice derail Not at all. Only an retard would measure God by human metrics. Are you that retard? Anyway, you keep avoiding my question, which obviously you know will make you look even sillier than you already do.
Oliver Young
That you're an anti-Western faggot? I know
Christmas is here to stay, fuck off if you don't like it cunt
James Reyes
thanks for the PSA jew.
Aaron Sullivan
Some of the Old Testament is authentic, and some of it is lies because it was scribed and handed down by lying Jews. By being mindlessly obedient to crap, you are being deceived by the very Devil that Christ warned you about. That's wrong. You are not supposed to do that. You are supposed to listen to your internal compass. Use your common sense. The Old Testament clearly isn't 100% moral.
Nathaniel Diaz
You get it now. Good job user.
Ayden Miller
Why risk it for a tree? What are the odds that god hates this practice, and will be totally cool with us co-opting it for a celebration of christ?
I'll leave the trees to the rest and take solace in knowing i'm living as close as I can to the bibles teachings.
There are so many real temptations to stray for the word. A tree isnt one. IMHO