If you're a christian, and you have a christmas tree, you anger god

"Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. 3* For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. 4* They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. 5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." - Jeremiah 10:2

God clearly has a problem with this practice, and yet not only do we do it, but we do it in celebration of christ!

I'm also pretty sure that the placing of gifts at the base is supposed to symbolize offers to the tree.

I've convinced my family to stop.

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you mean julfest right

A Christmas tree is not an idol crafted of wood like in Jeremiah 10, you'd be better off making this argument against displaying a crafted nativity scene but then the misreading you're making would be more apparent

Decorating does not constitute worship

Shut up

Taking an action that god specifically says he doesnt like, and then doing it, and claiming its ok, sounds so jewish.

Jeremiah is old testament which Christians aren't supposed to follow retard.

>A tree is not made of wood.

>Taking an action that god specifically says he doesnt like, and then doing it
Which fortunately isn't happening. So it's all good.

Only specific amendments made by jesus, negate certain teachings of the old testament. I pray that you'll learn to follow the word. God decree thou shall not kill in the old testament. Should we jettison that because it was the old test? No.

(You) are right

(You) are a retard.

We don't decorate Christmas Trees and worship them. We decorate Christmas trees because they're pretty and make us think of Jesus when we see them.

He doesn't like taking trees, bringing them inside and decorating them. I don't question god. I just follow. Remember, no where in the bible is celebrating chistmas even mentioned, the entire practice is actually non sanctioned.

Nigger, the Old Testament is not legit. It was interpolated by the Devil, which we know since Christ himself said that the Devil was the Jews' father, and Jews wrote the Old Testament.

You have to worship an idol for it to be an idol. A Christmas tree has never been an object of worship.

I'm pretty sure God doesn't give a fuck if we set up a tree in our house with some lights on it.

You have more theological errors than OP had.

If God doesn't like my christmas tree then God can fuck off

And anyway, notice "God" if that is who is actually talking here in this questionable source, did not call Christmas trees evil. He said they were neither good nor evil, just a vain custom, at least as it pertains to Jews.

>We decorate Christmas trees because they're pretty and make us think of Jesus when we see them
Where in the bible does god mention doing this?
Because I know it mentions not doing it. I don't take my chances with man made concepts of christianity. Only gods word.

According to the Catholic Church, perhaps, but I am not a Catholic. The Old Testament was written by Jews, who Christ said in the New Testament were the children of the Devil. Prove me wrong.

>idol: object made specifically to represent a God

>Christmas tree does not represent God or a godc but is simply a holiday decoration

An apostle (can't remember their name so shut the fuck up) once was approached by a group of worried Christians. New pagan converts were still practicing pagan festivals. He told them it was good. Many cultures reject Christ because they feel it is trying to repaced their culture or ban it. By allowing them to assimilate and combine their traditions with their religion, they are able to combine the new religion with their old culture and keep the feeling of being a part of their community.

Orf I mean I guess you could tell everyone with a none Christian culture to only do it your way orf they can go fuck themselves. Driving people away from Christ that way instead of inviting in works too.

OP I agree. Christianity culturaly proriated pagan trees from the god Saturn.

95% of Christians are angering God in the month of December.

What? Jesus said he came to teach to law (Torah), not abolish it. Christianity dosent even make sense without the old testament. Where is the stupidity coming from?

He said "do not do as they".
Yet you do as they. He doesn't mention the need to not worship it there. Its a given. He says don't bring it in and decorate it. I dont want to piss on people's fun. Me and my senpai did it forever, but now we dont. If you really believe in god, why risk his wrath for a tree?

Let's examine your source, considering virtually every edition of the Bible uses the common "chisel" and not the "axe" the author claims is the actual translation.

>The International Children's Bible does not want poor little Christian children of being involved with the fun of celebrating the pagan holiday like their non-Christian classmates, so they presented it this way:

>"The customs of other people are worth nothing. Their idols are nothing but wood from the forest. They are made by a worker with his chisel..."

>In order to force this obscuration of the verse they deceive their readers by translating "matsad", meaning axe, as chisel. A wooden idol may be chiseled, but not cut down with an axe as a tree is. What conniving snakes!

Try to read that and tell me it makes sense. It's full of typos and sentences that don't make sense. This is their fucking evidence for saying Christmas trees aren't Christian.

There's no reason you can't celebrate Christmas with gifts then pack your little ones up for Christmas service after like my parents did and my grandparents did before them.

Im not Riman Catholic either. What does that have to do with anything? If you think the Old Testament is a work of Satan you are a heretic. The Old Testament has always been viewed as the word of God by all Christian denominations.

>Old Testament
Nope, Christ is the new covenant *eats bacon and mixed fiber clothing*.

You're a nigger.

He reportedly - REPORTEDLY - said that to the Jews, because Jews were constantly falling into idol worship in a repetitive cycle.

The Old Testament was superceded. The covenant with gentiles is the New Testament. Where in the New Testament does God tell us not to have a Christmas tree? Nowhere. That's because Gentiles are better behaved and loyal, not treacherous like the children of the Devil.

Lol, Jesus obviously was not talking about Christmas trees in that passage.

>He doesn't like taking trees, bringing them inside and decorating them.
Nothing against that, though. It's just the idol worship you keep omitting. Almost like you know that destroys your shitpost.
> I just follow.
And you don't even do that well.
>Remember, no where in the bible is celebrating chistmas even mentioned,
You should read the NT. It's right near the start.

Tpbp

Nope. Protestants do not recognize the Old Testament as the truth.

>God delivers Torah as a guide.
>God later sends another messenger to tell people not to follow that shit.
Dumb burgers.

Everything about Christmas is a ripoff of pagan practices.
Christ's birthday was originally celebrated in the summer, but was changed to Dec 25 to be just before the Winter Solstice (aka Yule). The pagans celebrated Yule for thousands of years by decorating trees, exchanging presents, having a big feast, and singing Yule songs. Thor rode through the sky on a magic wagon pulled by two goats (Thunder and Lightning, aka Donner und Blitzen) and brought presents to the good children.

Jews, who are the children of the Devil and Christ said they were liars, wrote the Old Testament. So what part of the Old Testament do you niggers think you are supposed to be following? You have to use common sense when dealing with the Old Testament. You know what is right and what is wrong.

Kys

What? Why does every protestant Bible include the Old Testament? Why does Jesus quote it? Your a special kind of stupid. I really hope Im arguing with a small child that is just too ignorant to know better.

Find me a Protestant theological school, of any denomination, that refutes the old testament.

That's Old Testament, OP. It's for the Jews. Christ fulfilled the law and died for all sin on the cross, thus freeing us from "the ministry of death" which is what Paul called the Old Testament laws. Sure Christmas has pagan roots, but it doesn't send you to hell - and it's been CHRISTIANIZED.COM.
>inb4 Christ said he didn't come to destroy the law
Duh - of course he didn't - you can't fulfill something if you destroy it. But after the cross everything changes. All we have to do is believe (John 3:16) - faith is what saves us, not works (Ephesians 2:8-9).

fuck off cunt

>leaf
>entire country cucked out of its goddamned mind
>current PM a product of old school cuckoldry

Shut up cuck. Your entire country is full of cucks. Canada was a complete fucking mistake.

I'd argue it's a cultural/traditional thing that doesn't have any semblance to the pagan worship you allude to, thus it's no big deal.

What passage are you even quoting? Where does Jesus say the Old Testament was written by satan?

NEVER in the bible, is the act of marking and celebrating christmas mentioned. I dont over parse the word of god to come to conclusions that satisfy me. I follow it the best i can according to the word itself. He specifically seems displeased by bringing in a tree and decorating it. The new testament does not nullify the old!

READ MATHEW 5:17
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose"

matthew 5:17
"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose"

sounds like saint patrick

>Everything about Christmas is a ripoff of pagan practices.
Except for the Christian parts, you mean?
>but was changed to Dec 25 to be just before the Winter Solstice
Yup. Because we don't know the correct date, so it was just a way to edge out the barbarians.
>exchanging presents,
Like Gold, Frankincense, and Myrrh?
>having a big feast,
Hardly restricted to any culture. That's how everyone celebrated everything.
>and singing Yule songs.
See above.
>Thor rode through the sky on a magic wagon pulled by two goats
Let's not confuse the Santa crap with Christmas.

>NEVER in the bible, is the act of marking and celebrating christmas mentioned.
So?

>no semblance
"fasten it still, deck with silver and gold"

Step one:
Name one historian who says Jesus was white
Step two:
Explain why you're a shit skin worshipping cuck
Step three:
Stop appropriating Paganism into your cuckold degenerate bullshit culture and kill yourself you subhumans race traitor

Noone genuinely believes in christianity. At the very VERY most they believe and practice chistianity lite. Its embarrassing.

Fuck off shill. The Vatican has been erecting Christmas trees since 1982.

You're retarded. The christmas tree is not an idol like is being described in the bible. It is a pagan tradition, I'll admit, but it carries no religious significance for the average christian. It's merely a tradition to make your house look nice for a couple weeks.

(pro-tip you won't be able to achieve step 1, which takes you to step two)

This is true. I find it harder and harder to celebrate.

Wrong. That's talking about making totems.
People have always brought plants into their homes.

Stop trying to destroy western civilization leaf

What if I have a bunch of magnets instead of christmas tree, does it anger God?

I already refuted this. He did not abolish it because he first had to fulfill it - which was when he died as a sacrifice on the cross, something that had been prefigured in the Passover event, where the blood of the lamb "covered" the Hebrews from the plague of death in Egypt. The veil in the Temple was torn - the way to God is now open without laws and other hindrances (Hebrews 4:16).

Dumbass, it has to include the Old Testament so people understand the history and typologies in the New Testament, but the OT is not regarded as truth or binding on gentiles. I come from generations of conservative Protestants and the Old Testament was specifically stated not to apply.

hmmmm

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Define white. Remember, Palestine of that period had been conquered and colonised by Greeks, Assyrians, and Romans for quite a while. Not to mention the Phoenicians who had been there even longer.

>So?
its a construct of man, not god. We spend time shopping and partying and act like we're celebrating christ. It sounds like something (((they))) would love us to keep doing.

This is so stupid
Why was God just fucking with you the first time?

Jesus said that Jews are the children of the Devil and they lie just like their father (and also murder).

lol enjoy hell bro.
THat's a jewish lie. The only thing that doesn't apply is a few things like "burn an animal in sacrifice" or "cut the tip of your dick off" you still have to kill the homos.

>(((Jeremiah)))

Find one historian who says he's European
You won't be able to

What part of "the old covenant was superceded" do you not understand? Are gentiles pissing off God because we don't circumcise too?

>christianity is bad because it is just paganism
>but it was invented by jews to take us away from paganism
>but it is paganism

Nope. The Jews fucked it up the first time.

this is why I'm not a christian.

2nd commandment is pretty clear about statues and crosses being sinful. Any kind of iconography is arguably a sin against god. And I reject that entirely. though it's fun to think about why it might be

the more you come to terms that Jesus wasn't born on Christmas and its more to deal with the Pagan Winter Solstice festival.
the easier you'll sleep at night.

This is highly heretical. You are denying the word of God and his covenants you should be inheriting as a Christian.

This. The Old Testament is where we see the promise-plan of God unfolding in history. Christians are not bound by the laws of Moses. They only got those harsh, strict laws because they boasted in Exodus they could do all God could ask of them. God requires perfection - which is impossible, thus 1500 years of failure ensued. Finally God himself intervened to fulfill the laws and free them from the "curse" of the law, which is what Paul called it in Galatians.

>being a Judaiser

>its a construct of man, not god.
Technically, so is the Bible itself. Only the tablets with the Commandments were a construct of God.
>We spend time shopping and partying and act like we're celebrating christ.
Yes, we all despise the commercialisation of Christmas. That shit ain't new. Doesn't mean celebrating the Birth of Christ itself is wrong. Unless you're a JW or LDS wanker.

Indeed not. God has no ethnicity (or religion, for that matter).
And (((you))) didn't answer my question.

>A tree is not made of wood.
> Acting as if people are actually worshiping it
God gave us common sense to tell the difference pedro.

Do you know what the difference between a Jew and a Christian, theologically speaking is?

Paul says plenty of times in the New Testament that the Law was only the means to understanding and showing sin. Grace by faith in Jesus is what absolves us from our transgressions and so hyping the whole, >muh pagan worship, >breaking the old covenant, doesn't bear as much weight on the Christian as it would on the Jew. Do you get what I'm saying?

"Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love."
-Galatians 5:2-6

He wasn't fucking with us, he was making a covenant with the Jews (who then lied and broke their covenant) because they needed it the most. God isn't responsible for Satan or his children choosing to lie.

kek

Hmm, but the le based Christian Jews got it right the second time
Fucking kike worshippers

What?
Did you read what you just wrote before you posted it?
That doesn't mean you just go and adopt heathen practices though, you syncretist accomadationist scum.
Gentiles are bound by the laws given to Noah, according to basically everyone including the early church.
Decoration is adoration, user, and adoration is worship.
Trees killed Jesus, don't you remember?
(pic related)
You are a Marcionite, fyi.
This.

after the old testiment, everyone were supposed to be gentiles basically, jews just refuse to believe in jesus, but he himself said he didnt come to negate the old laws. MATT 5:17

fuck off Jehovas witness faggot

So now YOU are picking and choosing from the Old Testament, you just want the official Christianity to be what YOU say it is, but anyone else who does it is a heretic.

Bless you user, a lot of shills today, good to see them dismantled

Think about what you just wrote.
I mean, really think about it.

God's covenant are context-specific.
The covenant he made with David, does not apply to me. The covenant made with Abraham does not apply to me. The laws of Moses were for the Jews, not for me.
Basic hermeneutics teaches one to keep context in mind when reading the Bible. Just because it's recorded, doesn't mean it is
1) commanded
2) meant for you

Nice derail from the fact that no historian will say that Jesus wasn't a shit skin non-European

Anything you do will be heretical, because the bible contradicts itself in what it tells you to do multiple times.

Why do you find it harder to celebrate you fucking fag? What's wrong with that? It's European culture, unless you're a nigger, why would you dislike it?

kys

Noahic covenant, other the other hand...

That's because the Europeans at that point were basically shitting in the woods and raiding one another's settlements as an exclusive passtime, unless you count the Hellenized world...
But then, are you really talking about whites anymore?

You should actually read the NT it clearly says what is and isn't covered by Christ's sacrifice and I'm sorry, faggots aren't forgiven, says so multiple times.

>Nice derail
Not at all. Only an retard would measure God by human metrics. Are you that retard?
Anyway, you keep avoiding my question, which obviously you know will make you look even sillier than you already do.

That you're an anti-Western faggot? I know

Christmas is here to stay, fuck off if you don't like it cunt

thanks for the PSA jew.

Some of the Old Testament is authentic, and some of it is lies because it was scribed and handed down by lying Jews. By being mindlessly obedient to crap, you are being deceived by the very Devil that Christ warned you about. That's wrong. You are not supposed to do that. You are supposed to listen to your internal compass. Use your common sense. The Old Testament clearly isn't 100% moral.

You get it now. Good job user.

Why risk it for a tree? What are the odds that god hates this practice, and will be totally cool with us co-opting it for a celebration of christ?

I'll leave the trees to the rest and take solace in knowing i'm living as close as I can to the bibles teachings.

There are so many real temptations to stray for the word. A tree isnt one. IMHO

You're disgusting.