Was he a good leader?

Was he a good leader?

EVERYTHING

WRONG

>Lives in a world where believing in yourself and doing the impossible makes you guaranteed for success
>Bitches, moans and complains the whole show
No. Maybe he was better after time skip #2, but he will always be a cock mongrel.

Considering how everyone was going to die if they followed his plans, and considering how he sentence the hero who went on to rescue them all to death....

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Rossiu did the wrong things for the right reasons (like a lot of the show's villains), and even then felt terrible for the things he did. He seemed to learn his lesson though when he let Simone take back over, and seemed to do well enough on his own leading humanity in the epilogue.

>gurren lagann is almost 10

Great politician, horrible leader.

I fucking hate this faggot but like Kittan said "You're not wrong but that doesn't mean I have to like it."

The only thing he did that was arguably wrong was attempting to execute Simon. Even then he had a good point that Simon really did cause all the destruction albeit on accident and that the people needed something to placate them while they worked on a plan to evacuate.

No, he was shit just like the show he was in. Kinda fitting, like poetry.

>oh no, he didn't post an image, how will I ever refute his perfect argument without criticizing whatever girl he happens to like.

fucking retards

>forgetting that he was the most inept censor-taker ever

No, he tried to use logic in a world that was illogical.

>spiral power can change everything
>better stop believing this shit lol
>fuck why can't I win against anti-spirals?

He didn't do anything intentionally wrong, he just fucked up in many ways of not paying attention to anything around him.

He should have stuck to what he was good at. Earth's defense was the gang's job. They were god awful at everything else, which is what Rossiu was good at. Basically he panicked and went overboard.

I know. That's why I don't really hate him like a lot of people do.

That being said there is an argument to be made that executing someone because it's politically adventurous at the moment isnt exactly a great decision no matter how you slice it. Especially if that person is the only one who can pilot the only mech that can damage the enemy.

I meant to say advantageous... fucking auto correct.

a leader can't just "Believe in himself" and hope for the best.

Rossiu may have been wrong but if the others where in charge they all would have died in stupid ways.

Rossiu was right, but the world he was in didn't care about right or wrong.

Rossiu wasn't right because he didn't understand the world he lived in

Of course not. Should've pulled the trigger when he had the chance.

No. He was perfect material to be an excellent detail-oriented middle-manager, not a leader.

Even in the real world, "over promotion" of competent people into positions of authority that just don't suit them is a real problem that business leaders need to learn to avoid. Rossiu is the perfect example of this; hes sits pretty in his position while everything is OK, but the very second the going gets tough he needs a true Executive Thinker to save his ass along with everybody else's.

They tried to make Rossiu morally grey and they failed because their writers are fucking hacks with no imagination. No matter how stupid people is acting, threatening to execute Simon was stupid as a friend and as a leader, since he knew only Simon could save them. Lying to people so they don't panic is stupid, if the issue you're lying them about is something that's blowing up under your nose. Trying to use Simon and company as scapegoats for the Antispiral attack was more retarded than making human sacrifices to stop a volcano, because at least the people who used to make human sacrifices were ignorant savages that didn't know better, while Rossiu is a civilized and presumably intelligent human being.

They tried to make a parallel with both Rossiu's village leader and the Spiral King as people who did terrible things to save people from even worse circumstances, but it doesn't work because it has shitty writing. Both the village leader and the Spiral King could actually prevent worse shit from happening with their actions. It doesn't matter how much Rossiu lied or shitted on his friends, it wouldn't make a difference to the Antispirals who were hellbent on executing the human race at that point.

Rossiu being evil for the greater good would be understandable, Rossiu being stupid evil for a stupid reason is unforgivable.

Simon could have easily stepped up at any time. He was content to futz about in his office and his tiny robot head just as much as anyone.

Rossiu built an entire fucking city the only thing Simon knows how to do us yell and punch things.

Rossiu's main problem is that the people he lead were idiots. 7 years ago, they lived in caves underground, and they became free thanks to the guy the city got its name from. Present day, they forgot everything that was their reality 7 years ago, and were irrationally mad against the people who saved them with no good reason. I can't think of a single logical reason for the people from Kamina City to be mad against Simon and the others, unless they miss living underground. They were given reasons in the anime, but they were so stupid that I can't even recall them.

>leader
heh.

If you post an image of a girl you like, I'll respond about how wonderful she is.

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>Simon could have

And that was his mistake. Slacking off and letting the middle-manager run the organization.

>Rossiu built

[CITATION NEEDED]. And, even if true, this (at best) justifies him having an important position heading Public Works or Civil Engineering or some other such department; as soon as he assumed control as head of state and cut out the other decision-makers, he crashed and burned overnight and the city totally buckled into civil unrest and mass-panic INSTANTLY under the pressure of their very first crisis. And this is with a society of hardened survivors, fresh out of generations of caves and desperate survival.

Then he responded to a threat of alien attack by criminalizing and exiling the entire legendary and battle-hardened leadership of their defense forces, replacing them with fucking lolis that know nothing but training drills and getting their asses kicked. Then he compensated for throwing away any hope of resistance or defense with a half-assed escape plan using a ship that he literally fucking FOUND.

Rossiu was in WAY over his head from the very second he decided he was in charge. He judged himself the only person able to guide the city through a serious time of crisis, and every decision he made with this idea in mind was an abject failure.

Let's be blunt the only reason he did any of that shit was because moral complexity is beyond the show's capabilities and they needed a WRONG person for Simon to punch and yell hot blooded things at.

It was pure character assassination just so the hero could look good and it made everyone look bad as a result

Please post a girl you really like, don't make things so easily, it's not fun this way

He's in the wrong anime, his logic don't apply there and he was forcing it on the everyone else, like said.

>witness his pals basically yelled thru every problem and somehow it all work out
>start to m....muh Sup Forums

He should've died.

That's why I liked him. Seemed to believe he was living in a dark space opera like Battlestar Galactica. He did everything right, or at least rationally, failing to realize that the universe runs on the complete opposite of rationality.

Asuka is talented, pretty, and a good girl. It's not fair that everyone spends time and effort to support Shinji emotionally but no one ever bothers helping Asuka.

Also, Rei a shit.

The problem is this
>everyone is a lazy incomptetent fuck except Rossiu
>Rossiu is basically leading the country alone and sees that everyone has become a lazy fucker
>crisis happens and nobody doesanything except Simon who ends up destroying the city
>Rossiu thinks everyone except him is a moron and would rather lead alone than be with people he considers incompetent, for good reasons I might add
Basically he thought everyone had turned soft except him, he didn't realize some people just aren't suited for paperwork and politics so he thought everyone became useless

>Middle-manager gets puffed up by their history of competence
>Feels under-appreciated wielding their current amount of authority, feels like the people abote him are idiots who just don't appreciate the importance of his work or understand the attention to detail that it requires
>Secures promotion
>Crashes head-first into the reality of a thousand different nuances that he just can't grasp
>Feels like everyone else is wrong but him as he drives the company straight into the ground

This exact sequence of events is in fact so realistic and so common that you literally read about it in textbooks about business and management at a collegiate and post-graduate level.

Rossiu's character-arc is actually one of the only things that the show nailed down perfectly with totally uncharacteristic intelligence.

>>Rossiu thinks everyone except him is a moron

he's not wrong. The problem with the show is that everyone's logic is too results based.

Yes Simon did overthrow the Spiral King with the power of hotblood and confidence but that's not something you should really count on.

Take GaoGaiGar for example. Yeah Courage turns 0% into 100% but they don't go into anything half cocked. They have tools, support units and extensive planning to get through the crisis.

Then when shit goes sideways and the heroes have to hot blood their way out of a jam they don't come off as retards.

"Who the hell do you think we are" isn't a battle strategy.

But I really like asuka

My main disappointment was that Rossiu didn't have a master keikaku that ended with Simon combining with the Arch-Gurren and then the moon
It would have been so much better to just have this happen
>everyone is feeling depressed
>Rossiu tries to keep morale high
>Simon and the others show up
>Rossiu is relieved
>small flashback of Rossiu planning everything beforehand
>Rossiu making sure the gunmen aren't destroyed, putting Viral and Simon in the samr jail, telling Yoko about Simon etc.
And now we have Rossiu who isn't a backstabber but just an overly theatrical genius

>logic
>too results based

No.

>"Who the hell do you think we are" isn't a battle strategy.

It is not only a battle strategy, but *THE* battle strategy when you're living in a universe where your species is always on the losing side of the information-asymmetry but where force of will and belief is literal power.

Simon and co. are the ones responding to the universe around them in an intelligent, rational manner, as taught to them by a mad genius named Kamina whose understanding of the inner workings of the universe was so deep and came so naturally to him as to be downright intuitive.

The doubters like Rossiu are the ones who are in fact behaving totally irrationally, denying the existence and usefulness of properties of their universe even after literally witnessing them firsthand. Rossiu is an anal-retentive autist, letting fantasies about living in a world that "makes more sense" to him personally than the one he actually inhabits override his apprehension of reality and render all of his intellect totally useless outside of the select few fields he made himself useful in.

If you think this is dumb, then you think Gurren Lagann as a whole is dumb, and frankly have no reason to be thinking about it so hard.

He lied.
People died.

>betrayed his own best friend and the only hope for mankind's survival for his own selfish interests under the guise of "appealing to the masses"
>once he became leader he started fucking everything up
>decided the best solution was to leave well over half the Earth's population to die

Yeah nah he was a legit faggot, and he should have blown his brains out when he had the chance.

Pretty much exactly what this guy said.

>"Who the hell do you think we are" isn't a battle strategy.
It is in the world of gurren lagann.

>tfw never got to experience watching ttgl with Sup Forums

What was it like?