Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
What's your opinion on an African country being communist?
Jacob James
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Parker Hughes
>Inb4 not real communism
Tyler Martinez
Communism in luxurious western countries is attractive only to the biggest fucking losers alive.
Adrian Wilson
What makes you think that we are part of the elites? Fact that leftists according to most studies have higher levels of education and IQ than right-wingers?
Kevin Roberts
>ideology that is based on helping the poor and downtrodden is attracting those groups into that ideology
Really makes me think.
Jose Harris
can you tell me an example of where communism lead to peace and stability?
Leo Wood
Peoples Republic of China.
Connor Flores
>communists >poor and downtrodden More like lazy and mentally handicapped, take note of how much more capitalism actually does for the poor than communism ever did. Communism is slave morality seeped in Ressentiment. >Ressentiment is a sense of hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of one's frustration, that is, an assignment of blame for one's frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the "cause" generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of one's frustration. This value system is then used as a means of justifying one's own weaknesses by identifying the source of envy as objectively inferior, serving as a defense mechanism that prevents the resentful individual from addressing and overcoming their insecurities and flaws. The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.
Xavier Rogers
>the most capitalist country on the planet lel
John Diaz
Not real communism huh?
Parker Perez
>Capitalism is Communism when I put a sickle on my flag and its successful(as all capitalist countries are)
Samuel Howard
Fuck off and go starve to death somewhere else.
Dylan Brown
>but its not real cum-munism...
John Carter
When was the last time you checked what party was governing China?
Nicholas Campbell
1% of the Chinese population possesses 1/3 of the country's wealth.
Sounds like capitalism to me
Ryan Gomez
>he doesn't work >he wants to represent the working class
Camden Peterson
Its not about "wealth" but power relations. Unlike America in China politics are dictated by the party and her political organs and not the oligarchy.
Capital does not dictate China, the party does.
Matthew Adams
When was the last time you checked the status of private businesses in China? >be a communist >try to prove communists are mentally handicapped genetic refuse from the bottom 1% of invalids who should have been aborted >end up getting blown the fuck out by sheer common knowledge
Joseph Hall
Weak, nationalized if it grows too big and under the control of communist party.
Levi Sanchez
that sounds more like republic not communism
Cooper King
where is the based spurdo poster?
Ian Collins
So it is "State Capitalist"?
Brody Morales
It is a republic, the peoples republic.
Xavier Davis
get in the helicopter commie scum
Austin Lee
Market socialist.
Elijah Fisher
You are welcome
Lucas Perez
Hello combrades gommunism general :DDDDD
Thomas Thomas
Market Socialist implies Social Ownership of the means of productions. In China nowadays, the state owned them so it would be more exactly called State Capitalist
Ryan Nelson
oh shit, check here
Evan Wilson
>follow Marx's 10-step plan for creating the ideal socialist state >power over essentially everything and everyone is consolidated in the hands of the state >revolutionary vanguard usurps control of the government >means of production are seized >gee, Ivan, now that we have literally absolute power over our country, we should totally voluntarily dissolve the government and surrender the ownership of the means of production to the collective commons so that we can create the perfect Communist state!
Angel Wilson
>be communist LARPer >such a fat fucking failure you dream of "le redditlucion xD" as the only hope of redeeming your manhood >be too much of an oblivious fucking retard to realize you're a failure because you're a stupid faggot than because you're "held down by tha man" >use china as an example of "prosperous communism" >its capitalist as fuck >its people believe in economic freedom even more than the united states my sides have gained so much autonomy they've become their own political entity
Oliver Wilson
yea sorry i still don't see how china is a communist country
Juan Walker
People do own the means of production via agency of socialist state and the party.
Jeremiah Davis
1 post by this ID SAGE
Colton Morgan
Because it isn't, communism must be classless, stateless, and moneyless. Lol, maybe they are on their way
Lucas Phillips
>opinions are relevant compared to realpolitik
Ok firendo. If you have not noticed, China is not a direct democracy but representative one, based in democratic centralism.
Camden Russell
There is no such thing as communist state. Communism is about abolishing class,state and money.
William Smith
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism, move to nexd gountry :DDDDDDD
Christopher Lopez
>be communist LARPer >tell people that china is so happy with communism and the people who laugh at you will too >chinese people actually in fact dominantly enjoy free markets >"y-yeah well unimportant." Even North Korea had to adopt free markets just to stop people from starving. If you're too much of a fucking schmuck to see how centrally planned economies create a bottleneck of management then you really shouldn't have any right to vote or opinion.
Joseph Myers
>Communism is about abolishing class,state and money
China has social classes China has states China has money, alot of it
>China is under communism
what?
Dominic Miller
>misquotes >decides to be pedantic rather than address what I actually said >inadvertently validates vietnon Where were you when commies had no argument?
Angel Morales
Still state capitalist. China has allowed for private enterprises which have become super beneficial for the economic system alongside the central state-owned enterprises.
Caleb Barnes
All forms of government are designed to enslave the lower class to the upper class.
Isaac Cooper
China has never claimed to being communist, only socialist. Kiddo, politics tend to be more complex and asymmetrical than "peoles fee-fees".
Lucas Phillips
When you say the Chinese people own the means of productions are you sure about that? Mostly directed by the state last time I checked.
Bentley Taylor
>Kiddo, politics tend to be more complex and asymmetrical than "peoles fee-fees". Being a Communist is all about your "fee-fees" see, >>Ressentiment is a sense of hostility directed at that which one identifies as the cause of one's frustration, that is, an assignment of blame for one's frustration. The sense of weakness or inferiority and perhaps jealousy in the face of the "cause" generates a rejecting/justifying value system, or morality, which attacks or denies the perceived source of one's frustration. This value system is then used as a means of justifying one's own weaknesses by identifying the source of envy as objectively inferior, serving as a defense mechanism that prevents the resentful individual from addressing and overcoming their insecurities and flaws. The ego creates an enemy in order to insulate itself from culpability.
Luke Rogers
They are on their way to achieving Real Communism
Gavin Thompson
>China has never claimed to being communist, only socialist. >When you say the Chinese people own the means of productions are you sure about that? Mostly directed by the state last time I checked.
the best part about these threads is that none of the soulless marxist husks even agree with each other on anything
Julian Ortiz
no you claimed china was communist
Bentley Edwards
>China has allowed for private enterprises
That makes China more of mixed economy, therefor market socialist since not all modems of production belong to the state apparatus nor public sphere.
Aaron Clark
how? I don't see the wealth being distributed
Bentley Cook
I was referring to the IDEOLOGY not the state of affairs in that state.
Asher Green
fuck off dipshit, never said I was communist in the first place, just trying to tell the commie that it can't be socialist if the workers don't own the MOP
Liam Hughes
>China has never claimed to being communist
Blake Edwards
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Noah Williams
>China has never claimed to being communist, only socialist. exact quote from you >Communist Party of China exact title of their governing party
just admit you lied and move on
Owen Thomas
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. gommies.gom/fug/ gommies.gom/starve/
----------------------------------------- Da sdages of gommunism.
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism, move to nexd gountry :DDDDDDDD
Jace Morris
Came here for this post. Thank you.
Andrew Miller
Common funds of state(Surplus value extracted form the citizenery and MOP) has slower ROI(return of investment) yet that does not mean that MOP are not controlled by the people. You really should read communist manifesto before going full revisionist on defining socialism.
Jack Davis
>C-China's only ideologically communist! >China's ideology is "Communism by way of China™" >"Communism by way of China™" is just communism with literally all of the communist bits cut out and replaced with capitalism >But we're real Communists guys, we swear! >Filthy capitalists go home!
Luke Barnes
>China permits private property
Well, then is not socialism my friend
Jaxon Ward
As state, yes. Communist party of China however has claimed to have communist ideology.
Jaxon Young
China as the state =/= communist party of china nor their ideology. The party can be communist. Their ideology can be communist. However, state cannot be communist, expect in the sense of ideological tendency.
Aiden Ortiz
Look, state profits are retained by enterprises rather than being equitably distributed among the population in a social dividend, which is one of the core features in the model of market socialism. Do you see that in China huh? The CEOs are even getting richer while the poor stay same or poorer. The wealth inequality is increased possibly even worse than America.
