Muh stalin turned russia into a superpower

>muh stalin turned russia into a superpower

How to successfully counter this tankie "argument"?

Tsar would've done the same, and wouldn't kill millions of its own citizens and collapsed in 70 years.

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Any shit country with a high population can become a superpower. Just look at Brazil/

What is this picture from?

It's Russian photoshop, the original is Bandera.

Still it's better than original, as more fitting.

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Look at India. "Superpower by 2020" they unironically brag. A literally shit filled country where they pack themselves like roaches onto trains and have deadly outbreaks of disease constantly, while they bathe in rivers that some people use to ritually dump corpses to rot in or to take a shit in.

tsar was overthrown half year before bolshevik coup. antagonism of monarchy and bolshevism is made up by commies to look more solid.

Just mention that Russia was already the world`s 4th largest industrial power in 1910 and 2nd largest market economy by then. Russia would have became industrial superpower regardless of Stalin due to almost complete self-sufficiency when it came to resources in Russia.

R.I.P. Romanovs
You will be avenged

Russia was always a dominant power in Europe after Muscovy, etc. Suggesting Bolsheviks "bolstered" Russian power is laughable. Russia teetered to collapse during WW2. It's common knowledge that without lend lease from America and UK that the USSR would have been soundly defeated by the Germans.

Peter the Great turned Russia into a superpower.

I have to doubt that, particularly since the only lend-lease route to Soviets was cut off during the German Caucasus offensive in 1943, well before the Battle of Stalingrad that turned the strategic initiative back to Russians.

>Tsar would've done the same, and wouldn't kill millions of its own citizens

This fucking delusion. Sure, a literal cuck who let Alexandra take Rasputin's big peasant cock whilst he was away getting his Troops BTFO by the Krauts would've made Russia a superpower.

Also Tsar killed many of his own citizens which is why they turned against him you dunce.

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Millions of tons of food, clothing, boots, resources, etc. were delivered and not just ammo, guns, material, vehicles, planes, and tanks. The reality of the situation is the USSR was teetering on total collapse. Germany had poor strategic offensive targets, sure, but suggesting that the USSR would have managed totally alone is negligent of the fact that lend lease was what keep them alive. It's also common knowledge that Soviet officers had a love affair with the American manufactured Willys Jeep.

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I have literally never heard that argument before. They owned the breadbasket of the world and had to import their grain from Kansas. Their environmental programs destroyed the Aral Sea. Their consumer goods market was nonexistent and their solution to the productivity problem was some Stakanovyte Superman Worker bullshit that never happened, practically a /fit/ meme for peasants. Even their tech was shit. When they pulled a MIG-29 apart at the end of the war, it had fucking vacuum tubes in it. The Soviet Union was a fucking disaster. The Tsar could not have done a worse job. It was the same train wreck that always happens when you try to bring about a communist utopia. The only people still singing this song are Berniebros and Leftypol, both of whom are illiterate in every subject outside of Marxist historiography.

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Boots,resources and particularly Motorized vehicles were vital sure, but the aircraft and tanks was rather useless, particularly when the soviet counter-parts(in tanks) were lot better in the first place.

My point is that Russians turned the war around in conditions when they were cut off form this aid nor before it could reach the front.

Also resource production during the war time over lapped the Germans in 1942(in tonnage).

Not to mention the production of small arms, shells,rockets(this was largely dependent on British trade) or tanks.

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I always forget when I see Hitler in normalfag media I'm supposed to think he's evil.

That's wrong, though. USSR was allowed to occupy northern Iran by the allies to combat this exact problem. They were never cut off from western supplies at any point in time.

Well without any of these vital supplies there would have been no way to launch any form of counter-offensive and certainly would have been impossible to maintain a counter-offensive. Hitler was right in saying a kick would bring the entire rotten structure down, the problem for Germany was they chose terrible strategic targets.

Regardless, the meme that the USSR "single handedly" beat the Germans needs to die. Lend lease from the UK and USA was vital in keeping the Soviet war effort alive in those dark days. Yes, there was production going on in the Urals but that doesn't mean anything if you can't transport your produce goods to the front where it is needed. That's why lend lease was vital because Americans produced and gave them the trucks they needed to transport all this production.

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Expect when the Battle of Caucasus took place.

I agree, but you`re over-estimating the effects of lend-lease since it was only 1.7% of the entire soviet supply during the war.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Soviet_invasion_of_Iran
The allies invaded Iran in 1941, well before the battle you're referring to.

>the only lend-lease route to Soviets was cut off during the German Caucasus offensive in 1943
Sorry, but there were at least 3 routes used by the US to send aid to the subhuman Sovs: the Northern route from Iceland, the Southern route up from the Persian Gulf and the Eastern route past Japan to Vladivostok. Most of you faggots wouldn't know that the US built hundreds of merchant ships, reflagged them as Soviet, crewed them with US merchant sailors, loaded them with US war materiel and sailed them past Japan to Russia, all throughout the war between Japan and the US. The Japanese wanted to maintain relations with Russia, so they refused to interdict this shipping.

fucking EUSSR "education"

That Poo in the green shirt looks baller as fuck though

"In total, 92.7% of the wartime production of railroad equipment by the USSR was supplied by Lend-Lease,"

What good are all your tanks if you can't move them anywhere? Lend-lease was the only reason Soviet Union could keep up the fight. Tanks don't transport magically you know. They need massive railway projects and trucks to transport all kinds of material. All of thise in overwhelming numbers was supplied by the USA.

You're wrong.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease#Significance
>"I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin’s views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war."

Just tell them to count the Russian bodies it took to get to their shit-tier world power level.

Battle for the Caucasus cut off that supply line, since Caucasus line was the only vital way during winter for western lend-lease.

>Boots,resources and particularly Motorized vehicles were vital sure, but the aircraft and tanks was rather useless, particularly when the soviet counter-parts(in tanks) were lot better in the first place.
Holy shit, imagine believing this for real. You're an idiot.

Russia would have been a superpower regardless of who was in Kremlin. The only difference is that if not for Stalin's autistic policies and retarded mass purges, Russia would have already control the entire continental Europe.

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Tell the Tanki to f*** off and then tell him that Russia had to adopt capitalist policies in order to even get out of poverty.

Marxism is what led to the mass murders in Russia because Marxism is more extreme than socialism and socialism is that Collective ideology that tries to humanize any form of individual thought and fact-checking that is against the View of the collective, so in short Marxism sailed capitalism because it made Russia more individualistic so f*** off you tankie propaganda pushing useful idiot.

That's how I would go about it

>you`re over-estimating the effects of lend-lease since it was only 1.7% of the entire soviet supply during the war.
Yeah, no. The US produced upwards of 70-80% of all war materiel produced by the Allies during the war, much of it highly sophisticated petro and materials engineering products that the subhuman Sovs were simply incapable of producing, in addition to all of the rolling stock that the US provided.

Is that why so many of your chicks have them too?

I normally counter the argument
> Stalin took a country with horse plow and left it with nuclear bomb
with
> Yeltsin took a country with abacus and left it with wireless internet

I hate commies, but I do respect Stalin.
>kicked out (((trotsky))) and killed other kikes
>made religion legal again
>outlawed abortions
>outlawed various degeneracy introduced by lenin

Also commies seem to forget that the Soviet Union fell apart not because it was "defeated by Ronald Reagan" but because the central planning and ban on private enterprise led to the situation where collective farms did not produce enough food. The harvest rotted on the fields while the state-employed farmers drank vodka, since there were no free-market incentives to do something.
As a result the country needed to buy grain in Canada. Was pretty much OK as long as the oil prices held, but once they dropped, the USSR went into debt and people needed to wait in line for bread and toilet paper like in fucking Venezuela.

This is what "the alternative to capitalism" actually is.

>Tsar would've done the same, and wouldn't kill millions of its own citizens and collapsed in 70 years.
sure.

I sincerely hope nobody likes Stalin.

>Tsar would've done the same
Basically this. All good that Stalin did was cleaning up shit from revolution.
Also
>Provisional Government would've done the same, if not sabotaged and overthrown by bolsheviks

Kraut gets it. Yes, there was cold war, and USSR lost it because it's economic system was retarded.

would he have done the same?

Tsar would have done the same + not manage to make Russians wait in lines for toilet paper + not starve millions of peasants for "collectivization" + not send millions into concentration camps for jokes about the government + ....

Kek

>Tsar would've done the same, and wouldn't kill millions of its own citizens and collapsed
Tsar literally did just that by starting WWI and sending millions of illiterate peasants to death. Not that Stalin wasn't a faggot. He rode on coattails of better administrators who bult the industry after Civil War and better generals who survived the purges. One good thing Stalin did is killing Trotsky.

The most pathetic think about commies is that their Soviet Union fell apart without a fucking shot. There was no civil war like after the fall of the Russian Empire since noone, not the factory worker, nor the engineer, nor the communist beureaucrat, gave a fuck about Marx or Lenin enough to do a single fucking thing. The whole society in the beginning of the 90s hated communist ideas so much, that there was literally no resistance when the Soviet Union decided to split itself up and become democratic capitalist republics.
Basically
> If communism is so great, how come Communist Party of the Soviet Union sold their ideas and their country out for Fanta and Coca Cola?

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>not starve millions of peasants for "collectivization"
Lol, Russian Empire had famines every 5 years all while being the largest exporter of grain. Russian Empire was fucked by its own deeds. USSR unfucked it a little but not thanks to Stalin.

I sure love how foreigners switch between shitting on USSR and praising tsarism then go to shitting on backwards Russian Empire and how bad it was when ebil commies are out of the picture.

In WW1 every single side sent millions of illiterate peasants to their death. What makes Stalin special is that during WW2 about 5 million Soviet citizens fought for the opposing side in one way or another. That has never happened in 1000 years of Russian history! No Czar ever managed to piss his people off in such a way.

USSR was literally built by America. Ford was building factories there, and then we lend leased you resources when Hitler kicked your door down.

Russian Empire had famines (not every five years, read sources) because of shitty climate and pre-20th century shitty technology. And not a single one of those famines is comparable to collectivization, where 7 million people died despite good harvests purely because communist officials needed to steal every fucking grain and sell it to the west.
Russian Empire was fucked because of stupid generals that thought that WW1 was a good opportunity to stage a coup. Soviet Union was fucked because once the country had no money to buy grain from Canada, its own officials sold it out for Snickers and Pampers).

>No Czar ever managed to piss his people off in such a way.
Lol what are the riots of 17th century? Copper riot, salt riots under Alexei? That tsar had no trouble killing his subjects when they asked him for justice. Romanovs are faggots who bound peasants into serfdom.

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Vacuum tubes? Why is that bad?

They were localized and involved thousands of people, not entire fucking armies.
Romanovs are angels compared to commies.

>Russia would have became industrial superpower regardless of Stalin
Impossible. When Peter The Great tried to bring education to Russian serf children, the Orthodox Church blocked it. The church didn't want educated Russians questioning the bible. When Alexander and Nicholas tried to increase freedoms and bring education to rural parts of Russia, the church blocked it again.

When the industrial revolution came about, the Russian people were still largely illiterate and many workers were injured or killed by dangerous machinery - they could not read the instructions or warning signs. They couldn't take notes. They couldn't be promoted into management. They couldn't innovate or invent. It wasn't until the Soviet Union made them full citizens and made education compulsory that the economy started to grow in a sustainable way.

>They were localized and involved thousands of people
Riots in Moscow, seat of power at the time, included thousands of people many of whom wee killed and executed for their protests. Soldiers deserted en masse during WWI unwilling to fight for the tsar.

Romanovs are shitters who are only comparable to faggot Stalin himself.

On this particular topic, the Red Army used vacuum tubes for some electronics because
1. They can stand high levels of radiation after a potential nuclear war and EMP becomes not a real concern.
2. The computing power requirements on jet electronics back in those days were low enough so that you could afford not to use transistors.

For the record, most countries in the 18th century had illiterate populations. Russia was one of the first countries to adopt mass public education system long before the commies. Peter the Great was also famous for removing authority of the church, making it subservient to the Czar and his ministries.
> many workers were injured or killed by dangerous machinery
You need to read more about how it was in 19th century America, where children had their hands chopped off by machinery, not to mention Germany during WW1. Russia had the same problems as the rest of the world.
> It wasn't until the Soviet Union made them full citizens
Fun fact, Soviet Union did not make peasants from "collective farms" full citizens until the 50s, when they were finally given ID papers and allowed to travel.

>Romanovs are shitters who are only comparable to faggot Stalin himself.
Everyone knows about the Soviet Gulags, but no one seems to remember what those same Katorga camps were in the time of the Tzars.

You are comparing thousands of radical socialists hanged after an armed rebellion (which led to Russia enacting reforms and creating a modern parliament) to MILLIONS of people shot for telling a joke about Stalin or "being a Japanese spy".
Soldiers during WW1 deserted because the Bolsheviks sent thousands of political activists to spread propaganda among the troops, and because there were no commisars to shoot them in the back like in WW2.
> Romanovs are shitters who are only comparable to faggot Stalin himself.
Every single communist leader sucked, Stalin was simply more genocidal than Khrushev or Brezhnev.

You mean catorga camps where:
1. People like Stalin managed to escape 7 times (!!!) from?
2. Many prominent revolutionaries lived with their wives in.
"Gulag" during the time of the Russian Empire was basically being sent into a shitty village in Siberia and living there as a normal peasant/worker.

The ussr may of been a superpower but it's shattered remains are no longer considered so.

>You need to read more about how it was in 19th century America, where children had their hands chopped off by machinery
>Whataboutism
Capitalism is a physical as well as a moral hazard. Its not for children nor the illiterate. However, the industrial revolution required mechanical workers, and labor from the provinces had never machinery before. One of the famines was caused by Nicholas sending the best horses from the countryside to the war effort in Japan, meanwhile kulaks were having to pull their own plows.

>Every single communist leader sucked, Stalin was simply more genocidal than Khrushev or Brezhnev.
I beg to differ. Stalin's policies were arguably efficient, and he did turn the country back from cultural marxism to traditional values. Meanwhile Khrushev and Brezhnev were incompetent idiots. And the early bolsheviks were absolute cunts. So I have to at least give Stalin some credit for murdering those kikes.

Who's your president again? :^)

Luckily for you, its shattered remains are strong enough to ensure this ugly bitch is not your president:

tell them canada has a larger gdp than the russian super power. see how quick their opinion changes.

I haven't read any info on major famines because of horses being drafted for war, seems like commie propaganda. What was its deathtoll in comparison to 7 million starved during collectivization?

Russia had already been a superpower for 150 years tho

Hilary did far more to sabotage herself then anything "russian hackers" could have done in the FSB's wildest dreams.

>Marxism is an economic policy
Jesus, i hate American posters

> were arguably efficient
Collective farms were the reason Soviet Union anded up dependent on grain from Canada. There is nothing efficient about this shit. Later leaders were primarily idiots for not implementing market reforms early enough to fix the problem Stalin created.

Too many lives were sacrificed to do so. USSR was one giant sweatshop at that point, and criminal prosecution was used to turn people to slaves who then were worked to death even for insignificant crimes.
Not to mention that most of those efforts were spent to rebuild what communists initially wrecked, and if no (((revolution))) happened Russia would have been not only stronger, but also far better fed.

russia waa already rapidly developing during early 20th century, commies slowed that process and also guilty of destroying peasant class and millions of dead. If communism didn't happen in worse case scenario Russia would be developed as Czech republic but with 200million people and unlimited resources.

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If the bolsheviks hadn't come to power in Russia, and we assume that it didn't affect the German politics, and Hitler came to power as it actually was, what would he do? Would he attack Russia? Would he not care about it as the ideology was not different? Or maybe Russia would be accepted in to the Axis?

> and we assume that it didn't affect the German politics
That's quite an assumption, given that both Italian fascism and German national socialsm were a REACTION to the rise of communist movements with financial support of the Comintern from Soviet Union.
Basically, without Lenin there would be no Hitler.

Hitler was an opportunist, first and foremost. He developed and changed plans depending on the circumstances.

Even the holocaust wasn't actually planned in advance, but it simply arose out of circumstances and lack of alternatives.

>Too many lives were sacrificed to do so.
Todo what? Build mordor type country and ork sosiety?

Without the ideological war to accompany the need for lebensraum, I doubt that the fight between Germany and Russia would have occurred. If the Empire had not fallen, would Poland have been released as a free country to be dived up later? Most likely Germany would have taken the Sudetenland and then appealed to the Tsar for a corridor to Danzig. I don't think that Germany would declare war directly on Imperial Russia with all its territories in Europe.

I doubt Hitler would get elected since it would be no commie danger to the east. Also there would be no German civil war so Kaiser would remain in power and Poland then coudn't exploit mess in Germany and take Gdansk, but I guess they would still get southern Silesia. There may be another franco german war though, you guys were into that

>They owned the breadbasket of the world and had to import their grain from Kansas.
this alone proves the tankie position to be utterly retarded tier. the black soil of ukraine is the most fertile in the world and they still fucked it up.

Before communism russia was biggest grain producer in world. Just recently they managed to surpass US, it took them 100 years to fix communist mess with all modern tech

Russia was a super power, Bolshevik revolution destroyed that. Stalin somewhat repaired it after stealing German secrets and forcing a more conservative culture.

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>turned Russia into a superpower
he kind of did, you have to admit. he sped up the industrialization of Russia but at the cost of millions of lives due to famine from mismanaged agricultural policy (i.e. collective farms suck dick). The caveat here is that Stalin had massive help from the west in becoming a superpower. the US sent shit tons of food to the Soviets, allowing them to focus on their industry instead of fixing their broken agricultural system. You can shit out T-34s much faster when you don't have to divert more resources to food production. Also the US inadvertantly helped build soviet infrastructure by providing them tons of trucks and supplies for building railways and trains. Basically FDR made the USSR a superpower and won the logistics war for them because he was a literal fucking commie traitor.

Generally speaking, yes.

Impling her own idiocy didn't sabotage her campaign.

The Russian Empire turned Russia into a superpower

They conquered the land with the resources that fed the Soviet war machine, and settled lands so deep it would actually be easier to occupy Pluto than occupy Russia.

There's a reason that despite Russia having less than half of the US' population and its entire empire stripped away but it's still a competitive great power.

Communism and Capitalism are just two sides of the same coin.

Russians only could provide the manpower to throw at Germans to buy themselves time.

Muh Russian hackzors

This; tired of lefties trying to portray 20th century Imperial Russia like some backwards Brazil-tier empire when in reality it was comperable to 2nd tier great-powers at that time like Italy and France in terms of wealth; technology/academics etc. Russian science on the theoretical side at the time was better than the emerging Americans but still 2nd rate compared to UK/Germany which were top tier. It is true that the average Russian serf probably lived worst compared to his other counterparts but the middle-class was comperable to western european counterparts.

It's also worth mentioning that many of the tech sectors the USSR had foreign roots be it by acquisition, espionage, or investment. The 1st automobile plant in USSR was a branch by Ford, the USSR was given by the Brits jet-engine and radar tech after WW2 and based their later designs on that, the USSR's air-missiles advanced quickly after obtaining a American sidewinder missile that was fired at a Chinese plane but didn't explode and they reverse engineered it. USSR also took German scientists by force just like the west

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