Sup Forums, is there anything that is more testament to the stupidity of the public than electric cars?

I bet after energy losses, an 8000 lb diesel pickup is more efficient.

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>I bet after energy losses
Ah. I see you rely on the same source as (((climate scientists))).
>the sad state of slide threads these days

i refuse to buy one until Audi, BMW, Mercedes makes an electric car because Germans are good engineers

They said the same about electricity. And internal combustion engines. And steam engines before that.

wrong.

youre a fucking idiot OP

>loses electrons
>has no moving parts
>0-60 in 1.7 seconds for the roadster
>lose efficiency with gas (you do) you can die if inhale enough yourself
what happens when electrons are lost? fuck all

Have fun replacing your batteries 8 years down the road for $20,000. Have fun trying to sell an electric car that needs new batteries.

>cars dont need money
go away

2/10

they already did they suck ass just like everything europe makes and does

i love nissans. cant get enough of them. so firm and grippy. no mush like toyota though. the nicest looking car right now is lexus ls 500 though

all aboard das cuck auto

what energy losses, retard
electric engines convert electricity into kinetic energy with up to 90% efficiency, whereas petrol does so with 35%, meaning 100hp petrol car produces 200hp worth of heat
only inefficient thing i see is production and lithium ion batteries

As a lover of nip cars I couldn't agree more

electric cars are the future.
these dumb cunts just don't seem to realize that they need to make the batteries easily exchangeable on the go.
there would be literally no downside if they did this, it might even be faster to 'refuel' if it was done with some type of automated machine

>electricity is generated and transfered with 100% efficiency

Germans never went to the moon

Yeah because they tried to take over the fucking world

>blah blah blah, I was molested as a child now I'm gay.

>tried

There will be huge economic downside for makers

:)
number one car loving group is gay men. dont project your shit onto me. why are you a zombie and a cuck? go fall into a sewer

Look, I love weeb culture as much as the next retard on this board but I do not like Japanese cars. They suck dick

as someone who has owned multiple german cars, including AMG mercedes, they have all been shit for the last 20 years.
who do you think works in the mercedes and BMW factories now?, muzzie immigrants.

Far less engineering in an electric car. All those gorillions ploughed into internal combustion and drivetrain only for the Chimericans to render it worthless at a stroke.

So where does electricity come from? overwhelmingly fossil fuels. So you convert the fossil fuels to heat, then to mechanical energy. Then it's converted to electricity and transported. Then you charge batteries.
Every one of those steps suffer major losses. Why not just burn the fucking fossil fuels in the vehicle and save the associated costs?
Oh yeah, muh environmental feels.

bmw's havent changed since their inception and germans drink booze but arent allowed to laugh. jap cars look futuristic and gimme a gtr over an old man mobile anyday

My 03 Dodge 3500 gets 27 mpg all day long.

not unless they have shares in oil.

Until they make a car that's better than the crown Vic I'm not trading my crown Vic on for any other car electric or not

Yeah the GTR is literally one of 3-4 cars the Japanese have made for the ages. Everything else was created in Europe

I hear ya leaf

you probably drive a use hyundai sonata

The fuck are you on about, that's the whole idea behind operation paperclip

italy maybe

The electrons aren't lost, you fucking imbecile. They're moving from one spot to another to reach a lower energy state.

I read somewhere that if everybody on your block had an electric car it'd fuck up the grid. Its not possible

I highly doubt you owned those cars buddy. I own a high end Audi and its a blessed drive everytime. You probably bought them used

Just how do you drive cross-country in an electric car?

Germany

I mean as of now. Tesla can make money on Tesla Cucks without it and other manufacturers profit from gasoline cars. There’s no need for this yet. There’s a reason my car does not allow me to change fucking headlights without service equipment

wow. they lose their charge somehow. completely different from what i said. OP was more right than me cuz you focussed on him as was necessary

The batteries weigh thousands of pounds. It would be terrible design to have 1200 of weight in the boot so the engineers have to distribute the battery across the whole car.

Not gonna happen my dude

>an american making fun of the cars of Germany

Stop pretending like the reputation American cars have does not exist. American cars have terrible reliability and hold no prestige, this isn't just a stereotype, it's the truth.

While Japanese cars are renown for their reliability, and German cars for their prestigious name-brands, American cars have nothing except a stereotype that says their cars are shitty. Your cars are absolute garbage and don't compare to either German, Japanese or Italian cars.

because they dont make cars idiot
get a honda aero 80

they built the rockets that took us to the moon my dude

What the fuck are you talking about? Have you heard of Nissan retard

it was a joke
now go get a ninja

Any time you convert electricity from ac to dc power you have to use a step up or step down transformer. Ever charge a battery? It gets hot. That heat energy is loss. Charging batteries is grossly inefficient. The actual motor may be efficient, but transporting power from 100k, stepping down to 25k then to 240 or 120 volts, then to 12 or 24 volts results in huge energy losses.

Actually electric cars are now more efficient than gas. Fuck off oil and gas shill.

Not to mention the ecological nuke that is Lithium mining. Such environment friendliness.

Maybe on a dead flat highway at 65mph. I can get about 23 in an '08 duramax on the highway doing 75-80.

I will say if they can manufacture a 25999lb GVWR that will go a minimum of 300 miles a day on one charge, run for a minimum of 250,000 miles before major overhaul, throw down the same torque as a diesel and not cost a whole hell of a lot more I'd buy one.

>Germans never went to the moon


>Be American
>Be retarded
>Shit at rocket science
>Watch Germans shoot V2 rockets and be in awe at this alien-type technology
>Kidnap German scientists
>Have a former SS officer as the head of your space agency
>Have a team of German scientists (Redstone) build a rocket that is capable of sending men to the moon
>Claim Germans never did anything

only americucks can do this.

electric cars are the next step in the plan to destroy western countries

step one - get rid of the good jobs with outsourcing and immigration. Make young people poor
step two - make houses unaffordable for young people so they can't even start their own families
step three - make cars unaffordable.

it's simple
electric cars are fucking expensive. in a few years they will ban all diesel cars. young people won't even be able to buy homes outside the cities (where it's cheaper) and drive to work. they will be stuck commuting in collective poverty movers (train, buses etc) and it will be even harder for them to make a living and start families

that will become a new lake where fish can live in

i have a cbr

>>loses electrons

Exactly what you said. You should go back to sucking some dick, as this is clearly over you head.

Also, electrical cars have moving parts. Ever heard about wheels? And no, the engine is not some magical no-moving parts wonder either.

Electric cars are fine. They have many advantages but drawbacks. Same as a gas/diesel engine. The biggest issue is cost. Who the fuck wants to pay 30k for an electric car? That goes for most cars though. Get it under 15k and you got a thing. Right now they just need a good battery pack and a on board generator for emergencies or long range travel.
You can easily convert a gas car over. Kits exist. The problem most people run into is how much energy high speed travel takes. You can go a long time at 20 mph but less than half at 40. Wind resistance is a bitch.
Overall electric cars are highly energy efficient since since you only draw power to the motor while moving instead of in a gas engine where its idling or turning over wasting gas when you are just sitting there or coasting. Keeping it warm is an issue. A lot of kit builders use a small diesel heater. Minuscule amounts of fuel to run it all winter. You can convert a geo metro to a 48 volt electric car for under 3k without battery packs. 48 volt is a little low in voltage so top speed will be under 50 mph but it makes it cheap and a lot safer to work on. Range can be less than 50 miles on lead acid to as high as 200 on lithium.

Lithium mining is way less devastating to the environment than mining for fossil fuels. And lithium is only 2% of the volume of the lithium-ion battery you retard.

Oil shills need to come up with better arguments.

This
American diesel will run millions miles. (Maybe not duramax)Euro trash last 100k. So every American diesel you'd have to buy 10 euro diesels in a same time.

You realize that at first switching from a steam engine to a combustion engine was like switching from a toaster to a fireplace inside your house that you shoved a grenade inside of.

You change from AC to DC with a rectifier.
You change AC voltage with a transformer.

- complimented by police who say the car is almost indestructible in accidents
- gets 35 mpg hwy
- all parts available online or privately
- easy to work on yourself
- cannot be hacked
- cannot be remote controlled by police or CIA Niggers

SUCK IT, ELECTRIC FAGS

If you ever filled that with water it would be incredibly poisonous. Unless you plan on filling it with some radioactive loch ness monster, I would strongly advice to not do that.

Lithium takes up a lot of land but its practically an unlimited resource. That would make an excellent lake or fishery when they are done with it. Not all damage is permanent or even bad.

>maybe not duramax
Ford retards are hilarious.

kill yourself you fucking asshole. i believe in plasma cosmology. this is a discussion. nobody is perfect. and is about cars. you know nothing about me nor anything. dont be such a nagging cunt who makes men walk on egg shells playing games in her back pocket and making him watch his mouth and second doubt himself. CUNT! the meaning of cunt is all about the meaning of your shit world. vaginas. masonry. witches. and the fall of man

my nigga.

>caring about the rockets, ignore the complexity of landing and return procedures

Prove it, stupid.
Anyone can talk shit on the internet.
I'm a diesel mechanic and industrial maintenance mechanic.
Electric cars are a pipe dream for morons who don't know science.

Other way around man. Steam engines are fucking time bombs.

Holy fuck i really hope this is bait

The biggest issue is they run on fossil fuels. /thread

>Who the fuck wants to pay 30k for an electric car? That goes for most cars though. Get it under 15k and you got a thing.
This

The $15,000 difference pays for fuel and maintenance for the lifetime of an internal combustion vehicle and then some.

Does anyone really know what happens to electric cars when the batteries finally take a shit? Does anyone really drop the money to throw new batteries in the car? Where does a Prius go to die?

I can't help that you are such an incredible faggot. I will call out retardation when I see it, and you are clearly retarded.

i was almost completely right. i dont need to talk like a science man who says earth is a pear. nukes are real. and fucken anybody landed on the moon. get dicks out of your mind closet case

Hydro is fossil fuels? Solar?
Also you assume I give a fuck about the environment. Electric cars have a far lower operating cost than gas cars, with fewer moving parts. Even with the cost of replacing the battery, its still cheaper.

That totally changes the dynamics of my point.

>15k dollar cars
imagine being this poor

20yr old 7.3 still running. 6.2?

prove your wealth with a timestamp and some other half decent fashion

Ironically steam powered cars of the 1920s were so powerful they would be considered supercars today, while being as quiet and torquey as electric and burning so clean they could pass a modern california emissions test with no emissions controls and burning kerosene. It could also be warm enough to drive in under two minutes and needed no water refills. The doble steam car can still stick its balls in the face of a modern porsche (133 mph, 1000 pounds torque). Steam was the best then and its the best now.

Most of them end up down cycled. They are usually at 80% when they are considered worn out. 80% of a 40 KW pack is still really useful for solar or wind installations or remote science outposts. Dangerous to take them apart but I've seen it done. NiMH packs are surprisingly robust.

when ur poor so you become proud of penny pinching. sucks to be you lad

It's for liberal faggots, so they can signal virtue.

This. People hate priuses for a reason

Oh yeah, how much power is generated by hydroelectric or solar? Next thing you're gonna say nuclear power is a viable alternative.

Exactly.

I am part of a construction business involved in natural gas and have worked with hundreds of outfits and no one uses Fords for work trucks. Only cummins or duramax. We have 3 duramax with over 300,000 miles.

Also those powersources are unreliable and only work in certain areas. Electric cars are the diet soda of cars. It sounds like its better but its worse. Diesel and steam is the future. Take the diesel pill!

Interesting. I figured there had to be a second hand use for the batteries. I also understand they can be difficult to completely recycle.

I'm all for electric cars helping to curb emissions but the cost of the technology needs to catch up with the market quickly. Diesel passenger cars are making a huge come back because is far more cost effective for the average consumer.

That's a copper mine. Pic related is a lithium mine.

A good electrical plant can hit the high 40s in conversion efficiency to electricity, and can have overall thermal efficiency in the high 90s if they have industry they can supply heat to.

An internal combustion engine for a car or heavy truck will hit into the high 20s for conversion into mechanical energy. Stupid huge ship engines can hit into the mid 40s.

Electric can edge out gas or diesel, but have limited range and long charging times when compared to liquid fuels. Liquid fuel vehicles take the lead when you need heating as no one has yet installed a good heat recovery off the battery pack for heating in electric cars.

However the electric car is doomed due to the production of liquid fuels from nuclear power plants.
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This solves both our electric energy requirements and any potential shortfall in oil production.

Its kind of funny, grandpa always talked about it. Just about every great mechanical/engineering solution was done before 1950 in some way or another. The only thing that got better was oils and metallurgy. Back in the 80s I remember reading about a highly efficient gasoline car. Nothing impossible but 80 mpg+. The engine ran at 2700 rpm at all times, unless idling and powered a hydraulic pump. The entire car ran off of high pressure oil. Had torque and power similar to electric motors. No gears or anything like that. Just forward and reverse. The oil reservoir acted like a battery. When idling it would slowly charge the tank back up, so you wouldn't waste any of the engines power when idling. It was also a fairly small engine and 2700 rpm tend to be the most fuel efficient rpm to run at. Since the engine wasn't connect to the wheels directly it also didn't have the stop and go surges and strain seen on most gas engines.

The average diesel ks upwards of 50. A sterling can reach electric levels and is dead silent

Man industrial mining is weird as fuck.

What about Hydrogen ?

That's because early 6.0 6.4 and early 6.7 was Navistar pos. So ever see gm 6.2? I see old 7.3 work trucks all the time.

Most of the entire state of washington is hydro powered. Pretty much any state with a major river can be hydro powered or it can get power from another state like many do (but with coal). The only reason hydro isn't bigger than it is, is because of cry baby green fags worried about muh fish and river health (they build fish ladders to avoid killing fish). You can build multiple dams down river to make more power. Hydro has the lowest operating cost of any power source and is very stable in that cost. Solar is only good for end user stuff. I don't expect it to power anything soon outside of remote homes, radio stations etc. The price dropping helps but solar panels will never compete on a national scale. I run my house on solar and I will admit that. Still worth owning as a home owner. Very reliable and economical.

Brand new diesel at peak efficiency can hit 45% but are dirty as fuck when doing so. The diesel fleet average hits into the 30% range. Only massive engines can push past that 50% mark.

>almost completely right
>thinks that cars have no moving parts
>thinks that electrons are consumed

The only thing you were right on is the acceleration. The efficiency in an electrical car is also barely higher than that of a fossil fuel one once you factor in all the losses.

Car efficiency: 90%
Charging: 95%
Electrical transfer from power plant to socket: 90%
Average coal power plant: 60%
Total: 46%

Average combustion engine efficiency: 35%

Factor in that coal power is dirtier than petrol, and you could say that they're at most equal. Now, if you would change the power plants to something else you could lower emissions, but changing a nation's power grid is costly and is also a source of emissions.

You'll have to drive an electric car for 25 years for them to be a net positive, but that's not the lifespan of the car.