Is Shirou Emiya the most complex and best written Seigi no mikata of the anime and VN medium?

Is Shirou Emiya the most complex and best written Seigi no mikata of the anime and VN medium?

According to reddit, yes

Yes.

But reddit hates Shirou, They are mostly Fate/zero secondaries there.

Prisma Shirou > the others

I just came from a reddit thread arguing the exact same thing, and as I previously commented on that website, yes, I do believe so.

Miyu!Shirou > shit > Fate!Shirous

>Actually knowing what reddit like.
Fuck off redditor.

This, fuck I love Prisma Shirou

This looks fucking awful. I'm cringing a little

Hey man, take this. (you)

disgusting

Shirou is a mess. I enjoy the concept of BEING MADE OF SWORDS and the fact that he took Kiritsugu's salvation to retarded extremes, but Nasu changes his personality all the time to suit his needs.

In Fate he is a retard that makes terrible decisions, even by his seigi no mikata logic, all the time and is saved by Avalon up his ass every day.

Nasu tries to give him PTSD to justify his unrealistic ambitions, but only when it's convenient. The rest of the time he's immersed in goofy high school shenanigans and acts like your typical VN protagonist. He is portrayed as extremely selfless and altruistic, but the most you see him doing are Shinji's chores while he lives in a mansion with Kiritsugu's money and getting help by everyone

Not to mention the H scenes where he frequently expresses arousal to violence being inflicted on the female characters. And that scene where he wanted to fuck Illya.

I dismiss TYPE-MOON's sex scenes as an obligaton from last decade needed to sell copies of their games. Not only are they hilariously bad, CG dragons and dolphins are better excuses for mana transfers.

> All these EOPs replying

No.

Unironically yes.

>liking sword so much to even becoming one
>if you wan't to be strong a sword you have to think like one
>complex

why do we even reply to those threads anymore?

That's just Nasu's inner sadist being channeled, Shirou's thoughts during h-scenes might as well be non-canon. It worked with Shiki, it's breaking character with him.

I want to play it. With Dies Irae and Baldr Sky both happening now, I'm sure it's only a matter of time, right?

I don't understand how people can unironically like this trash.

That's nothing like his character, secondary-kun. Read the VN.

This doesn't really make sense, though. It never has. It's just meaningless pontifications.

How I become a sword and a swigi no mikata?

You forgot Tokyo Babel.

Shirou is such a pleb. If he can't save everyone then that just means he's not trying hard enough.

This, it's so fanfiction-y, almost as bad as some of the fanservice in FGO. Although I'm sure the movie will probably be fun.

This, pretty much.

He's called a machine who's pretending to be a human, but he's actually very human. It's just an excuse for him to be superhumanly stubborn in things like fights. He has a porn stash, he gets embarrassed when he sees women naked and tries to pretend it doesn't turn him on at all, he derives enjoyment from doing things well like cooking and cleaning, he hates some people but likes others, he gets terrified of dying, he makes friends and falls in love, and he feels genuine sadness and regret.

It's just an excuse to have a character who is a pretty ordinary guy but also is magically able to put up with pain and pressure and fear in ways no ordinary person could possibly.

I don't regret involving myself with he material because it's a perfect case study in how to make a delusional. unlikable character that believes himself the hero of the story.

>It's just meaningless pontifications.
That's pretty much every character in Fate though. Shallow characters that are presented in pompous ways to make them seem more than they are.

Not user. I did read the VN. It sucked. It felt like I was reading something written for Jr highschool students, and I was bored out of my mind the entire time until I dropped it midway through HF. People should just watch Zero and forget about the rest of this overrated franchise

Doesn't that just mean you've turned reddit into a boogeyman?
What if they're actually a much better community?

You comment is probably the most stupid comment I've ever seen in my whole time on Sup Forums.

He's cool but essentailly he's just UBW Shirou with HW mentality and access to a less shitty Archer's arm

No you didn't.

If you didn't like it you wouldn't have read it 3/4 of the way.

It's not completely devoid of any genuinely creative or interesting writing, for sure. I just really disliked the portrayal of shirou. It felt very cheesey and juvenile much of the time.

the only things I really like about shirou are the ways he contrasts with shiki because I find that kind of duality between "sequels" interesting

guy himself is a real snore, he's not consistently a sociopath like the SHIROU IS DEEP people say and beyond that all he has are memes and asspull powerups

Oh, didn't I, now?

You are dead wrong. I wanted to like it. I really, really did. And admittedly, I am exaggerating somewhat because the bait makes me chuckle. There were a few good bits that were nice, interesting. Nasu is a good idea man. But 90% of the actual reading (I mean "playing") is just completely boring and monotonous. Maybe it's because I was spoiled on almost every plot element by Sup Forums. But I didn't have a good time.

>What if they're actually a much better community?
B...b-but what if mhu plebbit's better? :(

>You comment is probably the most stupid comment I've ever seen in my whole time on Sup Forums.
probably your first week here, I'd imagine

unironically neck yourself

Uh did you forget the parts where he feels like he doesn't deserve to be happy. Or how he is constantly obsessively working rather then doing anything fun. He may get satisfaction out of a job well done but that's different then doing things for fun.

His only friends are Issei, who's super serious and almost as much a workaholic as him, Shinji, who basically took advantage of Shirou more then anything else, and Sakura, who he does his best to deny he's attracted to because dating the cute kohai who clearly likes you isn't something he deserves.

Dude did something that could kill him if the slightest thing went wrong, every night, for years for almost no benefit.

Not him, but I refuse to believe you'd read the 70+ hours required to get halfway through HF, only to drop right before the part that's unanimously considered the peak of the VN (and if you were spoiled that hard you should know about that).

All the things you described are intrinsically human qualities.

His status as a 'machine' is really poorly justified.

>I don't like thing
>Read the VN and you'll like thing
>I still don't like thing
>If you didn't like thing why did you read the vn =)

thanks for being more honest than most people that use the word secondary, but you're just as much of an asshole. You can't say "read the VN and then complain" and then act surprised when someone takes you seriously and reads it just to critique it.

It's just an excuse you have to justify liking trash, every time there's a fate adaption you motherfuckers get BTFO a little bit more. I can't wait till the HF movies and thus your last refuge of being able to hide behind a large entry barrier to win arguments is gone.

Literally everyone else is more interesting than Shirou

>70+ hours

is this the type of person that thinks fate is really good? literal elementary school level reading speed?

I've personally never gone on Reddit, but you literally got mad at someone for trying to learn something new and actually form an opinion while you actively declare your hatred of Reddit.

That's dumb as hell.

>liking sword so much to even becoming one
>if you wan't to be strong a sword you have to think like one
>complex
All I did was call bullshit on you because there's no way someone read the VN and unironically thinks that description is even remotely similar to Shirou's character.

>Uh
>>>reddit

Fate is a shit series, I hope you don't seriously believe what you typed.

I hate type moon fags so fucking much.

>>>>reddit
Stop trying to fit in, you fucking newfag and lurk.

It's in JAST hell. Maybe it'll come out in the next 10 years? Nothing's for certain.

I mean, even if it does come out early, stuff like the Tsukihime remake and a bunch of other games are going to take even longer to translate and people are just going to beg needlessly. Don't mind me, I'll just be reading Dies before it turns into kusoge.

Believe it or not, I read all of Fate and all of UBW (ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ). Fuck Sakura.

>muh edgy victim nympho waifubait

I'm not interested in that. I do kind of regret not seeing Kirei's dialogue. He is one of the most interesting characters. But I was so sick of it by that point I didn't care.

Sorry your favorite chuunishit doesn't get all these anime adaptations by different studios, many of them movie budget. And so many interconnected spin-offs and shit.
Should've had better taste.

>got mad at "someone"
come on boy, no need to act ambiguous, you are obviously the same faggot

Everyone is free, no, should I say, invited to go to reddit and peak trough the iron bars of that chimpanzee habitat, but is when he comes back and starts spewing cultural relativistic retardation like "wait, you guys, what if the society the chimpanzees have built is as good or even, dare I say, better that our" that you actually become an irredeemable turbo mongloid.

I didn't mind Tsukihime in a campy kinda way.

FSN is 40 hours, 50 at most

If you put the effort in to read the other two, there's no much reason to not read Heaven's Feel. Even if you hate Sakura it is still worth it

I don't trust people that use non-anime reaction images on an anime board.

Don't bother senpai, that's the kind of poor sod who'll never get to experience the pure joy of Fate/stay Night. It's the same kind of deal as secondaries who start Fate/Zero and then expect FSN to be something completely different, except the opposite, where he knew too much before going in.
A shame not everyone can get into the series completely unspoiled, because it's a hell of a ride.

Why it's so hard to understand?
Shirou cam be happy and such but his ideal of "saving everyone" overrides everything, it's really simple.

>Simpsons
>not an anime

Next thing you are going to say avatar the last air bender is not an anime, could you imagine how everyone would laugh at you?

>there are people who criticizes Fate's prose while reading the shitty translation
I hope you guys don't do this.

Fate route
>shirou: muh Saber should stay at home and cook
>the end

UBW
>strawman: muh being a hero of justice is wrong for some reason
>shirou: no u
>the end

Fate/SN is literally dogshit. The houseplants in my room could write a better story.

>implying it'll ever pull a Muv Luv and get a new translation

No faggot, he's implying you should read the original in Japanese if you want to criticize its prose.

I find his character pretty contrived desu senpai.

Your descriptions are the only strawmen here buddy.

Kirei is the best Fate character

Lebbit is the fucking devil. And if you think otherwise you need to find yourself a different website to frequent, newfreind.

Also why did you put your last sentence down here like this?

>/implying/

You fucked up Sup Forums

>it'll be good if you learn moon

Nice try Sup Forums

Where the fuck do you think you are you crossboarding retard?

He is certainly more interesting than Shirou for some reason. Maybe his motives are easier to relate to, and so don't feel as canned and corny

>finding some worth in being irredeemably evil is easier to relate to than accepting or rejecting a life of sacrifice
wew lad

>I can't feel happiness unless I hurt people
How is this easier to relate to than
>I can't feel happiness unless I help people

You sound like a massive faggot

because he's a villain and pretty much does it all for his own personal amusement

Get the fuck outta Sup Forums. I swear to God I want my weeb paradise back.

Lord Urobutcher please heed my call and smite these casuals. Maybe Nasu can do something useful too.

No he doesn't. A lot of the random bullshit in the middle yeah, but his ultimate goal is anything but "personal amusement".

Yep

Saber and Rin are also the two best waifus of ALL TIME

Swords > waifus

You want swords? Gilgamesh is your man

This series is perfection

Shirou
>Muh obscure traumatic childhood experiences and related compulsive psychosis that closely resemble and are often indistinguishable from typical shounenshit
Kirei
>I want to be a good person but I'm kind of complete cunt so I might as well enjoy it and make the best of it

>Tfw you got into F/SN before UBW.
>Somehow managed to not get spoiled.
>Just thought the Red Man being Shirou was a meme like Rider being Sakura.
>Mfw the madman actually did it.
Sparks Liner High is the best ending.

How's Fate/GO?

More like one of the worst characters. This guy make me want to punch him in the face whenever he opens his stupid mouth.

>Inb4 read/play the VN you secondary

I played the Fate route and I couldn't do anymore, this guy is a literal retard and I don't want to play from his pov for another second. The only good thing about the VN was watching the bad endings where he meets grim/brutal deaths, that at least made the VN tolerable enough to play till the end of first route. I watched UBW anime which made him even worse which I didn't think was possible.

Sumanai is a way better seigi no mikata.

you are so cool i bet your waifu sucks my dick faggot

Explain why he's a retard.

What's wrong with Shirou?

Sucks

Rin should have been the MC.

This shit needs to be wordfiltered I swear.

Kek sausuga

I don't see any characters in your picture. That's just a sword.

So, you were literally born evil?

>evil

Because everything he does is "super heroic and noble" in an eyerollingly retarded way that the plot bends itself to flatter. For an alleged shounen deconstruction character, the Fate route especially sure reads like a typical shounen. >i have just transcended common sense.jpg

UBW is not much better, if at all. HF is the only place where Shirou feels like an actual character and not a childish cartoon hero, and that route sucks.

Sometimes I feel that way desu. I understand it's just drama, but it's drama I can relate to. Unlike Shirou, I have never had a problem with being too GOOD of a person lol, and I can't relate. I don't think it's too much to assume that most people are more similar to mine.

>Because everything he does is "super heroic and noble" in an eyerollingly retarded way
This is just circular logic, examples?