A thought on IQ

First, there's 0 evidence IQ is genetic. Second, how can you compare these people to whites? They rarely have access to education in Africa. Blacks in America barely go to school and rarely go to college. Couldn't that be it and not genetics?

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Will you at least admit that some dog breeds are smarter than others, or are we going to play this game all night?

NO ONE CARE ABOUT NEGROES

I know this is just a 'stick your fingers in the ears and go lalalalaalla' leftie-thread, but how come asian countries on equal poverty levels (or worse) have higher average IQ?

>education
Modern IQ tests are done with a test known as Raven's Progressive Matrices, which is focused on finding patterns. Because it isn't based on crystallized knowledge, your culture and your level of education should not impact your ability to score higher on the test.

That fucking title is an oxymoron

you breedists!
>pitbull lives matter

they only account for half of ALL attacks because,
they come from underprivilleged homes

This actually. Especially among white liberals who make a habit of signalling their phony concern for people whom they don't associate with.

Also, the IQ disparity among racial groups is only controversial to "laypersons." This data has been around for decades and has been quietly, if reluctantly, accepted by almost all experts who specialize in this field of study. IQ, "intelligence," or "cognitive ability" is believed to be around 60-70% heritable with environment playing some role, although it's still not entirely clear to what extent. Any "flaws" or shortcomings of IQ tests have been filtered out over the decades with new and alternative ways of measuring "cognitive ability" leveling the playing field for cultural and other disparities between populations being studied. Reality is a motherfucker some times.

And the fact you people keep on having to justify it means nothing I'm sure. Their genetic disposition toward athletic success will remain unquestioned.

>there's 0 evidence IQ is genetic
Stop lying.

>Genetics is only a factor when it supports the (((narrative)))

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>brothas are strong, fast and pack the BBC!
>There's still no good reason to believe black-white IQ differences are due to genes

Liberal cognitive dissonance knows no limits.

Even if there was a conclusive evidence the establishment would just dismiss it because MUH RAYSISM.

Different dog breeds didn't "evolve to their environments" they were literally created by humans to possess certain characteristics, and even then there's no meaningful way to classify them biologically, which is why breeds are decided mostly by kennel clubs and not by biologists.
Comparing dog breeds to races doesn't justify racism, it actually does the opposite, especially when you consider that dogs don't seem to prefer to be with their own breed whatsoever.

American slaves were bred.

The problems is when you "race realists" come up with bizarre dated 19.century explanation on exactly why blacks would be of lesser intelligence. The frontal lobe argument is pure shit when you have blacks with high IQ, meaning that if it was a physical characteristic of the skull that would prevent them from ever being capable of above average intelligence.

And when you look at these 19.century "scientific racists" you just have to look at the fact that they didn't limit their "racial science" only on white europeans vs. the negro, but many of them were Eugenicists believing that the lower classes of Europeans, meaning your ancestors who were not of nobility, were genetically predisposed to being human trash. You may become arrogant when browsing Sup Forums, cause it feels like a echo-chamber where you get your delusional views confirmed as valid by other delusional individuals with no higher education , but bare in mind, outside Sup Forums the Spencers, the Taylors are considered a laughing stock.

cheers.

>How can you compare these people to whites?
The IQ tests done on Africans are done by their University students. That's where the data comes from.

That doesn't explain all the other blacks in the world

True, but I think the point was to point out evolution as part of the environment libs want to screech so much. And also traits are desired in different dogs so constantly breeding the baddest pitbull may explain the aggression. Just like natural selection.

The problem is niggers who keep claiming the overwhelming evidence of black vs white IQ differences is from the 19th century because they can't handle the truth. Niggers are considered a laughing stock, and the fact that niggers laugh at anyone means nothing. You've been on the planet longer than anyone else and achieved less than virtually anyone else. How can you explain the obvious mental retardation of niggers when compared to other ethnic groups?

There is a established theory that the reason the Eurasian part of the world was the most developed. It has nothing to do with superior" genomes but the horizontally stretched environment that had the most suitable flora and fauna for domestication.

Every single relevant test ever done has shown that IQ is genetically inherited, you colossal buffoon... in fact adoption studies on twins have shown IQ is far more "nature" than "nurture"

>muh guns germs and steel
>muh ignoring sub Saharan Africa is the most resource rich continent

Look, faggot. I'm sick of this obfuscation and forced confusion. Blacks are simply less intelligent. And if you don't believe that IQ is intelligence, cool, but IQ is highly correlated with success and blacks are lower than whites. There is no more debate.

>The problems is when you "race realists" come up with bizarre dated 19.century explanation on exactly why blacks would be of lesser intelligence.

This is a typical straw man that academic Jews use: accusing the opponent of using "outdated" arguments that are the opponent does use and which btw do not impact the robustness of the thesis. Science has moved forward, there are solid genetic studies which backup race realism.
It does not matter "why" blacks have lower mean IQ for it to be so.

zero evidence? you dont keep up with any journals in genetics. the majority of intelligence is regulated by genetics.

feel free to do some reading :) geneticist fag here

Look nigger, phrenology is bullshit, I don't think anyone would argue it isn't. However, you're completely ignoring modern scientific discoveries that provide evidence of race being genetic as well as iq. Pure sub Saharans are the only people with no neanderthal admixture for example or that blacks with European admixture perform better on average than those without in nearly all measures of average.

Sub-Saharan biological relatives of the horse including zebras and onagers are almost untameable ,compared to the Eurasian horse. This is a major factor that prevents you from cultivating land on a bigger scale and makes a hunter-gatherer culture a preferable option in such a enviroment.

michelle obama heads to >her wedding

>there are solid genetic studies which backup race realism.

This is the most outdated of them all. This argument has it's roots in class based discrimination, before it evolved into a racialist argument. It stems from European aristocratic elitism and was employed by the ruling classes via their "scientists" who advocated for a eugenicist worldview. The shticks is basically the same as employed by "racial scientists" - the lower classes are lower because their genetic shortcomings. -- But now after WW2 with the introduction of Keynesian economics we saw a upsurge of blue-collar whites climbing the social ladder, making it into the middle class and higher - Eugenics proved to be complete pseudo science, working class people were not "a different breed", but a socially disadvantaged group.

And even today none of these studies have conclusively identified any genes that underlie differences in intelligence. So your "essentiallist" view that humans are to be categorized in groups if sub-species that are born dumb stem from the very class based ideological """"science"""" that repressed Europeans themselves.

There's sill no good reason to believe that long distance running differences are due to genes.

Do these good goys know how absurd they sound?

>Comparing dog breeds to races doesn't justify racism, it actually does the opposite
How so?

Slow as hell. Environments are comparable to human intervention.

It's not education related either, since the same gap exists between races on the same education level

You don't need to know HOW they involved to have lesser intelligence when it's clear by the end result that they did.

Dogs don't group themselves based on their "breed", this is completely a human phenomena.

>First, there's 0 evidence IQ is genetic

Literally only something an amerimutt would say.

youtube.com/watch?v=Y1lEPQYQk8s

Rather than address our argument, you just compared it to a different, outdated argument.

Black People have the potential to be smart and proper.
The issue is that circumstances throughout history have put them in a position where their culture only rewards misbehavior and rejects values that overall benefit themselves and their society. It is not their fault that they are born into this situation, but it is their fault that they choose to continue living the way that their culture has molded them to be.

>Black People have the potential to be smart and proper.

Individuals, maybe. As an aggregate, no. Exceptions do not disprove the rule.

I don't have to reach back to the 19th century. Motherfucker I live in Baltimore. You want evidence? Open the fucking window here and stick your head out.

>vox

>education raises IQ to non-barbarian levels
then how did people intelligent enough to implement education in the first place?

>then how did people intelligent enough to implement education in the first place?
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Like I said, there are still no evidence of a gene, or a combination of genes that would be a crucial majority determinant of your IQ.

Aborigines haven't made any advance in 1000s of years. They were content to roll in the dirt. Now the modern world's in their face with wonders and opportunity and what do they do - they stare uncomprehending at the world and huff gas so they don't have to think about it.

I'm 99% certain this is bait but fuck it, I'm bored.

First paragraph is a strawman, talking about pre-industrial revolution theories when discussing genetics.

Second paragraph is also irrelvant. It's been shown again and again that when environment, education etc is controlled for blacks (African Americans at least, not necessarily Africans) are less intelligent.

The fact we haven't identified specific genes (to my knowledge) doesn't mean much as we can demonstrate disparities aren't due to environmental influences.

Just about every goddamn known disease has hereditary risk factors and is accepted as partially genetic despite not having identified genes. We just analyse pedigrees. What are geographically seperated races if not giant fuck-off pedigrees?

>Eugenics proved to be complete pseudo science
Real eugenics has never been implemented

"First, there's 0 evidence IQ is genetic."

Anyone thinking of responding to this thread, should take a minute to process just how stupid that statement was.

>Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
What

>no evidence

heritability isn't evidence? have you just disproved quantitative genetics? wow.

Selective breeding has been around for a while. People sell champion racehorse spunk for lots of money, because fast horses breed fast horses.

>sources: ass
If you pull to much - you will run out of shit.

LeL...

Meanwhile my country's average IQ dropped to 96 while it used to be above a hundred three decades ago and our youngest are 34th in the world for literacy proficiency while the Russians and East Asians are in the top five...

But hey, nothing to do with the mass african immigration we've been having since the 80's...


Man can't wait till we hit 90 average IQ, then we'll be just like North Africa kind of retarded.

>Muh zebras be hard to tame
>Das why we never invented shit

>no good reason to believe it
what does this mean?

>Different dog breeds didn't "evolve to their environments" they were literally created by humans to possess certain characteristics
how the fuck are those two statements contradictory.
Isn't your fucking room an environment of it's own?
Your fridge?
Your house?

>whites are the humans of an RPG

>selective breeding guided by an intelligent 3rd party is the same as natural selection

Oh wow, Darwin, look out. We've got an enlightened skeptic here.

>implying """natural""" selection isn't guided by an intelligent 3rd party

Yet Indians and north Africans tamed elephants.

>intelligent 3rd party
lol

what intelligent 3rd party guides 'natural' selection?

Bullshit. Race itself is a taxonomic classification for a species that has separated into groups for so long they begin to genetically differ without speciation. It's observed in microbes all the fucking time, you're just an idiot.

Like we've told you, there is and it's cutting edge right now. Last year several gene combinations controlling iq were found, guess who had those expressions in lower quantities on average?

>being this retarded
Are you implying that each and every dog received completely identical treatment, nourishment and whatever else thorough entire existence of caninedom?

The environment you live in is vastly different from environment inhabited by any other human, animal or anything alive. You are under pressures from unique set of conditions, events and interventions and it means jackshit whether your whole surrounding is resultant of 'chaotic' processes of nature or 'sentient' actions of mankind.
Each dog had environment that demanded different set of traits and skills from it and each got rewarded (some bitches to cover) or punished (no bitches to cover).

Deferred gratification is an indicator of at least a certain type of intelligence. Therefore if the negro decides it is more fun to not go to school right now rather than to go to school for the benefits it may proffer later, they must not be very intelligent.

Nerp, bees of different species put in the same container almost always self segregate into groups purely of their own.
In group preference is a thing and that's something you'll have to live with.

I know this is a joke but I've actually considered if playing RPGs and even games like starcraft might've opened my mind up to racial thinking.

is there any good reason to believe that the black-white iq differences are NOT due to genes?

>these very same people laugh at creationists

Found the nigger

>anno domini 2017
>Africa is still a shithole
>inb4 it was da ebil colonists
wherever there is black people there is poverty and crime more than average

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Nah. The German Shepard only exists because some guy saw a trained wold hybrid at a dog show and decided he wanted a wolf-like dog with a good temperament as a pet. So he cross-bred wolves until he got the mix he was looking for: A big, aggressive, intelligent dog, with a good temperament.

Are all Germans Shepards big? Are they all intelligent? Do they all have good temperaments? Individually, they may or may not live up to these traits. As an aggregate, they do.

>announcing that whites are smarter than blacks in your headline

Vox has already lost.

All the niggers that cem in my country to study at my college failed all their classes after the first year and were dropped out.Its a 100% failure rate and they dont even put them on the same level with the rest of the students.
They study in a special program made easier for dumb niggers and still fail.And these people only come here because their fammilies are rich and can afford to send them to Europe but not pay enough for a western college.
So they send them in eastern europe where they faill.These nighs were like the top 10% of their people in intelligenece and they could not keep up with sub 90iq romainians.
Truly subhuman i have seen the proof with my own eyes.

>Evolution affects all parts of living beings.
>Stops magically at brain.

This still doesn't fucking mean that all those proto-shepherds weren't subject to certain environment, even if said environment was engineered to achieve certain objective results

Black women are the most educated group in the US

Exactly op. They have such great natural rhythm, age better, have higher bone density, bigger dicks and are better at sports.


Anyone that thinks they are genetically less intelligent though? KYS nazi pig.

Aside from the infertile and often dangerously cold and constantly wet/frozen half of the year where food becomes scarce and a single mistake could starve an entire community.

>Cites Vox
>Mfw

>First, there's 0 evidence IQ is genetic
Learn to science

>culture and biology are totally seperate

>send a nigger to college
>wut u means I gosta rite a paypa in erryclass.
>Jewish professor: Go to the resource center and get one of the student tutors to help.
>white or Asian kid fixes niggers paper by telling him what is and isn't coherent and an argument.
>bix noods mufuga basketball history of slavery in native Americans a jazz story.
>Jewish professor claims nigger attempted to write and passes it on through.
>Joins the ape hoop squad commits rape at a party and gets slapped on the wrist.

College is a meme and niggers are naturally shaped to be incompetent or average at best.

>First, there's 0 evidence IQ is genetic.
Unless you are purposely retarded about the phrasing (and implying there's something like an “IQ gene”, or deny the correlation between IQ and the g factor), that's blatantly false.

nature.com/mp/journal/v16/n10/full/mp201185a.html

humanbiologicaldiversity.com/articles/Christainsen, Gregory B. "IQ and the wealth of nations- How much reverse causality?" Intelligence 41 (2013).pdf

jaymans.wordpress.com/jaymans-race-inheritance-and-iq-f-a-q-f-r-b/

mega DOT nu/ampp/murray_income_iq.pdf (replace the DOT with a .)

slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/features/2007/created_equal/liberalcreationism.html

Also, IQ isn't everything. There's also matters like time preference, impulse control, the Big 5, etc. which all affect life outcomes as well, and which are also all partly heritable.

this
our "gifted" programs in west virginia pretty much all use ravens to measure iq for entry requirements because most of us are still stuck using 50 year old textbooks that support creationism

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If your claims are true then all people would have evolved to the same point at the same time wich makes your claim false.

Africa would have been as strong as the rest of the world at the exact same time period if not even stronger due to their natural resources and the anglos wouldnt have ben able to go there like they did.

FIND ZE GENES

>r-race isnt real guys! Theres no scientific evidence IQ is determined by race.
See pic. Then kys.

>major differences in appearance and physical characteristics
>but mental characteristics simply must be identical despite the behavioral genes we already know about

I'm awaiting the moving goalpost of domesticating zebras is not humane.

LOOK AT YOUR SAUCE FAG!!!

Vox?

HAHAHahahahaha!

This and it isn't even funny. StarCraft got it perfectly, and I have no doubt that our ascendancy to the stars will be a dark, gritty mix of corporatism and military jingoism a la the Terrans or the RDA in Avatar, led by the white race, because our stat mix is just right to make it all unfold that way.

Asians/Indians are the Protoss: intelligent, diligent, and disciplined, but too wed to tradition and lacking in ambition to make it in the long run.

Meanwhile, I think we all know who the Zerg are...

The Bell Curve isn't 19. century faggot.