If you truly believe in what you say, you would be pushing for segregation based on IQ and not race. This is based on your own argument that with a high enough IQ it is possible to deny unwanted genetic traits. eg whites can deny altruism but blacks can't deny being impulsive.
Please prove me wrong.
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>Segregation based on race.
>Segregation based on IQ
mfw the results are the same
FPBP
Incorrect. If IQ is the defining factor then why would you rather live alongside a low IQ white than a high IQ black?
Because niggers smell terrible and are an eye-sore.
IQ is a small piece of the puzzle that is a people so you're "would you rather" scenario is too narrow in scope. I choose my own people everytime, no matter what.
How is IQ a small piece of the puzzle if that can determine whether genetic traits can be suppressed or not? Its's the main piece of the fucking puzzle.
Intelligence involves applying knowledge to a variety of different skill sets. One person may be considered low IQ but was only tested on at most a couple of metrics. But maintaining a society should involve more than these metrics.
E.g. genius musician, genius fighter, genius machinist, genius artist. How do these people fair in standard IQ tests, though they are able to far surpass most if not all in their field? I'd like to think the truth is it takes all types.
IQ is an important piece but not the only piece.
You seem to operating under the assumption that IQ is some sort of slider bar and the more you push it to the right the more similar and socially preferable behavior becomes.
Different ethnic groups behave differently regardless of IQ.
IQ is just used as a proof that the races are different, not as a justification for the ethnostate itself. You would know that if you really listened to race realists. Unless you're a low IQ muttblood brainlet of course.
>"some sort of slider bar..." it's a number dude...you are trying too hard. You don't need to set up a slider bar analogy.
we oppose multiculturalism period, high iq multiculturalism would arguably be just as bad if not outright catastrophic, the only saving grace of the current model is that brown tend to be dumb as bricks and white people more or less remain at the top of the food chain
So you don't mind living alongside low IQ whites that could harm your society as long as they are skilled in something else? why doesn't that argument stand for other races?
You are ignoring that high IQ dictates the other pieces of the puzzle.
If IQ isn't important then anyone can deny their genetic traits? we both know that isn't true, which is why IQ is important. The most important defining factor, more important than race.
People are ethnocentric. Ethnic conflict exists regardless of IQ.
>You are ignoring that high IQ dictates the other pieces of the puzzle.
No, it doesn't. All blacks support BLM bullshit, regardless of their IQ.
>brown tend to be dumb as bricks and white people more or less remain at the top of the food chain.
You mean low IQ people are as dumb as bricks. why are you bringing race into it if IQ trumps racial traits?
Yea, after I posted that I thought something similar. My thinking at the time was if you're on Sup Forums you probably have more than a passing familiarity with computers and video games to know what slider bars are.
ethnic segregation is natural. what youre proposing isnt and would probably fail. I cant even imagine what kind of social engineering would be required to achieve it. on the other hand ethnicities self-segregate anyway, so why are we enforcing dumbass laws that make it illegal for them to self segregate.
also, if youve ever been in a group of high iq people youll realize many of them are autistic and unreliable. your idea is one dimensional and rigid, possibly you yourself are autistic.
I already live alongside low IQ whites. They are mostly harmless. The whole point of the ethnostate is to establish a place where whites won't have to deal with others from other races. That's all it is.
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Different cultures don’t merge well, IQ isn’t everything.
If we pull aid from developing nations, as well as keep our own people in our own nations, we can advance ourselves much further than we are already, through eugenics and other scientific advancements, which would come a lot sooner if we don’t have to worry about tending to the niggers of our nation. Developing nations such as Africa will benefit from this too, despite losing foreign aid. Maybe if we stop feeding them everything they’ll actually teach themselves how to fucking farm and make their own food.
These egg head shops of Richard spencer never caught on, proof the left can't meme to save their pathetic communist lives
High IQ individuals still have the potential to produce low IQ offspring. Race mixing produces a number of health issues too, apparently. There's also the fact that racially homogeneous societies are safer and have lower crime rates/high trust levels. This is not just due to IQ, even stupid people feel safer around others who look like them.
Too much ethnic differentiation is detrimental to patriotism and cultural identity. This has big effects on the general population and society, with a spike in authoritarian nationalistic movements.
Surely, I'd prefer a nigger acting as a white law-abiding citizen than a white acting as a nigger. The problem is the numbers.
Also there's a problem with your statement. Let's say we segregate based on IQ. Then, why don't niggers get segregated based on IQ in Africa?
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This is pretty clearly a larp
Not only that, but by claiming that they have payed shills that call people ‘Jew’ or ‘Race traitors’, all it’s doing is discrediting the people who already do so, so I really wouldn’t be surprised if this image was actually made by a shill intentionally to do that.
>ethnicities self-segregate anyway
So do people with higher IQ
>possibly you yourself are autistic
I am yes.
For the record im not suggesting segregation on IQ is desirable. I'm simply pointing out that ethno nationalists don't seem to be applying their logic all the way. It seems cowardly. At least own it. IQ segregation will solve their problems more then racial segregation
To those of you who are suggesting that IQ doesn't matter, doesn't that suggest that regardless of IQ its possible for anyone to deny their genetic traits if given the right environment?
Does IQ matter or not?
Societies benefit from both high and low IQ people, there will always be a place for both. What matters more is the average IQ if a nation, how many retards are there in comparison to smart people, and how smart and the retards in comparison to the smart people. The reason that races like niggers cause problems is less to do with low intelligence and more to do with the fact that they can’t integrate with their host nation’s culture. This is also true for other races, but to a lesser degree. It would be of substantial benefit to all races if they don’t mix together. In fact, it would actually cause a rise in high IQ individuals within developing nations, as with a loss of foreign aid and intelligent people to assist locals, the smartest locals will fill the now free niches, which will allow their own people to learn things like farming, and sustaining their nation. This will also cause high IQ people in these nations to raise to power, which will likely lead to a higher rate of breeding within them, and cause for higher IQ to be spread through the nations people within a few generations.
>If you truly believe in what you say, you would be pushing for segregation based on IQ and not race.
But it's not about IQ it's about a people, and you know that you disingenuous kike.
IQ doesn't dictate identity, ideology or personality, it controls intelligence.
Why would a black socialist BLM activist with an IQ of 100 get along with an average white person simply because of IQ? It simply means that they would have similar competency at solving mathematical equations.
Won't stop them from spamming them over and over
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We dont care aboutiq to much and if it was that way affrica whold be starving without the few high iq's and we dont want people being completly dumb an dstarving
Because someone still needs to take out the garbage, build things, and other important societal functions and blacks don't work.
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IQ matters, but not absolutely and certainly not independently of other racial differences or the fact that all people everywhere are generally racist.
Is it possible for niggers to not act like niggers if given the right environment? Yes, and that environment is one without other races. It's happening in Africa right now. Sure these countries aren't great compared to white or asian ones, but there's plenty of black people living decent lives there right now if you only compare internally. The problem comes when you put different people in the same country and expect them to live the same way.
How does it make an ethnostate argument bogus? And what are you going to do? Wait until after childhood to deport people?
newfags, IQ is jewish invention.
race mixing is disgusting and degenerate
white apartheid now
Personally I would suggest only letting high IQ immigrants into your country and then make sure they integrate properly and take on the values of that country. A strict policy like that might even tempt them to stay in their own country.
If the higher IQ individuals are fucking up their own country by immigrating then thats their choice.
>I'm simply pointing out that ethno nationalists don't seem to be applying their logic all the way. It seems cowardly.
In what way? That they believe an ethnically homogenous state will be better off than a ethnically diverse one? That it would increase average IQ in western nations is only part of the benefit, also things like increased social trust too
> At least own it. IQ segregation will solve their problems more then racial segregation
Based on what? Sounds like you’re just making things up
>To those of you who are suggesting that IQ doesn't matter, doesn't that suggest that regardless of IQ its possible for anyone to deny their genetic traits if given the right environment?
>Does IQ matter or not
It matters when we need to demonstrate reasons why races are different and why races or individuals attain differing levels of success. It has nothing to do with white nationalism though, we don't want an ethnostate because we think all white people are smarter than all nonwhites. We just want to believe in a future where our people exist, stop trying to take that away from us
Yea, I would agree with that as well. Realistically the number of high IQ people moving to the country would be so insignificantly small it wouldn’t pose much of a problem. As well you don’t even need to give them actual citizenship.
But a homogenous state based on values and intellect would be way more consistent then having it based on race.
Your end goal seems to fall short of the utopia that you are aiming for. Whereas basing it on IQ is closer to what you desire.
More consistent how? And why not seek the benefits of a homogenous ethnic state and shared values?
IQ is just a manifestation of biology that is a good predictor for success in modern society. There are many other such predictors and many other ways to evaluate a person. It's not even clear that a group of only high-IQ people together would be able to do everything society needs. When people talk of IQ in connection to race they mostly use it as statistical evidence of some characteristic. Lack of crime and a history of building civilization and art is another, but it doesn't have a neat number to be correlated.
Black children will revert to the mean
no thanks. i'm happy with my related countrymen. would take 100 retarded croats over 1 "smart" nigger or turk. sorry you're too cucked to say the same about your own people.
At the end of the day it's less about IQ and more about extended family. I live in a city that is approaching 40% east Asian with high IQ and it in no way feels like home and is very unpleasant. I don't dislike them but they are not my people.
Family, tribe, nation....rest of the world.
>itt. brainlets are scared that they will get gassed along with niggers.
I say we make a threshold at 120IQ. In a country like the US there would be like a total of 100 niggers left after the purge.
>Your end goal seems to fall short of the utopia that you are aiming for
We're not aiming for a utopia. We're just trying to not be genocided. Go preach your 'high IQ society' genocide theory in israel
>So you don't mind living alongside low IQ whites that could harm your society as long as they are skilled in something else? why doesn't that argument stand for other races?
There's less of them and they're far less violent than low IQ non-whites.
>If IQ isn't important then anyone can deny their genetic traits? we both know that isn't true, which is why IQ is important. The most important defining factor, more important than race.
False. In-group preference is the most important factor, not IQ or anything else.
> I'm simply pointing out that ethno nationalists don't seem to be applying their logic all the way. It seems cowardly
>we don't want to have non-whites in our ethnostate
>"Hurr, inconsistency!"
You might be retarded, ethno-nationalists don't want East Asians or Jews in their ethno state. IQ is not the defining factor at all. The IQ debate came into being mostly because of the reason that whites were being blamed for black failure.
Doesn't work at all. See: Jews. They are the most intelligent group but they never integrate properly. They maintain their in-group preference.
The people you'll want to kill for you will most likely be sub 120 IQ you retarded subhuman Pole. You can make a race fight another race, you can't make a small minority of people (like those who have upwards of 120 IQ) kill a big portion of their relatives for no reason other than pure autism.
To those of you who keep saying 'my people'..
Do you think the genetic urge for tribalism will magically disappear once you live in your ethnostate? Are you prepared for the next level of purging to follow?
Countries that are more ethnically homogenous have a much higher trust between people, whilst diverse countries and neighbourhoods have almost no trust between anyone.
I would much rather live in a high trust area.
You are getting deported whether you like it or not Muhammed
This.
It's more about homogeneity than it is about IQ. Diverse states always end it civil war
homogeneity of values and intellect is surely better then homogeneity of race?
are you suggesting you'd happily live alongside white muslims?
>To those of you who keep saying 'my people'..
you'll notice something on Sup Forums. who are most of us who talk about "my people"? we people who live in countries that are mostly uncucked. we have pockets of shitskins, but not anywhere as crazy as cucks like you. but look generally at Sup Forums, you'll see polacks, croats like myself, hungarians, bulgarians, etc talk about their people. we already have an idea of what it is to live in ethnostates, Ahmed. it's not like we have to think that hard about it.
but then there's western europe and UK and America, and i swear, it is always Americans and Britcucks that make serious arguments against ethnostates. i think even more so than Germans or Swedes do, since a lot of libshit posting from them comes off as trolling. but you cucks are always making sincere arguments like this.
it's OK to be English, mate.
IQ is only one argument for ethnic homogeneity. There are other cognitive and behavioural traits that favour an ethnostate over a mixed race or multiculturalism. I also want to protect our phenotype: blonde hair and blue eyes, tall figure, basically all of the Germanic appearance is beautiful and worth to be preserved.
And it's also a tribal matter. It's a matter of us and them.
When we allow our countries to be filled up with people that are not related to us then it's not our country anymore. Our country was given from generation to generation since thousands of years and now we give it away to children of foreign people? That's just wrong. Our country is what we inherited and what I want to give to my children and grandchildren as inheritance.
An ethnostate does not have to be 100% white. We consider Japan an ethnostate for example.
My point is that cognitive and behavioural traits can be suppressed with a high enough IQ. If this isn't true then surely an ethnostate conflicts with white peoples genetic desire to be atruistic?
genetic altruism is not uniquely white and there is a difference between the altruism that humanity has appeared to develop on a genetic level to increase chances of survival and the suicidal altruism of mass immigration, which is anti-survival
We have European Muslims (bosniaks), and they're OK. We have more in common with them than with Middle Eastern Christians.
And btw fuck all religions.
Are you suggesting genetic traits like altruism can be controlled to only apply to certain scenarios. Which leads me to think you also think that tribalism will suddenly disappear once we have an ethnostate? don't you think thats naive and an assumption on your part?
>If you truly believe in what you say, you would be pushing for segregation based on IQ and not race.
I don't think you understand our arguments. Black Americans, who average 25% European admixture, have an average IQ around 85 and sub-Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 65. Allowing outliers with high IQs from these groups would be disastrous. One reason is regression to the mean. The offspring of these individuals would, on average, have low IQs. Our utopia would be full of low IQs dummies within 1 generation. Another reason is that Blacks are genetically much more likely than Whites to react to situations spontaneously and violently.
That is an argument specifically for keeping Blacks out. As for East Asians, IQ and regression to the mean wouldn't be an issue but their very strong genetic predisposition toward collectivism is a deal breaker. All races seem to be genetically predisposed to favor collectivist forms of government. All races except Whites that is. Within the White race our tendency toward individualism seems to hold a slim majority of those Whites that would favor collectivism. Allowing other races, whether high IQ or not, would permanently shift that balance away from individualist political systems and toward 3rd world collectivist economic and social policies.
IQ is an important factor but it isn't the only factor. Race is not a social construct, Societies are racial constructs.
IQ nationalism is for retards and IQ is only a small part of the race question.
no im suggesting that just because humans have developed to be altruistic towards one another that isn't the same thing as the altruism shown towards people in other nations
being altruistic to people in your immediate vicinity such as your family and the others in your tribe is not the same thing as making national proclamations to allow millions of those outside your tribe and race to immigrate and replace you
also I dont expect tribalism to "suddenly disappear" is/when there is an ethnostate, I don't see how you could come to that conclusion as i never mentioned it at all
ok but why are you assuming that altruism doesn't extent to a national level?
if you accept that tribalism won't stop in an ethnostate, are you prepared for the next step of segregation? for example IQ?
It's called nationalism.
What you're proposing is called globalism.
I don't like it. Checkmate.
IQ segregation already happens naturally in people's life choices and i don't know why you'd think that would change.. And tribalism on an intra-national level would provably decrease. Look at the putnam social cohesion study.
>One person may be considered low IQ but was only tested on at most a couple of metrics
Wrong.
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>I'd like to think
Evidently.
>My point is that cognitive and behavioural traits can be suppressed with a high enough IQ.
Can they? Is there any proof of this?
>If this isn't true then surely an ethnostate conflicts with white peoples genetic desire to be altruistic?
Why? I don't understand. Is the line of reasoning that an ethnostate is exclusive and therefore its inhabitants couldn't be altruistic to outsiders?
First of all, I don't argue that we should let our emotions and instincts run amok. Quite the opposite. High civilization is created by people who don't follow their immediate urges but have low time preference to do something greater for gains in the (far) future or even for their children (see Marshmallow experiment).
These things are only possible with certain cognitive predispositions. IQ e.g. is about the *potential* of a human being, it's not a complete determinant of somebody's life. Nurture is important for the development of a human being but it can only do so much. It can't exceed the potential that's given to someone at birth.
Besides, I think we should employ eugenic and genetic methods to create people that have a sufficient degree of empathy to their own but very little empathy to the out-group.
> I would suggest letting immigrants into your country
No.
>implying collectivism is bad
>shift that balance away from individualist political systems and toward 3rd world collectivist economic and social policies.
Japan and SK aren't 3rd world economies, are they?
They're the same. It's not just flip a coin, heads you get high IQ and tails you can't eat without drooling. Different peoples have different cognitive profiles, different temperaments, different preferences, different ethics, different intelligence, different time horizons. Not even for just IQ does your stupid bullshit hold as population averages in subfactor IQ are very different for different peoples in the different categories.
You're not talking about a coinflip. You're talking about 100 in a row.
We don’t want you not because you behaved “bad”, we don’t want you because you are NOT us and never will be.
It's because our shitskins have enough on their plate bastardizing our languages and don't have time to learn how to ruin English too. Guarantee you this sperg is some mystery meat bastard.
Sage
>altruism doesn't extent to a national level
but it does it doesn't extent to a state or country level, because a nation is not a country or a state
> Black Americans, who average 25% European admixture, have an average IQ around 85
Which, for reference, is equivalent to the average 12-year old.
>and sub-Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 65
Which is lower than the average 8-year old(70 adult IQ).
We can and we will exile those who have empathy towards our-group. Do you think fully blooded natives with nonwhite friends will get to stay? No lmao.. to Brazil they go.
We shouldn't be unnecessarily friendly, live together or mix with nonwhites, even if we were inferior. We are who we are. The main reason shit ideas like that don't fly is fucking basic biology. But I guess you "very own multiracial society never been tried", right?
The only way to keep it as natural as possible is radical exclusion. It's literally unnatural to care about those who are not of your own. Empathy towards those genetically dissimilar is literally a sign of genetically inferior individual good only for sterilization. Genetic altruism fails the evolutionary group strategy greatly.
Civic "nationalism" is multirculturalism. Culture is a racial ethno-linguistic product alone. That's about it. One way to deal with it: In Europe DNA based citizenship within the subracial group only; in USA - Balkanization. A multiracial society is just some bizarre perversion dreamt up in the minds of marxists with sad childhoods and literal rootless jews (not even a conspiracy, look up the ethnicities), biological organism following their biological perogative when inserted into it is not strange or surprising. You guys act like Brazil, USA, Russian Federation and South Africa don't exist. Population groups compete for resources; bringing a bunch of different subspecies of primate into one administrative region and saying "okay, you're a country now" doesn't change that.
>what are bull curves
You would be far more likely to live near a white person than a black one even if we selected purely based on IQ
>Civic "nationalism"
If liberals opposed race realism on the assumption that if it were true, of course we have to kill all the lesser IQ races. Then why doesn't that necessitate that we just start killing the lower IQ portion of the population to begin with?
We could be objectively the least intelligent race and the argument wouldn't change
Diversity + Proximity = Conflict you Asian faggot
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Because those are not Brits. Brit/pol/ and GB posters are 70% shitskin
>Germans
Krautpol regular posters consist of half Greek. quarter Italian, half Serb, terroni, two secular roaches, quadroon subhuman, half aremanian subhuman, full blooded armenian subhuman and ALL pretend to be German. There is barely 10-15 DE ethnic German posters.
>Swedes
It’s mostly Yugos, half caste sandniggers, kurds and mongrels with identity issues. Native Scandinavians already have their own social media network and one of the best nationalist and National Socialist organizations and training camps in the world. Worry not, in 15-20 years time they will be sterilizing retarded scum under nuclear-armed Stockholm.
Staying aware
Because his other traits are likely to be close to mine as well. It's like you liberals really wish the world was this one-dimensional as you suggest, no?
>If you truly believe in what you say, you would be pushing for segregation based on IQ and not race.
Actually yes but if you allow the smart members of a country to migrate to you, the rest will be alone. Each high IQ class has to take care of their own trash. So the High IQs would have to stay away too not because they are needed home
I love conehead spencer gets me every time
good post
I agree with basically everything, esp. this
>Empathy towards those genetically dissimilar is literally a sign of genetically inferior individual.
>Genetic altruism fails the evolutionary group strategy greatly.
Do you think that the conclusions Europeans came to about how society should be run is shared by East Asians or Ashkenazi Jews?
Not really. (East Asian minorities do not vote for European, conservative values)
IQ and "g" are important for baseline societies, but as evidenced by the differences in human achievement between Europeans(Britain, Germany, US, Italy) and everyone else, it's clear that there is something exceptional about certain homogenous European societies that fosters creativity.
Personally, I think it was the search for God and the Will to Truth. Other civilizations didn't have that as a motivating factor.
Black children of highest income bracket score the same on SAT as the poorest whites.
high IQ black? I met one in my life, an oncologist. But then again he told my parents not to worry about a lump on my leg that was fucking cancer.
because IQ is racial, asians are smarter than whitey who is smarter than sandniggers who is smarter than indians who is smarter than north africans who is smarter than native americans who is smarter than americoons who is smarter than africans who is smarter than abos who is smarter than san bushmen who is smarter than african pgymies who is smarter than homo erectus who is smarter than homo habilis who is smarter than australophithecus who is smarter than bonobo...........
low IQ white is still higher than high IQ black. literally segregating by IQ has exactly the same result as segregating by race.
>implying we won't get rid of white idiots and traitors. They'll be send to africa
Because it’s true. They may pretend than egalitarian dogma and multiracial harmony will be achieved, but in the end of the day here rules Darwin.
Wouldn’t even call asians particularly smart or smarter than Europeans, since slightly higher IQ alone is not enough when you can’t apply it proper. Note how vietnamese and chinese subhuman crawl IN DROVES to get into places like Poland, CZ and Russia.
Comparing aggregate IQ is pretty meaningless, it's made to assess the g factor within a population, not to compare them. You're better off just comparing the raw subtest IQ scores.
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Eugenics and proper stock is COMPLEX and that’s what so many shitskins, kikes and gooks can’t really get about upper European genetics being the best thing out there. And again, it doesn’t really matter - those genetics are best for us, even if we were an inferior genetic collective.
I mean an asian is an asian, not just a white+5.
Different cognitive profile, different temperaments. A 105 IQ white isn't chinese, he's a lot closer to other whites even in his IQ when you break it down to subtest results.
>Doesn't work at all. See: Jews.
myth, i assume you dont believe their tricks, why believe the IQ one?
almost every jew ive met has been a borderline retard, try and give them directions on a map or explain something its like talking to a woman. im sure they have super intelligent people among them, same as white and asians, i am yet to meet one.
as for ethnostate, why not have limitations on both? 98%+ white dna and 120+ IQ. leave the leftovers over the sea in muttland