Anime needs an evil nation state

>anime needs an evil nation state
>it always ends up being some twist of Nazi Germany
Why don't they ever do one on Imperial Japan?

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Because that would be tacit admission of war crimes.

Because imperial Japan was a good country that freed Asia from western colonial rule and Japan was the victim of WW2 which suffered from nuking twice.

This shit again

same reason why America doesn't do vietnam shows/movies.

shame of losing

>full metal jacket
>good morning, vietnam

never heard of em

imperial army dindu nuffin

These are not anime and Japan made tons of war crime movies in the past.

when America starts apologising for nuking innocent civilians we'll talk.

Because China and Korea would have been better under imperial Japan.

I haven't watched good morning, vietnam but Full Metal Jacket didn't exactly glorify our "successes" in Vietnam either

user, Imperial Japan was a perfectly innocent nation that liberated millions of Chinese and Koreans from their Chinese and Korean overlords.
Besides, Japan didn't really *lose* the war, they did perfectly fine up through 1942, and in 1945 the treacherous American war criminals dropped two nukes on them. Isn't it so sad?

So I guess Apocalypse Now and Platoon were French movies, then?

see Zipang, The Cockpit, and Hotaru no Haka

they are rare, but there. just not as villains

wow, this is ignorant. just start with Apocolypse Now and Platoon...please.

problem with USA Vietnam films is that they never show how well the US performed in Nam. it's always the Hippie conscript cannon fodder that they flooded the army with that cried in a foxhole or did low-level SnD missions, while veterans watched checkpoint charlie for the real threats against the USA.

if we had a movie/anime about the BlackHorse Cavalry Company or the 1st Ranger battalion, that shit would be gurren lagaan level manliness.

Japan would be dead if they weren't nuked. They were acting like retards.

Korea was once Japan. It's a shame they got independent from Japan.

>imperial japan
>bad
fuck off america

The Japs were warned, they didn't listen.

They want to sweep it under the rug.

Apocolypse Now, Rambo, Tropic Thunder

No excuse for treating civilians of 2 populated cities as guinea pigs for nukes.

>Why don't they portray themselves as villainous losers

I can't tell.

but they did apologize almost immediately and anyone reasonable in modern japan would be able to understand that the nukings were necessary to dismantle the imperial government that was ready to throw away everything before they would admit defeat

if it weren't for the nukings WWII would have potentially lasted another 2-4 years and ended in the obliteration of japan and significant casualties for the allies and surrounding asian countries

the writer would get assassinated by rabid right-wing otaku

Japan would have something retarded like North Japan, if America didn't nuke it because Russians planned to invadin Japan

>Skip to August 1945
>Forget everything in between when the American Marines, Air Force, Navy and Army were spanking the Japs into submission.
>All under the presumption that America would throw in the towel.
Now THAT'S sad.

Japan hates acknowledging weakness i.e. reality. Why do you think whenever there's a foreign/mixed student in anime, the father is always Japanese and the mother is foreign?

>innocent civilians
America warned those civilians weeks ahead of time and we were pretty soft about it too.
>tell japan we won't accept anything other than an unconditional surrender
>they send balloons filled with fleas infected with the plague to california
>okay we're serious this time, japan
>sinks one of our battlecruisers with kamikazes
>finally get around to nuking japan and fire bombing tokyo
>we din do nuffin!

Japan has always been the most defiant and obstinate country of the Axis, post-defeat. Rarely acknowledged any wrongdoing or apologized for war crimes. I wouldn't be surprised if they taught their children a very different version of WWII than what we learned.

But also this, kek

>understand that the nukings were necessary to dismantle the imperial government
There's no real excuse for deleting the amount of civilians like they did.
America was just testing their nuclear arms before the cold war.

youtube.com/watch?v=lBZsYceH4nM

They were given a chance to leave.

>losing
>US got a peace treaty and left Vietnam
>Years after the US withdrew from Vietnam it was taken by Communist
>US lost.

I don't understand. How do you lose when you no longer operate in an area and withdrawn soldier.

>Imperial Japan
>Evil

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Why would America go when they clearly won the war against the vile Military Regime whose supporters even now cry bitterly over their lost Empire and pull some logical flip over to cover up the fact their shitty Empire fucked up when they picked the fight with the wrong guys?

If Imperial Japan would have been better then the Burmese military government should rule your country.

Just as soon as the Japs start apologizing for massacring and performing live experiments on the Chinese and Koreans.

>ask why japan keeps using germany as evil empire fodder
>thread devolves into a war crimes thread

It wasn't a loss, but it was certainly a failure.

The germans that were recruited by the American after the war still do that, it's called Project Paperclip and it was declassified.

Classic Blunder, user.

Only it absolutely is.

The governing body is telling every last man, woman, and child to fight to the last or commit suicide rather than surrender because of some romanticized samurai treatise which ironically was itself based on an even older chinese military text. They needed a wake up call and the civilians were given warning of the bombings prior too but dismissed them.

1 city was a base and was producing weapons of war for Japan.

Doesn't help the fact what Japan did to American Philippines filled with civilians who got to be guinea pigs for war crimes.

1. Japan was given fair warning and had plenty of time to surrender. The US told them that they would be annihilated if they didn't agree to cease the war.

2. It wasn't just the US, the UK had to agree to all nuclear operations due to the Quebec Agreement.

3. It arguably wasn't that bad compared to the civilian casualties in Europe over the war, only 130000 deaths and a good 1/4th+ of those were soldiers. Way more would have died if we kept firebombing cities instead of giving a show of force.

There were indeed victims.

The Japanese Military Government was a victim of nothing but their own delusion when they thought they could take on the World's largest nation, the World's largest Empire and the World's largest Industrial Power and come out of in tact.

They reap what they sow.

>I will kill anybody who comes to this college tomorrow
>proceed to exercise muh Freedom(TM)
>he didndu nuffin, he warned them

because the outcome of what happened in vietnam was exactly what the us did not want: communist rule.

>implying

>freed asia from western colonial rule
>replaces it with japanese colonial rule
>im freeing them guys!!!!1!!!

Because G*rmans caused WW2 and many other terrible things. Isn't it obvious?

>russia declare war to japan
>take half of korea
>oh shit, better nuke them to make them surrender so they don't get raped by russians
>the part russians captured is still a commie shithole
The world didn't need a third Germany/Korea.

Right it should be more than 2 nukes.

Give back the Kurils.

They were just defending themselves from the Jew World Order.

>world's largest empire

I thought that was britain?

The Japanese Military Regime were a bunch of insane, deluded assholes who up until the end thought they could still wring a good deal out of America to the point the Soviets could help them.

Only if they fought long enough.

This was at a time when almost every Japanese city was flattened.

What they needed was Shock Therapy and the two nukes were enough. The only people they have to blame is the Military Regime.

Speaking of Vietnam War movies which was this again?
At the start of the film there was a French platoon in the jungle and they got ambushed by the VC. The part that pissed me off was they shot the French trumpet dude in the throat before he could finish his trumpeting. It was not too old maybe made in the last 10-20 years?

Tl;dr mad cause trumpet solo was abruptly silenced

Maybe the Japanese are taught a revisionist history where Germany peer-pressured them into the axis.

You Burgers and your false dichotomy are fucking retarded.
They were willing to sign a conditional surrender, but you wanted unconditional surrender and wanted to scare Russians.

He was talking about Britain in additon to the US and Russia.

Japan never had war with Korea. Korea was annexed with Japan without any conflict in 1910. Since then until the end of war, Korea was Japan and Korean men fought with allies as Japanese soldiers.

This, thanks to america, Japan have it a anime.

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that's We Were Soldiers I think

>What they needed was Shock Therapy and the two nukes were enough.
1 nuke on a unpopulated area would have sufficed.
Americans were just testing their nuclear arms with no remorse or humanity to scare the Russians.

We were Soldiers. Which was an attempt to make a 'America Wins' triumphant Vietnam Movie like saving Private Ryan.

>nukes
More than double the number of civilians were burnt to death in the firebombings before the nukes were dropped

Never ever forever. Kurills are a Russian clay on eternity.

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If we gave them conditional surrender or continued the war then Russia would have fucked everything up.

Rambo and Tropic Thunder a shit.
(tropic thunder is a comedy about making movies. on Nam', it's shit.)

better tier:
>Green Berets
>Hamburger Hill
>Apocalypse Now
>Full metal jacket


ok tier:
>The Green Berets (just old)
>We Were Soldiers
>Good Morning Vietnam (amazing comedy/drama, only ok nam' film)
>Platoon

shit tier:
>the anti-war heavies
>the action flick approach ones

How the fuck would Russia get to Japan when they had NO FUCKING NAVY to get to Japan and would have to go through the United States Navy who were circling the fuck out of the water?

They had no amphibious assault vesicles or training for amphibious warfare/fronts.

I'm sick of this fucking meme Imperial Japan only surrendered because of the Soviet Union was going to invade them. I will agree the Soviets raping the shit out of the Japanese Army in China and other parts of Asia did speed up the surrender of Japan, and played a big role, but Soviet Union posed no real threat for the mainland of Japan.

Yeah pretty much. But that's like killing a third of the philipines or bombarding civilians or grandma banging the pool boy.
Such things are not talked about.

google tells me roughly 100,000 died from fire bombing, about half of those that died from Hiroshima+Nagasaki combined.

Aviation and boats.

what were japan's terms of surrender anyway? this shit is pretty interesting.

quora.com/Did-the-Japanese-government-offer-to-surrender-before-an-atomic-bomb-was-dropped-on-them-in-WWII

We did indeed warn them with the Potsdam Declaration. In clear words, they would be defeated throughly and drown in hellfire.

By taking oil and starting a fight with a nation they knew at the start would spank them so badly in a long war.

Sounds like the most retarded defense I've ever heard.

If the Japs were given conditional surrender they would have tried to bargain for their Empire.

No, they had to know they had no options left and we would take everything from them.

That was the price of their aggression.

The regime had no remorse and kept fighting on as Tokyo burned.

An unpopulated area would not have scared them. They needed to see a city or two wiped out for these so-called victims to know what they were dealing with.

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The Russians had a colossal Paratrooper force that was never used against the Germans. They could have forced a landing on Japanese Soil.

Reminder that Agent Orange was also fucked up and America has no moral grounds whatsoever.

What about Deer Hunter?

derp, forgot to move GB proper. meh

Nah, if Japan surrendered conditionally Russians wouldn't have much wiggle room either.

>all these Amerifats defending 2 nukes

First nuke was acceptable. Second one was not. You guys are disgusting creatures.

Really really really big bombs user, Japan was already was firebombed on the barbecue level by USofA.

They had to build those after finishing the war in Europe, transport it from Europe to Asia, and still get pass the US forces who were going in for the kill on Japan and wouldn't let any other country have it.

>anime needs an evil nation state
>its never the USA

True America did some fucked up shit but the Japanese military regime had even less moral ground and stand but barely at the cliff.

The saddest thing is was after these retards chose to take on the wrong guy decades later people concoct some logical backflips to make them look good.

"T-they were just trying to free the world"

>We did indeed warn them with the Potsdam Declaration. In clear words, they would be defeated throughly and drown in hellfire.
Why won't you address my point instead of repeating it?

it's mostly about the aftereffects, so i left it out.

also.
the roulette game with the VC is so fake. VC never put guns into US hands....

they had much more interesting ways of dehumanizing the US prisoners.

lots.

Right there are must be a third and fourth nukes.

I'm not even Amerifat but the Japanese regime was insane, illogical and they would not stop.

Firebombing Tokyo to the ground would not make them throw in the towel so they wanted war and America had to use any arsenal in it's means to defeat them.

The nukes were coming for Japan from a long while away. The likes of every Jap apologist should just be glad Hirohito surrendered before there was a third.

We raped them so hard they fell in love

have they ever made an anime about imperial japan "freeing the world" then?

it's kinda weird how it seems to be absent from anime and manga completely. every war anime has a bunch of blonde haired white people in a gothic setting.

user Japan was already wrecked and damaged. America saved Japan from extinction.

>Apocalypse Now

Boring as fuck, and loses the plot halfway through. The much-vaunted Brando "horror" scene plays like a confused and dribbling old man rambling complete nonsense. Quite possibly the most overrated Nam film ever made.

>"T-they were just trying to free the world"

Nobody said that. Everyone knows the Japs were assholes, but still debating if the Americans were even bigger assholes.

They wanted a conditional surrender before the nukes though.

America gave the Soviets plenty of hand-me-down ships and amphibious equipment by lend-lease. That's what helped them take the Kurils which Japan remains butthurt about to this day.

>but still debating if the Americans were even bigger assholes.
Of course they are but no one will dare insult the jew banks that control the world though.

And death by nuclear fire is better than death by the inevitable disease, starvation, bullets, and conventional fire exactly how?

>modern japan

they love Blonde Americans and German WWII stuff. yup.

That was the one big raid on Tokyo. There were firebombing raids against many cities with larger ones such as Tokyo, Nagoya, Osaka, Kobe and Yokohama being hit on multiple occasions.

Nuclear fire is simply less damaging than communism.

It's kind of amazing how the US advocates for the return of the Kurils and Japan completely forgets the part where this happened. How is this country so fucking cunning? This is some Machiavellian shit right here.

Japs have a complex that they weren't as evil as the Nazis but got punished much worse. If they need to tap into pure evil, they always opt for Nazi Germany as inspiration over Imperial Japan because, to them, nothing Imperial Japan ever did came close to what the Nazis did.