Self-defense

So there was a recent case in my country in which a grocery store owner attacked a thief with a sword when the thief was discovered. The thief is still alive but will suffer permanent half-body paralysis and the owner is still charged with "murder". This sparked a debate about self-defense, the use of lethal and disproportional force against criminal.

How is the relevant law in your country? Is it a misconception that house owner in the US can use lethal force against trespasser or they really can just shoot them? How much force do you think should be used in self-defense?

In my opinion, it's hard for a victim of crime to determine how much force is necessary or how much in danger they are. Most people would likely use the most force they can in such situation and may result in death or injury of the criminal. I think the law should take more of that into account. In some cases, I think it's ridiculous that the one who commits a crime first receives lighter sentence than the victim who employs self-defense measure.

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>How is the relevant law in your country? Is it a misconception that house owner in the US can use lethal force against trespasser or they really can just shoot them?
Castle doctrine. My house is my castle. Invaders will be shot.
There have been multiple court cases in my state that prove castle doctrine is real and it is legal to shoot and kill intruders.

maybe you should join a club called the Vietnam Club for self defense and other wrong thinks against the govt nyguen?

Real fucking jelly
Here you can kill them if they confront you but if they flee you can't shoot them.

Maybe if you stuck with the South Vietnamese government instead of listening to the Jews then your country wouldnt be a third world shithole

You're fucked too if you kill an intruder here in Germanistan. You're told to watch them empty your house and then call the cops who will arive 10 minutes after the thieves are gone. The police will "investigate" and tell you 4 months later that they weren't successful but they tried their best :^).
Then the insurance jews rub their hand because they can increase their rstes or some shit.

>The thief is still alive but will suffer permanent half-body paralysis and the owner is still charged with "murder"

How the fuck he is charged with murder if the thief is alive? Anyway, being "charged" is the norm, if he practiced self defense, he'll acquinted of the charges.

Stand your ground and castle doctorin laws. I can kill you on my property if you are not welcome and do not leave immediately. Threaten me with a lethal weapon and I can open a few new holes in your chest.
I LOVE TEXAS.

>Jews

What? Henry Kissinger is the only Jews I know that was relevant to the war.

So any invader can be shot? What if the trespasser carry no weapon?

Sorry to hear that, it's fucked that law abiding citizens have to be afraid of criminals.

that's what anyone reading about the case in my country is questioning too, except people that believe the government can do no wrong, there are still quite a lot of those.

>So any invader can be shot? What if the trespasser carry no weapon?
Yes.
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In Norway, it has to be "proportional". It's very hard to judge self-defense cases. But all in all, as I understand, if YOU feel that your life is in grave danger, you wouldn't be prosecuted for killing someone.

my wife and I practice "night calls". basically once a month or so we swap our bedside glock for a toy gun and when one of us falls alseep we kind of bang on a random entry door and open it and we practice using our hand safe and response in that vital moment of being woken suddenly before the other reaches the bedroom. we don't ever want to be a victim

That is not how those laws work

Castle Doctrine and Stand your ground laws here. Hell we even have the right to shoot a home invader if they have exited the property and still are carrying my shit. I can literally gun down a thief if he is clear of my lawn and carrying my xbox.

Vietnamese people keep swords for self defense? What the fuck i love vietnam now

There's a bunch of people that got away with killing intruders here in Germany. The judge usually seems to agree that it would be retarded to not use everything that's available to you in the heat of the moment while battling it out with an intruder.

>How is the relevant law in your country?

Literally the same, which makes me rage.

Unless you have changed your name to Varg.

Well, we can't own gun, so anything sharp will do. Machete is a favorite here, it can be used for many things.

There's no self-defense in Portuguese law.

It varies by state, but most states let you kill anyone who breaks into your house. The obligation is on the state to prove that you weren't in fear of your life to a jury of your peers. It's nearly impossible to do and only happens when the jury is all niggers. If you live in a majority minority area you deserve whatever horrible fate awaits you.

Explain? So what do you do when someone invade your home?

I'm getting mixed signal here? Does the law varies by states?

We're allowed "appropriate force" to defend yourself.
Appropriate is determined by a judge who wasn't there understanding a situation he didn't witness from testament twisted by omission and lies...

Roughly translated, brace for being fucked...

If someone obviously assaults you or robs you, you should be allowed to kill him.

>children
Go ahead and shoot a kid bigboy
There is no reason for an exception because children can be as dangerous and steal the same stuff

However german law is cucked here...

I live in the state of Florida.
Here, we not only have castle doctrine, we also have stand your ground laws. And we're allowed to conceal carry.
Ever heard of the Trayvon Martin shooting?
That will give you an idea of our laws here.
Hell, few years back my neighbor shot some drunk kid who kicked his door down. Kid was so drunk he thought it was his house and when he couldn't unlock it he kicked it in. Neighbor blasted him with 00 buck. Kid almost died but neither the state nor a civil court could touch him.

We have something called "nodverge", like if you are defending your self or others and they have a direct threat to their(or your own) life, then you get off with it.

But if you ie just chop down a thief with a sword you get punished for it, you likely get less penalty though. So basically what you can do is beat him up, tie him down and wait for the police to come pick him up, but you can't kill him unleses he poses a direct threat to you , and by that I mean attack you with a weapon

Self defense is allowed by our laws, but you will always always have to go before a court. Like for example in a town near me, some scumbag (drug dealer I think) threatened a guy and the guy took the dealer's knife and killed him. He got off.
The state will always try to go after you for *something* because they are a bunch of criminal-loving pole smokers. The law also has a reasonableness clause which takes into account a bunch of things to determine how reasonable it was to use force under the circumstances.

Some cases have even happened where criminals broke into a gun owner's house and got shot.

>In my opinion, it's hard for a victim of crime to determine how much force is necessary or how much in danger they are. Most people would likely use the most force they can in such situation and may result in death or injury of the criminal.


This was the accepted moral standard of humanity everywhere for literally thousands of years before the 20th century introduced the concept of licensing your self-defensive perogative to organized police forces. Its basically natural law.

I'm assuming if someone breaks into a euros home they must spread their cheeks

Laws GREATLY vary by state.
Florida doesn't fuck around while in California you are jailed for killing or hurting people trying to hurt or kill you. Some states are cucked.

You're expected to run/call the police.

Appropriate force
Doesn't that involve one of those guns with "dial-a-strength " sights for the bullets?

if a mestizo kills a white person nothing happens
if a white person even remotely harms a mestizo he can go to jail

such is the judiciary system in a jewish controlled world, the wicked triumph and the decent are wrongly jailed

it is worse than this now, any "crime" that you commit to a criminal who enters your property is treated as if the two of you are on public property unless you are being directly attacked (you're going to need to take some damage to prove this)
hence there have been people who have waved knives at intruders and been cautioned or arrested for "criminal menacing" or something like that, myline klass being one

actually if someone breaks into your home and you expose themselves to them you will get arrested. you can not commit a "crime" to someone intruding onto your property, it is treated just like a crime committed in the street

>happens when the jury is all niggers
The dindu nuffin doctrine applies there instead?

That's real fucking bullshit.

In the heat of the moment you can't know how well the criminal is armed.
The criminal provoked or begun the conflict, the person performing self defense did not ask to be in that situation, the criminal did.

Lethal force should always be permitted when the person acts in self defense.

>What if the trespasser carry no weapon?
You can't always tell whether they do or not.

weapons can be very compact. Pic related is a gun.

For example, Self-defense laws and the right to posess deadly weapons are both weak where i live, but at the same the minimum standards of liability for homicide are higher than many other places with strong castle doctrine.

So, if you intentionally inflict bodily harm using deadly force against somebody regardless of what they have done to provoke you its very hard to avoid manslaughter charges; however, if you just kill a fool by taking some action that proves fatal as a consequence of circumstances which the deceased had provoked themselves and you are presumed to have acted with benign intent then the cops wont even bother filing a report.


The result is more justifiable vehicular homicides of pedestrians than murders are recorded in my city per year.

In my country you can defend yourself with the same power you are being attacked.
Also, we have gun license (sports or hunting), but you can't use a gun for defense.
Even if you have a B license, handgun for security (politicians, ceo's, jewelers, judges...) and you shoot an unarmed intruder, you'll face jail like the son in law of the owner of Tous (jewel and fashion company).
Cops shoot the bad guys only if they shoot first, and shooting an unarmed criminal (or armed with a knife, a stick, etc.) means you are loosing your job and facing criminal charges.

Wearing the flag as an article of clothing and/or letting it touch the ground is highly disrespectful.

>In my country you can defend yourself with the same power you are being attacked.
that's a pretty crappy limiter, why is it not force necessary to cease the attack?

Yet they can break all the fingers off an unarmed female coed hands one by one? Is any kind of hand to hand combat permissable as the assailant and victim are equally 'unarmed'?

Pls do not try to tell me spanish cops dont occasionally pull klan-tier summary punishment-type shit that is at least on par with what the american police can do.

cuck law

If you kill some one with the intent to injure you’ll be charged with murder. (Or face manslaughter is you kill someone through foreseeable, unintentional neglect). But it’s up to the prosecution to prove intent, and the accoused can claim a whole variety of defences, including the right of self-defence.

That’s the whole point. It’s not up to police or politicians to decide. It’s up to an impartial and independant court of law, based on the rule of law.

There was a case a while back in my country, mans house was being raided by police who didn't properly identify themselves. One was shot and killed. They even gave him his cop killer back.

In my state, I can shoot you just for walking onto my property. Not my problem you ignored the signs

I'm sure you've seen the pic of the stupid nigress whining about "you gotta look at it from his perspective" as she justifies why her nigger son or boyfriend or whoever it was broke into a guy's house late at night just to get executed. They unironically believe there's nothing wrong with it and you're the bad guy for defending yourself and your property. Niggers don't understand why someone else wouldn't like that, even though they'd react the same way if it happened to them.

>Castle doctrine

Trips checkout, castle doctrine best doctrine

Self-defence in Germany includes your property. You are allowed to use the mildest way to stop the unlawful attack on you without having to endanger yourself.
What the mildest way is decides a judge and that makes it pretty random wether you go to jail or not. Shooting burglars usually gets you jail-time, judges expect you to fire a warning shot or fire at the legs.

This. All this bullshit does is give criminals an advantage over their victims. Don't be too rough on the guy trying to invade your home, don't hurt the guy trying to kill you too much, or you might go to jail. Better to just lose all your valuables and bleed to death while the cops take their time moseying on down to your place.

Criminals should be summarily executed. Save on court and prison costs, prevent recidivism- kill a cirminal today.

Who cares about age old customs. They make American flag underwear. You're fighting a losing battle.

Some years ago a guy here tried to break into a shop through the skylight . The retard fell through and was injured .He received no penalty but the shop owner had to pay a fine for his building being unsafe.

Lol you dun understand things

in texas you can kill people unlawfully on your property, you can also shoot people fleeing at night.

americablog.com/2013/06/ezekiel-gilbert-prostitute-acquitted-murder.html

The underwear isn't made out of an American flag you doofus.

fpbp fuck thieving niggers

Wow, I'm shocked but not surprised.
You in Massachusetts?
Here in FL we have a slogan, that "if you shoot them, you'd better kill them." And you're also not allowed to deliver the "coup de gras". If your attacker is incapacitated and is still alive, you can't finish them off. Do it, and your looking at murder charges. Also, we do have some reasonable use of force laws. If you dump the whole mag into them that's fine, but if you reload and keep shooting; now you're looking at use of excessive force.
The stand your ground laws are complicated. Hence, the whole Trayvon Martin debacle here.

I have an American flag beach towel. Looks like the flag. It's made out of "towel."

We all know America is an abomination, so just be happy that some of us are still relatively patriotic to a degenerate nation.

If the blade does not contravening the Geneva convention blade standards

break the NAP take a permanent nap

That aint gonna go well

that myline klass thing was complete bullshit, an attractive young woman alone at home with her baby and some fucker hops over the fence. God only knows what could have happened to her if she didn't show the shitstain the knife through the kitchen window

Remember to tell the cop these key words I WAS IN FEAR OF MY LIFE AND I THOUGHT I SAW A GUN IN HIS HAND

>How is the relevant law in your country?

if you are a middle class mediterranean white your best outcome is only being culturally enriched inside your anus

you either end at the hospital, die or end in jail paying a TON of money to the gibmedat's family

if it's good enough to get the cops off the hook it's good enough for you

My country is cucked on this part. We can't even punch a thief nowadays.

>tonight at 11, man accidentally shoots wife during home defense drills

Precisely