Hello Comrades. This general is for the discussion of Marxism-Leninism, the ideology of revolutionary socialism and communism.
Communism is the next stage of humanity following the capitalist stage and the socialist stage.
What exactly is communism according to Marxist-Leninists:
>Communism is a stage of society in which the productive infrastructure is socially owned, and goods are produced not in order to sell for profit, but in order to meet a social need. >Communism in it's full form is a stateless, classless society that follows the maxim "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need." >To achieve such a society Marxism-Leninism teaches us that we must replace the capitalist state, which is controlled by the capitalist class, by a socialist state, which is controlled by the working class. Then, a period of class struggle follows in which the capitalist class is liquidated by the working class. When the capitalist class has been completely vanquished, there will be only one class, the working class, and eventually the functions of the state will become indistinguishable from the functions of the society as a whole, and the state as such will 'wither away' as Marx said. marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/
No, it's not. Unsourced images made by Sup Forums don't count as evidence.
Oliver Morales
When the Communists on the street won't share their mobile phone devices to someone who doesn't have one or their money to their neighbors, Communists is failing even before passing.
Christian Jackson
Communism is a jewish and invention and is for niggers.
Caleb Diaz
Marxism and its kike overlords are responsible for most of the worlds problems at the moment
Leo Walker
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism aggording to gommies:
>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD >Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD >To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all
lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other
>Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
>Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple
are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
>Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.
>Sdage four Nod real gommunism. Move on to nexd goundry :DDDDDDD
Logan Davis
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Tyler Gomez
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Evan Barnes
wtf does that picture even mean you fucking nigger
Ryder Walker
nigger
Levi Green
fuck you nigger
Jaxson Walker
Sage. Spam thread. Go to lefty pol and change the pic. You are not Sup Forums
Justin Parker
Commie nigger.
Mason Scott
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Lincoln Roberts
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Jordan Long
Nigger jew
Grayson Davis
Did someone say... post hot guys?
Sebastian King
Communism is Jewish.
Brandon Hernandez
Take the RED pill Sup Forums
Sebastian Adams
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Christian Gonzalez
Communism rises
Angel Thomas
What incentive is there to work when its not required?
Mason King
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Alexander Mitchell
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Landon Ward
What you mean isn't required? Work under communism will be for direct use for society, not as a means in itself to be profited from. Work has so much more meaning and value under communism. Under capitalism, you are just another resource used to extract profit from.
Owen Bell
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Matthew Ward
N I G G E R
Ryder Sanchez
It's almost like immigration has something to do with decreasing wages.
And it's almost like the people pushing for immigration (which therefore impoverish the poor) are the same people who later on end up leading socialism.
>believing the cooked statistics And yet, everything points to the difference being at least tenfold.
Dylan Hill
communism doesn't work
Dylan Fisher
>And it's almost like the people pushing for immigration (which therefore impoverish the poor) are the same people who later on end up leading socialism. The people pushing for immigration are western neoliberal capitalist countries. The capitalist after all have the most to gain from importing cheap labor. The elite is replacing the natives and all the capitalist cocksuckers can do is fellate them even harder.
Jaxon Wright
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Wyatt Young
>Work has so much more meaning and value under communism. Yeah dude Work is like painting and poetry and sucking Tyrone cocks. It's so meaningful and diverse, that's why we don't have enough time to produce food in Communism.
>Under capitalism, you are just another resource used to extract profit from. By that statement, if you do not work, then you should be fine, seeing as you are not "being used".
If you want to understand the failures of communism, try to do it small scale. Go on a desert island with 3 people, 1 which is hardworking, two who are not. You'll quickly see what happens when the 2 others ask the 1 hardworking guy for his shit.
And lastly, I love this one: >Work under communism will be for direct use for society, not as a means in itself to be profited from. No, not for society. It would be for society if people in communism had power in society. This is untrue. They have no right to vote.
The only people in power in communism are the communist parties and their leaders, and the failure to recognize that is the reason why you people have failed at even producing what you call "real communism", ie, a place where everyone is equal. Because even in communist nations, you don't have equality. Only an absolute retard would believe Stalin, or any member of the Bolshevik party, to be the equal of the average Russian.
Parker Allen
>had to start by banning religion, speech >can't own a home >two of Russia's worst famines in just over a decade >60% GNP of USA at it's height >"we're competitive!" >launched laika in 1957 >even though they had to use Nazi tech too >US launches fruit flies in 47 and a monkey in 48 using German rockets
>government owns your means of production- you have no independence >the government is also your company and union, defeating the purpose of having a union in the first place
Lucas Ortiz
Interesting and true, but if you really believed what you said and followed through on it, you would not be communist.
You would be National Socialist, because these "capitalists that promote immigration" as you call them belong to one specific group of people. They are Jews.
Landon Myers
>Yeah dude Work is like painting and poetry and sucking Tyrone cocks. It's so meaningful and diverse, that's why we don't have enough time to produce food in Communism. Work under communism is done out of the necessities of society. Work under capitalism is done partially for needed labor, and partially for surplus labor. >If you want to understand the failures of communism, try to do it small scale. Go on a desert island with 3 people, 1 which is hardworking, two who are not. You'll quickly see what happens when the 2 others ask the 1 hardworking guy for his shit. Under communism all 3 people will work together. Under capitalism, one guy will give coconuts as payments for the other 2 people to work for him. They give the fruits of their labor to the capitalist and the capitalist sells the work done by one to the other. >The only people in power in communism are the communist parties and their leaders, and the failure to recognize that is the reason why you people have failed at even producing what you call "real communism", ie, a place where everyone is equal. Because even in communist nations, you don't have equality. Only an absolute retard would believe Stalin, or any member of the Bolshevik party, to be the equal of the average Russian. A dictatorship of the proletariat is needed. The working class must be armed. The workers will have a say in their work and in their society, as opposed to only the capitalist cocksuckers in capitalism. Power to the workers, power to the Soviets
Jonathan Ross
Laika was the first animal in orbit. The US didn't put an animal into orbit yet at the time.
Kevin Johnson
That guy's career ended.
Nathan Johnson
National Socialism is a complete red herring. Most of the capitalists in America during the 19th century were WASPs, not Jews. Nazis also empower the capitalists at expense of the workers. So much for being the system of the working class Volk.
>The first primate astronaut was Albert, a rhesus monkey, who on June 11, 1948, rode to over 63 km (39 mi) on a V-2 rocket.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animals_in_space >1947 first animals are fruit flies = USA >1948 first monkey is Albert = USA >1951 Soviets finally put some dogs up there
>muh Laika
Yes, I know the history books make a big deal of it, but going to space is a much bigger leap than staying in orbit. The only reason we didn't do it is because it's only a big deal to commieboos- hence why it's celebrated in the text books over everything else.
Camden Hughes
>Yes, I know the history books make a big deal of it, but going to space is a much bigger leap than staying in orbit. The only reason we didn't do it is because it's only a big deal to commieboos- hence why it's celebrated in the text books over everything else. What?
Andrew Brooks
>Most of
Cool, so we can play the "most of" game. Let's try it with proportions this time.
What ever enlightened commie will eventually undergo:
>look into The Venus Project >realize the flaws the communism >conclude that a resource based economy actually matched their beliefs and that communism was a corrupted version of a utopian society.
Ethan Sanders
So I take it you haven't been to college yet. Protip: Your English class is going to be a gender studies class. My professor literally put "cultural marxism" as a method that we were supposed to study a work.
Noah James
I'm a college student. I've never heard anything explicitly pro-Marxist, though I know someone whose readings referenced Marx.
Andrew Jones
debunk this ill wait, sage
Jeremiah Jones
>Work under communism is done out of the necessities of society. Work under capitalism is done partially for needed labor, and partially for surplus labor. No, work under capitalism is done so that you can earn money, pay for food, shelter and entertainment. >Under communism all 3 people will work together. Under capitalism, one guy will give coconuts as payments for the other 2 people to work for him. They give the fruits of their labor to the capitalist and the capitalist sells the work done by one to the other. You literally force these people to be poor at gunpoint, and then have the audacity to say that communism is about working together. >theguardian.com/world/2010/sep/09/fidel-castro-cuba-economic-model This is for you. Read it well.
>A dictatorship of the proletariat is needed. The working class must be armed. Says the nigger trying to repeal the 2nd amendment
> The workers will have a say in their work and in their society Why then do you remove their voting rights?
>Power to the workers, power to the Soviets Not under communism, no. Power to the party and the leader. No one else.
Robert Richardson
Stalin wasn't a jew most other were tho. If you want to redpill people stop spreading fake info just to further your point
Easton Rodriguez
My first history class was all about white guilt and noble savages the whole way through. Also white women caring for minorities is passively oppressive despite there not being many minorities til after the mid 1960's. My second history class was focused on "the worker's plight". Every essay was centered on it from beginning to end. Professor mentioned that WWilson nationalized industries like it was an exceptional period for the US to do that and trying to prove that it could be done again, but failed to mention the GDP(not GNP) dropped by -6.5% over that period. The GDP should never drop by the way. +2% is average but not great. +3-4% is where we want to be.
Hunter Jones
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Gavin Campbell
N I G G E R I G G E R
Carter Foster
Dear communists,
Please explain how marxism solves the problem of distributing resources without a price mechanism or a market.
Angel Johnson
>inb4 he runs off to leftypol screaming "pol cant have a real conversation, communism must truth because they meme it" Communism does not work because Hegelian dialectic does not fit observable reality. Reality is not a set of generalizations, there are particular things which do not fit into the generalizations, phenomena which does not fit into theoretical dualism. Marx did not live long enough to see this, he only lived long enough to see oppressive industrialism. And unfortunately he was an atheist, he did not see how the church elders were at the forefront of alleviating the troubles of the working man, most notably by leading the charge up the steps of Saint Petersburg palace. Oddly enough, Communism's real ideal lies in a familial ideal. Yet Communists hate the family. They hate it because it divides into hierarchies. >each according to his own That is literally justifying a hierarchy in a utilitarian sense. Why do they not see this? Communism fails because its fundamentals are ultimately flawed, and ironically diametrically opposed to communism's end state.
Carson Martinez
look up stalins 3 jewish wives wow 16 out of 200, really debunked man
Jaxon Williams
>Nazis also empower the capitalists at expense of the workers
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany >The German economy, like those of many other western nations, suffered the effects of the Great Depression with unemployment soaring around the Wall Street Crash of 1929.[1] When Adolf Hitler became Chancellor in 1933, he introduced policies aimed at improving the economy. The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky, and tariffs on imports. Wages increased by 10.9% in real terms during this period.[2] However, reduced foreign trade meant rationing in consumer goods like poultry, fruit, and clothing for many Germans.[3] >>>>>The changes included privatization of state industries, autarky, and tariffs on imports. Wages increased by 10.9% in real terms during this period
Please tell me again how communism fights for the workers. Even with a massive embargo placed on Nazi Germany, it still succeeded economically. Meanwhile, your people literally starved.
Kevin Rodriguez
also nationality is not religion the fucking hell are you smoking
Isaiah Cooper
i know about that, still doesn't prove HE was jewish. And you didn't even put marx himself in there.
Ryder Kelly
The first history book on the USSR and it's economy speculates on it. It dated from the 70's, reprinted in the 80's, and was written by a former Soviet citizen. I'll try to remember the name and lookup a pdf
Brayden Sullivan
>Communism fails because its fundamentals are ultimately flawed There are already loads of examples of common property. Streets, parks and the linux operating system are the obvious ones. Expanding that category is a logical step.
Jordan Turner
Jews are an ethnoreligious group so both religious and non-religious jews count.
Brody Collins
>Gets his shitty memegraphic debunked >Ok now waste your time for me going over each person I randomly slopped onto this image Nazi economy was built around a war economy. The wellbeing of the capitalists was placed central to the wellbeing of the workers. >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor Kulaks >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Famine_deaths Maoism >en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921–22 Civil war >Meanwhile, your people literally starved. Soviet citizens were actually well fed outside of war. I've said this shit countless times before and don't feel like reiterating every point.
Luke Rogers
Communism will win.
James Green
>Expanding that category is a logical ste
Marx wanted to expand this category to ALL transportation and communication(not just the means to make them). Give your laptop to the nearest commune you hypocrite.
Joseph Sanders
>i win i win i win >i cant debunk it so i wont "waste my time"
Jackson Reyes
Sounds interesting. Im open minded so if there is proof then sure.
Landon Miller
When Marxist modes of production are implemented, everyone will be given a laptop freely. Why is it through accident of birth, a poor child is denied a laptop? As that morally right?
Adam Jenkins
>Sovijet citizens were well fed (citation needed)
Hunter Kelly
Nigger kike faggot
Henry Morales
>holodomor
The USSR was exporting food and stealing peoples land. The Russian empire had farming collectives called Obshchina and they were terribly unproductive, so they switched to a form of co op and individual empowerment program that was improving Russian agriculture before the Bolsheviks destroyed it all, stole the land, removed private incentives, removed personal ownership over their tools, and outright banned Russian culture through religion and expression. The ended up going to China and the Chinese at the time told them they were moving AWAY from Maoism and encouraging personal incentives.
>A black market emerged in Russia, despite the threat of martial law against profiteering. The rouble collapsed and barter increasingly replaced money as a medium of exchange[9] and, by 1921, heavy industry output had fallen to 20% of 1913 levels. 90% of wages were paid with goods rather than money. 70% of locomotives were in need of repair, and food requisitioning, combined with the effects of seven years of war and a severe drought, contributed to a famine that caused between 3 and 10 million deaths.[10] Coal production decreased from 27.5 million tons (1913) to 7 million tons (1920), while overall factory production also declined from 10,000 million roubles to 1,000 million roubles. According to the noted historian David Christian, the grain harvest was also slashed from 80.1 million tons (1913) to 46.5 million tons (1920).
What did the commies do after they won the civil war they started in order to steal people's stuff? They went to war again immediately after!
white your at it, debunk this FULLY too since its so easy
Parker Bennett
>Nazi economy was built around war economy
No sweetie, they weren't fully mobilized until 1944 and that began in 1942. They avoided full mobilization so their citizens could have cars, which the US actually stopped producing earlier.
Brandon Smith
You are a nigger.
Isaac Thompson
>As that morally right? Yes. You're literally owed nothing. We have welfare and disability programs as a safety net for those who can't help themselves. You can help yourself right? Hold a job I mean?
In communism, the law says that you MUST hold a job if physically able. Do you hold a job right now?
Nathaniel Gonzalez
I do not have a job because I am resisting the exploitation of the bourgeoisie.
>We have welfare and disability programs as a safety net Yes,you also pay off the debts of banks who fail during financial crisis, so some people are owed something yes?
I was just reading an article on the earnings of the worlds top hedge fund managers, try $4billion (presumably annual although it doesn't seem to state, maybe just a good year)
It's wrong to say people succeed on their own merits, more accurate to say they succeed based on their own advantages.
Jonathan Foster
>I do not have a job
You could've stopped right there. You're not resisting anything except the "honor of every able-bodied citizen".
So how come you didn't bother to refute any arguments, at all, and instead whine about how every person isn't born with a laptop in their hands?
Charles Edwards
>a commie thinks banking is bad Jesus christ have you even red the communist manifesto
Thomas Davis
All your points are based on outmoded theories and means of production. I am looking to a society were everything is held in common. As you say, there are welfare nets already existing, all I want is to expand the net to everyone.
Brayden Walker
How do you feel about the fact that Communism is Jewish?
Lincoln Morgan
>Nazi economy was built around a war economy. Read the history of the company called Volkswagen.
Brody Ramirez
>All your points are based on outmoded theories and means of production
Were you even paying attention?
They're all based on history. It's already been proven that communism is based on outdated theories, when they replaced individual farming empowerment with collectives. Russia used to have collectives before and they didn't work. Then the Soviets took something that didn't work- and removed private incentive from it!
Just admit that communism is a religion. Your prophet told you that there would be heaven on Earth if you used his scheme, and it fell through. Over half a dozen times on a worldwide scale for about a century.
History is static-its a photograph of a moment in time, means of production are dynamic, they change. New tools are invented, new methods of organising production or agriculture, and these in turn create new relations of production.
The idea of moving to a system in which production is geared towards meeting social need instead of private profit horrifies you?
Oliver Morgan
Kek
Angel Lewis
>meeting social need instead of private profit horrifies you? Then explain why in litterly every one of theese "Socialist" countries there was always some rich fucker making proffit at some poor slaves expense. Also "real" communism will never exist and even Lenin realised this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy#cite_note-1
Angel Turner
How do you feel about the fact that Communism is Jewish?
Communism never has or will work, "true" communism never can be attained because communism by its very structure is a broken system. Prove me right /cg/!
Nathaniel Thompson
Socialism in practice has ALWAYS been nationalist. See: Stalin, Gaddafi, Ho Chi Minh, even the Black Panthers.
Angel Lewis
>Socialism in practice has ALWAYS been nationalist. I didn't say nationalist...I said Jewish.
>See: Stalin, Anti-White Communist.
>Gaddafi, Anti-White
>Ho Chi Minh, Anti-White Communist
>even the Black Panthers. Anti-White.
Also, Bolshevism is Jewish as well.
Blake Allen
Is this all you guys have? Communism didnt work in Russia so its wrong?
Since your so interested in looking backwards, might I remind you that the soviet state was forced to fight wars from its inception in 1917 until 1945.
would a capitalist mode of government manage to survive that long and prosper?
David Nelson
History should've been enough to hammer out your theories. Every time communism is tried, it either destroys itself or resembles Marxism less and less. Obviously something is inherently wrong with it. Suggesting history is meaningless is... What do I even say to that? It's a religion, and your virtue signalling doesn't change anything. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Joshua Richardson
>Communism didnt work in Russia so its wrong? Communism is Jewish. Jews are inherently anti-White Therefore Communism is anti-White.
That's why it's wrong.
>Since your so interested in looking backwards, might I remind you that the soviet state was forced to fight wars from its inception in 1917 until 1945. Because Judeo Communism is evil and does nothing but destroy.
> would a capitalist mode of government manage to survive that long and prosper? Capitalism is just as Jewish as Communism.
Ryan Watson
Never trust Commies.
Josiah White
Where did it work? Mao killed tens of millions of more, mostly on accident. Then China had Deng Xiaoping and they switched out of trying communism and settling. They use the imagery for social cohesive purposes. Where else? Cuba? You'll say it's too small. Venezuela? You'll say it wasn't real communism. You'll back out of each example until you realize you have nothing left but your book of prophecies that never and will never come to pass.
>might I remind you that the soviet state was forced to fight wars from its inception in 1917 until 1945
Well let's see: >Communists start a bloody civil war, million die and the economy is shelved into the ground >Soviets immediately start a war with eastern Europe, they get canned and lose hundreds of thousands more >famine of 1921-22, 3m-5m die(conservatively) >commies throw up their hands and admit they can't do anything about the situation. NEP was the result around that time. >Stalin takes over >this entire time religion and expression were banned. Gulags filled up, jewsheviks administrators make up nearly all of camp admin. >Years go by with severe internal repression >Soviets declare war on Finland >fight three wars with Finland >then they declare war on Poland
Notice so far they've been the aggressor the vast majority of the time, except when western allies came to help the obvious defenders before their westward push? They were probably going to attack Germany also. Plenty of proof on that.
Joshua Gutierrez
That's not mentioning the holodomor either
Easton Collins
>"LMAO DUDE DAVID STANBERGINOV WAS ONLY BORN A JEW AND THEN CHANGED HIS RELIGION! GET A BRAIN MORAN!"
It's like you don't know what cryptokikes are. I know you're a commie so you don't understand how reality works, but even for you this is poor. I couldn't imagine being dropped on my head so many times that I thought commies were logical. It's like you just pretend everything you don't like doesn't exist and therefore, because only the good remains, you can apply it to real life situations instead of hypothetical ones. I'm really sorry that you can't handle reality and need to invent what reality should be according to your whims.
>Soviet citizens were actually well fed outside of war
You aren't going to post that line graph from plebbit again are you? Don't want to start BTFOing people too hard. What next, a graph of happiness with your c: drive as the source? Retard.
Christopher Barnes
>Communism killed millions And history is a lie agreed apon,so keep posting the lies.
Lets not forget unbridled capitalism has killed millions and is still killing millions.
