Anno is an unoriginal hack

These two are literally prototype Kaworu and Shinji.

Why is Anno such a hack?
He's only capable of writing the same characters over and over again. No originality.

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There's more originality in Eva than in a show that even rips off its title.

Eva rips off of Ideon and other 80s Mecha series

How is "Shinseiki Evangelion" a ripoff of "Densetsu no Kyoujin Ideon" or "Neon Genesis Evangelion" a ripoff of "Space Runaway Evangelion"?
"Choujikuu Seiki Orguss" would be more reasonable.

Wow it took you this long to realize Anno is a hack?

Because it's just following the same format all mecha series did back then.

And that still doesn't change the fact that Eva is just a retread of Gunbuster and Nadia. So that makes it even less original than those two.

>So that makes it even less original than those two.
They have the same amount of originality = 0.
Ideon and the like weren't innovative either. Even Mazinger Z went with established routes.

I thought Mazinger Z started everything

That's because you know nothing about it or what came before.

Then enlighten me, user-kun.
What did Go Nagai rip off of?

Dante and various authors of the 50s and 60s.

Ah, so no Anime works whatsoever. Just like I figured.

Go Nagai was more of a comic guy. Toei handled the classic anime based on his works.
Is it very original to make a cartoon version of a special effects series?

Everything was inspired by something else. There's nothing in this world that is truly 100% original.

However Nagai definitely set some sort of standard for many works to come.

He couldn't even set a standard for his own works.

And yet he was able to inspire a generation of Manga authors and Anime directors.

Just like Anno with Evangelion.

Not as much as Ishinomori or Yokoyama.
Not to mention Tezuka who personally worked on a lot of anime.

Anno is an unoriginal hack though

Everything was inspired by something else. There's nothing in this world that is truly 100% original.

However Anno definitely set some sort of standard for many works to come.

Sure Anno took elements from plenty of other works.
But the way he combined them and formed a new thing out of it was fucking amazing.

Go and watch Ideon TV and tell me it's better than Eva, I dare you.

No. See Nadia and Kare Kano for proof.
Maybe he's not original because both of these are loose adaptations but he's a good director.

I'm still not seeing many parallels between Ideon and Eva. Ideon and Macross would be a different story.

>people take thread written by fujoshi trying to justify her ship seriously

Maybe he's good at directing, but he can't write for shit.

>Sadamoto: We had talked a lot in the beginning about wanting a title like "Space Runaway Ideon (Legendary Giant God Ideon)", so I think I did push that. And to tell the truth, the story composition is also similar. For example, Nerv can be considered the same as the Solo Ship fighting a lonely battle against both humankind and the Buff Clan, and then there are the incomprehensible robots that can only communicate with children and tend to geo berserk, etc. It might not be an exaggeration to say that if you add "Ideon" and "Devilman" together and divide by two, you get "Evangelion".

Sumissu is nothing like Kaworu at all, what the fuck are you smoking?

I think if you replaced Ideon with Zambot 3 it would make more sense. That's Tomino's real masterpiece.

I haven't seen Eva in a while, but the whole dying in the same episode you're introduced didn't seem like a coincidence to me

Yeah, not like the masters Go Nagai or Tomino.

Anno admits to blatantly ripping off other Anime/Manga.

Nagai never did that.

Viewer gets faced with a lot of questions.
What is the Ide? Why did the 6th civilisation die out?
What are the angles? What's this Adam/Lilith shit etc.

Mecha have their own will and will act on their own to keep the pilot alive.

Ending has everybody "dying" and turning into a collective conciousness.

Some of the characters are really similar, though way more developed in Eva.

see pic related, before that she says she has a natural talent as a pilot
Or the crazy scientist women.

Show me where he describes his work as a "blatant ripoff"

That Interview he did with Nagai

That's common stuff you'll find in a lot of anime. You've got to ask if they even apply to Ideon or Eva.

I like shitposting about how shit Gunbuster & Eva are, but it's pretty clear his works are of a homage/parody level, not a ripoff.

I think the point is he's incapable of writing anything that isn't a blatant parody of something else

Why is that image of Hiromi scaled so badly? Even Paint doesn't have to be that way.

Give me the quote

I need to go find the interview, but here's one quote I had on me:
>Sadamoto: When the very first meeting was held before the title had even been decided, Anno had already provided the theme of "a battle between gods and humans". Both Anno and I -- our generation -- was influenced by Go Nagai, so making something on a grand scale meant it ended up like "Devilman".

Acknowledging influences is not the same thing as "blatantly ripping off."

Found it, give it a read:
forum.evageeks.org/post/401342/Translated-interview-between-Nagai-and-Anno/

Thanks, I will.

Anyone have the original? I don't trust translations.

Yes, here's the raw
yuki.la/m/13721063

>evafags flying in to defend anno
>this whole thread

Evafags are retarded and haven't watched more than 5 Anime that aired before 2000

Nah. What they have in common is the psychological stuff.

There's very little psychology in Eva or Ideon.

Whats the point of this thread?
Anno was the director, but he wasn't involved in writing the majority of the episodes. He didn't write the Smith episodes either.
Hiroyuki Yamaga did.

I appreciate the patented Sup Forums shitposting, but try a bit harder.

Anno doesn't write any episodes, but he always works with the scriptwriters and tells them what he wants to happen in each episode.

Many people would disagree.

Many people watched them under false pretenses and imagine things that aren't really there.

Do tell.

Come on, this must be the oldest bait on Sup Forums. Anyone biting should kill themselves.

Anno was always a hack, he's a talented animator but the root of the problem is that people reflect the environment they're in and he's an otaku. Likewise, he only retreads what he's already experienced. If you couldn't figure out that Eva is literally edgy Ultraman fan fiction you can leave.

Thank you.

Noriko's my role model.

Never overestimate Tomino-fags.

>Poor man's Shinji

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Are you fucking retarded?

Underrated waifu

That would be Tetsujin.

>There's nothing in this world that is truly 100% original.


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You just aren't used to episodic TV.

It's not bad to be derivative, what becomes problematic in my opinion is being derivative of derivatives.

>problematic
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That doesn't even make sense. If everything is derivative, then everything is also a derivative of a derivative.

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>These two are literally prototype Kaworu and Shinji.
>Why is Anno such a hack?

That is Noriko and the Smith character created in homage to TOREN SMITH who did a lot to popularize anime at BayCon in the greater san francisco area.

Toren Smith was no Shinji.

Noriko is Shinji

>no MANRY girls anymore
Why, Japan?

>RahXephon
It's literally copy-pasta Evangelion script.

Shinji is poor fag's Noriko

Let me expand, it's problematic to be derivative of something in the same realm. For example, Lupin the Third is obviously based off old french novels, it brings in something from outside of the realm of animation/comics and enhances the idea using the medium. Because of this it's an interesting cross-cultural product and part of it's novelty.

Anno is an otaku who makes otaku entertainment primarily based off of otaku entertainment. He is lucky that there are enough young or inexperienced weebs and otaku who buy into his regurgitated style. What I find problematic about it is that it's primarily masturbatory. Fun, well animated, and damn good stuff, but masturbatory and derivative of the culture it comes from. Something that looks outside of the space it exists in for inspiration has the potential to be more interesting not only to the people who exist in the space by showing them new exciting things but also has an opportunity to resonate with people unfamiliar with the culture it comes from by not alienating them.

The Star Wars prequels are a wonderful example of this problem actually. Lucas is a hack too, just like Anno. They should hang out sometime.

What's the matter friend? Did I trigger you? :^)

Character studies and thematic depth were also something from outside of the realm of animation/comics before NGE came around.

Not that I agree with that guy at all, but watch more anime.

I watched all the pre-90s shows that get mentioned often and none of those two aspects applies to any of them.

If you honestly believe that, in the nearly 40 years of anime before NGE, nothing ever had "thematic depth" or psychologically examined its characters then you've either not watched enough anime or you're fucked in the head.

Why do people say that EVA is the best anime ever made? Is it just blind fanboys?

Highest popularity to quality ratio. It's really good and a ton of people have watched it.

Newfags to Anime

Anno did NOT write Gunbuster, he at least didn't do the original treatment.

Anno has not been responsible for a successful original story outside of Eva, period. When you add to that the fact that the story of Eva is a fucking mess, then the fact is clear: Anno's strengths were never as a writer. He's a genius director, nobody should deny his greatness there, but he can't write for shit. The industry knows he can't write for shit, every original story he's come up with outside of Eva was a flop, and what's more, HE knows he can't write for shit which is why he's handed off story running responsibilities on Eva to others.

Mobile Suit Gundam did everything NGE did except better and far less annoying.

>implying
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THis has got you beat.

gainax and trigger as a whole have rehashed or ripped off ace o nerae so many times

Anime used to be simple before NGE. Vast majority of anime before very late 70s were kids shows and fist half of the 90s had nothing in it, so there is actually only about 10 years of anime that could have what I singled out. Then again, you could post examples and try to prove me wrong.

Yeah this is about the level of knowledge I expect from Sup Forums. Thank you for not disappointing me.

Horus, Prince of the Sun (1968)

It's laughable how retrofags can only make blank statements about how good their shows are but always fail to articulable actual arguments proving their quality.

Saw the wolf scene. Seemed pretty straight forward movie.

Horus is widely credited with the things you're attributing to Evangelion.

I'm not even talking about what's good and what isn't. I'm just telling you that you know jack shit about anime.

It's not like you exhibited any anime knowledge to justify your trash talking.

>prototype Kaworu and Shinji.
Nigger, it's more than that. Gunbuster is literally a ripoff Aim for the Ace.

Right but I also didn't say retarded crap that made me look like a jackass who doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't know why you're asking me to merch if you can't even yourself.

Who cares? Gunbuster is nice for the fun first episode that is an obvious parody, the old-school mecha designs and the cool ending, that's it.

I generalised a bit but nothing I said is that far form the truth as you make it out to be.

>Talk out your ass
>Get called out for talking out your ass
>Backpedal and downplay you talking out your ass

That's all I see here.

>You are wrong because I said so
That's all I see here.

You full on said that "character studies and thematic depth" didn't exist in animation and comics before 1995.