Hey, muriкans! Why do you get so much butthurt by UBI...

Hey, muriкans! Why do you get so much butthurt by UBI? Are you afraid that the USSR and communism at all will win on your own territory?

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>Russian
>Lecturing America on finances

Oh cmon. It's interesting to discuss things between USA and Russia directly. We have different mentality, but some things could be explained by just dialog. For example, you all really using credit cards more frequently than debit? In Russia credit card is pretty rare thing. Just like non-municipal schools/child doctors.

Welfare is toxic to your psychi and society. Ubi is mandatory welfare

Oh that guy. I used to like that guy before he started blatantly shilling everything. Glad to see him suffer.

sosat'

I'll bit honest. No troll. No shill.
You remove my need to work with UBI then I will stop working. I will just sit in some shitty apartment and get high until I die.

If we abolished the majority welfare programs I'd be for it, but a nigger's hand will always be open asking for more.

Communism is for poor people

Americans really so bad with any left economic things like free health care or education? I can always see aggressive negotiation to this things, and I get when I hear it from politicians, but it's interesting to see it from just civils. I thought even potato with market propaganda instead of brains will think that free X is cool.

are you a racist?

Communism is for people

sosat'

Are you a nigger?

The cursed bourgeois from Russia. How so?

The worst part is that poor people end up getting the biggest shaft. It's great for a few years but once you run out of other people's money you're fucked. By then the rich and middle class either find ways to get around the system or leave but the poor are completely fucked.

Don't know what's wrong with communism. I'm not communist, cause all commies are ussr-fags or related, but my idea is communism just discredit by USSR and gulag-for-politic-jokes politics, but at all lot of ideas are cool. United mankind, for example. Other one reason I'm not communist is feudal fragmentation we all are living right now, that making any discussions about ideology just waste of time.

No. I am racist too. I hate americans, blacks and white.

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A what?

UBI in America would devalue all currency worldwide. UBI only works in other, smaller economies because the United States DOESN'T HAVE IT. There are enough problems with tax fraud, child support, SSI, SSDI, and other forms of welfare. Rather than talk shit you should be grateful we don't destroy YOUR economy by instituting UBI.

The USSR and communism didn't win on its own territory so I wouldn't expect it to win anywhere else.

In any event, enforcing a universal basic income is a worthless gesture unless you also enforce universal price control.

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That but also it's fucking asinine. People are not entitled to physical goods.

Ur translator sucks.
Sosat' means something like "suck my dick", and hes last post saying "I'm saying suck my dick, what you can't understand?".
He is just stupid. Third world monkey in humans internet. Sometimes I feel sad I don't know English on decent level and looking like third world monkey too.

this commie triggered. next!

No actually, the use of credit is going down with each generation.
It is rare among mine.

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Because UBI is designed in an absolutely terrible way that everyone can see and is promoted for the sole purpose of making people opposed to more practical forms of welfare like negative income taxes, which have been tested with great success at the local level.

Also, when a billionaire tells me that I should get a monthly check from the government and that he should also get a monthly check from the government, like any normal person, my first thought is "Why the fuck should I give you money, richfag?"

Society, maybe.
On my psychi? No, it would be great if I should have to get up early and go to coal mines, and sweat there. I could watch anime whole days and occasionaly play video games.
Wait, I'm doin that already!

kek
what translator is that?

microsoft translator

Because UBI is a shitty communist idea. Literally universal welfare.

It is not free if you pay taxes dipshit

A ты пeтyх чтo ли? "Racist" is a term invented by communist jew Leibo Trotsky, do you unironically like that faggot?

Yes i am faggot. sosat' vsem!

>Thinking UBI is communism.

okay, there are other in this thread who are aware that UBI is a fucking CAPITALIST concept.

Hayek, the mother fucking father of Neo-capitalism, is the one who came witht he concept of unconditional income who later become UBI and it didn't change much from its original design.

How ma,y people here know that Marxists and Socialists initially hated the concept and are still very lukewarm about it. Why, because what communist want is for the workers to seize the means of productions, Be the owners of their own business.

UBI is the very opposite of that. It allow business to not be bound by any regulation when it come to hiring practice, with both the employees and the employer being the only one negotiate the hiring contract, with no interferences from any third party that shouldn't be involved in the negotiation. The UBI, basically allow the future employee to negotiate on equal footing without being under duress of precarity. If the conditions of work are not good enough the potential employee can simply turn off and not worry to be jobless.

Plus, everyone having UBI, whether or not they work, means that employers do not have to provide a "full pay", the salary will usually be a fraction of the need of living who will simply add itself to the UBI the worker already receive. This means that business will have much reduced hiring cost, allowing them to hire more people if it can improve their business.

So why do socialist hate this? Like I said, what they want is for the workers to seize and own the means of productions. What UBI will result in will be the opposite of it: reducing most workers to Temp-workers status, who can be fired at anytime as soon as they are deemed useless, without hurting the economy as the demand is maintained through the UBI. you are either a workers to be used as pleased with no more moral dilemma, or you become a business owner yourself.

>you are either a workers to be used as pleased with no more moral dilemma, or you become a business owner yourself.
This means the dreams of the Workers being in control of their means of production is forver dead with the UBI.

Hence why commies and socialists have been agaisnt it for a long time.

The incentive to work would not be "I have to work or it will throw my life into shit". It will be "I am doing a-okay, but I actually want to do be better because that new flat screen just came out and I can do that decent job that will allow me to have the extra cash for it".

interesting, but sosat' anyway

This would cause inflation of prices, and possibly deflation value on the dollar. Unless done correctly ubi is not a good idea.

Because it would cost trillions just to give every citizen 10 dollars once a year.

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How do you do it correctly so that it would work

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>Also, when a billionaire tells me that I should get a monthly check from the government and that he should also get a monthly check from the government, like any normal person, my first thought is "Why the fuck should I give you money, richfag?"
One of the biggest flaws of welfare is that it often is an incetive to bot find job, as it can result in now having to work and getting in the end less money than when you were jobless and didn't have to pay tax.

With the UBI, getting it unconditionally no matter what means that getting a job will be extra money, you will defacto obtain more that if you weren't working. It's an actual better incentive to work than the controls and checks that comes with welfare.

Super rich as fuck getting it too seems weird, but remember that in the end they will more than likely be the one providing the UBI to the other through taxes. All in all, it's a negative gain.

Then again, with the UBI, it also means that the customers of their business who use their UBI to buy stuff will basically give them their UBI for their product, but that 's money earned.

Fair point, there really isn't a way ubi would work, Europe is a rat on a spinning wheel thanks too ubi for refugees.

UBI basically sort of exists for necessary things already here through medicaid(free healthcare), and subsidized housing. Throwing in a small amount while cutting from the others would probably not be a bad thing and further stabilize prices of goods. It just can't be too high of a number or else you'll have another baby making epidemic like you have in the black areas where single mothers have more babies to get more money from the gov.

I have two news for you:
-We live in a post-scarcity world.
-Better way of living naturally result in a lower fertility rate.

Humans aren't wild rodent that rely on reproducing a lot to maintain their population.

What's sosat

America isn't a race you stupid fuck.

obviously hui

>t just can't be too high of a number or else you'll have another baby making epidemic like you have in the black areas where single mothers have more babies to get more money from the gov.
It's precisely because it would be High that it would remove the necessity of such process. They do this because a single kid doens't warrant enough welfare.

Furthermore, it can easily be cancelled by only starting to get UBI once you reach adulthood. MEaning less of your own UBI for yourself. if you have kids.

>hui
I don't know what's a hui either.

Is it the hui from aujoud'hui?

ahaha, this sweet butthurt of an american

>America isn't a race
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As a descendant of one of the survivors of the mass purge of citizens in your own country, wishing your type of government on anyone else can only be considered an act of genocide.

>wishing your type of government on anyone else
UBI is in complete contradiction with communism.
Communists hate UBI.

See >So why do socialist hate this? Like I said, what they want is for the workers to seize and own the means of productions. What UBI will result in will be the opposite of it: reducing most workers to Temp-workers status, who can be fired at anytime as soon as they are deemed useless, without hurting the economy as the demand is maintained through the UBI. you are either a workers to be used as pleased with no more moral dilemma, or you become a business owner yourself.
>This means the dreams of the Workers being in control of their means of production is forver dead with the UBI.
>Hence why commies and socialists have been agaisnt it for a long time

Comrade-- Tell Vladimir to keep Russian team out of the olympics, they are going to abuse you're team, call the athletes "stateless athlete/cheaters" or some shit, they will be humiliated in ways you don't know.

Part2-- Use the time period of the Olympics for the Russian army to do three things--- One-Re-take entire novorossia half of Ukraine. No need for more than two weeks to do that, 2- Nuke Camp Bondsteel in Kosovo, 3-- Tactical nuclear strikes on the all American/ISIS positions still in Syria.

Get it all done during the Olympics, then when the Olympica are over, have a list of accusations to the UN and declare Kiev and the USA as the aggressor in all the events,

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>legat'
Again,
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hui is a dick in russian stupid european

And what is sosat?

put dick in your mother mouse

What I don't understand about America is that your price of living has gone up, your price of healthcare has gone up and your price of college education has gone up. You cannot or will not see that you need to compensate for that?

You can't buy a house and support your young family on a starter salary anymore, like all the baby boomers who say "just pull up your boostraps" did, and you especially can't do that while trying to get a decent education so that you can have a chance of increasing that salary. Something has to give, but you actively refuse to do anything about it. You people won't increase your minimum wage, won't introduce UBI, and you are so deathly afraid of any thing that could be considered "socialist" even though pretty much every other first world country is some form of social democracy that works. You are just trapping people into a cycle of barely staving off poverty.

And I know most of you on this website or either young, or not well off/NEET (otherwise you wouldn't be here). So why do you want to make it harder for yourselves?

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sosat' hui = suck dick

FPBP Let us know when your economy is bigger than Peru, Ruskie fags.

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We like to buy things we can't afford to feel rich only to be stuck with crippling debt...

In an all white ethnostate I would be more than willing to consider UBI.

In 56% America, fuck no. The idea of me having to shell out my hard earned money so Shaniqua and Miguel can pop out more mongrelings?

In the words of Winston Churchill, "never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

Race isn't even the biggest problem, it's our 300+ million population. Everyone in Europe loves to talk shit about our lack of socialism but fail to see we have like 5 times the number of people as them

seeAlso, with UBI, your salary will be quite low as it would only additional to the UBI you already receive. It wouldn't really be your taxes that would cover it.

Most of the UBI would come from tax on the most successful business, but it would also be the only tax they would pay for.

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I use a credit card like a debit card, pay it off within a week and definitely within the grace period. Never charge more than what I have in the bank. Credit cards are convenient but not well understood. Have too many friends that have maxed out multiple cards without thought.

If you are serious about improving English, drop the "ur" and all text/l33t speak. It lowers people opinions of you now. Otherwise you're fine from what I've seen.

I do not have a mouse.

Hey, Belorussian bro, can people visit your country? Is it safe for foreign tourists?