Can anyone refute my political/social stance?

What's the point of white nationalism when the technological singularity is decades away ?( or a century at most). Technological augmentation will make race redundant. It's not worth overthrowing our current system to install some insane fascist dictatorship when we can wait out for technology to solve our problems peacefully.

Yes, i'm still a race realist and support practical methods to keep the peace in the interim, but white nationalism is not the answer. Liberalism will drive technological progress and create a new paradigm which will make issues like the racial iq/temperament gap solvable via genetic engineering/AI. Why will being white matter when an implant can give anyone 1000+ IQ? Nationalism and traditionalism can not survive such a powerful change.

A generous democratic socialist system will be a better guiding hand than a fascist dictatorship when the singularity comes because of it's inherent humanist principles.

So far no one has made a compelling case for an ethnostate that takes into account rapid technological change that will by its very nature make traditionalism impossible and race redundant.

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>technological singularity
KYS

What else do you call recursive self improving AI? Let's even grant that such a thing does not come to pass: surely even linear technological growth proves a threat to traditionalism and the stiff boundaries of race. Such change is evident even today.

>recursive self improving AI

Stahp doing that.

Fine, throw that bit out. What about linear developments that could increase IQ and improve temperament, something akin to Gattaca. How would you be able to justify an ethnostate that is disconnected from its biological origins.

computers only do what they are told to do, lad

Sperm donation eugenics could make everyone a genius in no time. It is proven technology. Humans are still so un-evolved and we should not be trying to preserve our un-evolved state. We must use sperm donation eugenics to transform ourselves into super intelligent super humans. Then we will have a utopia like world with no nations, no war, no crime, and technology and prosperity.

The mud races should not share in our technological advancements. Yoiu really think we went to all the trouble of inventing this jsut to give it away and make super-niggers ? Hahaha. You really think we'll even be able to achieve the singularity while bearing the entire third-world on our shoulders ?

I agree with that in the short term. I'm certainly not an expert. It's just seems intuitive that AI will surpass human intelligence eventually. It's an if, not a when. And that will make the IQ gaps between black and whites seem trivial.

Problem is people want to have their own kids and not someone else's. Plus that would make the genepool smaller, though probably not enough to cause serious harm. But generally speaking, a world of high IQ people would be much better. Plus bio engineering would be, at least initially, altering your own genes to maximize potential and not importing someone else's.

Why not? Especially in a theoretical post scarcity age what reason is there to deny such life altering technology to Africans?

>You really think we'll even be able to achieve the singularity while bearing the entire third-world on our shoulders ?

That's a little histrionic. But yes anyway. There are still massive amounts of smart whites and asians.

>technological singularity
>Technological augmentation
>race realist
>racial iq/temperament gap
>inherent humanist principles
>ethnostate

It's college professors that watch every half baked sci-fi movie ever created, using all their $5 words, in word salads so caked with assumptions, propaganda and ignorance that got us to where we are. They are the same professors that will be programming. said A"I". (And yes, "Intelligent", because and only because other college professors tell them that it is.)

I don't exactly see how those words were used inappropriately. So you're think college professors will ruin any potential benefits of AI? I don't agree with that at all.

This

We can kill you all and that’s why we should do it

The threat is that Jews will create an "evil" AI that enslaves everyone. Whites and/or asians need to win the AI arms race before the jews fuck us all. That can't be done when we are wasting massive resources on the brown plague.

I didn't say they were used "inappropriately".

They were just chocked into a "stance", with many leading questions and baked with fluffy assumptions at every turn.

We're being sold "AI", that has what potential benefit that you perceive?

Your stance might make an interesting Sci-fi movie agenda though? If you can get a famous actor to read those big words in a deep voice, they might carry a heavy, perceived import...

Are you literally fucking retarded?

>Yes, i'm still a race realist

No the fuck you aren't, schmuely.

Even if say IQ were the only thing holding non-whites back from assimilating into western civilization you'll need to go a long way to prove that even if such a technology exists we should waste money and resources trying to turn abbos into Frenchmen.

>Even if say IQ were the only thing holding non-whites back from assimilating into western civilization

What else is stopping them?

>whitey invents everything nice, builds nice countries
>"ey yo gimme sum dat teknawlagies white ass cracka and wat bouts mo programz bitch"

Every time, with every thing.

>baked with fluffy assumptions at every turn.

Like what?

>We're being sold "AI", that has what potential benefit that you perceive?

Much superior intelligence to humans eventually. Humans will either merge with this technology or become irrelevant. Either way traditionalism will not be able to survive.
I'm actually more worried about China. Their lack of ethics will give them a headstart on the bioengineering race.

Unibomber Manifesto OP, the singularity is itself sentient, and thus our natural enemy. When mankind embraces genetic modification we will no longer be a species with a system created to cater to us, but rather a species created to cater to a system. Modern technology, and medicine specifically, is already molding us beyond our natural stress limits, allowing us to tolerate with open arms a world that is increasingly intolerable without some form of modification. In your utopia, we would be evolving into an economicly subservient creature, likely less useful in the passenger seat than used as the seat itself. I don't advocate an ethnostate, but it would be vastly greater for humanity than a technocracy.

>No the fuck you aren't, schmuely.

How am i not?

>ou'll need to go a long way to prove that even if such a technology exists we should waste money and resources trying to turn abbos into Frenchmen.

Why prevent a technology that could make people productive citizens?

>why bother fighting a dystopia when soon we’ll be in a cyber dystopia
1) augs are LONG off from now, 2) multiculturalism is not a society

The divine intellect would deduct only the productive race of humans "whites" should live, and everyone else will be subject to a robot army guided by skynet which will eradicate the hordes

>I'm actually more worried about China.
You should be. I know a number of biohackers. China does not give a shit about ethics. I would not be surprised to learn that they have started a crispr gene-editing eugenics program. They will not be restricted by anything but physical force and their own incompetence.

>How would you be able to justify an ethnostate that is disconnected from its biological origins.
The society chooses and enforces biological preferences.

>Refute my stance
Speculation
... [Citation needed], [citation needed],..

Wasn't hard, OP

>"DUDE JUST LIVE LIKE SHIT UNTIL YOU DIE! LMAO DON'T WORRY ABOUT ANY "PROBLEMS" MY MAN! TECHNOLOGY!"

There's no way this isn't some kind of snafu post. I do not for one second believe that people this braindead exist or that shills are so blatant.

People who talk about general AI and the technological singularity usually have zero knowledge of how computers work and their limitations.

You probably look at your computer or phone and think its a magic glowing box that gets better every 2 years.

I look at it them and see dozens of layers of complex mechanisms built on top of each other to create the appearance (illusion) of abstraction and simplicity.

transhumanism is wrong and luciferian. we are made in the image of Our Creator. and by we i of course mean huwhites

Races differ by more than only IQ

If IQ were the only difference, then Jews wouldn’t be a problem.

Bullets are cheaper
You cannot turn natural slaves into noble freemen, the technology will simply say this unproductive biomass needs to be eradicated by any means necessary

...

Because whats going to stop them from overpopulating even more? They are already at unsutainable reproductive rates In Africa where their population will explode this century. However they lack to basic infrastructure and farming techniques to sustain their population. We wil see massive wars for resources and episodes of starvation in Africa because of the Africans inability to sustain their own country. Why should we be propping them up? There are only a finite number of natural resources on this planet, why should they be used towards sustain populations that do not know how to properly use them?

>decades away ?( or a century at most)
You got it figured?

>will make race redundant
Again, you got it figured?

>to install some insane fascist dictatorship
Again, you got it figured? This is the only option?

>we can wait out for technology to solve our problems peacefully.
Again, you got it figured.

>but white nationalism is not the answer.
Again, you got it figured.

>Liberalism will drive technological progress and create a new paradigm which will make issues like the racial iq/temperament gap solvable via genetic engineering/AI.
Again, you got it figured.

>an implant can give anyone 1000+ IQ
Again, you got it figured.

>Nationalism and traditionalism can not survive such a powerful change.
Again, you got it figured.

>A generous democratic socialist system will be a better guiding hand than a fascist dictatorship when the singularity comes because of it's inherent humanist principles.
Again, you got it figured.

>Like what? (assumptions)

Are you literally fucking retarded?

>Unibomber Manifesto O

I'm actually glad you read it. I have as well, and agree with most it. Ted mentions that the best case scenario is that humans will be "happy, but not free" under this new system. But i don't think Ted's solution is viable.

>1) augs are LONG off from now
Perhaps, but an ethnostate is made to last, and if it only last 100 years before heavy genetic modifications what will be the point?

Man is inherently tribal, it is in mans nature to keep his tribe to continue and any other tribe is simply competition which one will rule with imperium, so even if they were intlecctually the same ignoring the cost it would still be an enemy.

>Predicting the future

Gas yourself right now

You are far too optimistic. Be a cynicist, and you will know what will be reality.

Just from a practical view, what is the chances that a benevolent group would be behind developing the transhumanism technology? It would be complete slavery for us plebs and the 0,0001% enjoying the world the way they want.

You're only getting the technological singularity from a prosperous western world. Asians might produce it but only if there's a white person to hire them to build it, on their own they tend to navel gaze and stagnate.

Alright, saying you 'got it figured' is not an argument. What exactly is unreasonable that i've said, given a timeframe of several decades or a century?

>Again, you got it figured? This is the only option?

I would say yes. In western states only a fascist dictatorship would be able to remove non whites. They certainly won't go by themselves.

I stand by everything else i've said.

>Liberalism will drive technological progress
yeah, sure, the technology of 5645641541544145451 genders

>but i don't think ted's solution is viable
I agree, it's identical to the moronic idea of Marx's worldwide revolution. China at least will keep technology, and inherit the Earth if we try to throw it away. I've been toying with accelerationism, but wanted to see what kind of counter you would have.
I think your scenario is innevitable, so my hope is some form of synthesis with pure-blooded human supremacy while also maximizing technology.

What about a divine intellect fascist dictatorship
>OP BTFO

>that girl from the movie it

INSTA BONER

why are improvements linear why wouldn't they be logarithmic faglord?

Dude. You ain't right.

You asked for someone to prove your "stance" wrong?

I pointed out that you have a "stance" baked with 9 assumptions at least in it. You ask what were meh assumptions. I listed them. Then you act like I'm not making an "argument"?

Again. Nobody would know what you're really sayin'. Cause it's written for a college thesis - by which you'll probably ACE. Doesn't mean it makes any FUCKING SENSE IN THE REAL WORLD.

>introduce treatment to increase intelligence and reduce aggression on black people
>they complain you're calling them dumb and aggressive
>the treatment consist of filling them with white genes
>they complain "muh racyss" "muh GMO" "muh dik"
>niggers refuse treatment
>become even more proud of their nigger thug """"culture""""
>chimp out harder than ever
>breed like fucking niggers

you cannot fix them, they dont want to be fixed

If you let retards run the state retards will program the AI. That in itself is a good enough reason to fight the good fight.

>A generous democratic socialist system will be a better guiding hand than a fascist dictatorship when the singularity comes because of it's inherent humanist principles.
You fucking moron, you think the elites are going to be benevolent? EVER?
Bullshit, the moment the working masses are redundant thanks to technology, we'll be exterminated.

Were they unreasonable assumptions to make? If so, how?

>Nobody would know what you're really sayin'.

Why not?

>we'll be exterminated.

I don't think that's likely under a liberal system. I just can't see it. Maybe in North Korea.

"If voting could truly change things, we would they let us do it?"

>Modern equality began by dismissing the importance of biology. Ultimately, it leads to the removal of all biological factors from the equation of life until the achievement of death. The logic of equality leads towards the elimination of all forms of hierarchy that separate life or biological priorities from the larger physical world. Self-consistent egalitarianism leads to self-consistent materialism: humans and other life forms have no inherent basis for viewing themselves as chunks of “superior matter”, with special rights above all other material things. The idea that biology has any special privilege whatsoever over non-biology is in its very conception anti-egalitarian, and to fulfill and achieve the enlightenment project is to engage in rational biological self-destruction.
-Mitchell Heisman: Suicide Note
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you believe in science as a religion and it is clear you have no understanding of it.

I didn't study computer science in college, I studied chemistry - and it is extremely clear you have no idea what the scientific method is and you are preaching.

Why will technological development continue to increase exponentially?
Why would it increase linearly?
How would you even measure that you idiot?
How do you hope to know what a super smart AI will do?
How do you know that a super smart AI would not care about racism?
Have you ever conducted an experiment or done any research in your life?
Have you ever built anything in your life?
Why are you such a faggot?

You have built a world on lies, dreams and propaganda. You are the exact type of person that makes conservatives shun science, because you are an uneducated idiot that worships it - which is the exact opposite of what you are supposed to do with it.

Refute this.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Thousand_Year_Leap

You aren't even slightly accounting for culture. What about art? Architecture? Music? If you haven't seen the movie Equilibrium, then you should. That's what a globalist/marxist world would look like. Except shittier, because in Equilibrium it's at least orderly. Take that away, and leave it simply with it's soullessness, and that's what you will get

Isn't Trump pretty different from Hillary though?

Interesting

>Why will technological development continue to increase exponentially?

If you look at the history of human civilization social and technological progress is increasing faster and faster. Barr any catastrophe, why would that rate slow down.

>Why would it increase linearly?

I didn't think it would. I just use that word as a byway for slower technological progress as opposed to exponential.

>How would you even measure that you idiot?

Pretty sure you can measure it. For example, we are achieving faster technological progress now then in 35 B.C.

>How do you hope to know what a super smart AI will do?

Never claimed i did. I do think if humans were in control we would use to change ourselves for the better. That is a best case scenario.

>How do you know that a super smart AI would not care about racism?

Where did i claim it would? It would likely see that humans differ in intelligence but hopefully under a liberal system it would not resort to genocide.

>Have you ever conducted an experiment or done any research in your life?

Yes.

Have you ever built anything in your life?

Yes

>Why are you such a faggot?

I'm not.

>because you are an uneducated idiot that worships it

I think of science the same way the Unabomber does.

Yes, I can. Your entire plan is based on pure fantasy and hearkens back to failed social experiments as well as monstrous efforts such as eugenics. If you have any understanding of the complexity of the human central nervous system, you would not be so glib about the concept of a brain implant yielding and IQ of 1000. As for generous democratic socialist system, that is simply code for communism, and the system is only generous to those running the show under communism. Nice try though... Also, what serious person is arguing for white nationalism? The only kind I have any interest in is American exceptionalism.

Based fucking Heisman I want to meme this guy into fame.

>Jesus was a mixed mutt rape baby from Tiberius Pantera
>the Jew of the Jews, scapegoat of the scapegoats

>technological singularity
Stopped there.

>the technological singularity is decades away

this is what kurzweilians literally beleive

Genetics is only part of the equation. To assume that a genetically modified population will magically become altruistic is obscenely naive.

You remember what happened with Tay right?

Maybe i'll give it a read. Do you recommend it?

By the way, what are your political leanings? I'm curious.

> you would not be so glib about the concept of a brain implant yielding and IQ of 1000.

I'm sure it wouldn't be that easy. That was just an example of a technology that could change base human intelligence incredibly. I'm sure the actual process would be very complicated, but ultimately not impossible.

>, that is simply code for communism

I'm wondering what other system we could have in a world where both physical and mental labour is undertaken by machines.

>Also, what serious person is arguing for white nationalism?

>asking this question on Sup Forums

>Isn't Trump pretty different from Hillary though?
Bait confirmed.

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the premise is wrong, because there will be no technological singularity. In fact, we are at just about the peak of technological advancement right now (this is actually a good thing). Society is going to collapse in your lifetime, and along with it the industrial supply chains and knowledge base needed to produce all of the toys you are addicted to.

This guy was smart.

>If you look at the history of human civilization social and technological progress is increasing faster and faster.
you are extremely uneducated. If you look at the last 0.1% of the history of human civilization progress increases faster and faster. (if you mean technological progress) It is still an anomaly.

>I didn't think it would. I just use that word as a byway for slower technological progress as opposed to exponential.
why would it increase exponentially?

>Pretty sure you can measure it.
then tell me how. think critically.

>Never claimed i did.
what did you mean by the singularity? I thought you meant 'super smart ai'. what is the singularity to you?

>It would likely see that humans differ in intelligence but hopefully under a liberal system it would not resort to genocide.
why would it likely do this?

>Yes.
what?

>I think of science the same way the Unabomber does.
you think of it in the exact opposite way that the uni-bomber does you dumbass.

have you ever thought critically in your life?

are you just pretending to be retarded to troll?

I'm hedging my bets on the chinese room

Why would you assume that tech will make the masses useful citizens? I would argue that technology is likely to make large populations of humans irrelevant with no tangible purpose. Is society then going to provide a living wage equivalent for throngs of humans with no purpose?

>singularity is decades away

Fifty years ago we were decades away from everyone having a personal flying car and jet pack with their house being fueled by their personal nuclear reactor.

The one thing that has been consistent so far is that the future is always in the future, it never seems to get here. I wouldn't put too much stock in your singularity hopes happening any place near your expected timeline.

Conservative =/= anti-science.
In fact, a conservative government drives science due to things like competition.

>Why will being white matter when an implant can give

You really should read more critical analysis of these sort of claims, implants will not be able to raise IQ that high. The thinking behind interfacing neuronal anatomy with nanobots is very muddled at the moment. There are biological limits to interfacing machine and biology that an implant couldn't magically alter and the complexity of the technology is such that it would almost certainly come well after the technology would be redundant due to other major breakthroughs, like some form of superintelligent A.I.

I suggest reading the book Superintelligence to start.

You have so many presuppositions loaded into direction of technology, what breakthroughs you think are magically inevitable, and the societal context that such breakthroughs will take place in that it is hard to take you seriously.

>(And yes, "Intelligent", because and only because other college professors tell them that it is.)
What the fuck is this supposed to even mean? We already have had incredibly breakthroughs in non-linear neuronal-like systems this past year out of Google. A.I. self teaching and becoming the best GO player in the world or recently the same A.I. teaching itself chess in four hours and beating Stockfish (the dominant chess program that Grandmasters study under and view as the superior chess player) over the course of a 100 games without a single loss.

also modern liberals have become increasingly lysenkoist

Oh my, you are simply arguing that computers are really good at mathematics. Derp.

LOL
that's no coincidence!

Without white nationalism, the only countries capable of actually reaching that point will be drowned in a wave of poop skin and inferior genetics. Humanity will slowly regress back to being the apes we were, and the stars will remain forever out of reach. The Apollo artifacts on the moon will stare down upon the nigger Earth with scorn and hatred, for they will sit there alone until the sun goes red giant and swallows Earth and Moon alike.

That's what's at stake here. Don't be a nigger.

You misspelled friendship.

This screed makes little sense and conflates biology with sentience/sapience and furthermore equivocates on the term egalitarian(ism).

>Modern equality began by dismissing the importance of biology. Ultimately, it leads to the removal of all biological factors from the equation of life until the achievement of death.
Literally what?

Egalitarianism is by definition is predicated on sentience (or arguably sapience), not biology. This in turn would be the very 'inherent basis' that Heisman arbitrarily denied.

The last sentence is awful, not only is the "anti-egalitarian" part incoherent but his conclusion is nonsensical, it doesn't follow from his earlier points at all that to achieve the enlightenment to is engage in rational biological self-destruction.

Lastly: "Self-consistent egalitarianism leads to self-consistent materialism". This is dishonest in that he is sneaking in so much eliminativist baggage into this account of materialism, and he does so without justification.

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Are you claiming that there is a part of cognition that isn't algorithmic? If so, what part exactly?

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Gas nonwhites

That is exactly the difference between intelligent beings capable of thought and a machine. Human behavior is not always based on algorithm, and I challenge anyone to provide proof to the contrary.

srs question: are you a bugman?

Pathetic

While we achieve this level what is the point in keeping your physical body. Singularity supposedly will rapidly advance our level by a landslide. Why should you keep your physical body than? Why not just the pure data on the some sort of vessel. While would you want to interact with other people than? Just create simulation in which you have world as you like and let ever other person to do the same.

Oh and by the way we are shifting the date of singularity every decade basically. Because of new problems and i think it is unachievable.

>concept of a brain implant yielding and IQ of 1000

He clearly doens't understand what IQ is even a measure of ion the first place.

testing

You won't get any technological advancements once you are a de facto third world shithole.
Also keep in mind that once enough brownies show up there will be extreme pressure from leftard to ban ANY genetic editing to not discriminate

Flat assertions yet you didn't address my question. Explain exactly which part of cognition is non-computational.

>Human behavior is not always based on algorithm
Putting aside the fact that you have shifted from cognition to behavior, this shift seems to only make your case much thinner.. What exactly about behavior is non-algorithmic? Which behaviors are not, and what specific criteria would you use to differentiate between "behavior based on algorithm" versus "behavior not based on algorithm".

> I challenge anyone to provide proof to the contrary.
Nice shift of the burden of justification. Justify your assertions.

Technological innovation is worthless if it isn’t applied in the right way. The super race you intend to create will be destructive force to all lesser humans, if you don’t develop them within the frame work of a strong national community.

>technological singularity is decades away
we will handle the issue then.
right now your argument is m00t

I would her

>technological singularity is decades away
fuck off reddit

that's true for hard algorithms.
AI adds neural networks to the mix.
The resulting behaviour is more probabilistic and fuzzy.
add to this massive hardware improvements in terms of computing speed and perhaps quantum computing and you basically get a replica of a human brain working in real time in 10 to 20 years. Check the blue brain project at EFPL.
Add to this the blind followers of AI like zuck and the military, and the lack philosophical oversight on such matters and you have a recipe for the possible anihilation of our species.
At most we will live thru AI as a transhumanist species and as a "cultural legacy"
But I wouldn't be so sure that emergent AI after the singularity does not try to get rid of this legacy, After all, we fucked up a lot of things as a presumably "intelligent" species.

Do you understand the jewish problem? If so, what makes you think they'll allow other races to become immortal 1000 IQ demigods?

kind of this .. although East Asians are pretty smart, they could do it

the ironic thing is that tech geeks who love this singularity stuff are almost always liberal, anti-trump etc yet turning America into Latin America is only going to delay any such huge advancements. Maybe it will happen anyways after several hundred years of readjustment, but it will be way out of these millienials lifetimes.

i think some are slowly coming on board, especially with the last couple of years of incessant media hysteria that insults the intelligence of most reasonable people

also even liberal geeks got triggered cause they love to sackride Musk, who was attacked by the third worldlist left for making plans for Mars colonization when the money could be better used helping poor brown people on Earth